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Gambit => Gambit => Topic started by: DonPriceTag on May 03, 2016, 08:49:53 AM
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With the lack of new Gambit content lately I've found myself rereading Asmus/Mann (and company) and I have to say it stands up very well. I can remember why we were all so excited and entertained every month. It also reminds me why were so disappointed and even mad that it was ending. The stories were obviously written and drawn by fans of the character. Untainted by biased opinions of 90s scorned nerds and Rogue fanboys. Say what you may about the focus Gambit got over Rogue in the 90s, in terms of their relationship, she never actually suffered due to it, like Gambit did in the early 00s to even today.
Asmus handled Gambit with enthusiasm and gave him truly exciting stories even with a known leash of limitations set upon him. Yeah, like anything it wasn't perfect. While a lot of it can be contributed to push back he got from a lot of his ideas such as access to other X-Men and Marvel characters (as if their agents told him they were too busy). There was even rumors of him wanting to make Gambit bi-sexual, which would have done nothing but feed trolls of the character a feast of ammunition and to be honest, just doesn't fit the character. The fact that Gambit never really finished any of his "boss fights" was also another pet peeve. Then there's the ending in which we were assured by Asmus wasn't coming. Not to mention, the art while awesome when done by Mann, was lack luster when he couldn't meet deadlines and the book suffered from it IMO.
Strange ideas, inconsistencies in the art and shaky dismount aside, Asmus run on Gambit can easily be argued as the best with Fabien's run only topping it. Asmus had taken a character that had been abused for the better part of a decade and made him not just live, but be cool. If you haven't read it recently, give it another look.
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IA with a lot of what you stated. I do give more props to Asmus than Fabian because Gambit didn't become so morose in Asmus' run as he did in Fabians.
I think the first year of Fabian's run was really good, very action/thief oriented. The second year just wasn't that good.
The fun aspect of the character didn't really exist back then, he had moments but it wasn't a focus. I sort of wonder if that is something that transpired at Marvel, wanting to have punch lines or some comedic things in their story telling. Probably to offset the drama.
Re-reading is fun thing to do. :)
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As for me Asmus handled Remy as 8/10. He wasn`t able to write Remy as good as Bunn had written Magneto or Spurrier written Legion.
Also I think it took too long for Asmus to find Remy`s voice. I really liked issue #4 but I think issue #9 was the moment when Asmus found real Gambit voice.
I think both Fabian and Mackie handled Remy better. For me he was much more a complex character in their books.
Also I really doubt that Asmus could make as good work with Gambit in 4 issues as Mackie did.
I think the main problem with Asmus` Gambit for me is that his Remy had no mystery, secrets or darkness, I dunno. He was always missing something. Something that for me Mackie`s and Nicieza`s Gambit always had.
But I really like solo by Asmus and I hope that he will have a chance to write Gambit again. He creates unique action scenes.
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Nice analysis Purp! Like the examples you gave.
Tweeted Asmus and he answered
@JamesAsmus been rereading your #Gambit run, best treatment he's had in years IMO. Any chance you'll be writing him again?
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Thank you! And lobby the X-office! I'd love to do more with him in any capacity :) :smitten:
So anyone down to start a campaign? LOL
My question is, if by chance we did get as far, would any of you buy Uncanny Inhumans if Gambit became a regular or ongoing cast member?
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I literally sent an email to the X-Office saying that they could put Gambit anywhere and I (and many others) would buy it. I specifically mentioned Uncanny X-Men, New Avengers, and Uncanny Inhumans. I'm pretty sure some poor intern read it. Tweeting and sending emails to the editors is the way to go with this stuff.
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Don, glad it was interesting for you ;)
I do not want Gambit to join Inhuman books. I am not interested in their books and mythology and do want to start read it because Gambit is in it.
I afraid even to think about Gambit joining Extraodinary every time I remember Nightcrawler.
No place in Uncanny for Remy as long as Fanto is there.
All-new is about kids.
The only hope is some new books that might be announced later.
P.S. I will write my letter to X-Office right now.
Someone need to ask Ketchum on twitter. I don`t have it :)
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No place in Uncanny for Remy as long as Fanto is there.
Until the editors decide to retcon Fantomex into being a Gambit clone, his brother or his biological father.
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Until the editors decide to retcon Fantomex into being a Gambit clone, his brother or his biological father.
We need to delete this post so editors won`t be able to read this ;D
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Sent my tweet to Ketchum. No response yet but Asmus "liked" it. If anyone decides to join in make sure you tag Mr Asmus on it!
@jamesasmus
@danielketchum
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[email protected]
Here is email if someone would like to send a lovely letter for X office)
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The fact that Gambit never really finished any of his "boss fights" was also another pet peeve.
That was a big problem for me too.
There were no great fight for Gambit in last solo.
In Nicieza`s run Gambit had awesome fights with Daredevil and Blade. His agility was shown really good in this run. I am sure it was Skroce`s merit but it was great. If someone will be having a debate on forum about Gambit vs (put characters name here) fight he will be using scans mostly form Nicieza`s run.
Asmus had awesome action and unique scenes with jetpack and Gambit on the car or Gambit thrown from airplane but he wasn`t shown as awesome H2H fighter at all. Unfortunetely.
I think issues #8 and 14 were the weakest from the series. I would love fight vs monsters in issue 8 and fairy story in issue 14 to be changed for action packed Gambit vs dozen of ninjas fights:)
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I've not been keeping up to date with threads so managed to miss this and go on about it in the Gambit Watch thread. Sent my tweet too, might send an email as well if it helps. I'd totally ready Uncanny Inhumans if Gambit was in it. Asmus could write a retelling of Jack and the Beanstalk or something and I'd read it if he managed to get Gambit in there!
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I've not been keeping up to date with threads so managed to miss this and go on about it in the Gambit Watch thread. Sent my tweet too, might send an email as well if it helps. I'd totally ready Uncanny Inhumans if Gambit was in it. Asmus could write a retelling of Jack and the Beanstalk or something and I'd read it if he managed to get Gambit in there!
Well with Joanna (Frenzy) he has a genuine "in". Probably wouldnt be opposed to him hitting on Crystal, might be a little fun payback to Human Torch and Quicksilver. But I'd be cool with him there for sure even if he was just a recurring character and not part of the main cast.
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Someone at CBR brought up the idea of Cich being facsimile for Kingpin in Asmus' book. It intrigued me so I went straight to the source.
https://twitter.com/ThePrattLP/statu...31697885716480 (https://twitter.com/ThePrattLP/status/924431697885716480)
Question:@JamesAsmus old stuff: seeing as u originally wanted to use Black Cat in your #Gambit run, was Cich a stand in for King Pin?
Answer:No. From the jump, I was asked to make new characters. And I was happy to make a foe who wouldn't be taken away for other books. But i wanted to have the idea of him loaning villains money and repo-ing their stuff pull in more recognizable villains for short bits
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That's cool that Asmus is willing to still discuss his work on Gambit. I wonder now that some time has passed, if he's willing to really open up about where he wanted to take things and how he felt working on the book. Is he currently writing anything for Marvel? A Star Wars book maybe? I'm not sure.
Also interesting that he was asked to create new characters, seeing as how now the big rumor is that writers aren't allowed to do that for x-books.
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That's cool that Asmus is willing to still discuss his work on Gambit. I wonder now that some time has passed, if he's willing to really open up about where he wanted to take things and how he felt working on the book. Is he currently writing anything for Marvel? A Star Wars book maybe? I'm not sure.
Also interesting that he was asked to create new characters, seeing as how now the big rumor is that writers aren't allowed to do that for x-books.
The last thing he did was All New Inhumans. It had a good premise, but unfortunately was part of that "replace the X-Men with Inhumans"- thing Marvel said they weren't doing. So it didnt survive past IvX. If it was left to it's own devices or perhaps not part of that "Inhumans over X-Men" I think it would have been better, but it was so similar to X-Men it... kinda offended me? The art was good, the intrigue was awesome, but it was essentially X-Men without X-Men. For instance, the first book had Crystal and Gorgon leading a team of Nuhumans to find and rescue newly discovered Nuhumans around the world, in a super advanced jet. In this case from a mob of angry humans led up by an organized hate group out to rid the world of the "alien scum". Sound familiar? That upset me, but then at the end of that same issue Crystal and their spokesperson are trying to win favor with the UN. They are showing a group of them around Attilan when a renegade mutant randomly attacks out to get "revenge" for all mutant-kind. Turns out to be Frenzy. They subdue and capture her, leaving the UN reps in terror and in the debt of the Inhumans for saving their lives, now basically on their side in the case of "Mutant vs Inhuman" conflict. At the very end we find out it was all staged. Crystal used Frenzy to create sympathy for the Inhumans and drum up some good will so the world would recognize them as a sovereign nation (they were having issues crossing borders to go after the Nuhumans). Frenzy goes along with it after being promised that the Inhumans will work on a cure for the cloud. I hated the X-Men lite stuff but LOVED the political intrigue. I read up to issue 2 or 3, so I don't know how it ended.
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No way Marvel would ever allow Gambit to kill Kingpin in such badass style with charged bullet. So I glad Asmus created Cich. Also bigger vaillains gallery for Gambit is always good.
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Well Cich died because he was an original character. A character on the level of Kingpin would surely have been safe, possibly even coming out on top. If the story went on, from what I can gather Gambit would have eventually come into contact with Kingpin as he would undoubtedly been one of his marks but because he is the Kingpin, Gambit would end up pinched somehow. You just don't get over on Kingpin without losing something. He's the Kingpin. Asmus seemed to want Gambit to cross into psuedo villainy, at least con-crooks and crime bosses. Eventually he'd probably end crossing too many or the wrong big bad and have to get his "associates" involved (various X-Men, Deadpool, Spiderman Daredevil etc.).However probably half-way con them as well, so he gets his help he wants but keeps the profit. I would have been soooo in for that. If you take the last page of his solo, and how enthused Gambit was calling that meeting of the Cardinals, I think we would have gotten quite a ride.
But if you look closer, editorial wanting him to make original characters makes sense if you take into consideration on how limited he was creatively. It goes along with the idea of them not letting him use established characters. Which is why we got Joele and Cich to begin with and only got Rogue, Tombstone, War Machine and Wisdom as characters with speaking roles. Outside of the Rogue, all secondary or C-list characters that barely see the light of day (in the cases of Tombstone and Wisdom at least). Not to mention all those characters like the Leaper and Asp at "the Club with No Name". Thor, Cap and Wolverine only showing up in face was kind of distracting as they never uttered a word as if they would be paid by each. Wolverine staying silent made the least bit of sense, seeing his background and relationship with Gambit.
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Intrested if Asmus ever wanted to use Sinister in it. Still upset a little that we got issue with fairies but no Sinister in last solo.
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You think he would have been given permission to use a high-profile villain like Sinister? His highest level bad was Tombstone. I doubt he would have been able to use Sinister. But I don't think the tone needed for Sinister would have matched the book imo. If it had been given a chance to continue. Maybe. Perhaps Sinister could have been one of those villains he cons, in disguise of course.
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Sinister would bring some dark to the series what it really needed. It was too light at some moments.
I liked Tombstone in it. But still a bad moment that Gambit had no big fight with him wich was a huge must be at the end of arc.
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I agree. The story was a bit lite but hardly weak. What Asmus was describing didn't sound as soft as this run had been. Less introspective and more action oriented.
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I agree. The story was a bit lite but hardly weak. What Asmus was describing didn't sound as soft as this run had been. Less introspective and more action oriented.
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I liked maybe loved Asmus on his run -Mann for sure helped the run- but Asmus: tombstone? bro? c'mon bro :gambit:
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I thought it was a good run as well. And if that's what Asmus can do while handcuffed by editorial, I can only imagine what it would have been like had he been able to do whatever he wanted like Bendis usually does.
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Not ungrateful for Asmus or anything but if he would be able to do anything he wanted to do then Gambit would be bi.
So I think I am ok that he was handcuffed by editorial.
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Good point.
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Not ungrateful for Asmus or anything but if he would be able to do anything he wanted to do then Gambit would be bi.
So I think I am ok that he was handcuffed by editorial.
That's true. But there's a line between handcuffs and directing. There's a balance they just didn't achieve.
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Not ungrateful for Asmus or anything but if he would be able to do anything he wanted to do then Gambit would be bi.
So I think I am ok that he was handcuffed by editorial.
I actually would have liked to see that, if it was done right, that is.
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I actually would have liked to see that, if it was done right, that is.
Thing is, it probably wouldn't be done right, and probably shouldn't. It's too easy and opens the character up too easily for ridicule by trolls. Too much "I knew it", "he wears pink" etc. Doesn't help the LGBTQ community either by carrying on a stereotype.
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Thing is, it probably wouldn't be done right, and probably shouldn't. It's too easy and opens the character up too easily for ridicule by trolls. Too much "I knew it", "he wears pink" etc. Doesn't help the LGBTQ community either by carrying on a stereotype.
Respectfully disagree. Just because it opens ridicule from trolls doesn't mean it shouldn't be done. Trolls will be trolls - just ignore them. Also, are you saying Gambit being bi would be a stereotype? How so?
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IMO - done right is very important. And I don't think that is possible with only 20 pages dedicated to story telling. Certainly not in a "main" book as it were. The solo would be the only place and it would need more than one issue.
Iceman's coming out was done in FOUR pages. That is it, and horribly written, done between two books that were published months apart. That is two pages per book (it really was two per) and it wasn't even Iceman stating anything, it was forced by Jean Grey who didn't respect his privacy. (Privacy issues aside ... we're not even getting into the "joke - Iceman is gay" thread on CBR, that spurred a writer for the character change).
Iceman's own solo didn't even address his sexuality in any meaningful way. It just rolled on with his status quo and dealt with his "dating". Not sure where the book is now, I dropped it. I'll have to count on others to fill me in more on the book. Edit: the book does or did have the opportunity with his parents, whether dealt with or not. I don't know.
I'm uncertain what benefit the LGBT+ would get from a story of Gambit being bi, his reputation alone would contribute to a stereotype. Even as the hardcore fan can debate his rep, he still has it and may not lend itself in a positive way. IMO.
In the end, doing something for the sake of it, or to get publicity doesn't always benefit the group intended to be represented.
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Not saying a good story wouldn't be possible or done well or any of that - I suppose its my lack of faith in the writing abilities of those who work for Marvel or DC that makes me doubt.
edited to original quote
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IMO - done right is very important. And I don't think that is possible with only 20 pages dedicated to story telling. Certainly not in a "main" book as it were. The solo would be the only place and it would need more than one issue.
Iceman's coming out was done in FOUR pages. That is it, and horribly written, done between two books that were published months apart. That is two pages per book (it really was two per) and it wasn't even Iceman stating anything, it was forced by Jean Grey who didn't respect his privacy. (Privacy issues aside ... we're not even getting into the "joke - Iceman is gay" thread on CBR, that spurred a writer for the character change).
Iceman's own solo didn't even address his sexuality in any meaningful way. It just rolled on with his status quo and dealt with his "dating". Not sure where the book is now, I dropped it. I'll have to count on others to fill me in more on the book. Edit: the book does or did have the opportunity with his parents, whether dealt with or not. I don't know.
I'm uncertain what benefit the LGBT+ would get from a story of Gambit being bi, his reputation alone would contribute to a stereotype. Even as the hardcore fan can debate his rep, he still has it and may not lend itself in a positive way. IMO.
In the end, doing something for the sake of it, or to get publicity doesn't always benefit the group intended to be represented.
You make some really good points and obviously I have the unpopular opinion in this thread, so I'm not going to try and change anyone's opinion on this by debating further. This is just my take on it: I'm not trying to cry "Representation", but I often either see Bi characters either represented as villains (like Daken or Mystique) or "confused". Would I, someone who identifies as Bi, have liked to see Gambit, a (relatively) good guy who is also comfortable in his sexuality, portrayed as Bi? Yes, but only if it was A.) Done right and B.) not done as a publicity stunt (both of which has been said). In the end, that's just my take on it and it's a game of "what ifs" - we can't really know what would have happened. Either way, it's not something that makes or breaks the character for me.
Anyways, sorry for hijacking the thread. Not trying to turn this into a platform.
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You make some really good points and obviously I have the unpopular opinion in this thread, so I'm not going to try and change anyone's opinion on this by debating further. This is just my take on it: I'm not trying to cry "Representation", but I often either see Bi characters either represented as villains (like Daken or Mystique) or "confused". Would I, someone who identifies as Bi, have liked to see Gambit, a (relatively) good guy who is also comfortable in his sexuality, portrayed as Bi? Yes, but only if it was A.) Done right and B.) not done as a publicity stunt (both of which has been said). In the end, that's just my take on it and it's a game of "what ifs" - we can't really know what would have happened. Either way, it's not something that makes or breaks the character for me.
Anyways, sorry for hijacking the thread. Not trying to turn this into a platform.
You are fine. All opinions are just that, opinions. The fact we can discuss these topics is very good. My opinion is just that, an opinion.
I'm not trying to change opinion either. Recently I've seen a TV show handle gay and bi characters with more content and in positive light (heroic personas)- when I compare this show to how Iceman was handled, there is a difference.
You are right, there is nothing wrong with wanting a hero/anti-hero as a good representative. They should not be villains only.
We already agree; A) being done right, and B) not as a publicity stunt - is key.
It is a game of “what ifs”, and it doesn't make or break the character for me either.
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Since we've officially killed this thread.
While I wasn't bothered by Joelle, I think Gambit falling for her so quickly was not a good idea. I did like her character.
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Respectfully disagree. Just because it opens ridicule from trolls doesn't mean it shouldn't be done. Trolls will be trolls - just ignore them. Also, are you saying Gambit being bi would be a stereotype? How so?
Forgot I even posted here... No, Gambit is not the stereotype... that makes no sense. He's known for wearing lots of pink and lighter colors most would consider effeminate. If you recall his earlier days of him going out he's into fashion. It's just something haters have clung onto for ages. Makes him an easier target. To be honest, I'm not really into the idea but it actually makes more sense than Iceman from a characterization standpoint anyway. As for your opinion not being "popular"... who cares? Its your opinion and your entitled to it as long as it doesn't turn into an ugly wall of word... which hardly happens here lol. I don't think Gambit's sexuality is a "hot button" topic around here. Here are a couple; "Gambit has charm powers", "Gambit and Rogue are made for each other, and each other only". Those two things will start some ish. This? This is just discussion.
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Since we've officially killed this thread.
While I wasn't bothered by Joelle, I think Gambit falling for her so quickly was not a good idea. I did like her character.
I liked Joelle too. Very tragic character with a tragic background that I didn't see coming. I wonder... If Asmus had gotten the freedom and the book had gotten to move past 17 (as it should have been) and to use Black Cat, would Felicia have been his rebound? How I see it, Gambit was about to embrace his position as the head of the ITG. Which I think Asmus would have eventually had the cardinals attempt to bring a large chunk of high-level theft under one roof. Of course there would be hold outs, for instance Black Cat. Gambit, having history with her, I could see having the Cardinals back off of her and give him a chance to talk to her and bring her into the fold, or at least attempt to. I don't know... something about two anti-heroes probably coming to blows and then uh... something else, seems pretty hot.
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Forgot I even posted here... No, Gambit is not the stereotype... that makes no sense. He's known for wearing lots of pink and lighter colors most would consider effeminate. If you recall his earlier days of him going out he's into fashion. It's just something haters have clung onto for ages. Makes him an easier target. To be honest, I'm not really into the idea but it actually makes more sense than Iceman from a characterization standpoint anyway. As for your opinion not being "popular"... who cares? Its your opinion and your entitled to it as long as it doesn't turn into an ugly wall of word... which hardly happens here lol. I don't think Gambit's sexuality is a "hot button" topic around here. Here are a couple; "Gambit has charm powers", "Gambit and Rogue are made for each other, and each other only". Those two things will start some ish. This? This is just discussion.
Ah, I see what you're saying now. Thanks for clarifying!
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I liked Joelle too. Very tragic character with a tragic background that I didn't see coming. I wonder... If Asmus had gotten the freedom and the book had gotten to move past 17 (as it should have been) and to use Black Cat, would Felicia have been his rebound? How I see it, Gambit was about to embrace his position as the head of the ITG. Which I think Asmus would have eventually had the cardinals attempt to bring a large chunk of high-level theft under one roof. Of course there would be hold outs, for instance Black Cat. Gambit, having history with her, I could see having the Cardinals back off of her and give him a chance to talk to her and bring her into the fold, or at least attempt to. I don't know... something about two anti-heroes probably coming to blows and then uh... something else, seems pretty hot.
Missed opportunity via Marvel Editorial. I think Black Cat would have been great for the Gambit solo, in all aspects you've described. Great rebound character, good character to play off of, especially with the trying to "out do" each other aspect.
Asmus set villains well, other than expanding, based on his ideas BC and G would been fun.
I liked Joelle because she was a challenge for Gambit and Black Cat would have been that as well. :)
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I think editorial should listen to their creators. Even Fabian wanted Gambit to operate more outside of the X-Men, and it showed in his #24 issue series. Gambit was all over the place. Asmus seemed to be of a similar mind, whether it was impressed upon him or not. My wet dream for the evolution of Asmus' story was for Gambit to form an inner-circle of anti-heroes within the ITG, because there's no way he'd be able to trust the Cardinals. If Asmus was given the opportunity to pull freely from the Marvel Universe? He said he wanted Gambit to basically become a loan-shark for villains where he lends them money but then repo's their stuff. Because it'd be a book about him, we couldn't just say the Guild members are taking care of it off panel, Gambit would most likely head up the initiative himself forming a motley that would ultimately end up being title regulars; off the top of my head, I'd like to have seen Black Cat, Frenzy and Courier w/ Fence playing backup-. I think Gambit surrounding himself with femme-fatale types makes sense to me. Some might ask "why?" but I'd counter with "why not?" Gambit's not a teenager and I think he could see the upside in such a team. Idealy I'd love to see Pete Wisdom come aboard, possibly in bad standings with the intelligence community and out of work (Burn Notice style lol), somewhat forced to work with Gambit until he can get his life back together. I guess I'm thinking too much into it, but using characters like this that don't get much or any run elsewhere would lend a large of freedom for storytelling.
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As for your opinion not being "popular"... who cares? Its your opinion and your entitled to it as long as it doesn't turn into an ugly wall of word... which hardly happens here lol. I don't think Gambit's sexuality is a "hot button" topic around here. Here are a couple; "Gambit has charm powers", "Gambit and Rogue are made for each other, and each other only". Those two things will start some ish. This? This is just discussion.
I can't let it go, its too funny to me. I've composed a few times and told myself, no, let it go. Probably because of being "blindsided" - no red or blue anything!
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On a more serious note, remember that those here do not necessarily travel in all the same internet circles. And I'm not making fun of anyone or making light of anything, I'm teasing Don. Please take it for what it actual is .... ;)
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I can't let it go, its too funny to me. I've composed a few times and told myself, no, let it go. Probably because of being "blindsided" - no red or blue anything!
:2funny:
On a more serious note, remember that those here do not necessarily travel in all the same internet circles. And I'm not making fun of anyone or making light of anything, I'm teasing Don. Please take it for what it actual is .... ;)
Man, that caught me completely off-guard! ;D
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Man, that caught me completely off-guard! ;D
Not just you. ;D
Moving thread forward:
I think it was great they kept the book on time but I also think Mann's art was very good for the book. I think it did hurt a little from having several artists.
You don't realize how much art helps until you can't understand what is going on, and that is on the artist too. They've got to help tell the tale.
There have been many times when art has hurt more than helped and other times when art has helped more than the narrative. I think that is what is so unique about comic books.
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:2funny:
On a more serious note, remember that those here do not necessarily travel in all the same internet circles.
Thank god for that haha I like this place as an escape from the typical sites to discuss comics
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Thank god for that haha I like this place as an escape from the typical sites to discuss comics
Me too. :)
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I pulled out my old Gambit issues again and read through the first arc in a sitting. I respect and love Fabian's run, but I have to ask... Is Asmus/ Mann first arc of their Gambit run the definitive Gambit? I mean that book had everything a Gambit fan could ask for. He was sleek, resourceful, funny, competent, expertly drawn. If I had to submit an arc to someone to introduce them to Gambit I think these four issues would be the best example of the character.
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In terms of pure characterization then perhaps. I prefer FabNic and the later arc of Asmus run because I think both brought in more of the Gambit's lore and rogue's gallery. To me that is when Gambit feels like a fully realized character. When he has Fence, the Thieves Guild, Sinister, Scalphunter, Sabes, etc. to play off of.
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I actually feel the same way, Don. If someone asked me to either recommend the first arc of Fabian's Gambit or the first run of Asmus' Gambit, I would recommend the latter. ON TOP OF everything you've listed as to why, I would also like to add that the beginning of Fabian's run carries a lot of baggage with what had happened prior. Asmus picked up Gambit after he'd been relatively quiet in the books for a little while, which required less of the reader to really be aware of. And anything we did need to know, Asmus cleared it all up within the first two pages of issue #1.
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I will quantity this by saying Gambit #5 of FabNic run is one my all time favorite books.
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I pulled out my old Gambit issues again and read through the first arc in a sitting. I respect and love Fabian's run, but I have to ask... Is Asmus/ Mann first arc of their Gambit run the definitive Gambit? I mean that book had everything a Gambit fan could ask for. He was sleek, resourceful, funny, competent, expertly drawn. If I had to submit an arc to someone to introduce them to Gambit I think these four issues would be the best example of the character.
It was good but could be better. First arc by Asmus should have been 3 issues and not 4. Issue 3 did almost nothing and was just filler.
If I wanted to introduce someone to Gambit I would give Fabian`s first issues of Gambit. I think because of Skroce. Mann`s Gambit may be the best looking Gambit but Skroce really gave Gambit speed and agility and fighting skills.
Fabian/Skroce`s Gambit would kick the hell out from Amsus/Mann`s Gambit :gambit:
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It seems like less 'action' is a more common thing lately. Now it's all about the explosions.
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Yeah, seems hard to do slick action scenes. Back when I first started reading comics and tried to learn how to draw, the Marvel drawing books would advise 'don't show the hit, show the aftermath' and now it seems people want to show the face warping around the fist. To me that seems to slow down the feel of the actions but that could just be me.
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RIght right
Askings about a run as 'definitive' isn't... I dunno? what would it be called?