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Title: Disney Fox buy out?
Post by: Nekobaghira on November 10, 2017, 04:41:33 PM
https://www.cbr.com/rob-liefeld-fox-disney-buyout/?utm_source=CBR-TW&utm_medium=Social-Distribution&utm_campaign=CBR-TW&view=list (https://www.cbr.com/rob-liefeld-fox-disney-buyout/?utm_source=CBR-TW&utm_medium=Social-Distribution&utm_campaign=CBR-TW&view=list)

While I didn't know there were talks, if Disney buys Fox, it solves some issues ...
Title: Re: Disney Fox buy out?
Post by: bark_no_byte on November 10, 2017, 05:34:01 PM


it solves some issues ...


Which issues are you talking about?
Title: Re: Disney Fox buy out?
Post by: Nekobaghira on November 10, 2017, 05:54:32 PM

Which issues are you talking about?

Complicated to explain - I'm gonna try to boiler plate it down because walls of text stink. LOL

Marvel worked out an arrangement with Fox and Sony - they rented the licensing rights of Xmen to Fox, Spider-Man to Sony. The problem is length of time for these agreements.

Marvel was in a state of bankruptcy at the time of these arrangements. The movie licensing allowed Marvel to stay in business. As long as Fox and Sony made new movies on a regular basis, the contract is good.

Disney bought Marvel.

Marvel has their own movie studio (Marvel Studios) and is able to produce their properties with success. Guardians, Avengers, Thor, etc.

It is believed Marvel want their rights back of the Xmen and Spider-Man.

This has lead to the belief that Marvel is not promoting the Xmen properly because they don't want to support Fox. Marvel wants their licensing back but due to their agreement, they don't have access to the Xmen in the movie realm. Any character deemed in the Xmen world is off limits to Marvel Studios. Thus Marvel's supportive approach to properties like Inhumans, Avengers and all of their other stuff that they have complete control over in all forms.

If Disney buys Fox - the licensing for the Xmen will go back to Marvel as Fox would become a subsidiary of the Disney/Marvel brand.

There is a whole thread on the opinion of all of this at CBR. It's called "The Complex".

Edit: Anyone else have more details or if I've misstated something or what have you, please contribute. :)
Title: Re: Disney Fox buy out?
Post by: bark_no_byte on November 11, 2017, 12:00:48 AM
Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah, it'll be interesting to see what will happen. Can't help but think it it does go through we would see a big resurgence for the X-Men in cartoons, action figs, video games, etc
Title: another possible buyer
Post by: Nekobaghira on November 16, 2017, 07:17:01 PM
And the plot thickens .... Comcast is interested too.

https://www.newsarama.com/37409-fox-has-announcer-suitor-in-acquisition-buyout-report.html
Title: Re: Disney Fox buy out?
Post by: Nekobaghira on May 30, 2018, 12:29:37 PM
Comcast maybe trying to mess up this deal .....

https://www.cbr.com/disney-fox-cash-offer/?utm_content=buffer434f5&utm_medium=Social-Distribution&utm_source=CBR-TW&utm_campaign=CBR-TW
Title: Re: Disney Fox buy out?
Post by: bark_no_byte on May 30, 2018, 01:52:07 PM
Comcast maybe trying to mess up this deal .....

https://www.cbr.com/disney-fox-cash-offer/?utm_content=buffer434f5&utm_medium=Social-Distribution&utm_source=CBR-TW&utm_campaign=CBR-TW (https://www.cbr.com/disney-fox-cash-offer/?utm_content=buffer434f5&utm_medium=Social-Distribution&utm_source=CBR-TW&utm_campaign=CBR-TW)


"Trying" I think is the keyword. I don't foresee them being able to outbid Disney
Title: Re: Disney Fox buy out?
Post by: DonPriceTag on May 30, 2018, 01:57:40 PM
They don't have to outbid Disney, just give a qualifying offer. If Comcast does something like a cash offer over stock options (like what Disney is offering), it'd be grounds for the Federal Government to step in and kind of pressure Fox to take the Comcast offer or possibly be accused of colluding to create a monopoly within the industry. 50B half of it being cash can be seen as better than 60B with a third of which being stocks. These aren't official numbers, just something I'm using to make a point.
Title: Re: Disney Fox buy out?
Post by: anya on May 31, 2018, 10:30:59 AM
I would think Comcast would have bigger 'monopoly ' issues
Title: Re: Disney Fox buy out?
Post by: Rakkner on May 31, 2018, 02:10:06 PM
I think I might jump off my balcony if Comcast acquires the X-men
Title: Re: Disney Fox buy out?
Post by: Nekobaghira on May 31, 2018, 03:13:37 PM
Fox rejected Comcast last year due to antitrust issues not sure what changed with that ....
Maybe Comcast go rid of some properties to make themselves more viable? I dunno.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2018/05/30/fox-will-hold-shareholders-meeting-soon-to-determine-disney-sale
Title: Re: Disney Fox buy out?
Post by: Paradox Jast on June 01, 2018, 07:53:55 PM
Who knows if it could really happen in such a way, but it would be awesome if the shareholders in this situation were allowed to say 'Sure, sell to Comcast, but only if Disney gets all the Marvel properties back.' or something like that.
Title: Re: Disney Fox buy out?
Post by: Nox on June 09, 2018, 06:31:02 PM

CBR is speculating we may have news soon...

https://www.cbr.com/marvel-waiting-on-x-men-fantastic-four-phone-call-rights/ (https://www.cbr.com/marvel-waiting-on-x-men-fantastic-four-phone-call-rights/)



Title: Re: Disney Fox buy out?
Post by: Paneo01 on June 11, 2018, 03:29:29 PM
Hopefully this will be decided soon.
Title: Re: Disney Fox buy out?
Post by: Paneo01 on June 13, 2018, 04:21:07 PM
Comcast offered 65 billion..cash
Title: Re: Disney Fox buy out?
Post by: bark_no_byte on June 13, 2018, 04:30:00 PM
Comcast offered 65 billion..cash


Knew that was coming as soon as the merger was approved. Gonna be interesting to see what comes of this.
Title: Re: Disney Fox buy out?
Post by: purplevit on June 13, 2018, 05:23:05 PM
Comcast offered 65 billion..cash


Insane :o
Title: Re: Disney Fox buy out?
Post by: Nekobaghira on June 13, 2018, 05:36:40 PM
The cash is an alluring offer, Disney is offering cash and stock options. It will be interesting to see what Fox wants and what deal they think is the better one.
Title: Re: Disney Fox buy out?
Post by: anya on June 13, 2018, 07:44:43 PM
Honestly, the Disney stock is probably worth more than cash.
Title: Re: Disney Fox buy out?
Post by: bark_no_byte on June 14, 2018, 12:36:16 PM
There's a Wall Street analyst saying that the best option might be for Comcast and Disney to split up the assets: https://www.cbr.com/disney-comcast-split-fox-assets-theory/ (https://www.cbr.com/disney-comcast-split-fox-assets-theory/)


After reading some comments about this, it also seems an unlikely option. Sounds like both companies either want everything or nothing. This is all just speculation though
Title: Re: Disney Fox buy out?
Post by: Nox on June 15, 2018, 06:24:13 PM

Looks like Fox will be looking at Comcast's deal next week:

https://www.cbr.com/fox-meeting-next-week-comcast-bid/ (https://www.cbr.com/fox-meeting-next-week-comcast-bid/)
Title: Re: Disney Fox buy out?
Post by: bark_no_byte on June 20, 2018, 11:45:13 AM
Disney's new offer is $71.3 billion in stock and cash


https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/disney-boosts-fox-bid-713-billion-cash-stock-1120841
Title: Re: Disney Fox buy out?
Post by: Nox on June 20, 2018, 06:48:30 PM

Apparently, Fox accepted the deal...but it's not quite a done deal yet.


http://comicbook.com/movies/2018/06/20/fox-accepts-disney-increased-bid/ (http://comicbook.com/movies/2018/06/20/fox-accepts-disney-increased-bid/)


UPDATE: So now it looks like the anti-trust approval is imminent...my oh my, the X-men might be coming home to Disney/Marvel sooner than thought.
Title: Re: Disney Fox buy out?
Post by: bark_no_byte on June 27, 2018, 01:57:17 PM

Disney set to win antitrust approval for Fox today:


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-27/disney-is-said-set-to-win-antitrust-approval-for-fox-today-jix9wdna (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-27/disney-is-said-set-to-win-antitrust-approval-for-fox-today-jix9wdna)


Edit:


Looks like it got approved (minus some sports network stuff): https://deadline.com/2018/06/doj-approves-disneys-fox-bid-minus-regional-sports-networks-1202418165/
Title: Re: Disney Fox buy out?
Post by: Nekobaghira on June 27, 2018, 05:03:08 PM
I bet the news channel too. Since Disney owns ABC. Well, if it goes through, the Xmen Movie Franchise goes to Marvel Studios. That could be good considering some of the movies Marvel has released. Though, imo - not all of them were all that good. LOL
Title: Re: Disney Fox buy out?
Post by: bark_no_byte on June 27, 2018, 05:13:56 PM
I bet the news channel too. Since Disney owns ABC. Well, if it goes through, the Xmen Movie Franchise goes to Marvel Studios. That could be good considering some of the movies Marvel has released. Though, imo - not all of them were all that good. LOL


I definitely agree with you there (and even some of the good ones are a bit overrated imo). Although, I think they've got a better track record than Fox. It'll be interesting to see what this means for the Gambit movie
Title: Re: Disney Fox buy out?
Post by: Nekobaghira on June 27, 2018, 05:30:15 PM

I definitely agree with you there (and even some of the good ones are a bit overrated imo). Although, I think they've got a better track record than Fox. It'll be interesting to see what this means for the Gambit movie
Agreed, I think the most misses for Marvel Studios is their sequels. Very few of them lived up to the hype of the first film. Though, I guess there is some exceptions but none come to mind right now.

Yeah, not sure what it means for Gambit's film. With it practically in limbo .... seriously, I know it took DP ten years but Channing doesn't have ten years to be this character before he's too old. IMO.
Title: Re: Disney Fox buy out?
Post by: Nox on June 27, 2018, 06:25:54 PM
Agreed, I think the most misses for Marvel Studios is their sequels. Very few of them lived up to the hype of the first film. Though, I guess there is some exceptions but none come to mind right now.

Yeah, not sure what it means for Gambit's film. With it practically in limbo .... seriously, I know it took DP ten years but Channing doesn't have ten years to be this character before he's too old. IMO.



Well, I can't think of one Marvel film I really disliked. Certainly, some were better than others (I think Guardians stand out as consistently good so far), but none were outright terrible IMHO. I just want to see X-men films that skew a bit closer to the comics, and I think Marvel is best positioned to do that.


As for CT, lord knows he's already too old to play Gambit...lol.
Title: Re: Disney Fox buy out?
Post by: Nekobaghira on June 27, 2018, 07:17:27 PM
Okay, I'll expand for the sake of discussion.
GotG2 was slightly lame, imo. "Brandy" by Looking Glass and "The Chain" by Fleetwood Mac while was purposeful for some of the scenes played too often. What made the soundtrack work for the first film is there was no repeat of the songs. "Brandy" was Ego's backstory and I didn't like that element.

IronMan 2 and 3 were weak story wise. Especially 3 with Pepper wanting him to destroy the suits which he did do, I can't even rewatch either of those films.
I couldn't get into Capt America: Winter Soldier. I don't see the appeal of Bucky, and wasn't vested in his plight enough to care.

I'm trying to pick the films that didn't interest me or felt bleh about. I am certain I've got a couple of others but for the most part I do enjoy Marvel Studios handling of their characters.
Here's an idea, lets Magic Mike Gambit and the movie will get done. LMAO - I kid of course.
Title: Re: Disney Fox buy out?
Post by: Sparta on June 27, 2018, 08:13:13 PM
Agreed, I think the most misses for Marvel Studios is their sequels. Very few of them lived up to the hype of the first film. Though, I guess there is some exceptions but none come to mind right now.

Yeah, not sure what it means for Gambit's film. With it practically in limbo .... seriously, I know it took DP ten years but Channing doesn't have ten years to be this character before he's too old. IMO.


He's 38, so yeah, clock's ticking. I don't really want a 40yr old Gambit, though they do wonders with make-up these days LOL. Don't get me wrong, Channing's ageing quite well, it's just a "40 year-old Gambit" sounds strange to me.
Title: Re: Disney Fox buy out?
Post by: Nox on June 27, 2018, 08:21:16 PM
Okay, I'll expand for the sake of discussion.
GotG2 was slightly lame, imo. "Brandy" by Looking Glass and "The Chain" by Fleetwood Mac while was purposeful for some of the scenes played too often. What made the soundtrack work for the first film is there was no repeat of the songs. "Brandy" was Ego's backstory and I didn't like that element.

IronMan 2 and 3 were weak story wise. Especially 3 with Pepper wanting him to destroy the suits which he did do, I can't even rewatch either of those films.
I couldn't get into Capt America: Winter Soldier. I don't see the appeal of Bucky, and wasn't vested in his plight enough to care.

I'm trying to pick the films that didn't interest me or felt bleh about. I am certain I've got a couple of others but for the most part I do enjoy Marvel Studios handling of their characters.
Here's an idea, lets Magic Mike Gambit and the movie will get done. LMAO - I kid of course.


Aww, really? Admittedly, I wasn't a fan of GoG Vol. 2's soundtrack (other than "The Chain", dammit, I love that song), but the movie made me laugh and I enjoyed it. Baby Groot was too. Damn. Cute.


Yes, I admit, Ironman 2 & 3 didn't hold up as well as 1, but I do love me some Robert Downey Jr as Tony Stark, LOL. Maybe my standards vis-à-vis Avengers movies are a bit lower than for the X-men films? (Yeah, they probably are, ha.) In general, I can't think of one film I saw where I said, "that was terrible, I'll never watch it again". 


As a side note: I'm glad to see that someone else doesn't like Bucky either. What is his appeal (and why does he show up in so many Avengers films)?


MagicMike Gambit? Ha! I'm sure there's a market for it.  ;)



He's 38, so yeah, clock's ticking. I don't really want a 40yr old Gambit, though they do wonders with make-up these days LOL. Don't get me wrong, Channing's ageing quite well, it's just a "40 year-old Gambit" sounds strange to me.


Lordy, yeah. When you're building a franchise, the last thing you want to do is cast an actor who will need to be replaced in two years, lol.
Title: Re: Disney Fox buy out?
Post by: Paradox Jast on June 27, 2018, 11:52:21 PM
Have Channing play Jean-Luc?


Yeah, if they want Gambit to hold down for multiple films, they need to cast someone young. I don't even mind if it's an unknown at this point, so long as we get a movie.


I was even thinking about this the other day...if they have them follow a bit of the comic formula, -and- if they continue to use Dafne Keen as X-23, she'll be old enough by the time the studio changeovers finalize, and maybe we can get the meet-up and brother/uncle/mentor angle going.


Will probably not happen, but still fun to think about.
Title: Re: Disney Fox buy out?
Post by: Sparta on June 28, 2018, 02:27:01 AM
Gambit constantly getting overlooked in the X-Men movies is what led to him to get into long periods of limbo and being an incompetent X-Man in the 2000s. Starting with the big X-Men Relaunch in 2001 when Morrison and Casey kicked him out of Uncanny and Adjectivless...and Quesada cancelling the Nicieza 'Gambit' solo which was still selling okay. This is why I hold a long grudge against Fox.


It's only up until the last 2 years where Gambit-fans have been getting hired by Marvel to write their comics, in fact this year he was in R&G, Red and Gold...he actually hasn't had this much exposure since the 90's...and a possible Gambit movie (or at the very least a possible appearance in a re-booted X-Men movie series) will be a massive plus for his comic book future. For instance Domino's been everywhere lately...we all know why, don't we?
Title: Re: Disney Fox buy out?
Post by: bark_no_byte on June 28, 2018, 10:43:22 AM
Okay, I'll expand for the sake of discussion.
GotG2 was slightly lame, imo. "Brandy" by Looking Glass and "The Chain" by Fleetwood Mac while was purposeful for some of the scenes played too often. What made the soundtrack work for the first film is there was no repeat of the songs. "Brandy" was Ego's backstory and I didn't like that element.

IronMan 2 and 3 were weak story wise. Especially 3 with Pepper wanting him to destroy the suits which he did do, I can't even rewatch either of those films.
I couldn't get into Capt America: Winter Soldier. I don't see the appeal of Bucky, and wasn't vested in his plight enough to care.



Yeah, Iron Man 2 has been my least favorite and I wasn't huge on 3 either. I thought the first Thor was kinda meh and didn't bother with the second. Dr. Strange was the main one I thought was over-hyped. It just felt like the first Iron Man with a different coat of paint on it (albeit a very pretty coat of paint).


But when the MCU has their hits, it's a lot of fun. Spider-Man, Infinity War, Thor Ragnarok and GotG were all great imo.
Title: Re: Disney Fox buy out?
Post by: Nox on June 28, 2018, 06:48:10 PM
Have Channing play Jean-Luc?


Yeah, if they want Gambit to hold down for multiple films, they need to cast someone young. I don't even mind if it's an unknown at this point, so long as we get a movie.


I was even thinking about this the other day...if they have them follow a bit of the comic formula, -and- if they continue to use Dafne Keen as X-23, she'll be old enough by the time the studio changeovers finalize, and maybe we can get the meet-up and brother/uncle/mentor angle going.


Will probably not happen, but still fun to think about.


I'd love to see Marvel completely recast the films and hire some great young, relatively unknown talent in the roles. The benefits are twice fold: as they're relatively unknown, they'll be more likely to sign long-term deals for multiple films (instead of having to work around some superstar's schedule), plus they're likely to come from an indie film background, so they might have a bit more acting depth than someone like CT.
Title: Re: Disney Fox buy out?
Post by: bark_no_byte on June 28, 2018, 09:21:59 PM

I'd love to see Marvel completely recast the films and hire some great young, relatively unknown talent in the roles. The benefits are twice fold: as they're relatively unknown, they'll be more likely to sign long-term deals for multiple films (instead of having to work around some superstar's schedule), plus they're likely to come from an indie film background, so they might have a bit more acting depth than someone like CT.


Same. That's how I am with a lot of comic book movies. If the actor is too well known and not necessarily a great actor then it's hard for me to see the character rather than the actor playing the character.
Title: Re: Disney Fox buy out?
Post by: bark_no_byte on July 19, 2018, 11:33:12 AM
Comcast has officially dropped their bid: https://money.cnn.com/2018/07/19/media/comcast-fox-disney/index.html
Title: Re: Disney Fox buy out?
Post by: Paneo01 on July 19, 2018, 12:01:48 PM
Comcast has officially dropped their bid: https://money.cnn.com/2018/07/19/media/comcast-fox-disney/index.html (https://money.cnn.com/2018/07/19/media/comcast-fox-disney/index.html)
apparently they are going after SKY now
Title: Re: Disney Fox buy out?
Post by: bark_no_byte on July 19, 2018, 12:27:13 PM
apparently they are going after SKY now


Yeah, but the main thing that I'm getting from it is Comcast won't be getting the X-Men now
Title: Re: Disney Fox buy out?
Post by: bark_no_byte on October 04, 2018, 11:36:00 AM
Sounds like the Merger could be finished sooner than expected: https://www.cbr.com/disney-fox-merger-moved-up-to-2018/


Quote
Though the official forecast for the close of the Disney (https://www.cbr.com/tag/disney/)Fox (https://www.cbr.com/tag/21st-century-fox/) merger is set for early 2019, personnel moves made this week by Fox have some insiders believing that the deal could be closed sometime this year.
Promotions for five top Fox executives were announced, along with several other organizational realignments, all of which are contingent upon the close of the $71.3 billion deal with Disney, Deadline (https://deadline.com/2018/10/new-fox-promotes-five-executives-ahead-of-disney-deal-close-1202474706) reports. An announcement this early in the process has led some to surmise that a deal close between the two corporations could be happening sooner rather than later.
Shareholders of The Walt Disney Company and 21st Century Fox voted in July to approve (https://www.cbr.com/disney-fox-shareholders-approve-merger/) the purchase of several key Fox assets by Disney, including control of Fox’s film and television production studios, bringing the X-Men, Fantastic Four and Deadpool properties into the Marvel Studios fold.
Title: Re: Disney Fox buy out?
Post by: Nekobaghira on October 05, 2018, 01:01:15 PM
Marvel Studios is doing a better job with their properties, so I think its good that Xmen, FF and DP are back home with Marvel.

As for the deal being done sooner, thats good too. Maybe the iffy projects will have a better chance.
As I suspect or still believe, Fox will still be a brand for Disney. Keeping execs on and promoting is a good way of showing that its not just bringing Fox into the fold but use it as another brand for Disney to distribute material.