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Title: MMX #4 Thread
Post by: purplevit on October 17, 2018, 12:38:20 PM
MMX 4 was fine. I think I was so hyped and expected too much from it so I was a little bit dissapointed. Escape was my favourite part. Discussion about powers was fine but wasn't deep enough for me.Last fight was too messy and DPS was unnecessary. More panels with characters fighting would be much better. Didn't like ending. Maybe because Gambit was just screaming Rogue and Rogue was screaming Remy all the time. At first I thought it was Xandra's thing to show explosion.But everyone was kinda threw away with it so maybe it was real in some way.P. S. Funny but I missed Deadpool here. His jokes were much needed this issue. I think #4 is the weakest for me so far.
Title: Re: MMX #4 Thread
Post by: Sparta on October 17, 2018, 12:51:33 PM
I really liked the first half, especially that escape scene from the preview pages, which was the best scene of the issue (maybe of the entire arc). Some good emotional scenes as well in the middle.
Just felt a bit rushed at the end there, the action in the previous issue was a lot better, I suppose it was a tough act to follow with that awesome Gambit/Deadpool team-up. Though the cliffhanger at the end makes me anticipate the next issue, so I guess the final pages did its job.


EDIT: From a Rogue perspective, I like the idea of her trying to figure out her powers on her own rather than have Xavier (or in this case Xandra) try to fix it again. I hope KT will continue to tackle this.
Title: Re: MMX #4 Thread
Post by: andresa on October 17, 2018, 01:18:46 PM
So, not my favorite issue so far. Having said that, I did love the beginning. I just love seeing Gambit being stealthy, agile, and making escapes. On the other hand, the last pages were just fine, a bit rushed, much like the fist issue. But KT writes great cliffhangers, and this one didn't fail to get me excited for the next issue.

On the negative side, I rolled my eyes at the “your body, your decisions” line because to me it read like feminist bs. Maybe if it had been phrased differently, but having Gambit say exactly the words “it’s obviously about you, it’s your body, your powers, your decision” annoyed me on many levels. They’re married now, like it or not, individual decisions affect one another more than ever. And although I do understand Rogue’s motivations for not wanting to have her powers fixed for her again (I actually think she’s right, it has to be earned by her) I’m just not interested enough in her character and that’s probably why I think she was being selfish… again. It’s hypocritical of her to say that it’s always been hard on her, after all the times Gambit was there for her, and he had to apologize again for complaining about things never being easy on them. That alone put me off of what should’ve been an otherwise emotional scene.

Except for the first awesome pages, Gambit did nothing else that I'd consider exciting.   
Title: Re: MMX #4 Thread
Post by: andresa on October 17, 2018, 01:30:24 PM
I was wondering where the promised big changes in this issue were and then I saw KT confirmed on her tumblr that Xandra and Rogue are actually dead.
Title: Re: MMX #4 Thread
Post by: remydat on October 17, 2018, 01:30:33 PM
Just flipped through the Romy book. Ok issue at the start that became a bit of a mess at the end. Given all the characters involved, the fight was kind of lame and after all the acrobatics against scrubs, Gambit gets taken out quite easily by a named character. Some things never change. As for Rogue's speech about her powers, I totally get what she is saying and I agree. However, I simply don't care. This speech would have been perfect like 10 years ago. Now it is just annoying for me because I am tired of Rogue and her power issues. It is literally my least favorite thing about the character so while I agree with her once again, I am just so over it. When will it ever end?Probably the worst issue by far IMO.
Title: Re: MMX #4 Thread
Post by: remydat on October 17, 2018, 01:31:16 PM
I was wondering where the promised big changes in this issue were and then I saw KT confirmed on her tumblr that Xandra and Rogue are actually dead.


Too bad they won't stay that way  ::)
Title: Re: MMX #4 Thread
Post by: andresa on October 17, 2018, 01:34:49 PM

Too bad they won't stay that way  ::)

Precisely why it didn't cross my mind that that was the so-called change.
Title: Re: MMX #4 Thread
Post by: Nekobaghira on October 17, 2018, 01:50:32 PM
Moved the topic of the issue to its own thread from Gambit Watch. :)
Title: Re: MMX #4 Thread
Post by: remydat on October 17, 2018, 02:53:56 PM
Precisely why it didn't cross my mind that that was the so-called change.


Jokes aside, if you are going to kill someone, I would prefer it stick for a while not get resolved in 1 issue which is where this looks like is headed.  A Gambit story akin to Orpheus where he goes to the underworld to bring Rogue back from the dead would be interesting but don't think anyone would want to write such a story these days.
Title: Re: MMX #4 Thread
Post by: RomeoSvengali on October 17, 2018, 04:26:08 PM
I liked it, I don't need very issue to be filled with non-stop action and jokes everywhere. Seeing Gambit in blonde hair reminded me a little bit of the alternate reality Remy from Earth-6706. Rogue was right about her powers, I would rather she and Gambit be flawed characters, they're not perfect, there's too much Mary Sues/Gary Stu's these days.

Also, the reference to X-Men Legacy #244, I've never understood why that issue always ends up in a top G&R list, yes she was able to touch, but it didn't come from her, it didn't develop their characters or their relationship like it did in X-Treme X-Men and it didn't help that it was written by some pathetic disgusting hack who had other ideas. So unfortunately Rogue's powers needs to be brought up again and dealt with by a much better writer like Kelly... and I still don't miss DP.
Title: Re: MMX #4 Thread
Post by: DonPriceTag on October 17, 2018, 05:40:36 PM
Issue was ok. The beginning was better than the end. 4 issues in and we have Rogue disappearing again. I too found the "my choice" thing a bit off putting. KT had Rogue overreacting with the whole "you can walk out whenever you want" that's something a really young wife would say during an argument. I wouldn't expect it from someone Rogue's age. The moment you say "I do" both partners give up the right to make unilateral life changing decisions with consultation of the other. It was fair to discuss. Don't see why she got her panties in a twist over it. No their lives together havent been easy.

I got really excited when I saw the Star Jammers. I'm really hoping we get some Space scoundrelling. I could have lived with so more action sequences from the Jammers and more dialogue from Coursair. I think he and Gambit could play off of each other well. So that was a let down. The fight scene as a total could have been better. It felt like the only reason the Jammers were present was to make that splash page work.


Gambit getting hit by the spear was kind of weird. He sees her coming and is still hit? The man has dodged bullets and cpu trained lasers. So the dismount wasn't all that great but again, the start was very good... 3/5.
Title: Re: MMX #4 Thread
Post by: purplevit on October 17, 2018, 06:14:19 PM
Issue was ok. The beginning was better than the end. 4 issues in and we have Rogue disappearing again. I too found the "my choice" thing a bit off putting. KT had Rogue overreacting with the whole "you can walk out whenever you want" that's something a really young wife would say during an argument. I wouldn't expect it from someone Rogue's age. The moment you say "I do" both partners give up the right to make unilateral life changing decisions with consultation of the other. It was fair to discuss. Don't see why she got her panties in a twist over it. No their lives together havent been easy.

I got really excited when I saw the Star Jammers. I'm really hoping we get some Space scoundrelling. I could have lived with so more action sequences from the Jammers and more dialogue from Coursair. I think he and Gambit could play off of each other well. So that was a let down. The fight scene as a total could have been better. It felt like the only reason the Jammers were present was to make that splash page work.


Gambit getting hit by the spear was kind of weird. He sees her coming and is still hit? The man has dodged bullets and cpu trained lasers. So the dismount wasn't all that great but again, the start was very good... 3/5.


Agree. "You can walk out whenever you want" was silly and spear was the worst moment for me. It wasn't even thrown from behind.
Dissapointed because escape at the beginning is amazing.
Title: Re: MMX #4 Thread
Post by: anya on October 18, 2018, 11:33:36 AM
I liked it. The escape scene was the best part I not really sure if I'd say he was 'taken out' because he's still conscious and talking (wasn't even bleeding, lol) and it was clearly done for a dramatic, raising the stakes type moment and then Rogue was blown up right after. So it wasn't a get the support characters out of the way, so the star can save the day.
Title: Re: MMX #4 Thread
Post by: Toadman005 on October 19, 2018, 12:08:05 PM
So, not my favorite issue so far. Having said that, I did love the beginning. I just love seeing Gambit being stealthy, agile, and making escapes. On the other hand, the last pages were just fine, a bit rushed, much like the fist issue. But KT writes great cliffhangers, and this one didn't fail to get me excited for the next issue.

On the negative side, I rolled my eyes at the “your body, your decisions” line because to me it read like feminist bs. Maybe if it had been phrased differently, but having Gambit say exactly the words “it’s obviously about you, it’s your body, your powers, your decision” annoyed me on many levels. They’re married now, like it or not, individual decisions affect one another more than ever. And although I do understand Rogue’s motivations for not wanting to have her powers fixed for her again (I actually think she’s right, it has to be earned by her) I’m just not interested enough in her character and that’s probably why I think she was being selfish… again. It’s hypocritical of her to say that it’s always been hard on her, after all the times Gambit was there for her, and he had to apologize again for complaining about things never being easy on them. That alone put me off of what should’ve been an otherwise emotional scene.

Except for the first awesome pages, Gambit did nothing else that I'd consider exciting.


PREACH!!
Title: Re: MMX #4 Thread
Post by: remydat on October 19, 2018, 12:10:04 PM
I liked it. The escape scene was the best part I not really sure if I'd say he was 'taken out' because he's still conscious and talking (wasn't even bleeding, lol) and it was clearly done for a dramatic, raising the stakes type moment and then Rogue was blown up right after. So it wasn't a get the support characters out of the way, so the star can save the day.


It was still lame as the dude had been dodging all sorts of bullets and crap and gets injured by a slow moving spear as he is looking right at Deathbird.  Very definition of PIS.  Also this response from KT was posted on CBR so sounds like editorial screwed things up.



Quote from: Kalternativa
From KT Tumblr:[/size]
Anon: "Given Remy's supposed agility, shouldn't he have been able to dodge Deathbird's spear? It's not like she caught him by surprise as he was already looking at her and it's not like it's a gunshot. It just seems a little frustrating these days (and for the past couple years) that Gambit is only allowed to take down no name thugs/guards who have no super powers, unless of course somebody else (like the Shadow King) is controlling his body."

KT: "It’s actually hilarious you asked this.
I wrote for him to get skewered from behind. When the art came in I thought we should ask for a tweak because I thought it made Remy look less skilled/slower/less acrobatic than he is. Editorial disagreed. And it’s a gorgeous panel as is, so we left it as is.
Guess there are some folks that agree with me. Or at least one! 😂
Comics are compromise. And they’re never perfect. Is what it is!"
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Title: Re: MMX #4 Thread
Post by: belay on October 23, 2018, 01:07:55 AM
Finally got the time to read this issue and I really liked it. The story moved at a nice pace and gave some good development to Rogue, Gambit and Xandra. The escape scene was beautifully drawn and overall the art was really solid. I like when my characters are taken to vulnerable scenarios which keeps them as well as the story interesting. Overall a really good issue.
Title: Re: MMX #4 Thread
Post by: purplevit on October 23, 2018, 02:43:55 AM
Finally got the time to read this issue and I really liked it. The story moved at a nice pace and gave some good development to Rogue, Gambit and Xandra. The escape scene was beautifully drawn and overall the art was really solid. I like when my characters are taken to vulnerable scenarios which keeps them as well as the story interesting. Overall a really good issue.


Glad that you liked ;)
Title: Re: MMX #4 Thread
Post by: DonPriceTag on October 23, 2018, 09:56:25 AM
That boy Zach from Diversity and Comics liked it even more than we did lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cm_Mp-bUU8&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cm_Mp-bUU8&feature=youtu.be)
Title: Re: MMX #4 Thread
Post by: purplevit on October 23, 2018, 10:17:06 AM
That boy Zach from Diversity and Comics liked it even more than we did lol


https://youtu.be/2cm_Mp-bUU8 (https://youtu.be/2cm_Mp-bUU8)


People may like or not MMX but R&G and MMX got the morst good reviews and positive feedback then any other book (solo or team book) with Gambit that I remember for last 10 years.
Title: Re: MMX #4 Thread
Post by: belay on October 23, 2018, 12:08:06 PM

People may like or not MMX but R&G and MMX got the morst good reviews and positive feedback then any other book (solo or team book) with Gambit that I remember for last 10 years.


That is true. I mostly hear Professor Bill from Comic Book University youtube channel but I did check out some podcast who also have really liked this book.  The only disappointing things are the sales numbers. Hope we get a solid run before this book ends.
Title: Re: MMX #4 Thread
Post by: purplevit on October 23, 2018, 01:33:21 PM

That is true. I mostly hear Professor Bill from Comic Book University youtube channel but I did check out some podcast who also have really liked this book.  The only disappointing things are the sales numbers. Hope we get a solid run before this book ends.


If KT's Hawkeye survived 16 issues then MMX can survive as long too. Book can live as long as editors want it to live.


But so far editors never were friendly to Gambit's books.

Title: Re: MMX #4 Thread
Post by: DonPriceTag on October 23, 2018, 02:00:10 PM

If KT's Hawkeye survived 16 issues then MMX can survive as long too. Book can live as long as editors want it to live.


But so far editors never were friendly to Gambit's books.


Yeah, Fabien's run went for 24 issues and two annuals. Layman's went for 12, and Asmus' went for 17 (should have gone longer).
Title: Re: MMX #4 Thread
Post by: Nekobaghira on October 23, 2018, 02:24:20 PM
Good reviews don't always sell books. We've seen many projects fail despite praise. I'm not talking just Gambit.

As for sales, poorly solicited, LCS were told nothing about this book, it was purposely kept under wraps. IMO.
Under orders for #2 which was ordered or needed to be in with #1, is an indicator that LCS wasn't sure what the deal was with this book. That drop is far larger than it should have been. Or has been typically of any other book. Basing this in general.

Yes, some writers will say, their books are doing better than what the numbers dictate and I'm certain that is true to an extent.

Anyway, I wouldn't worry yet about this books future. People are hopefully finding it and the good reviews should or could help. Sales for the next two books will see where it settles in. I hope for the best for you folks. :)
Title: Re: MMX #4 Thread
Post by: Sparta on October 23, 2018, 03:00:24 PM
Honestly, I actually expected MMX to do a lot worse with sales. 71,000 debut compared to R&G's 38,000 debut. I suppose there was a lot more promotion with the wedding shock and it being a "secret book" at the time maybe helped too (and variants including Skottie Young and J Scott Campbell). But initially I thought #1 would be just under 50K at best. The drops are expected, 'Domino' and 'Jean Grey' had 70K to 20K drops as well, so yeah, it's done no better or worse than those satellite books.


I'd be happy if the series reaches 12 issues, which I think it will because the next arc should be about 5 issues (TPB length) which would make it 11 all up, and I think they'll sneak in another. On a personal note I will get what I was initially hoping for. None of us are naive enough to think this series would go beyond 25 issues, and even so, writers would probably move onto other projects by that stage.


KT did confirm seeding a Rogue storyline about controlling her powers, that could be another arc right there, and for Rogue's development, that's a big deal. So you never know...
Title: Re: MMX #4 Thread
Post by: purplevit on October 23, 2018, 04:19:59 PM
KT confirmed that arc 2 will be 3 or 4 issues.
So 9-10 issues confirmed plus I think we will have at least third arc too.


I think we will have around 15 issues.
Title: Re: MMX #4 Thread
Post by: andresa on October 23, 2018, 06:54:13 PM
I'm hoping for a third arc since it should be more Gambit focused. It'll be frustrating, to say the least, if the book gets cancelled before we see more of the Guild or whatever KT has planned, especially after the attention Rogue is getting because of her powers.
Title: Re: MMX #4 Thread
Post by: Nekobaghira on October 23, 2018, 09:06:40 PM
I think as far as collected tpb goes - if MMX goes to 12 or more .... you still have the mini to add to it and the wedding issue.

If MMX goes further, there is the potential of two tpb based on the material central to the pair. A volume 1 and 2. It  could happen.

Just a thought.
Title: Re: MMX #4 Thread
Post by: purplevit on October 24, 2018, 05:51:28 AM
I'm hoping for a third arc since it should be more Gambit focused. It'll be frustrating, to say the least, if the book gets cancelled before we see more of the Guild or whatever KT has planned, especially after the attention Rogue is getting because of her powers.


I don`t expect to see Guilds after issue 6 again but definetely would love too!
Title: Re: MMX #4 Thread
Post by: DonPriceTag on October 25, 2018, 07:59:09 AM
That's sad because if they should be a regular part of any book, it should be this. I'm not saying every Arc or every other Arc, but once in a while. I think it's a good chance to see the duality in Gambit get questioned. Typically when he's dealing with this, it's him alone or he's partnered with an equally dubious friend. Rogue is different I'd like to see one of two things happen;


1. Under Rogue's influence Gambit starts to inact change in the guild to be less shady. it's never be completely above board, but it can cease certain operations.


Or


2. Gambit pushes forward, still trying to mold the guild to his liking but instead of being influenced by Rogue, she is a bit changed by it. She moves accept the morally grey area the guild operates in. Neither Gambit nor Rogue go darkside but we get to see them walk the line and see her support Gambit... Kind of how like Syd supported David in Legion before completely betrayed him in the desert. I loved the line "He's my man..." Ladies, we love it when you guys say things like that.
Title: Re: MMX #4 Thread
Post by: remydat on October 27, 2018, 04:00:24 PM
Holy sh*t Don, I am behind on Legion and you just dropped a major spoiler.   :angry soapbox:
Title: Re: MMX #4 Thread
Post by: DonPriceTag on October 28, 2018, 10:38:15 AM
Holy sh*t Don, I am behind on Legion and you just dropped a major spoiler.   :angry soapbox:


I take no responsibility for this! That was in like April!
Title: Re: MMX #4 Thread
Post by: Spoonz on November 13, 2018, 01:57:23 PM
Guys, please help.  What issue are we on for MMX?  I'm so busy these days it's impossible to get to a shop let alone keep track of issue numbers, but I can get the issues on my Kindle apparently.  Just need to know which issues to look out for.  Matter of fact, I think I only read the first issue.
Title: Re: MMX #4 Thread
Post by: bark_no_byte on November 13, 2018, 02:00:47 PM
Issue 4. 5 comes out next week