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Title: Mr and Mrs X #5
Post by: Nekobaghira on November 17, 2018, 01:39:43 PM

https://www.superherohype.com/comics/427671-exclusive-preview-mr-and-mrs-x-5-leaves-rogues-fate-a-mystery (https://www.superherohype.com/comics/427671-exclusive-preview-mr-and-mrs-x-5-leaves-rogues-fate-a-mystery)

Preview from Gambit watch thread, thanks Purp.

Knowing this is released the day before Thanksgiving in the US, it might be crazy for some.

Here it is ..... discuss away!
Title: Re: Mr and Mrs X #5
Post by: andresa on November 21, 2018, 11:31:57 AM
I liked the issue for the most part, although it's far from being perfect.

I honestly don’t understand the reason to make Rogue’s powers even more complicated. She’s already a pretty powerful character so amplifying her absorption powers so that she can learn how to control them is weak since she’s never really had much control over her abilities to begin with. The way her powers were “broken” is very similar to when Gambit had his powers out of control. Also, Rogue and Xandra’s supposed deaths being just an illusion was lame and predictable. I was hoping for a much better resolution.

On the bright side, it's nice seeing Remy get angry with Rogue for acting on her own and tell her off for that, later he was there for her again. I did love how supportive he was without getting the short end of the stick (like in the previous issue and so many other times). He knew Rogue was going to push him away again but didn't back off.(O
(Of course, what I actually want to see is Gambit growing as a character on his own, outside of Rogue, but it’s their book and I think how mature and supportive he was is character development, even if it's still connected to Rogue, so it’s good enough for now).

I also liked how awkward they felt after coming back to earth and to normal. Everything happened so fast and on impulse and now they have to work things out. And the cats are obviously adorable. I think it was a decent end to the fist arc.
 
Title: Re: Mr and Mrs X #5
Post by: purplevit on November 21, 2018, 11:40:39 AM
This issue had some good moments and conversation between Rogue and Gambit because KT understands characters and knows how to write them.

But I am dissapointed. Very predictable and weak final.

I am very dissapointed baecause I like both R&G and MMX books but so far KT wrote 2 arcs and both are Rogue centered.Rogue saved the day in R&G. It was a duo book. Rogue and Gambit must save it. It is not a solo book.

Now in MMX final Rogue saves the day again. It is duo book. It shouldn't be like this.

KT is a good writer but it seems for Romy book she has a formula. 1 cool issue for Gambit inside of arc so Rogue can save a day at the end.
It seems the same formula will be written for Mojo arc. Gambit will shine in issue 8 and then Rogue will save the day at the end of arc. KT writes Gambit and Rogue good but her writing formula is not right for duo book.
Title: Re: Mr and Mrs X #5
Post by: andresa on November 21, 2018, 11:48:00 AM
I didn't see it as Rogue saving the day. It was more like Xandra did it.
Title: Re: Mr and Mrs X #5
Post by: remydat on November 21, 2018, 03:16:46 PM
So basically Lavish and Rogue solve the Romy issues in the mini which centered on Rogue accepting Gambit. And Rogue and Xandra save everyone after Gambit gets impaled by Deathbird despite looking right at her. And now we know there will be a story related to Rogue's powers.

So far after 10 issues, everything is basically about Rogue. Rogue and her issues with Gambit drove the mini. Rogue and her relationship with Xandra drove this first arc and soon we will get to read more issues of Rogue dealing with her powers.  Gambit is basically comic relief and a side kick as Rogue and guest star of the arc do all the heavy lifting.

I also love how everything Gambit has an issue with Rogue, it is pretty much forgotten.  When he talked about feeling like the only one carrying the burden in the mini, it was never addressed in the mini.  When he talked her making the decision without him here, it immediately gets dumped because Rogue has issues with her powers.  KT basically has no commitment when it comes to anything related to Gambit.  It is like she throws a panel or two in their to give the impression she is being balanced but then it is simply forgotten as the focus shifts back on Glorious Rogue.
Title: Re: Mr and Mrs X #5
Post by: Nekobaghira on November 21, 2018, 05:23:22 PM
I was thinking similar thoughts Remydat. It would appear its the all Rogue show and the writer is doing what every other Marvel writer does when they get their hands on her. They write Rogue and every character around her is background/support and not nearly as important to story telling as Rogue. Rogue gets the story and saves the day.

Gambit using his powers well or being emotional/whatever support for Rogue isn't character growth for him.

Oh well, is what it is.
Title: Re: Mr and Mrs X #5
Post by: anya on November 21, 2018, 05:36:48 PM
I didn't see it as Rogue saving the day. It was more like Xandra did it.
Yeah, it was Xandra's plan and (mostly) her powers, Rogue had very little to do with it.
Edit:and I guess he avoided deathbird's spear better than we thought, because he's walking around just fine, it must have barely gazed him, lol.
Title: Re: Mr and Mrs X #5
Post by: remydat on November 21, 2018, 06:47:21 PM
Yeah, it was Xandra's plan and (mostly) her powers, Rogue had very little to do with it.
Edit:and I guess he avoided deathbird's spear better than we thought, because he's walking around just fine, it must have barely gazed him, lol.


Xandra is just the latest character to be enamored with Rogue.  Rogue and Xandra develop the relationship together.  Gambit is just there as the guy who helped Rogue save Xandra.  All the character beats with Xandra are with her and Rogue.  Sure Xandra is the primary reason they are saved but she required Rogue not Gambit to do it.  And when she goes to say goodbye, she doesn't say goodbye to Gambit and Rogue, she said goodbye to Rogue.


So this first arc was literally Rogue and Xandra developing a bond and saving the day together while Cerise, the Starjammers, Technet, Deathbird, Imperial Guard and Gambit are just wallpaper to their relationship.
Title: Re: Mr and Mrs X #5
Post by: Dantay on November 22, 2018, 04:16:27 AM
Gambit kicked ass this whole arc, he was never a damsel and didn't need saving, Xandra was OP and saved the day in the end. If you didnt like the first arc or how Gambit was portrayed or even how "its all about Rogue and Gambits just along for the ride" then now you know this book is not for you. Im enjoying Gambits portrayal in the book, however its very drawn out first arc should have been 4 issues and it kinda ended like a wet fart, i don't see this book lasting more than 10-12 issues and there will be a divorce at some point in the future, the angst is coming and this marriage wont last
Title: Re: Mr and Mrs X #5
Post by: remydat on November 22, 2018, 10:59:50 AM
Actually he did need saving.  He was speared because his super agility disappeared as the plot required and he couldn't dodge a simple spear from someone right in front of him.  One of the lamest showings by Gambit I have ever seen.  Rogue and Xandra state quite clearly that he and the rest of them needed saving as that is why they do their little trick.

Aside from feats, KT has had Gambit for 10 issues and nothing has been developed.  Rogue thus far has worked through her issues with Gambit mainly with Lavish, this whole arc here was really her and Xandra developing a bond and now we know there will be future stories regarding her powers.   

It is all about Rogue while Gambit jumps around looking good against no name scrubs but then getting taken out by the first character of note that challenges him.  It is lame.  Maybe you guys like watching Gambit defeat No Name Shiar Solider No 1 while getting speared by Deathbird but I don't see how that is a good look for Gambit.

I am already expecting Rogue to save the Guilds somehow when they show up and for Gambit to be fridged in order for Rogue to be single again and have a tragic backstory.  This is a Rogue solo with Gambit as support character.
Title: Re: Mr and Mrs X #5
Post by: remydat on November 22, 2018, 11:07:02 AM
Also you know what would have been really cool, Gambit going berserk and kicking ass when he thought Rogue was dead. That would have been far better than everyone just leaving the whimpering fool there. The dude can make massive explosions and usually holds back because he is a hero but if I just saw my wife die, I would not just lamely sit there crying, I would end the people that did it but this version of Gambit is softer than Charmin.
Title: Re: Mr and Mrs X #5
Post by: Nekobaghira on November 22, 2018, 03:34:36 PM
Due to sensitivity to negativity - I'll try to be short. - Just an opinion.
 
this version of Gambit is softer than Charmin.

heh heh, and nobody cares that he's getting pooped on. Pun intended. Yes, very few care, all that is cared about is that he is married to Rogue (writer included).
Title: Re: Mr and Mrs X #5
Post by: X-fan73 on November 22, 2018, 04:27:09 PM
Over all I got good vibes from the issue. 8/10 for the issue 7.5 for the story arc.
I don’t think Gambit would have been angry with Rogue. I think he should have been like “ wow I really thought you were dead,JFC.But I don’t think he would be upset with the illusion of it was just a limited time With Rogue’s power going haywire, you have to stop to think how intimidating it would be to have someone able to absorb your essence by just being around them. Sure this is probably a short term power gain. But damn.

The ring scene I found emotional touching, and pretty personal look into Rogue and Gambit’s feeling for each other.


Rogue definitely saved the day by her fake out .They were fighting for the fate of the Shi’ar Empire So this was probably one battle the Imperial Guard was not going to lose.Gambit still had a good showing.
Note:Not sure why some of my text got resized but I am not retyping on my phone, lol.



admin edit - fixing type and size.
Title: Re: Mr and Mrs X #5
Post by: Nekobaghira on November 22, 2018, 04:33:57 PM
I dunno either with the text, size and all that stuff. One of these days I need to check settings for phones or something.
Title: Re: Mr and Mrs X #5
Post by: remydat on November 23, 2018, 08:16:42 AM
Due to sensitivity to negativity - I'll try to be short. - Just an opinion.
 
heh heh, and nobody cares that he's getting pooped on. Pun intended. Yes, very few care, all that is cared about is that he is married to Rogue (writer included).


Damn it I am upset I didnt think of the pooped on line.  Good one!
Title: Re: Mr and Mrs X #5
Post by: DonPriceTag on November 23, 2018, 08:49:36 AM
I haven't made it to the comic book store in two weeks .I've got no clue whats going on...
Title: Re: Mr and Mrs X #5
Post by: Nekobaghira on November 23, 2018, 12:52:46 PM

Damn it I am upset I didnt think of the pooped on line.  Good one!
heh heh, I have my moments. TBH - I'm surprised you missed the pun too.  LOL
Title: Re: Mr and Mrs X #5
Post by: DonPriceTag on November 24, 2018, 07:18:07 PM
Issue was iiight. Nothing to rave about. The illusion didn't make much h sense and I don't think it should have worked on people that have seen the things theyve seen. I liked how Gambit made light work of the Imperial Guard. Not sure if anyone else caught the rerun of Gambit flipping Warstar. He did the same thing to him in the Animated Series but didn't attach the card that time.


Liked the point remydat used. I too wished that after Gambit saw his wife die, and not know how, that we saw him wig out and go darkside. Maybe harken back to the Asmus' solo, mention something he' been hiding and start to exihit that issue with his powers possibly being amped but stops... Or doesn't. It would change the story, but Im not opposed to it. This did again turn into the Rogue-show and I would have liked to see Gambit get  more development.


Some of the dialogue could have been refined. I don't think she had some of the characters talking like people more than pretentious students trying to impress a language arts teacher. I think a lot of this story depends on the idea of future arcs, which I hope it gets.


Art was great, except Oscar continuing to draw all the women with the same face. Again, it was ight.

Title: Re: Mr and Mrs X #5
Post by: remydat on November 27, 2018, 08:19:22 PM
Yeah at this point, I would almost prefer Gambit go back to being a villain as this version of Gambit is just so soft and not menacing at all.  Of course, he is a hero but the Gambit I grew up with was a hero that didn't mind getting his hands dirty or doing the morally grey thing for the greater good.  This version of Gambit is worried about getting the ship back to Carol and seems like he would freak out if he got caught jaywalking.


The dude makes s*** explode and there is never a sense that anyone is worried about him actually hurting them.  As if they all know that Gambit's explosions are more a nuisance than a danger.  Might as well call him Firecracker Gambit.
Title: Re: Mr and Mrs X #5
Post by: Paneo01 on November 28, 2018, 06:50:13 AM
Heartbreaking what's been done to him. He's so watered down and PC he's hardly recognizable anymore. Somebody mentioned its a great time to be a gambit fan because there is so much of him now. But Quantity is not quality...and the quality is utter crap.
Title: Re: Mr and Mrs X #5
Post by: andresa on November 28, 2018, 10:52:50 AM
Nothing's worse than early 00’s Gambit. If now he is a shadow of what he used to be, he was a completely different character under Austen and Milligan (and obviously Carey, likely the worst out of the three, because at least the other two were clueless; Carey, on the other hand, showed in interviews that he got Gambit but that never reflected on page cause, you know, he could never project himself in a character like Gambit).

That’s why I don’t think Gambit is at his all-time low now. He isn’t a different character just cause now he’s married to Rogue. Blaming this book for what he’s become is not objective. It goes way back, Gambit hasn’t been the same in years, with a few exceptions. Even Asmus tried to modernize him, even made fun of his old costume.

I love 90’s Gambit the most, he is the character I fell in love with as a child, he is the real Gambit. I’d love to see this Gambit make a comeback, I just don’t know how he could be fully in this boring politically correct world we live in now. For now, even with all this nostalgia vibe going on, it seems there is no interest in writing him as he was in the 90’s.

I know that to expect characters never to change is naïve but I’ll never get over the fact that this is not the Gambit I want to read, even if I don’t hate this version. It’s not ideal but there had been darker moments than this. Overall, I wouldn’t trade this Gambit for Austen’s, Milligan’s, much less Carey’s versions, those were not Gambit at all. 
Title: Re: Mr and Mrs X #5
Post by: killphil on November 28, 2018, 11:39:24 AM
I'm surprised at the amount of negativity in this thread. I am thoroughly enjoying this book. To each their own, I guess. I came here hoping to find more positivity towards this book since I have been seeing so many people enjoying this series everywhere else.
Title: Re: Mr and Mrs X #5
Post by: bark_no_byte on November 28, 2018, 12:43:10 PM
I'm surprised at the amount of negativity in this thread. I am thoroughly enjoying this book. To each their own, I guess. I came here hoping to find more positivity towards this book since I have been seeing so many people enjoying this series everywhere else.


Eh, it's just the people with negative opinions have more to say than the people with positive. Not that that's a bad thing. I love the book. I just don't really have much to say about it that I haven't already said and I don't really feel like debating it with anyone
Title: Re: Mr and Mrs X #5
Post by: purplevit on November 28, 2018, 02:06:34 PM

The dude makes s*** explode and there is never a sense that anyone is worried about him actually hurting them.  As if they all know that Gambit's explosions are more a nuisance than a danger.  Might as well call him Firecracker Gambit.


MMX 3
Title: Re: Mr and Mrs X #5
Post by: purplevit on November 28, 2018, 02:18:56 PM
This scene with almost depowered Gambit from R&G 4 fits here good too.



Title: Re: Mr and Mrs X #5
Post by: purplevit on November 28, 2018, 02:28:55 PM
And RED 5.



Title: Re: Mr and Mrs X #5
Post by: Nekobaghira on November 28, 2018, 03:48:01 PM
I'm going to tell you folks a story. One from this place, years of running it, you see many things. Attached is the cover to Gambit solo by Asmus and Mann its for the third issue.

The solo was announce in April of 2012, the book didn't hit shelves until August of 2012. Covers had been released to add excitement. For almost four months, there was almost nothing but complaints because of this cover. The solo was being judged by a cover because there was no words to have been read at that time, no pages to flip through. No teases to have been seen, it was all based on this cover.

I can tell you for a fact, that the "negativity" that seems so extreme is practically nil and tame compared to that time period. In that 2012 time period it was over a cover and no words read. At least we're actually trying to discuss the likes and dislikes of MMX. I'm sensing, discussion is not wanted and that is fine too. Best to know it now before the board goes up in flames and I have to do something.


Realistically, how many don't like it? They're outnumbered, what does it matter. You enjoy it, buy it. Nobody here should sway in either direction. Nor the buyer should allow it.


None of the negative stuff with Asmus solo stopped me from buying it, nor ANXF or X23 or Astonishing Xmen under Liu (yeah, there was some serious amount of negativity for several of the books listed and far worse that what has been said here recently about MMX). Is it being stated that MMX can't stand up to complaint or criticism?


Tell you what, if you want is for everyone to say how great it is and not discuss it, I'll work something out with the dissenters.Whatever is best will work.
Title: Re: Mr and Mrs X #5
Post by: purplevit on November 28, 2018, 05:21:30 PM
C'mon, Neko. Noone told here that want everyone to say how book is great and not discuss it.


That negativity for Asmus cover was here?
Title: Re: Mr and Mrs X #5
Post by: Nekobaghira on November 28, 2018, 06:24:20 PM
C'mon, Neko. Noone told here that want everyone to say how book is great and not discuss it.


That negativity for Asmus cover was here?
It may not have been said, but there is a whiff of unhappiness and I don't want that for those enjoying the book. I don't want people getting uptight over this book, if that means putting some qualifiers on it, so be it. The goal being -  be happy, and enjoy the book. I'd rather find a compromise.

As for the cover, yes. Here. One of many over the top things that have happened - Here.
Title: Re: Mr and Mrs X #5
Post by: Mateo3000 on November 28, 2018, 06:59:17 PM
I've been busy with life so I haven't been able to post in forums in a while and therefore haven't posted in here in a  long minute. But I love Gambit (he's my favorite Marvel character) and I love this place (the Guild). Everyone should be able to post whatever opinion they have here. If you wanna be positive and post how much you love a comic (Mr & Mrs X or whatever other comic Gambit is in), go for it. If you wanna be negative and post how much you hate a comic go for it. There are things I really like about Mr & Mrs. X and things I despise about the comic. I like reading whatever opinions other Gambit-fans have on the book and I'm enough of an adult to not get offended by any of it. I would hope that others are mature enough and aware that forums will always both sides of the spectrum (competing opinions) when it comes to forums, and hopefully don't get offended by forum posts.

So please Neko, and others, don't feel the need to censor this board and please don't push an agenda to cater to whatever side of the spectrum (positive fans or negative fans). I have always felt more comfortable in this forum than in any other forum and I love that we don't have to deal with the strict draconian mods of CBR (I still like CBR, but they're mods go overboard sometimes). So please everybody else that sees this, feel free to post whatever it is you wanna post. As long as you're not harassing others or clearly trolling, there should be no issues.

PS. Looking at that cover of Asmus's 3rd issue of Gambit's solo and thinking about Joelle, they do look good as a couple together. And I do wonder where they could've gone together as a couple if Marvel had pushed forward with them instead of having Joelle die. I enjoyed reading their interactions and her character even if it only lasted one arc.
Title: Re: Mr and Mrs X #5
Post by: Nekobaghira on November 28, 2018, 07:28:16 PM
Great post Mateo3000.
I don't plan on censorship, at all. More of let the "good times roll" for a bit and then when ready, talk about it. If that means letting a few weeks go bye, then lets let a few weeks go bye.

I do like that we can talk here. Most impressive we can run through a variety of topics.
I am recognizing there is a book "high" and that sometimes it can be a downer to visit a place you like and not continue that euphoria. I've been there and done that and get that. Maybe, we just chill and enjoy the book for a bit before trying to break it down into pieces. Bask in the glory? 

It's fatiguing when you are constantly battling, and I get that. I could tell another story but darn those stories take time. My compromise is, "let it roll" for a bit and then when all has calmed down, we talk about the books. (The band the Cars, how many references can I put in.)
My proposal, unless something so catastrophic happens, enjoy the MMX book, state all the positives. Images and all that. We know the attachments work! LOL


RE: Asmus'book and Joelle
The thing with the Joelle is Asmus killed her off. It was sad. I liked her but it was his character, the book was ending so ... it is what it is.

Edit: Thanks, as a group needed to talked about this and helped in what I hope is a good solution. :)


Title: Re: Mr and Mrs X #5
Post by: remydat on November 28, 2018, 10:44:25 PM
Purp,


Would be so much better if Deathbird didn't make Gambit her b**ch by spearing him despite him looking right at her.


Also don't care about Gambit jumping around some no name Shiar.  Or fighting a comedy act like Deadpool where we all know he heals.


As for the mini.  Dude plants a card in someone's neck and she not only survives, she is no worse for wear in the next issue where Rogue has to defeat Lavish.  No joke you throw a firecracker in someone's face and it would do more lasting damage.
Title: Re: Mr and Mrs X #5
Post by: remydat on November 28, 2018, 10:56:54 PM
Eh KT was uber critical of the Asmus solo when she was a critic so gotta be able to take as well as you give.


Looking back at her complaints and reading her book and she has done jack s*** to develop a character that is suppose to he sharing 50% of the spotlight.
Title: Re: Mr and Mrs X #5
Post by: killphil on November 28, 2018, 11:33:49 PM
I find the book fun. Reminds me of the old Claremont adventures. I like the interaction. Feels natural and in character. Kinda like re-uiniting with old friends you havent seen or heard from in years. Gives me a sense of nostalgia.
Title: Re: Mr and Mrs X #5
Post by: Nekobaghira on November 28, 2018, 11:51:51 PM
Eh KT was uber critical of the Asmus solo when she was a critic so gotta be able to take as well as you give.


Looking back at her complaints and reading her book and she has done jack s*** to develop a character that is suppose to he sharing 50% of the spotlight.
This will always be a thing won't it? She was a jerk in reviews of Asmus book but her book is some grand thing - up to interpretation - IMO
Title: Re: Mr and Mrs X #5
Post by: purplevit on November 29, 2018, 02:33:55 AM
Purp,


Would be so much better if Deathbird didn't make Gambit her b**ch by spearing him despite him looking right at her.


Also don't care about Gambit jumping around some no name Shiar.  Or fighting a comedy act like Deadpool where we all know he heals.


As for the mini.  Dude plants a card in someone's neck and she not only survives, she is no worse for wear in the next issue where Rogue has to defeat Lavish.  No joke you throw a firecracker in someone's face and it would do more lasting damage.


Him getting speared by Deathbird is a different story.
You told that noone is afraid of his explosions and that they are not dangerous. I showed you with scans that it is not true.


Of course speared scene is lame.


Enough of that no name characters. Gambit hadn`t defeat anyone with name character in Asmus solo either. Everyone would love for Gambit to fight A list characters. At least I hope we will have Gambit vs Spiral in MMX 8. His fights in MMX is better then in any other Gambit book in last 10 years.


You are not right. Gambit was almost depowered and charged her with kick. Lavish was hurt bad and used a healer to heal her.
Next issue it was only her golems. True lavish escaped after Gambit blew up her neck.
Title: Re: Mr and Mrs X #5
Post by: remydat on November 29, 2018, 12:29:09 PM
Deathbird was not afraid of him as is obvious because she taunted and speared him.  That scene is rendered quite meaningless when she clear defeated him one on one.

Gambit sparred with several characters in the solo with names including Cich's cybernetically enhanced goon Remlik.  What is that Shiar's name?  Bozo?

Yes if a firecracker goes off in your face, you would need medical attention too.  Doesn't charge the fact it was a firecracker.  It is a weak explosion in a critical area.  We know it is weak because an actual real explosion would blow someone's face off.  Does she survive if the explosion was as strong as a single stick of dynamite?  Of course not.

It is fine if you are excited by firecrackers in the face but Taylor had the dude blowing X-23 to bits and taking out a floor.  Asmus had him using his powers in unique ways and incinerating Cich.  So by contrast, dude is weak as f*** here.
Title: Re: Mr and Mrs X #5
Post by: remydat on November 29, 2018, 12:35:28 PM
This will always be a thing won't it? She was a jerk in reviews of Asmus book but her book is some grand thing - up to interpretation - IMO

It has to be.  She was complaining about the plot and his powers and yet after 10 issues, Gambit has done nothing of consequence.  There isn't a single use of his powers remotely close to the cool things Asmus had him do.

There is nothing here by way of character development.  If anything his character is regressing into a whiny dude who can't protect his wife and just cries when people hurt her.

Rogue is basically the man in this relationship.  She is the one Gambit has to ask to deal with Deadpool, she is the one that gets rid of Deadpool, and you can be damn sure if she thought someone killed Gambit she would have gone apes***.
Title: Re: Mr and Mrs X #5
Post by: purplevit on November 29, 2018, 01:41:20 PM
Deathbird was not afraid of him as is obvious because she taunted and speared him.  That scene is rendered quite meaningless when she clear defeated him one on one.

Gambit sparred with several characters in the solo with names including Cich's cybernetically enhanced goon Remlik.  What is that Shiar's name?  Bozo?

Yes if a firecracker goes off in your face, you would need medical attention too.  Doesn't charge the fact it was a firecracker.  It is a weak explosion in a critical area.  We know it is weak because an actual real explosion would blow someone's face off.  Does she survive if the explosion was as strong as a single stick of dynamite?  Of course not.

It is fine if you are excited by firecrackers in the face but Taylor had the dude blowing X-23 to bits and taking out a floor.  Asmus had him using his powers in unique ways and incinerating Cich.  So by contrast, dude is weak as f*** here.


Lol, if Deathbird wasn't afraid of him then she won't tell the ship to stop fireing and won't run away alowing Gambit to blow up command center. It is ridiculous that we are speaking about scan of issue 3 and you are continuing to use scene from issue 5. You just have no real arguments here and you know it. [size=78%] So Deathbird scene in MMX 3 is lame because she hurted Remy in issue 5 but fight with Remlik and Cich is cool? Remlik was kicking Gambit in issue 17 before his friends arrived and Gambit did nothing. Also Cich killed him with front shot. Well, at least Gambit repayed him with bullet, but shot still was lame as hell. [/size]


Gambit in R&G 4 was depowered on limited powers. Already told you that.


Oh, also you should reread A+X 3 when Remy couldn't stop a frog with 52 cards.


You can continue to hate as much as you want. I am not interested to continue thia conversation.


My scans are great prove. Now I just can't see your posts as serious.


Good luck.


I respect Admus and want hin to write Gambit again.
Title: Re: Mr and Mrs X #5
Post by: remydat on November 29, 2018, 06:48:59 PM
Deathbird wasn't afraid of him.  She made a tactical decision and told him it wasn't over yet.  She then came after him despite Gambit warning her not to and speared him.  There is a difference between being afraid and making a smart decision when someone has the drop on you.  If she were truly afraid, she would not have returned and speared him.  Or as KT originally planned, she would spear him from behind not wanting to confront him head on.  Instead what we got is Deathbird announcing herself to him (unlike Gambit who got the drop on her before) and then proceeding to take him out like she was spearing fish.

The Remlik fight is in issue 7 where he outsmarts them and steals the device controlling his ankle bomb and then takes down Remlik who is cybernetically enhanced one on one.  Issue 17 is when Cich sends the whole prison after him not just Remlik and yes he calls in support since it is a whole prison of people with enhanced powers.  However, one on one he took Remlik down unlike Deathbird. 

Also, I have said before Cich shooting him was plot induced stupidity so unlike you I can admit when something was lame even if I liked it overall.  The Cich gun shot was clearly lame but it was lame with the goal of having Faiza resurrect him so he can get a power upgrade.  So in the end, it was done to serve the character. 

There is no benefit to him getting speared.  It was done to serve not his story but give Rogue a reason to go with Xandra's plan.  Gambit failing is one of the reasons they decide to make the illusion so it just illustrates that his wife had no faith in him and thus had to trick him and their enemies which goes back to the point he can't adequately protect his wife. 

As for R&G 4, yes I am aware he was depowered which just explains the reason why his firecracker did minimal damage.  It doesn't suddenly make this some massive explosion because it wasn't.  Why would I care about a depowered Gambit throwing a firecracker at someone?

Not sure why you bringing up A+X 3 as I never claimed that was a great power display by Gambit.
Title: Re: Mr and Mrs X #5
Post by: Mateo3000 on November 29, 2018, 08:22:02 PM
I will say that I do agree with both Remydat and Purp here. Yes, Gambit has really only defeated no name thugs recently, he damaged Lavish but didn't really play a role in her defeat. But I do agree that action sequences that Remy has appeared in (both R&G and MMX) have been very well done and dynamic. In fact these are the best action panels that Remy's has appeared in, in years. Do I wish Gambit fought battles (and won) with actual named villains/other superheroes, YES. Do I wish Remy used his powers in more creative, efficient, and destructive ways; YES. That's why I have really liked how Thompson has him use his bo staff and while I like his trademark cards, I feel that there is so much more he could do with his powers without turning into an overpowered behemoth (which is what Rogue practically is). I (and the rest of us) have to live with what we get of Gambit in comics, because unfortunately Marvel clearly never meant the character to become as popular as he did in the 90s and really didn't care to maintain his popularity. In fact they nearly killed it by having writers who either hate the character or had no idea how to write him, and by not featuring him for years. So I am going to enjoy whatever I can read of him in comics, which fortunately Thompson has done a decent enough job. Sure Thompson's no Nicieza, Claremont, or Liu; but it could be much worse. We could be dealing with more trash like Milligan, Carey, or Layman.

And I do have to give Thompson props because she did acknowledge that she was tough on Asmus back then because she hadn't gotten into writing comics yet and hadn't realized just how much of a b***h it can be to work with editorial. But granted as much as I hate editorial for things like Carey, Milligan, and a million other examples of s***ty writing. I still have to give editorial props for shooting down Asmus when he wanted to make Gambit bisexual and date guys.  I will forever be grateful to whichever editor shot down that idea because knowing Marvel it would've been as poorly written and would've made even less sense than when they wrote Iceman gay in the span of a few pages.

The only thing I'm kind of worried about in Mr & Mrs. X is that if it only lasts 12 issues then Rogue (and her development) will have clearly been the focus of 9 out of 12 issues. I find that troubling no matter how well Thompson is writing him because it seems like his role is just to be Rogue's support (or a background character like he was in MMX #2).


Title: Re: Mr and Mrs X #5
Post by: remydat on November 29, 2018, 10:58:00 PM
9 out 12?  Try 12 out of 12.  Rest assured the Thieves Guild arc will still be about Rogue.  It will be about how everyone is so happy Gambit found such a great wife and how it makes him a better person blah blah blah!  Then Rogue will do something to help the Guild and everyone will say how great she is.
Title: Re: Mr and Mrs X #5
Post by: saksiv on November 30, 2018, 06:48:38 AM
Rogue has an long term arc about her powers fnd Gambit is a support character in it.  Im ok with this.  My problem is that Gambit dosent have his own story/goal/development, now that "ROMY angst" is done (Thank God!).  Ironically it is exactly what KT accused Asmus in her review (with which I agree).  )))


P/S: It was really great to lurk on this forum, had a greate time guys! See you on the internet!
Title: Re: Mr and Mrs X #5
Post by: remydat on November 30, 2018, 12:24:41 PM
Well I think what KT missed in the solo was that the purpose of the solo was in fact to give him a story/goal/development.  The whole premise of it was that Gambit was a bit lost in terms of his direction and the solo was him finding that direction which he clearly did by the end of it.  Namely that he could be both a thief and a hero.


I guess this book will shows us that Gambit can be both a whiny husband and a sidekick as that seems to be the only development here.
Title: Re: Mr and Mrs X #5
Post by: saksiv on November 30, 2018, 08:51:53 PM
I`m sorry but your pessimism seems way to overwhelming)) Kind of like, if Marvel took Valerie Jones fanfic as a cannon, you would still complain about it, just because Rogue was in there)


Sorry, not bashing on you or anything.  I know where you comming from.


BTW: Are you Canemancar from marvel boards?
Title: Re: Mr and Mrs X #5
Post by: killphil on December 01, 2018, 02:58:04 PM
I`m sorry but your pessimism seems way to overwhelming)) Kind of like, if Marvel took Valerie Jones fanfic as a cannon, you would still complain about it, just because Rogue was in there)


Sorry, not bashing on you or anything.  I know where you comming from.


BTW: Are you Canemancar from marvel boards?
Are those boards still up? I thought they were taken down years ago. I remember Canemancer. One of the top posters in the Gambit thread back then.
Title: Re: Mr and Mrs X #5
Post by: X-fan73 on December 01, 2018, 03:03:20 PM
Think Carey broke Canemacar or was it when Gage took over? Some time when Racky Lebeau was a fresh meme.
Title: Re: Mr and Mrs X #5
Post by: Nekobaghira on December 01, 2018, 08:52:52 PM
Most boards are gone now. Marvel boards have been gone for a long time. I remember Cane, I even made an avatar for him (coat rack Gambit), that he used on the CBR site.
There are a lot of people gone now. Be that due to the books or boredom or loss of interest or not wanting to keep up with the hobby anymore. Hard to tell.

Title: Re: Mr and Mrs X #5
Post by: remydat on December 01, 2018, 09:38:01 PM
I`m sorry but your pessimism seems way to overwhelming)) Kind of like, if Marvel took Valerie Jones fanfic as a cannon, you would still complain about it, just because Rogue was in there)

Sorry, not bashing on you or anything.  I know where you comming from.

BTW: Are you Canemancar from marvel boards?


No need to apologize. It is what it is.  I don't read this book for Rogue.  And no, I am not Canemancar.  Have always used Remydat on message boards.
Title: Re: Mr and Mrs X #5
Post by: remydat on December 01, 2018, 09:44:24 PM
Most boards are gone now. Marvel boards have been gone for a long time. I remember Cane, I even made an avatar for him (coat rack Gambit), that he used on the CBR site.
There are a lot of people gone now. Be that due to the books or boredom or loss of interest or not wanting to keep up with the hobby anymore. Hard to tell.


Yeah I remember him now that you mention the the Racky LeBeau meme.  It is sad how many Gambit fans just gave up on him and sadly not much reason to come back to him at this point.  Good buddy of mine asked me the other day if I still follow comics and when I gave him an update on Gambit (used to be his favorite), he pretty much spit up his drink when I told him, Gambit married Rogue despite the Rogueneto stuff. 


I can't even repeat the words he used to describe Gambit and he pretty much said dude was dead to him.  Slowly but surely, his fan base is going to be slowly eroded.  By the time I have kids, it will just be Rogue and Romy fans left with Gambit known as Rogue's annoying spouse or Ex at that point.
Title: Re: Mr and Mrs X #5
Post by: killphil on December 01, 2018, 09:54:26 PM
Comics, in general, are dying. Interest in all things X-men are pretty low due to the focus on the MCU and the X-Men, up till now, having no part in it.
Who knows, all that could change with the Disney/Fox acquisition, but I believe a resurgence in X-Men popularity can only come from movies. Movies made by Marvel Studios. The comics can no longer make or break these characters at this point.
Title: Re: Mr and Mrs X #5
Post by: Nekobaghira on December 01, 2018, 10:18:58 PM
I think the medium has been dying for a long time. You only get 20 pages of content. The other pages that fill a 32 page book are ads and letters page or something.

I think Marvel Studios knows their property better than Fox ever did. I think that will be good for the Xmen in general on the small or big screen. I don't think it mean a thing with comic books.
Title: Re: Mr and Mrs X #5
Post by: DonPriceTag on December 02, 2018, 02:19:36 PM
Comics, in general, are dying. Interest in all things X-men are pretty low due to the focus on the MCU and the X-Men, up till now, having no part in it.
Who knows, all that could change with the Disney/Fox acquisition, but I believe a resurgence in X-Men popularity can only come from movies. Movies made by Marvel Studios. The comics can no longer make or break these characters at this point.


Well a sure fire way to kill any action adventure franchise that needs young fans to keep it alive as older ones phase out is take it away from kids for years. No viable toys, clothes or merchandise, kid centered TV... I mean what else would happen?
Title: Re: Mr and Mrs X #5
Post by: killphil on December 02, 2018, 10:11:44 PM

Well a sure fire way to kill any action adventure franchise that needs young fans to keep it alive as older ones phase out is take it away from kids for years. No viable toys, clothes or merchandise, kid centered TV... I mean what else would happen?
I wouldnt go as far as saying it was taken away, it just wasnt marketable in the face of competition. There was an X-Men cartoon 8-9 years ago, but was cancelled. Movies mismanaged and poorly directed doesnt help either.

But the X-men have been visible in media. They have been playable characters in every relevant marvel video game to this day, plus action figures by Hasbro. I play Marvel Contest of Champions, one of the most successful mobile games on the market right now, and there has never been a shortage of X-Men in the game.
Edit: just wanted to add, the only video game in recent history, Marvel vs Capcom Infinity released last year, tanked because the developers didnt listen to the fans and refused to add X-Men characters to the game. It tanked so bad that it has already been abandoned by Capcom. Rumor is the game will be rebranded and relaunched with the X-Men included.
Title: Re: Mr and Mrs X #5
Post by: anya on December 03, 2018, 12:27:08 AM
Ah, the compleX. I wonder how that ‘worked out’, from Disney/marvel’s business perspective? If they thought it was successful or not?


On an only slightly related note, another weird thing about Carey’s creepy/ sexist ‘love’ story. That was about the time marvel was trying to get more new readers, particularly more female readers and that was a story that got approved? Did they really think female readers would like ‘he does terrible things to her and her friends, but she shouldn’t think about it so much...’ And gambit was a character that was already ‘proven’ to be fairly popular with female readers, so they thought it was good idea to squash him? *smdh*
Title: Re: Mr and Mrs X #5
Post by: Toadman005 on December 03, 2018, 12:52:27 PM
Ahhh Racky LeBeau. I am glad I was able to participate in that lampoon