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Title: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: andresa on January 08, 2020, 09:36:19 AM
Excalibur continues to be a piece of s#%@!
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on January 08, 2020, 09:42:06 AM
Yes. It is a total garbage. I hope this book won`t survive second arc.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Meliorist on January 08, 2020, 12:21:08 PM
You know, they say misery loves company but I'm glad you guys are taking the hit for me on this one
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on January 08, 2020, 02:36:35 PM
Wow, that says something. When the most positive folks find a book G is in as s***. Oof.
Don noted on twitter that perhaps the writer and artist are not on the same page.

Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: DonPriceTag on January 08, 2020, 02:54:47 PM
Wow, that says something. When the most positive folks find a book G is in as s***. Oof.
Don noted on twitter that perhaps the writer and artist are not on the same page.


And I mean that wholeheartedly. When I was still reading I found myself reading a page twice or three times because I couldn't figure out how they got from one point to the next. The voices are all off, the pacing is confusing. Gambit acts like an exaggerated XTAS version of himself, and not in the good way.


I can put up with a mediocre book as long as Gambit's in it but if I can't understand what I'm reading? I'm out. Been out of this and I don't miss it. Not when X-Force, X-Men and New Mutants are so good In that order. New Mutants was better in the first 2 or 3 issues. I hope it goes back to focusing on the New Mutants/Generation-X characters.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: X-fan73 on January 08, 2020, 03:15:14 PM
Gambit you are such a trouble maker... I think things are starting to get interesting. Gambit is too hot headed in this series, I'll give people that.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: RomeoSvengali on January 08, 2020, 04:12:00 PM
If there's anyone saying that Tini is still trying to get a hold of the characters... they need to get their head examined... she's just part of a long list of talentless hacks who don't give a f**k about story or character.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Sparta on January 09, 2020, 12:15:10 AM
Hard to get behind DoX when your favourite character is written like complete crap. I know many are complaining about Laura in Fallen Angels and Jean under Hickman, but Gambit is probably the worst written character overall. Probably a front-runner of worst character for 2020 so far. I hear Hickman will be working closely with Howard in this next arc, that leaves me with less confidence considering that Hickman didn't even bother to throw Gambit in a panel in that big Krakoan party in HoX...and he used hundreds of mutants in that event. So don't expect much.


That said, ironically Gambit is the only one that speaks with the most sense. For the life of me, I don't understand how you would allow Apocalypse to order everyone around, and be on the Quiet Council. At the very least Gambit sees through his bs, that's all I've got! Other than that, he's incompetent and obnoxious.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: anya on January 09, 2020, 09:28:09 AM
That’s the frustrating part, because, story-wise, gambit was right, about everything. Apocalypse was up to something, he was using them and did set up rogue and trapped her in a naked, flower coma. But the other characters act like he’s annoying. He was even the one to help her wake up sending Rachel into the dreamscape to find her (of course, this was mostly offf panel,) but he’s still painted as a screw up.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: DonPriceTag on January 10, 2020, 09:26:55 AM

Hard to get behind DoX when your favourite character is written like complete crap. I know many are complaining about Laura in Fallen Angels and Jean under Hickman, but Gambit is probably the worst written character overall. Probably a front-runner of worst character for 2020 so far. I hear Hickman will be working closely with Howard in this next arc, that leaves me with less confidence considering that Hickman didn't even bother to throw Gambit in a panel in that big Krakoan party in HoX...and he used hundreds of mutants in that event. So don't expect much.


That said, ironically Gambit is the only one that speaks with the most sense. For the life of me, I don't understand how you would allow Apocalypse to order everyone around, and be on the Quiet Council. At the very least Gambit sees through his bs, that's all I've got! Other than that, he's incompetent and obnoxious.

I disagree on one point you made. Apocalypse 100% deserves to be on the Quiet Council. For the Krakoa model to work - unlike Jean's half-baked plan in Red - everyone has to be on board. All the mutant power houses and influencers have to tow the line or anything that happens outside of the island would be blamed on them. No different a terrorist group that originates from a country, but said nation does nothing to intervene. They'd be tasked with hunting down their own simultaneously destroying any semblance of unity, thus injuring their bid to be recognized as a real nation.

It's why Sinister is there. They aren't stopping him from experimenting, just making him do it on the island. It's why the Hell Fire Club is still doing business, just under the Krakoan banner. Look at Selene and Emplate - both are active members of the society, at the same time fulfilling a purpose and still feeding themselves at the same time. Exodus is there doing what he does best, protecting the mutant race and seeing that it flourishes.

If Apocalypse was out there doing his own thing, it'd sabotage the whole endeavor. Him wanting to be there and being there makes sense. Its not about being "good enough" or "evil". Its about making it work. What doesn't work for me is the fact that he's a member of an action team. That's nonsense. The man is beyond needing a team. He employs lackies and cohorts (the horsemen) because he doesn't want to bother himself with the unworthy - and he also cant be everywhere at once. By all means, he should be doing for Excalibur, what Sinister does for Fallen Angels. Doesn't get involved, just pulls strings and councils where he sees fit.

I skimmed through the book at the store yesterday... I haven't hated a run this much since Milligan, and I quit comics for the better part of a decade because of that. At least Milligan's writing was decipherable. This was horrible. No one acts or sounds like they should in this book. Apocalypse is talking WAAAAAY too much and must have had a stroke because his vocabulary is horrid. That's not Apocalypse's voice. Those aren't the speech patterns of someone from Ancient Egypt and that's been worshiped as a god for centuries.

Gambit.... my goodness... Gambit, what has this hack done to you? This book has three draws. Psylocke, Rogue and Gambit. Probably in that order. The first has been consistently used and been a focal character for years. Mostly since her initial Uncanny X-Force run. Rogue and Gambit just came off nearly two years of starring in their own books. Rogue has spent the majority of this run just off-panel. When she was awake she was barely recognizable from a character standpoint.

Gambit... he's a moron. Rictor, Rictor of all people called him an idiot this issue. RICTOR IS A FAMOUS AIR-HEAD! What the #$#% does a writer get off using him to belittle Gambit? Gambit's not stupid! Impulsive, sure - but not to a fault. He's a master thief, which means he's calculating. He's definitely not dumb enough to get into a fist fight with Apocalypse! No one this side of the HULK should ever be able to win a fist fight against him! The man just took on THREE NIMRODS a couple months ago! Nimrods! Three! And you telling me, Gambit a seasoned X-Man would throw a punch at him? What the #[email protected]#?!

Of course, Rogue comes in and just does something she, entire teams of X-Men or even Thor hasn't been able to do and just thrashes this man without missing a beat? GTFOH.... I boiled down the weird pacing to Tini and the artist not being on the same page, but that last page didn't in anyway fit the dialogue to the panel. I don't think Tini really knows what shes doing at all. I cant believe people are eating this up. Its bad and nonsensical. The biggest parts of this book is just a mess. The stuff that does work is dwarfed by what doesn't. Its bad.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Sparta on January 10, 2020, 09:12:06 PM
I disagree on one point you made. Apocalypse 100% deserves to be on the Quiet Council. For the Krakoa model to work - unlike Jean's half-baked plan in Red - everyone has to be on board. All the mutant power houses and influencers have to tow the line or anything that happens outside of the island would be blamed on them. No different a terrorist group that originates from a country, but said nation does nothing to intervene. They'd be tasked with hunting down their own simultaneously destroying any semblance of unity, thus injuring their bid to be recognized as a real nation.

It's why Sinister is there. They aren't stopping him from experimenting, just making him do it on the island. It's why the Hell Fire Club is still doing business, just under the Krakoan banner. Look at Selene and Emplate - both are active members of the society, at the same time fulfilling a purpose and still feeding themselves at the same time. Exodus is there doing what he does best, protecting the mutant race and seeing that it flourishes.

If Apocalypse was out there doing his own thing, it'd sabotage the whole endeavor. Him wanting to be there and being there makes sense. Its not about being "good enough" or "evil". Its about making it work. What doesn't work for me is the fact that he's a member of an action team. That's nonsense. The man is beyond needing a team. He employs lackies and cohorts (the horsemen) because he doesn't want to bother himself with the unworthy - and he also cant be everywhere at once. By all means, he should be doing for Excalibur, what Sinister does for Fallen Angels. Doesn't get involved, just pulls strings and councils where he sees fit.

I skimmed through the book at the store yesterday... I haven't hated a run this much since Milligan, and I quit comics for the better part of a decade because of that. At least Milligan's writing was decipherable. This was horrible. No one acts or sounds like they should in this book. Apocalypse is talking WAAAAAY too much and must have had a stroke because his vocabulary is horrid. That's not Apocalypse's voice. Those aren't the speech patterns of someone from Ancient Egypt and that's been worshiped as a god for centuries.

Gambit.... my goodness... Gambit, what has this hack done to you? This book has three draws. Psylocke, Rogue and Gambit. Probably in that order. The first has been consistently used and been a focal character for years. Mostly since her initial Uncanny X-Force run. Rogue and Gambit just came off nearly two years of starring in their own books. Rogue has spent the majority of this run just off-panel. When she was awake she was barely recognizable from a character standpoint.

Gambit... he's a moron. Rictor, Rictor of all people called him an idiot this issue. RICTOR IS A FAMOUS AIR-HEAD! What the #$#% does a writer get off using him to belittle Gambit? Gambit's not stupid! Impulsive, sure - but not to a fault. He's a master thief, which means he's calculating. He's definitely not dumb enough to get into a fist fight with Apocalypse! No one this side of the HULK should ever be able to win a fist fight against him! The man just took on THREE NIMRODS a couple months ago! Nimrods! Three! And you telling me, Gambit a seasoned X-Man would throw a punch at him? What the #[email protected]#?!

Of course, Rogue comes in and just does something she, entire teams of X-Men or even Thor hasn't been able to do and just thrashes this man without missing a beat? GTFOH.... I boiled down the weird pacing to Tini and the artist not being on the same page, but that last page didn't in anyway fit the dialogue to the panel. I don't think Tini really knows what shes doing at all. I cant believe people are eating this up. Its bad and nonsensical. The biggest parts of this book is just a mess. The stuff that does work is dwarfed by what doesn't. Its bad.


Keep in mind Apocalypse wanted Rogue to kill him, that explains why Rogue "beat" him so easily. Your explanations of Apocalypse on the Quiet Council is very plausible. I'll probably have to look at it that way myself. But yes, Apocalypse's dialogue is woeful, and personally he's not all that compelling for me to drive this book. Not sure how long he'll be sidelined for, he's on the cover of the next issue and a few more following it.

The problem with this book is that there's far too much thrown in, we're talking Apocalypse's motives and trying to "align the stars", Betsy becoming the new Captain Britian, Druids and Rictor, comatose Rogue and her visions, Shogo the Dragon, the throne in Otherworld. That's a lot of material for just 5 issues. It's like watching the last season of Game of Thrones where everything was rushed to get all the characters where they needed to be. And maybe Hickman has something to do with this too considering that he's pretty much the editor of these books and is working closely with Tini in this next arc.

There was this one panel about Apocalypse analysing Gambit on the ground saying that there might be something inside him that he needs, that part got me intrigued.
Speculation that Maxime and Manon are Rogue and Gambit's children have resurfaced. I know the twins are in New Mutants, I've read their bios and there's quite a few things that connect. Rogue's pregnancy is once again teased. For me the cover gives it away and all that baby talk and motifs in MMX. I'm just about 100% convinced that she's pregnant (or will be pregnant)...and I've been so for months now.



Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: anya on January 11, 2020, 12:16:26 PM
On rogue beating apocalypse, I will give you that one. He did want her to ‘kills a whatever part of his plan. So yes, she wasn’t just easily able to defeat him, he completely threw the fight.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: thjan on January 11, 2020, 12:27:08 PM
Yep, I have to agree with everyone that Gambit is being written horribly in Excalibur.  And I was so looking forward to it when they announced the title.  Sigh...


I also echo DonPriceTag in that I am getting very major Milligan vibes from this title in regards to Gambit.  Man, I detested Milligan's run and it was the first time I stopped reading a title with Gambit in it.  I am very close to dropping this too since I come away from every issue disappointed with the treatment of Gambit.  He is a dumb, charmless, and incompetent hothead in it that all the other characters rag on for some reason.  I hate that this is the writer that got him first in this new era of the X-Men.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: DonPriceTag on January 12, 2020, 08:35:45 AM

Keep in mind Apocalypse wanted Rogue to kill him, that explains why Rogue "beat" him so easily. Your explanations of Apocalypse on the Quiet Council is very plausible. I'll probably have to look at it that way myself. But yes, Apocalypse's dialogue is woeful, and personally he's not all that compelling for me to drive this book. Not sure how long he'll be sidelined for, he's on the cover of the next issue and a few more following it.

The problem with this book is that there's far too much thrown in, we're talking Apocalypse's motives and trying to "align the stars", Betsy becoming the new Captain Britian, Druids and Rictor, comatose Rogue and her visions, Shogo the Dragon, the throne in Otherworld. That's a lot of material for just 5 issues. It's like watching the last season of Game of Thrones where everything was rushed to get all the characters where they needed to be. And maybe Hickman has something to do with this too considering that he's pretty much the editor of these books and is working closely with Tini in this next arc.

There was this one panel about Apocalypse analysing Gambit on the ground saying that there might be something inside him that he needs, that part got me intrigued.
Speculation that Maxime and Manon are Rogue and Gambit's children have resurfaced. I know the twins are in New Mutants, I've read their bios and there's quite a few things that connect. Rogue's pregnancy is once again teased. For me the cover gives it away and all that baby talk and motifs in MMX. I'm just about 100% convinced that she's pregnant (or will be pregnant)...and I've been so for months now.


Here's my thing about Rogue "killing" Apocalypse. That doesn't really vibe either. Of course, she should be pissed but going from what happened to her to murder? The dialogue between them didn't say "I'm going to kill you" it said "I'm very angry" . Rogue is very cautious about using her powers in that way. She'll drain just about anyone, but to death? Rogue? She murdered Scarlet Witch but didn't drain her and she actually had real beef with her (don't get me wrong that was ooc too). When Rogue goes that far with her powers the victim can get stuck in her head... Permanently. She regretted draining Mystique like that, you think she'd just do the same with Apocalypse? Nah. Don't buy it. The story or the book. I'm saddened that it's cannon now.


That goes back to bad pacing and script issues.

Let me get something straight, they let Apocalypse, political position notwithstanding, pound Gambit into the ground because he deserved it, but stand back and let Rogue murder Apocalypse? Betsy is now plenty fast and strong enough to intervene. No passes for me. No brownie points for some sort of "heart warming reunion".
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: anya on January 13, 2020, 09:23:40 AM
That is also true, that is ooc for rogue. And betsy, naw I ain’t gonna bother helping gambit and rogue is beating apocalypse, oh well... I should probably do something but my nails are get wet and they can both be resurrected
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: malachi on January 13, 2020, 03:01:33 PM

Here's my thing about Rogue "killing" Apocalypse. That doesn't really vibe either. Of course, she should be pissed but going from what happened to her to murder? The dialogue between them didn't say "I'm going to kill you" it said "I'm very angry" . Rogue is very cautious about using her powers in that way. She'll drain just about anyone, but to death? Rogue? She murdered Scarlet Witch but didn't drain her and she actually had real beef with her (don't get me wrong that was ooc too). When Rogue goes that far with her powers the victim can get stuck in her head... Permanently. She regretted draining Mystique like that, you think she'd just do the same with Apocalypse? Nah. Don't buy it. The story or the book. I'm saddened that it's cannon now.


That goes back to bad pacing and script issues.

Let me get something straight, they let Apocalypse, political position notwithstanding, pound Gambit into the ground because he deserved it, but stand back and let Rogue murder Apocalypse? Betsy is now plenty fast and strong enough to intervene. No passes for me. No brownie points for some sort of "heart warming reunion".

Doesn't Rogue feel the changes in her body when she absorbs someone? In this instance she certainly would feel her face morphing, even if she is on a adrenaline high.

I'm so tired of that damn Excalibur book. It's Milligan bad. The difference being that Milligan was having a laugh. Unprofessional as it was. Tini? Who knows. I think she is just not ready for this. Specualtion aside it's obvious she needed a lot more research.

I'm getting tired of the CBR thing also. I have tried seeing it from every angle but people aren't up for any sort of serious discussion. Either you write short "I love it" posts and they are happy or you write longer posts with valid points and get few or next to none responses. Then some troll posts about the negative posters and lately they throw in a line that they like it because Gambit is written bad.
 
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on January 13, 2020, 04:53:49 PM
They are quick to ban at CBR. It's hard to have a discussion there when you have to censor yourself. Purposely skirt ideologies for not wanting to be banned. And some bans are short, others longer.

When I post there, I constantly have to re-word my response because if someone reports the post, banned. Then I spend the time to give a positive because again, its difficult to have a discussion there. After the third of fourth edit, I'm almost in eff it mode. LOL Not to mention the rigmarole for explaining that you're not attacking anyone else's opinion, so that you can give yours. It's fatiguing.

Milligan bad! LOL, love it. we'll just call it MB.

It's clear, all that is wanted there is "I love it" type stuff. Nobody wants to actually delve into the whats wrong or right with the stories. To look at the nuances and figure out what is intriguing or not about the story.

This has been going for far too long. It's only the mom and pop places where you can actually say what you think and survive. :)

My opinion, of course. LOL Sorry its habit now, ingrained.

Edit, I even edit too much here. pfft. Too funny to me.
Icefanatic has forum too. Small like here but safe to have an opinion.http://abetterplace.boards.net/ (http://abetterplace.boards.net/)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: red joseph on January 13, 2020, 04:58:25 PM
I'm getting tired of the CBR thing also. I have tried seeing it from every angle but people aren't up for any sort of serious discussion. Either you write short "I love it" posts and they are happy or you write longer posts with valid points and get few or next to none responses. Then some troll posts about the negative posters and lately they throw in a line that they like it because Gambit is written bad.

I noticed this, a couple of the posters over there are so dead set on the DOX/POX era being a success that they won't except other people having a differing opinion. Thankfully it's only a handful of posters, 95% of people there hate Excalibur.

I'm a fan of DOX/POX but it's a shame that Gambit is in the bland book, he'd fit in so well in a couple of the other titles. I think the writer just sees Gambit as Rogues ineffective husband...... and that's it. The most i think we'll get is another arc of Gambit as Deathbit again via Apocalypse.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: malachi on January 14, 2020, 06:03:13 AM
I noticed this, a couple of the posters over there are so dead set on the DOX/POX era being a success that they won't except other people having a differing opinion. Thankfully it's only a handful of posters, 95% of people there hate Excalibur.

I'm a fan of DOX/POX but it's a shame that Gambit is in the bland book, he'd fit in so well in a couple of the other titles. I think the writer just sees Gambit as Rogues ineffective husband...... and that's it. The most i think we'll get is another arc of Gambit as Deathbit again via Apocalypse.

Back in the day, before Carey, I had my idea of fixing the deathbit mess. Visually it would be a reverse of of color. White skin, black hair more in the defying gravity style Gambit has. Red eyes and probably more nods to Sinisters involvment. Power wise it would be more of a death energy thing. A play on his normal powers. Not perfect by any means but at least more useful and visually interesting then what we got. I wanted Gambit and Angel and some others to assemble a team to hunt down Apocalypse and stop him before the next thing he had planned. Just to try to salvage the mess Milligan had left.

On Excalibur I recently did a reread of Gambit's moments. With the exception of caring for Rogue nothing about it says Gambit or requires it to be Gambit. His powers are not used. I repeat this to emphasise how bad it is. His powers are not used in any way that requires it to be Gambit in that spot. He charms no one. Has no references to earlier relationships. Sure he distrusts Apocalypse but that A-hole has screwed over so many X-mens that you can slot some other character in there. Agility is nonexistent, even worse we have the looney toones moment when he falls in the chasm. There is further more no wit or elegance in his dialouge or movements. Looking at this and the few facts we know about the process behind the book it's hard to think Tini picked Gambit.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Icefanatic on January 14, 2020, 10:07:11 AM
I'm getting tired of the CBR thing also. I have tried seeing it from every angle but people aren't up for any sort of serious discussion. Either you write short "I love it" posts and they are happy or you write longer posts with valid points and get few or next to none responses. Then some troll posts about the negative posters and lately they throw in a line that they like it because Gambit is written bad.

Back when I posted more at CBR and I would make a lengthy, serious post about something and people there would insist how ANGRY my posts were simply because they were lengthy and serious. Like if you actually care about something and try to discuss it at length you are just a raging lunatic.  :idiot2:

They are quick to ban at CBR. It's hard to have a discussion there when you have to censor yourself. Purposely skirt ideologies for not wanting to be banned. And some bans are short, others longer.

When I post there, I constantly have to re-word my response because if someone reports the post, banned. Then I spend the time to give a positive because again, its difficult to have a discussion there. After the third of fourth edit, I'm almost in eff it mode. LOL Not to mention the rigmarole for explaining that you're not attacking anyone else's opinion, so that you can give yours. It's fatiguing.

It's clear, all that is wanted there is "I love it" type stuff. Nobody wants to actually delve into the whats wrong or right with the stories. To look at the nuances and figure out what is intriguing or not about the story.

This has been going for far too long. It's only the mom and pop places where you can actually say what you think and survive. :)

My opinion, of course. LOL Sorry its habit now, ingrained.

Edit, I even edit too much here. pfft. Too funny to me.
Icefanatic has forum too. Small like here but safe to have an opinion.http://abetterplace.boards.net/ (http://abetterplace.boards.net/)

I generally just write up a post at CBR and then delete it before posting.  ;D

Thanks for the shout-out. For anyone interested, I started the 'A Better Place - A Fandom Community Forum' back when CBR was an out-of-control troll board, literally a couple of months before their big reboot. Members were primarily Iceman, Gambit and Nightcrawler fans. I'm the Admin. Neko, CC008 and ProfezzorX are all Mods.

Between people gravitating back to CBR after the reboot and a lot of disatisfaction with comics in general, Marvel in particular and the handling of our favorite characters in particular... activity fell off. I'm as much to blame as anyone for that. I'd hit my limit as a fan on taking crap from Marvel and for awhile I honestly felt like walking away from comics entirely.  :(

I eventually came back (with a vengeance)and I'd love to get ABP built up into what it was originally intended to be, a sensible alternative to CBR and the like. There seems to be this attitude at places like CBR that you either have to have a free-for-all troll board or an internet police state with nothing in-between, and I think most of us would just like a basically decent place to post where you can have sensible and reasonable discussions. Where having an opinion someone doesn't like isn't grounds to have war waged on you, and people don't abuse tools intended to deal with bad posters to silence the good ones  instead.

Any GG members that want to be a part of that are more than welcome. http://abetterplace.boards.net/ (http://abetterplace.boards.net/)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on January 14, 2020, 03:57:51 PM
Back in the day, before Carey, I had my idea of fixing the deathbit mess. Visually it would be a reverse of of color. White skin, black hair more in the defying gravity style Gambit has. Red eyes and probably more nods to Sinisters involvment. Power wise it would be more of a death energy thing. A play on his normal powers. Not perfect by any means but at least more useful and visually interesting then what we got. I wanted Gambit and Angel and some others to assemble a team to hunt down Apocalypse and stop him before the next thing he had planned. Just to try to salvage the mess Milligan had left.
I like your idea for Deathbit. I never liked the gas power, it never made sense and it was the joke Milligan wanted to write and Quesada let him.

On Excalibur I recently did a reread of Gambit's moments. With the exception of caring for Rogue nothing about it says Gambit or requires it to be Gambit. His powers are not used. I repeat this to emphasise how bad it is. His powers are not used in any way that requires it to be Gambit in that spot. He charms no one. Has no references to earlier relationships. Sure he distrusts Apocalypse but that A-hole has screwed over so many X-mens that you can slot some other character in there. Agility is nonexistent, even worse we have the looney toones moment when he falls in the chasm. There is further more no wit or elegance in his dialouge or movements. Looking at this and the few facts we know about the process behind the book it's hard to think Tini picked Gambit.
That is disappointing. It does bother me that those of you still spending time and money on these books are so disappointed with the product.

Unpopular opinion incoming, Gambit has been treated poorly by two women writers. We talk about what he used to be and while Asmus wasn't perfect nor was PAD (though the first few issues weren't bad) until PAD lost interest. Honestly, looking ANXF, it was the Georgia/Quicksilver show. But at least Gambit had some of his created traits.


Outside of action sequences, nothing of importance happened in KT's books. While I know some are completely satisfied with that, it doesn't change the fact there was no story for Gambit. The villain in the mini tailor made for Rogue.

Where would Howard get anything from that, if she is basing her view on the prior book/s, outside of marriage nothing to work with. It's not surprising that he is written they way he is. Sounds like she doesn't have his voice or knows any attributes of the character outside of marriage.

There is nothing wrong with marriage but if any character can take his place then why did they bother with it. That element is not getting anything that would give the relationship merit beyond it just being there.

I made a pact with myself. Twice, the first time was the mini and ongoing. I broke that pact by supporting a book that I didn't like. This time, I've stuck to my pact. I'm not spending money on characters I don't like and Gambit no longer lures me in to break my pact.

My sympathies to those who have been gung-ho with the books that are being let down. I know I gave up but there is nothing so disappointing than spending money for 20 pages of poor content.

My comments are for the sake of discussion and to move us back to Gambit. LOL
Nothing personal, nothing antagonistic, just rolling out an opinion. :)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Icefanatic on January 14, 2020, 05:05:32 PM
That is disappointing. It does bother me that those of you still spending time and money on these books are so disappointed with the product.

Unpopular opinion incoming, Gambit has been treated poorly by two women writers. We talk about what he used to be and while Asmus wasn't perfect nor was PAD (though the first few issues weren't bad) until PAD lost interest. Honestly, looking ANXF, it was the Georgia/Quicksilver show. But at least Gambit had some of his created traits.


Outside of action sequences, nothing of importance happened in KT's books. While I know some are completely satisfied with that, it doesn't change the fact there was no story for Gambit. The villain in the mini tailor made for Rogue.

Where would Howard get anything from that, if she is basing her view on the prior book/s, outside of marriage nothing to work with. It's not surprising that he is written they way he is. Sounds like she doesn't have his voice or knows any attributes of the character outside of marriage.

There is nothing wrong with marriage but if any character can take his place then why did they bother with it. That element is not getting anything that would give the relationship merit beyond it just being there.

I made a pact with myself. Twice, the first time was the mini and ongoing. I broke that pact by supporting a book that I didn't like. This time, I've stuck to my pact. I'm not spending money on characters I don't like and Gambit no longer lures me in to break my pact.

My sympathies to those who have been gung-ho with the books that are being let down. I know I gave up but there is nothing so disappointing than spending money for 20 pages of poor content.

My comments are for the sake of discussion and to move us back to Gambit. LOL
Nothing personal, nothing antagonistic, just rolling out an opinion. :)

I agree with that and I think it's true not just of Gambit but of a number of characters and books. You get a mediocre run, a bad run, another mediocre run... Unless you get a writer with a deep love and understanding of the character and a desire to return them to form, you tend to get a continuation of that. Both Mr. and Mrs. X and X-Men Gold were mediocre books that spent time treading water and retreading old stuff, and yet they got praise from many longtime fans often because they mostly weren't actively crapping on the characters. Iceman in Marauders is basically a continuation of Sina Grace's divisive run with the character from the Iceman solo, so for fans who were hoping for a return to a more classic interpretation of that character... forget it. You could make list.

Excalibur has big problems besides just Gambit. Rogue, Apocalypse and Jubilee are all off on characterization. The story is being poorly told and doesn't make a lot of sense. I don't see a fix for that without a change in writer. I also don't see a chance in hell of that happening. TH seems to be a trendy writer for Marvel who is getting a push right now,  so if the book gets canned eventually due to low sales I expect the characters and the fans will get the blame, not the writer.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on January 14, 2020, 08:51:48 PM
I think maybe, Marvel should rethink their model. 20 pages isn't enough to tell a story. They tell stories but its all about getting from point a to point b, that nuance gets lost. Characterization is lost, relationships are lost. When there was more pages for stories, fans got inner thoughts, side stories and the main story still continued.
They should go back to more pages for story, imo. They're charging too much for 20 pages of content too. IMO.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Sparta on January 15, 2020, 03:53:42 AM
I actually really enjoyed PAD's Gambit on X-Factor. Politics aside, I loved the first half and Gambit's interactions with Polaris and Quicksilver, and the Danger stuff was hilarious. But yes, once Georgia came into it, it lost a lot of momentum. The Wanda guest appearance was good though in that weaker latter half. I don't think Serval ever got a mention again after that.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: malachi on January 15, 2020, 05:09:31 AM
I agree with that and I think it's true not just of Gambit but of a number of characters and books. You get a mediocre run, a bad run, another mediocre run... Unless you get a writer with a deep love and understanding of the character and a desire to return them to form, you tend to get a continuation of that. Both Mr. and Mrs. X and X-Men Gold were mediocre books that spent time treading water and retreading old stuff, and yet they got praise from many longtime fans often because they mostly weren't actively crapping on the characters. Iceman in Marauders is basically a continuation of Sina Grace's divisive run with the character from the Iceman solo, so for fans who were hoping for a return to a more classic interpretation of that character... forget it. You could make list.

Excalibur has big problems besides just Gambit. Rogue, Apocalypse and Jubilee are all off on characterization. The story is being poorly told and doesn't make a lot of sense. I don't see a fix for that without a change in writer. I also don't see a chance in hell of that happening. TH seems to be a trendy writer for Marvel who is getting a push right now,  so if the book gets canned eventually due to low sales I expect the characters and the fans will get the blame, not the writer.

I realised after issue 1 or 2 of Excalibur that I had read something else from Tini. She released a 4 issue mini about Death's head just before excalibur. I grew up with Death's Head 2 so there is some attachement to that corner of Marvel. I only got through 3 issues of that mini. First issue was ok then it got jumbled and messy. She introduced 1 new character: Death's head 3 that was mostly cringy to read. She wrote a ok relationship with Wiccan-Hulkling but that was due to going with the neverending stream of conciousness dialouge mode with them. It drowned out the pages and got a bit boring. Her villain was not a threat. Overall it was written for Young readers that haven't seen Jar Jar binks yet.

KT in general disapointed with to much focus on Rogue. Still there was some good Gambit moments in her Mr&Mrs X run. There was just to few considering it should have been a 50/50 book.

Favorite Gambit writers the latest 10 years:

1: Marjorie Liu(Asmus wrote him with more style but Liu had the character interactions. Loved her Paris arc in X-23)
2: James Asmus. Got the charm and danger.
3: Tom Taylor. Fun, Dangerous, competent and respected by other X-men.
4: KT. Wrote mostly ROMY and while I enjoyed that I missed other aspects of gambit. Last arc was her best Gambit wise.
5: Jeremy Whitely. Wrote X-men monster Unleashed one-shot. Had some fun with Gambit and Laura. Potential in this guy, witch Marvel seems to have missed.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: anya on January 15, 2020, 07:33:21 AM
CBR has gone very hive mind and protective about Hickman and hox. It’s either you love it think it’s brilliant or you’re an idiot (and secretly racist) if you don’t like it.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Icefanatic on January 15, 2020, 08:20:55 AM
I realised after issue 1 or 2 of Excalibur that I had read something else from Tini. She released a 4 issue mini about Death's head just before excalibur. I grew up with Death's Head 2 so there is some attachement to that corner of Marvel. I only got through 3 issues of that mini. First issue was ok then it got jumbled and messy. She introduced 1 new character: Death's head 3 that was mostly cringy to read. She wrote a ok relationship with Wiccan-Hulkling but that was due to going with the neverending stream of conciousness dialouge mode with them. It drowned out the pages and got a bit boring. Her villain was not a threat. Overall it was written for Young readers that haven't seen Jar Jar binks yet.

KT in general disapointed with to much focus on Rogue. Still there was some good Gambit moments in her Mr&Mrs X run. There was just to few considering it should have been a 50/50 book.

Favorite Gambit writers the latest 10 years:

1: Marjorie Liu(Asmus wrote him with more style but Liu had the character interactions. Loved her Paris arc in X-23)
2: James Asmus. Got the charm and danger.
3: Tom Taylor. Fun, Dangerous, competent and respected by other X-men.
4: KT. Wrote mostly ROMY and while I enjoyed that I missed other aspects of gambit. Last arc was her best Gambit wise.
5: Jeremy Whitely. Wrote X-men monster Unleashed one-shot. Had some fun with Gambit and Laura. Potential in this guy, witch Marvel seems to have missed.

I grew up with Death's Head II as well. I picked up the first issue because of the X-Men and really just loved DHII as a character. His dialogue was awesome, almost a proto-Deadpool mixed with Wolverine. I still remember the scene where Rogue tried to absorb him and got overwhelmed by the the people in his head, resulting in her collapsing in his arms.

DHII: "Are you swooning? I didn't know girls still swooned."

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-K0j_6BwkiC4/UxMKqD19x9I/AAAAAAAAJX4/gfe-D9UEIRY/s1600/Death%27s+Head+II+vol+2+1.JPG)

I was excited when I heard about the new DH series but I couldn't get through it, either.  A shame.

I think Mr. and Mrs. X would have been a lot better with a more even focus and less rehashing of past relationships.

CBR has gone very hive mind and protective about Hickman and hox. It’s either you love it think it’s brilliant or you’re an idiot (and secretly racist) if you don’t like it.

There's a lot of that across the industry right now, but CBR is becoming the tip of that spear. Demonize and invalidate all who offer criticism, so they can just dismiss it.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on January 15, 2020, 10:15:10 AM
Congratulations to Remydat, he's going to be a Daddy! Yay! I know he doesn't visit here often but I wanted those here to know. :)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: RomeoSvengali on January 15, 2020, 10:15:44 PM
From Death's Head, to Bêlit, to Strikeforce and now Excalibur, Tini simply can't write any character right, she either thinks it's great or she doesn't care. I've lost count as to how many times the people at CBR have gotten info wrong, they and WatchMojo.com have so many pointless and inaccurate lists, all they do is read from wiki or reddit or not even that. Their profiles say that there comic book, video game, and movie nerds, but that's a crock of s**t. I remember some Summer Special issues that had 48 PAGES! NO ADS!
https://comiconlinefree.com/the-punisher-summer-special/issue-1 (https://comiconlinefree.com/the-punisher-summer-special/issue-1)

But those are separate storylines and the last few pages are usually just an art gallery.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: malachi on January 16, 2020, 08:51:03 AM
From Death's Head, to Bêlit, to Strikeforce and now Excalibur, Tini simply can't write any character right, she either thinks it's great or she doesn't care. I've lost count as to how many times the people at CBR have gotten info wrong, they and WatchMojo.com have so many pointless and inaccurate lists, all they do is read from wiki or reddit or not even that. Their profiles say that there comic book, video game, and movie nerds, but that's a crock of s**t. I remember some Summer Special issues that had 48 PAGES! NO ADS!
https://comiconlinefree.com/the-punisher-summer-special/issue-1 (https://comiconlinefree.com/the-punisher-summer-special/issue-1)

But those are separate storylines and the last few pages are usually just an art gallery.

It seems that way with Tini. Seeing that we have no way of confirming what she thinks the option that she thinks it's great seems more then likely. Add to that the only reviewers of comics these days are skirting on with 8-9,5 for Excalibur it's hard to take them serious. Easy for Tini to slip into a echo chamber of yes people, resulting in that she doesn't improve.

I know that people have different reasons for reading comics but for any long term reader it's hard to think that characters aren't important. The premise of X-men have changed. It's now more about mutants vs the world. Pretty much all we have left is the characters and in general Hickman doesn't care about that. Writting exciting characters aren't his strength. Whitch is odd seeing that he wants to break into Hollywood. With the exception of writting his own movie he has to work with serialised characters in TV. Where it's all about the characters. I loved Fringe, a show I would assume he wanted to work on, but it's 50/50 the science and it's characters. He can't skip on one of them and skate by as he does in comics.

What I'm trying to say is that as long as Hickman is in charge Tini will be in favor. He needs writers that complement him. Not worse versions of him.

My hope now is that a new comic will be launched and Gambit will move over to that one.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on January 16, 2020, 11:02:59 AM
I wouldn`t expect anything good or new for Gambit sooner then Fall 2020.


Excalibur will have at least 12 issues. I think it will end on #12 and then new big crossover will start on June or July for 3 monthes. Of course Gambit will be in limbo the whole Summer because Hickman hates him.


If we will be lucky then he will get some new project or will be just a mutant #8 in some satellite team book again that will start on October or November.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: andresa on January 16, 2020, 12:42:04 PM
I wouldn`t expect anything good or new for Gambit sooner then Fall 2020.


Excalibur will have at least 12 issues. I think it will end on #12 and then new big crossover will start on June or July for 3 monthes. Of course Gambit will be in limbo the whole Summer because Hickman hates him.


If we will be lucky then he will get some new project or will be just a mutant #8 in some satellite team book again that will start on October or November.

Precisely.

How long have we been hoping that Gambit will be back to being what he used to be every time he’s in a new book or a new writer puts their hands on him? I've lost count. Gambit continues to be repeatedly screwed over. 
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: X-fan73 on January 16, 2020, 01:31:16 PM
Whatever is happening in the X-Men universe, it is usually still the Scott Summer show. Worse decision to make him the central focus of the series after Morrison's run. And I like Cyclops!
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Sparta on January 16, 2020, 09:40:09 PM
It looks like Gambit will be a Horseman again, along with Rogue, Jubilee and Rictor...in reference to that ancient war Krakoa had with that other island in HoXPoX.  I think that's what Tini's plans are and probably Hickman's as well considering that he wrote about it in HoXPoX. Apocalypse did see something inside of Gambit just before he got killed off. That's probably in connection with DeathBit. Hopefully it'll be better executed this time...But the signs are there with Rogue and Rictor already.

EDIT: I'll also add that because Apocalypse has aligned himself with Xavier, the Horsemen won't be "evil", it'll be a different approach.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on January 17, 2020, 01:51:17 PM
Surprise


I hope more news like this will bring some good Gambit news

admin edit:bleeding cool's link doesn't work, I removed it. I suggest googling it but they aren't that reliable.
   
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Xtreme Gambit on January 17, 2020, 01:53:53 PM
Quote from: andresa link=topic=4926. msg77419#msg77419 date=1579196524
Precisely. 

How long have we been hoping that Gambit will be back to being what he used to be every time he’s in a new book or a new writer puts their hands on him? I've lost count.  Gambit continues to be repeatedly screwed over. 
It seems indeed, a new creative team puts hands on him. . .
 https://www.newsarama.com/48676-a-new-class-of-teen-mutants-shakes-up-dawn-of-x-in-children-of-the-atom.html
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on January 17, 2020, 02:34:09 PM
Vita Ayala/ Bernard Chang Writer/Artist for the book.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: red joseph on January 17, 2020, 03:23:15 PM
Looks like the new x-book focused on the newer generation of kids.

Sooooo from the sounds of it, this girl is Gambits sidekick?

Hopefully Gambit is portrayed well and i'm happy!
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on January 17, 2020, 03:26:57 PM
(https://i2.wp.com/www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Children_of_the_Atom-scaled.jpg?resize=740%2C1124)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on January 17, 2020, 03:27:30 PM
(https://terrigen-cdn-dev.marvel.com/content/prod/1x/cota2020001_cov.jpg)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: malachi on January 17, 2020, 05:41:00 PM
Cautiously optimistic about this. As long as gambit is given some love and that it's established quickly how, if, much part of this he will have.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on January 17, 2020, 05:55:35 PM
Cautiously optimistic about this. As long as gambit is given some love and that it's established quickly how, if, much part of this he will have.
Me too.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Icefanatic on January 18, 2020, 02:36:37 AM
Congratulations to Remydat, he's going to be a Daddy! Yay! I know he doesn't visit here often but I wanted those here to know. :)

Fakenews!  ;D

Quote
From Remydat at CBR

"Apologies to everyone wishing me congrats as I am not having a baby. When I said currently unborn baby, just meant that said hypothetical child had not been conceived yet rather than a baby being on the way. Poor choice of words as I read it again in light of the responses.
 
 However, I did get engaged in China last week so there is hope for the future."

Congrats on the engagement!
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on January 18, 2020, 01:02:49 PM
Ha! fakenews! Too funny.  Congrats on his engagement.
Ohhhh, I am now understanding the second cover, I just thought it was a variant at first for the Children of the Atom thing. I've been duped twice. LOL :)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: DonPriceTag on January 19, 2020, 03:14:35 PM
I wrote an article about Children of the Atom. It'll be posted soon but I dont believe that they are "side kicks". Whoever this Ayala woman is, she wrote them "like" they were sidekicks. I think this is an elseoworld story that takes place during the 9th life of Moira MacTaggert, or in the near future, but still along the same lines. In the 9th life of Moira, she and Apocalypse allowed Sinister to create what became known as Chimera- custom made mutant soldiers to fight the machine-mutant alliance. The first generation were people with singular powers from past mutants. Which would explain why that girl seems to have Gambit's powers. Later generations had up four power sets like what we saw in Rasputin.


In the 9th life this took place years into the future. This may be the same. IMO Children of the Atom telling the story of that world, or something that happens years for now. Ayala says that they "grew up with posters of Storm and Wolverine" Only way for that to happen is for it to take place years or decades for now... In short, this'll have nothing to do with Gambit. To be honest, if you were Marvel, would you trust a cast of Jean, Cyclops, Angel, Gambit and Nightcrawler to someone that's never written the X-Men, at all? Nah.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: andresa on January 20, 2020, 12:16:32 PM
(https://media.entertainmentearth.com/assets/images/88aa31b4d22349019c8e8e5ec06bcf57lg.jpg)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Sparta on January 20, 2020, 12:26:52 PM
(https://media.entertainmentearth.com/assets/images/88aa31b4d22349019c8e8e5ec06bcf57lg.jpg)


*tears of joy* It's...beautiful!


As biased as this sounds, it's actually one of the best (if not the best) looking Marvel pop I've seen. The pose is perfect, the cards are the big stand-out for me, can't wait to see how it glows. This glow-in-the-dark is scheduled to be released in May, but the regular Gambit pop will be released in June. Hopefully it'll be earlier than that. Pops often do hit the stores before the release date.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: DonPriceTag on January 20, 2020, 02:50:49 PM
Purchased it and Rogue.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: anya on January 20, 2020, 03:36:40 PM
Lol, me too! Now I just have to wait a couple months. It does look good! :D
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Toadman005 on January 21, 2020, 10:14:16 AM
Gambit watch...sorta?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtKbmyPveEI
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on January 22, 2020, 04:57:12 PM
FYI - the other place has gone ban happy. While not permanent bans, probably 7 days and stuff. Just be careful there, there seems to be some over sensitivity because I look at what people have said and can't see why a ban.

Though I expect to be banned anytime when I post there. LOL I've literally burned my dinner, re-wording comments there and being so focused on that, that I forgot I was cooking to begin with.*sigh*

Turns out Excaliber #6 seemed to upset the romys at the other place. While I feel for them, it was good to see the blinders off and actually see what the  Gambit only fans have seen for some time.


When you can read a comment like - "you couldn't try harder much to alienate Gambit's fans"  - that says something.


Gambit's been reduced to Rogue's support character and its not a good read. Gambit is not Gambit. IMO

Edit: Clean up - I'm going to do a 2020 thread for this. I'll move comments and add a link if I remember how to, if not well. You'll figure it out. LOL :)
 
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: bigstupidjellyfish on January 22, 2020, 08:28:15 PM
Lol I got banned for making a joke about there not being a Romy baby.


I think I’m gonna trade wait Excalibur just because it pisses the Romy shippers off. Yeah, Gambit’s portrayal sucks, but someone could come in and say, “I NEED to write Gambit.” At this point though, I just want to bask in Romy shippers displeasure.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: X-fan73 on January 22, 2020, 08:40:49 PM
That hottub scene.. wow! Definitely the most steamiest scene in X-Men comics. I think it would have been smarter if Rogue would have said something like " I don't want to have a baby now, or maybe not in Krakoa since it probably won't last. Could have been a interesting angle.

Yeah, Jelly, I knew you were going to be banned the minute I read your post. I got banned because I decided to create a new account and abandon my old one. They're pretty sensitive over there. 

Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Sparta on January 22, 2020, 09:01:43 PM
I still think Rogue will get pregnant.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on January 22, 2020, 10:08:20 PM
Lol I got banned for making a joke about there not being a Romy baby.


I think I’m gonna trade wait Excalibur just because it pisses the Romy shippers off. Yeah, Gambit’s portrayal sucks, but someone could come in and say, “I NEED to write Gambit.” At this point though, I just want to bask in Romy shippers displeasure.
I wuv you. In a respectful friend way. Gambit is nothing but an attachment to Rogue and that is hard to read.

If romys can't see how bad this is, well .. its on them.

This is the worst couple ever. Gambit has been reduced, think of that as in a cooking thing. He is nothing compared to Rogue. My goodness, can't we kiss her ass more because Gambit is nobody compared to her.

You've got nothing to refute. Gambit has been reduced.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: remydat on January 22, 2020, 10:36:10 PM
Fakenews!  ;D

Congrats on the engagement!


Yeah my bad.  Poor use of language on my part.  Thanks for rne congrats.


Not be around her much as being a Gambit fan is depressing so fogured I would just vent my frustrations on CBR rather than bring it here.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: remydat on January 22, 2020, 10:39:20 PM
I wrote an article about Children of the Atom. It'll be posted soon but I dont believe that they are "side kicks". Whoever this Ayala woman is, she wrote them "like" they were sidekicks. I think this is an elseoworld story that takes place during the 9th life of Moira MacTaggert, or in the near future, but still along the same lines. In the 9th life of Moira, she and Apocalypse allowed Sinister to create what became known as Chimera- custom made mutant soldiers to fight the machine-mutant alliance. The first generation were people with singular powers from past mutants. Which would explain why that girl seems to have Gambit's powers. Later generations had up four power sets like what we saw in Rasputin.


In the 9th life this took place years into the future. This may be the same. IMO Children of the Atom telling the story of that world, or something that happens years for now. Ayala says that they "grew up with posters of Storm and Wolverine" Only way for that to happen is for it to take place years or decades for now... In short, this'll have nothing to do with Gambit. To be honest, if you were Marvel, would you trust a cast of Jean, Cyclops, Angel, Gambit and Nightcrawler to someone that's never written the X-Men, at all? Nah.


Well hopefully if it is the future we can get an appearance from the Witness.  Now that they doing their best to destroy 616 Gambit, The Witness is now officially my canonical version of Gambit.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: bigstupidjellyfish on January 22, 2020, 10:40:29 PM
Another thing to point out:


Gambit is almost surely gonna be making appearances in Children of the Atom, so hopefully Vita can deliver on good Gambit content even if he isn’t a star of the book (and I’ll admit that the idea of Gambit having a sidekick type character sounds fun, I just hope they all have different names. As much as love Kate Bishop and Laura’s stint as Wolverine, it’s led to some arguments and jokes that I’m tired of at this point).
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: remydat on January 22, 2020, 10:56:49 PM
I vote for her name being Vienna.  So named as it is one of tje gambits (opening moves) in chess and one of the few that sounds like a woman's name. Wa
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: malachi on January 23, 2020, 10:03:50 AM
I wuv you. In a respectful friend way. Gambit is nothing but an attachment to Rogue and that is hard to read.

If romys can't see how bad this is, well .. its on them.

This is the worst couple ever. Gambit has been reduced, think of that as in a cooking thing. He is nothing compared to Rogue. My goodness, can't we kiss her ass more because Gambit is nobody compared to her.

You've got nothing to refute. Gambit has been reduced.

I like ROMY. More in theory then what we have gotten on the pages. It should be a no-brainer couple for marvel. Especially for Rogue writers. Here is a character who should love Rogue and let her be herself, because that's the girl he loves. Not this dotting one note punchingbag. Rogue writers should be overjoyed. Pair her up with any other character and they would control her, dot on her or move her away from her roots. Magneto for instance could never have such a free spirited partner. He is all about control and he doesn't conform.

If this is what Marvel wants then lets break them up. When Gambit was single too little was done with that. When he's with Rogue he's just a moon orbiting her. Historically Gambit writers have written a better Rogue then the opposite. So bring in a Gambit fan as a writer. Give the ROMY marriage one last try and then we will see what happens.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Icefanatic on January 23, 2020, 11:22:38 AM
Turns out Excaliber #6 seemed to upset the romys at the other place. While I feel for them, it was good to see the blinders off and actually see what the  Gambit only fans have seen for some time.


When you can read a comment like - "you couldn't try harder much to alienate Gambit's fans"  - that says something.


I saw that there and was going to post the whole paragraph its from here because it is so spot on in it's assessment of what is wrong with Excalibur.

Quote
By AppleJ at CBR

I'm seriously at a loss with this book. You couldn't have tried much harder to alienate Gambit fans. There is absolutely no Blue Team synergy. Rogue and Gambit feel unbalanced and out of character half the time. I didn't find it fun or funny overall save a cute moment here or a neat idea there (firepupRachel, dragon Shogo) and a few sexy panels. It's not hitting me emotionally even when it tries, the plot has seemed almost pointless and yet the characters still seem to serve the plot moreso than the story serving them. It felt like sitting in a room watching other people playing DnD where the characters are just a basic outline, no one can act, and not much actually gets accomplished. There were no amazing fight scenes. At the end of this they still don't feel like any kind of cohesive team. The art has been gorgeous throughout but it's not enough to save the book for me. I still don't know what mutant magic is.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on January 23, 2020, 01:58:08 PM
Oof, this will be long, quoting peeps and all that.  LOL
 
Lol I got banned for making a joke about there not being a Romy baby.


I think I’m gonna trade wait Excalibur just because it pisses the Romy shippers off. Yeah, Gambit’s portrayal sucks, but someone could come in and say, “I NEED to write Gambit.” At this point though, I just want to bask in Romy shippers displeasure.


You said what I thought.

Edit:Comments deemed inappropriate, apologies to anyone or all who may have been offended.
Romeo has a link where you read for free.
Just read it for free.
https://comiconlinefree.com/comic/excalibur-2019 (https://comiconlinefree.com/comic/excalibur-2019)

Another thing to point out:


Gambit is almost surely gonna be making appearances in Children of the Atom, so hopefully Vita can deliver on good Gambit content even if he isn’t a star of the book (and I’ll admit that the idea of Gambit having a sidekick type character sounds fun, I just hope they all have different names. As much as love Kate Bishop and Laura’s stint as Wolverine, it’s led to some arguments and jokes that I’m tired of at this point).

I like the sidekick idea too, I guess we'll see how it turns out. I no longer trust writers or editors with their pr hype for projects. I don't think they purposely try to bamboozle but it happens anyway.
I like ROMY. More in theory then what we have gotten on the pages. It should be a no-brainer couple for marvel. Especially for Rogue writers. Here is a character who should love Rogue and let her be herself, because that's the girl he loves. Not this dotting one note punchingbag. Rogue writers should be overjoyed. Pair her up with any other character and they would control her, dot on her or move her away from her roots. Magneto for instance could never have such a free spirited partner. He is all about control and he doesn't conform.

If this is what Marvel wants then lets break them up. When Gambit was single too little was done with that. When he's with Rogue he's just a moon orbiting her. Historically Gambit writers have written a better Rogue then the opposite. So bring in a Gambit fan as a writer. Give the ROMY marriage one last try and then we will see what happens.

I agree with your assessment. And I also agree that this couple could be written well and possibly win over the Gambit only fan. While it wouldn't be something that would appeal to me but I do recognize a good or well written romance when presented.

 
Yeah, I think Gambit writers do write Rogue well, look at Asmus. I think what bothers me and you've touched on it. Is Gambit's personality and traits have disappeared in general. He has no voice or agency beyond Rogue. It does come down to Rogue's writers as she clearly preferred over the two characters. What is baffling and I've said this before is the last two writers are women. Maybe I'm being sexist but I would have thought women would get romance far more easily than men. I am perplexed because I do read women authors who can write men really well and still keep the female lead strong.
 
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on January 23, 2020, 02:09:40 PM
I haven't read the issue but there is some odd things with the dialogue.

The conversation about having babies. Gambit comes across alright in acknowledging its Rogue's body and that he's fine with the choice. She doesn't want to have a baby, thats fine. It's how it was written that seems to be rubbing the wrong way for some.

There are plenty of people who don't want children, and others who look forward to the experience.

I'm not sure what the writer is trying to say, it could be a hornet's nest if not handled well. The other thing I've noticed people observed is that Rogue was cold to Gambit, like 1990's cold.

It's difficult to buy into the marriage with these sorts of things. Most people talk about children prior to getting married. It's a couple topic, now? - they're talking about it. This really is not a good thing. People get divorced over these sorts of things.

Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: malachi on January 23, 2020, 04:40:30 PM
I wrote an actual review of the damn Excalibur number 6 on CBR. I tried my hardest to be fair but I expect it to be massacred anyway. Gave it a 5. With different categories dividing  the points. The few current reviewers of comics like Excalibur are off on some drug induced journey for Avalon with the scores. Giving issue 1-5 between 8-9,5. Witch is just absurd. 10 is suppose to be the highest. Reserved for your Miller Daredevil, Moore Batman or Morrisson All-star Superman. Yet these people are trying to argue that Excalibur are 8 as lowest. What the heck is a 0 or 1 then? A white paper with a stick figure saying superhero misspelled to "S4per Herg".
Overall Tini has no desire in Gambit beyond Rogue.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on January 23, 2020, 05:55:20 PM
I'm going to post this here. R0d used to post here so, I'll lean a little. He's not visited in some time, so ... here we are.

From the review thread for Excaliber #6. Snipped for the only points I wish to have a response for discussion. :)
 
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R0d: CBR:
Saved the worst for last, man Rogue and Gambit are unbearable in this book, when a writer makes you hate your favorites characters, you know things are beyond bad.

 
Talking about Rogue, she seems cold and uncaring towards Gambit, making it all the more jarring given that Gambit acts in the exact opposite way. That difference makes Gambit look completely emasculated and just pathetic.

 
PS: For those in the Gambit and Rogue pro-divorce camp, if the baby ain't happening then this might be an easy way out in the future and it's pretty simple actually, Gambit wants to have kids at some point but Rogue is determined that she would never want that, then boom clean divorce and no one comes out of it looking like an awful person or a cheater or dead.

 
The coldness doesn't make sense. The conversation about children should have happened before getting married. Prior adaptations lead the reader to believe they wanted a family. There are books with them having children. AU's or not, it showed they had similar goals. The children thing is an obstacle in reality for lots of people and its divorce material.

The thing that makes me think too much is I don't think the children thing is being handled well.

Rogue not wanting children is fine. Gambit wanting children is fine too. Certainly shouldn't be forced to procreate. I think the subject matter is murky. What is trying to be said here in the book, its odd.

 
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Sparta on January 23, 2020, 11:18:04 PM
I'll add this to my previous comment. While I'm still fairly convinced that Rogue is/will be pregnant. I also do strongly believe that there is an Apocalypse-related twist involved. I'm mainly referring to Rogue's dream sequence in #5. Later in that issue Apocalypse sees/senses something inside of Gambit (the remaining Death-persona I'm guessing or seed?), Rogue was under Apocalypse's care while asleep and she absorbed him later on. Gambit and Rogue conceive, that's probably why we have a "sex-in-the-tub" scene. Both now with a connection to Apocalypse. Rogue not wanting a kid probably adds to the angst/drama going forward.

That's my theory anyway. Unless all this baby-talk and symbolism are just throwaway lines that leads to nothing. Which could happen, yes, but it all sounds too anti-climactic and also comes down to poor and lazy writing as well. So for all this foreshadowing...it needs to follow through to something.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: remydat on January 24, 2020, 11:12:13 AM
I am calling the baby being Rogue and Apocalypse's rather than Rogue and Gambit's.  Given how much Tini seems to hate Gambit, it will be fitting that Rogue has a baby for someone else so we can all laugh at the poor chump Gambit.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on January 24, 2020, 12:41:53 PM
No matter who the father is, its a subject that needs to be handled with care. There is all sorts of directions and far too political for a comic book.I don't like the story-line.

Maybe I'm looking at too closely for a comic book.
So, the new ship name is Rocalypse.  LOL
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: DonPriceTag on January 24, 2020, 12:56:35 PM
When did that become political?

Either way, I'm a little disappointed. We've never delighted in others misery before. Strange to see it here. Even stranger to find that anyone here was actually enjoying Excalibur. The book sucks. Not just from how Tini is writing my favorite characters but like everything... It's like she has NO clue about the characters she's writing at all.

About that... EVERY ITERATION OF ROGUE HAS WANTED TO START A FAMILY. This isn't about wanting/ not wanting to have children. That's a choice for everyone. But this doesn't make ANY sense. Not being able to have children has been one of Rogue's biggest fears. This is a woman that feared that she'd never have family. Now she's chosen to never have one? That's not Rogue's mindset. Never been. Never.


In a lot of circles a woman having kids is looked at as some sort of shackle that prevents them from living a better life or playing into a "gender roles". From someone with a wife that wants kids but physically can't, changing Rogue like this on the lines of "just because" is a bit insulting on one end and heartbreaking on another.


And the only thing 'steamy' about the hot tub scene was the @&#& water. I'm glad I bailed on this dumb @&$ book 2 issues in.

And I don't think these kids from Children of the Atom are truly "sidekicks" that #&#& would make zero sense. Vita "like", as in she wrote them 'as if'.

Preference A; this is story about the fodder-class Chimera from Moira's 9th life

Preference B; their members of the mutant worshippers and just obsessive fans. Though that doesn't explain how they grew up with posters of Storm and Wolverine on their walls.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on January 24, 2020, 01:31:25 PM
IMO - It's political because if she does get pregnant, there are decisions to be made, from keeping, d&c procedure/medical options, adoption, and whatever emotional toll that comes with all of that. Add to possible complications with pregnancy that also is a factor. She is saying she doesn't want kids. Getting pregnant when you don't want a baby is a big deal. I know people who got divorced because the wife didn't want children and the hubby did. Again, I'm probably looking too deep into it and glad I don't buy this book.

Despite what the stats say. We've got maybe at most ten posters who participate regularly. Guests who don't bother and spammers who waste my time. And that stat that refers to that large group online, is false information. The site was hit by people who got mad and spent a couple of bucks to have a bot in China hit this site.

Again:
I apologize to any and all who may have been hurt or offended by myself and bigstupidjellyfish.


 
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: DonPriceTag on January 24, 2020, 02:17:50 PM
I'm not sure which parts of that were responses to my post. Little lost. The political question was less about Rogue/Gambit and more about people choosing to have kids or not. I was talking about that. Sorry if I blended thoughts. Wasn't my intention.


And I wasn't aware you were dancing on graves yourself lol. I think we all know your stance by now. That's a reality we're all used to. No harm there. My concern, not for myself because this isn't really much of a way to move me, but it was just odd to see it having as much fans for as against here.


Also the second part about stats... Not sure what that means?


Other than horrid characterization of Gambit throughout this "book" my biggest irk is how this was presented. Rogue has spent 4 out 6 books in a box. She emerges from it, murders Apocalypse in one and then declares that she has no interest in ever having children in the next ... That's not an impossible development. But you know what would have helped? Seeing her come to such a thought logically.


This is a comic book. We have access to her mind. This Tini could have shown us these nightmares she was having throughout the 4 issues she was sidelined. Let us empathize with her. Relate to her. Not just basically say "because". What was also weird is that Gambit was just "oh well". I'd say Gambit was just being supportive and maybe we'll get a more candid  response, but... You know that's not happening.


Like you said Neko, this is a discussion that happens waaaaay before now. Gambit should have had some sort of reaction other than that, but I don't think Tini has it in her to competently navigate a mature discussion from both sides of this particular argument. All we're going to get is Gambit saying "yes, dear". I've NEVER used the word cuck but @&##&# @&#&#.


Yes it's her body. She should have final say. But that's not how marriage works. At least not it's supposed to work. The fact that  Gambit has no say in such a decision should have been what made him at least question it. She had a bad dream, so she shut down her womb? That's it? Case closed? Tini's a hack.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on January 24, 2020, 03:35:06 PM
Its all good. It was a meaningless tangent to downplay opinions and purchasing habits. People aren't using forums for decision making when buying comic books.  We're not influencing is all. :)
As for the rest of your comments, agree.



Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Toadman005 on January 24, 2020, 03:37:25 PM
Remy LeCuck.


Ugh.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: malachi on January 24, 2020, 04:23:35 PM
Other than horrid characterization of Gambit throughout this "book" my biggest irk is how this was presented. Rogue has spent 4 out 6 books in a box. She emerges from it, murders Apocalypse in one and then declares that she has no interest in ever having children in the next ... That's not an impossible development. But you know what would have helped? Seeing her come to such a thought logically.


This is a comic book. We have access to her mind. This Tini could have shown us these nightmares she was having throughout the 4 issues she was sidelined. Let us emphasize with her. Relate to her. Not just basically say "because". What was also weird is that Gambit was just "oh well". I'd say Gambit was just being supportive and maybe we'll get a more candid  response, but... You know that's not happening.


Like you said Neko, this is a discussion that happens waaaaay before now. Gambit should have had some sort of reaction other than that, but I don't think Tini has it in her to competently navigate a mature discussion from both sides of this particular argument. All we're going to get is Gambit saying "yes, dear". I've NEVER used the word cuck but @&##&# @&#&#.


Yes it's her body. She should have final say. But that's not how marriage works. At least not it's supposed to work. The fact that  Gambit has no say in such a decision should have been what made him at least question it. She had a bad dream, so she shut down her womb? That's it? Case closed? Tini's a hack.


I keep thinking about AoA Rogue with her son Charles. Or exile character Magnus, who ofc is the son of Rouge and Magneto. Both times Rogue is a very devoted mother and happy that she has a child. A character who wanted children.


Tini either doesn’t understand how bad she is or she doesn’t care? It’s like she is trying to provoke us with how she jumps from bad interaction to another.


Pregnancy is a question for the woman if she wants to or not. Her body, her choice. At least that’s my stance. Either way the reason to stay is equally Gambits. There where talks about how they wanted a family. If she changes her mind then Gambit can just as easy change his about the marriage.


I’m amazed how bad this is. Tini manages to makes us feel that she both has to many pages and to few to tell this story. She skips important scenes and talks while giving us either to decompressed nothing scenes or too compressed important scenes. Its amazing.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: DonPriceTag on January 24, 2020, 05:15:28 PM

I keep thinking about AoA Rogue with her son Charles. Or exile character Magnus, who ofc is the son of Rouge and Magneto. Both times Rogue is a very devoted mother and happy that she has a child. A character who wanted children.


Tini either doesn’t understand how bad she is or she doesn’t care? It’s like she is trying to provoke us with how she jumps from bad interaction to another.


Pregnancy is a question for the woman if she wants to or not. Her body, her choice. At least that’s my stance. Either way the reason to stay is equally Gambits. There where talks about how they wanted a family. If she changes her mind then Gambit can just as easy change his about the marriage.


I’m amazed how bad this is. Tini manages to makes us feel that she both has to many pages and to few to tell this story. She skips important scenes and talks while giving us either to decompressed nothing scenes or too compressed important scenes. Its amazing.


You forgot Becca and Oliver from The End/ GeneXt


And 100% you can't force anyone to have a child. But you also can't just change your mind due to a bad dream without a WTF fueled discussion to follow it. That's a huge blindside. Not just to Gambit but the fans that understand this character.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: malachi on January 24, 2020, 05:41:35 PM

You forgot Becca and Oliver from The End/ GeneXt


And 100% you can't force anyone to have a child. But you also can't just change your mind due to a bad dream without a WTF fueled discussion to follow it. That's a huge blindside. Not just to Gambit but the fans that understand this character.


Oh yeah I agree with you 100%. My point was more if Rogue just changes her mind like a flip of a coin then Gambit can do the same. He’s not forced to just follow her lead. It’s bad writing and it opens up this can of worms when nothing really matters and characters change without showing us how or why. So I agree with you.


That scene bothers me because even if Rogue changes her mind, and Gambit understands that, nothing happens. It’s a monumental decision that is just handwaved away.


I recently ended my engagement and the girl in question didn’t want to have children. I never gave it much thought before her but when she brought it up I started thinking about it. At that direct moment. I respected her and didn’t want to jump any kind of gun by stating something definitive. Still it was monumental and I had opinions and I had to address them. Gambit just doesn’t have any witch makes the scene feel unrealistic and flat. He just stands there like some cutout cardboard version of a husband. Not even a response if he wanted, want or might want.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: RomeoSvengali on January 25, 2020, 12:20:37 AM
In the messed up mind of Tini Howard, husband's don't get any say in the decision making of a marriage, such as having kids, and Howard will use whatever poor excuse in the dialog to justify it.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Sparta on January 26, 2020, 10:49:41 AM
Excalibur #9 cover...


https://www.newsarama.com/48769-behold-the-starlight-citadel-in-excalibur-9-cover.html (https://www.newsarama.com/48769-behold-the-starlight-citadel-in-excalibur-9-cover.html)


No Apocalypse, who I'm getting bored and tired of already. But covers are misleading...so...
The art's nice though...very 1980's.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on January 26, 2020, 01:37:34 PM
What's a ominverse?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Icefanatic on January 27, 2020, 07:54:44 AM
What's a ominverse?

https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Omniverse (https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Omniverse)

Quote
The Omniverse is the collection of every single universe, multiverse, megaverse, dimension (alternate or pocket) and realm. This includes not only Marvel Comics, but also DC Comics (https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/DC_Comics), Image, Dark Horse, Archie, Harvey, Shueisha, Boom Studios, Rebellion, Dynamite, IDW, Graphic India, Derby Pop, Vertigo, Oni Press, Udon, Valiant, and every universe ever mentioned or seen (and an infinite amount never mentioned or seen) including our own world (https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Earth-1218). Everything is in the Omniverse, and there is only one Omniverse. According to the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe: Alternate Universes (https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Official_Handbook_of_the_Marvel_Universe_Vol_4_17), "It includes every single literary, television show, movie, urban legend, universe, realm, etc. ever. It includes everyone from Popeye to Rocky Balboa to Ronald Reagan to Romeo and Juliet to Luke Skywalker to Snoopy to Jay and Silent Bob, etc." This includes universes outside of American and European western comics, such as Dragon Ball, Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, Ghost in the Shell and etc. eastern comic book media. The Omniverse is EVERY reality, including those published by all other companies. Even fan-fictions, cancelled works, mere fantasies, wishes of thoughts created by people, future comic book publishing companies and fictional universes yet to be published are considered part of the Omniverse; simply put, the Omniverse is every version of reality and existence imaginable
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on January 27, 2020, 03:30:43 PM
Don's article about Excaliber #6. Well written Don.
https://boundingintocomics.com/2020/01/27/x-men-marvel-comics-and-tini-howard-change-a-fundamental-aspect-of-rogue-in-excalibur-6/
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: DonPriceTag on January 27, 2020, 07:15:06 PM
Tried my best not to rant.  :-[
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Sparta on January 28, 2020, 02:57:23 AM
This book's reviews over at Comicbook Round Up are pretty strong. This last issue's got an 8.6. A lot of praise for the Rogue/Gambit scene too. Maybe they were distracted by the nudity???

Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: DonPriceTag on January 28, 2020, 11:07:08 AM
Got to keep in mind a lot of these sites will tow the line just ensure they continue to get press passes, advanced copies of books and exclusive interviews. Most media sites, especially pop-culture sites are dominated by the threat of "access". Also, there are just people out there that like this sort of writing. Personally, it's not for me. I read to get into a story. I love Gambit, but I'll read books that he's not in, as long as it's a good read! This... isn't a good book. It's not well constructed, or paced. The dialogue and script are choppy and, as we've said, the characterizations are horrible. When writing characters in a shared universe, a writer has to keep in mind how the characters are behaving outside of their book. Apocalypse isn't speaking or behaving in other books as he is here. Rogue and Gambit are not the same ones we saw coming out of R&G or MMX. Jubilee's personality is completely different and Betsy is unrecognizable. A woman with the background she's had with deathseed and horsemen is really OK being around Apocalypse, and just let him smash a teammate in Gambit without blinking an eye? Betsy's historically too passionate, honorable, and loyal to act like this throughout 6 issues.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: remydat on January 28, 2020, 07:29:20 PM
Remy LeCuck.


Ugh.



Can't tell if that is an upgrade from Racky LeBeau or not.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Sparta on January 29, 2020, 01:42:17 AM
Just some info about the Gambit pops...I just pre-ordered from my local collectors store. The 'Regular Gambit' and the 'Exclusive Glow Gambit' (and the two Rogues as well). Here in Australia, they're coming out March 31. My local store generally get things very early though. But yeah not far off...
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Toadman005 on January 29, 2020, 01:45:49 PM

Can't tell if that is an upgrade from Racky LeBeau or not.


haha well, I'd offer to photoshop the character but...given the subject/term....  ;D
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on January 29, 2020, 05:41:47 PM
Irene, Rogue and Gambit's kid from a Captain Marvel issue written by KT.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Sparta on January 30, 2020, 07:47:27 AM
(https://boundingintocomics.com/files/2020/01/2020.01.26-06.55-boundingintocomics-5e2de08f808da.jpg)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: anya on January 30, 2020, 09:20:09 AM
Irene, Rogue and Gambit's kid from a Captain Marvel issue written by KT.
Not the most original character design, but it’s cute that she has ‘dad’s eyes.’
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Toadman005 on January 30, 2020, 09:58:05 AM
(https://boundingintocomics.com/files/2020/01/2020.01.26-06.55-boundingintocomics-5e2de08f808da.jpg)


Cringe.  :-\
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Sparta on January 30, 2020, 04:40:58 PM
lol, I think it's a really good thing that Gambit's in 2 books, if one stinks, then there's another avenue.
Will he play a significant role in this new book? Maybe not...but if he's written respectfully, that's all I ask for at this point.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Toadman005 on January 31, 2020, 10:32:28 AM
Dollars to donughts, he'll get punched by his younger, female, token replacement. She'll do something awesome he couldn't.


I mean, for f***s sake...even if she has the ability to kinetically charge like Remy, she knows how to throw playing cards too? GIVE ME A BREAK!
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Toadman005 on January 31, 2020, 04:53:21 PM
Punked. Not punched.


Well, he might get punched.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: DonPriceTag on February 02, 2020, 11:26:09 AM
Hmm... I'm still hoping Gambit and company aren't in this book at all and that all this is a story of what occurred during Moira's 9th life. Otherwise, this isn't going to make much sense without a bunch of reaching and suspension of disbelief.


My hope/theory:


All "sidekicks" are in fact various chimera created from the DNA templates of the X-Men we know.


Why:


The first gen Chimera possessed only one power and were considered "fodder" due to not being able to last very long in battle against the powerful man/machine forces. Vita (writer) described her creations as people that "grew up with posters of Storm/ Wolverine". That's basically impossible, assuming that's exactly what she meant.


I've seen a few horrible ideas online, not horrible as in 'bad idea' but not something I could imagine that anyone would want to read. Ive seen people pitch that they are using "super suits" or that they are cosplayers. While the 'super suit' idea stinks, but isn't too ridiculous - who in the world would want to read a book about some cosplayers? There does exist a cult of mutant worshipers and they could easily be members of them, but again... a book about that? I'd much rather this be about the Chimera, the lives they led, the propaganda they were fed and how it all led to the fall of Mars, and the exodus to Shi'ar space station Benevolence and conscription into the empire's armed forces.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: malachi on February 02, 2020, 08:00:01 PM
Hmm... I'm still hoping Gambit and company aren't in this book at all and that all this is a story of what occurred during Moira's 9th life. Otherwise, this isn't going to make much sense without a bunch of reaching and suspension of disbelief.


My hope/theory:


All "sidekicks" are in fact various chimera created from the DNA templates of the X-Men we know.


Why:


The first gen Chimera possessed only one power and were considered "fodder" due to not being able to last very long in battle against the powerful man/machine forces. Vita (writer) described her creations as people that "grew up with posters of Storm/ Wolverine". That's basically impossible, assuming that's exactly what she meant.


I've seen a few horrible ideas online, not horrible as in 'bad idea' but not something I could imagine that anyone would want to read. Ive seen people pitch that they are using "super suits" or that they are cosplayers. While the 'super suit' idea stinks, but isn't too ridiculous - who in the world would want to read a book about some cosplayers? There does exist a cult of mutant worshipers and they could easily be members of them, but again... a book about that? I'd much rather this be about the Chimera, the lives they led, the propaganda they were fed and how it all led to the fall of Mars, and the exodus to Shi'ar space station Benevolence and conscription into the empire's armed forces.

It's a rather risky endevaour this book. With the few details we have so far It's hard for me to figure out how I feel.

I don't beleive that this new character cna in any way overshadow or replace Remy. For however few issues there are. So in that aspect I think it will just bolster his status inside of the X-men franchise. Hopefully lead to some good appereances in the actual comic too.

On ideas for it I find it hard to imagine children growing up with X-men posters considering how hated they where, or how unknown to the general populace. Very rebel counter culture kids if so. Also the sliding timeline that I'm no longer trying to understand.

On idea's some of teh designs tell of technology agumented characters. The Nightcrawelr for one. With the Gambit-Girl having tampered eyes. So perhaps some mix of technology and gene splicing? Even so are teh X-men themselves doing this? Supporting some sort of program where you get to become your favorite X-men? Saving them from some nefarious scientist? A spy program to sabotage teh X-men?

It's tricky also with the previous generations of younger mutants. Do we need new characters? More books? How many books will the line support?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: DonPriceTag on February 02, 2020, 11:34:37 PM
As many as people will buy. You remember what Marvel did after the Avengers movie, right? Same thing. They're flooding the market. And my "previous generations" idea is strictly tethered to them exploring Moira's 9th life from Powers of X. It'd essentially be an elseworlds kind of story and have zero bearing on any character or storyline currently running due to that universe being erased when Moira was reborn and relived her life.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on February 03, 2020, 03:49:27 PM
 https://twitter.com/Doncates/status/1224179003151482882 (https://twitter.com/Doncates/status/1224179003151482882)

If you could pick one X-Men character to write a solo series for, who would it be?

 
Donny Cates: Gambit

 
We need to support it and save Remy from Excalibur or Hikman trolling.All in everyone who have twitter. We need to show Marvel and Cates that there are fans and demand for such book.Don, maybe you can make an article about this in some way?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: DonPriceTag on February 03, 2020, 09:27:02 PM
Cates wrote Venom, right?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: DonPriceTag on February 04, 2020, 12:42:00 AM
I also don't think it happened just by chance. Cates may genuinely want to write the book and with it being open season on X-Men, he may see this as a way of creating interest. Who knows.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on February 04, 2020, 02:20:31 AM
Cates wrote Venom, right?


Yes, he is still writing it. Successful ongoing. Arindam loved that book.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on February 04, 2020, 02:22:40 AM
I also don't think it happened just by chance. Cates may genuinely want to write the book and with it being open season on X-Men, he may see this as a way of creating interest. Who knows.


Would love it to be true but won`t hope too much. We know that Bunn pitched Gambit solo not once but Marvel wasn`t interested in it. But Cates is big right now at Marvel. Also I never read Guardians of Galaxy but I really loved Cates` GOG. First arc is crazy good.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: DonPriceTag on February 04, 2020, 11:02:16 AM
Anyone else notice a sudden up-tick in Gambit related media on Twitter between yesterday and today?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Icefanatic on February 04, 2020, 11:21:32 AM
Cates wrote Venom, right?

And Silver Surfer Black, which I thought was the best depiction of SS in a long time. He's currently relaunching Thor and the first two issues have been fantastic. He's IMHO not only one of Marvels best current writers, probably the best,  but one of the best in comics right now period. Not only tells good stories, but does a great job of handeling the characters, really getting who they are.

I would LOVE to read a Donny Cates Gambit book.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on February 04, 2020, 01:16:56 PM
Anyone else notice a sudden up-tick in Gambit related media on Twitter between yesterday and today?
More than usual. Dawn of X vol 3 might be something. Gambit is on the cover anyway. Guess we'll find out then how much Hickman likes Gambit.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on February 04, 2020, 04:47:50 PM
More than usual. Dawn of X vol 3 might be something. Gambit is on the cover anyway. Guess we'll find out then how much Hickman likes Gambit.


Nah. It is just a trade cover for #3 issues of all 6 ongoings.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on February 04, 2020, 04:49:24 PM
Anyone else notice a sudden up-tick in Gambit related media on Twitter between yesterday and today?

 Coincidence. Well, fans are hungry for some good stories.
 
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: DonPriceTag on February 04, 2020, 06:37:41 PM
I don't think anything concerning the Disney machine is an accident. When projects start coming up the same thing happens on YouTube. Creators with no connection to each other all start dropping videos along the same topics. I wouldn't be surprised if that was tweet was planned, or at least something to test the waters. Which does bode well for your "support the idea" push. Oh, the article is written. Just being edited and waiting to be published.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on February 04, 2020, 06:49:15 PM

Nah. It is just a trade cover for #3 issues of all 6 ongoings.
They're collecting all 6 on-goings? Glad you told me. I liked the cover but Gambit isn't in it,  not buying. LOL
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on February 05, 2020, 01:01:39 AM
I don't think anything concerning the Disney machine is an accident. When projects start coming up the same thing happens on YouTube. Creators with no connection to each other all start dropping videos along the same topics. I wouldn't be surprised if that was tweet was planned, or at least something to test the waters. Which does bode well for your "support the idea" push. Oh, the article is written. Just being edited and waiting to be published.


Wow! You are fast! Awesome! Can't wait to read it!


Ofcourse I hope I would love it to be planned. Just don't want to hope and be dissapointed again.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on February 05, 2020, 01:02:19 AM
They're collecting all 6 on-goings? Glad you told me. I liked the cover but Gambit isn't in it,  not buying. LOL


Yes. No reason to buy it.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: anya on February 05, 2020, 09:08:40 AM
Technically, it’s the number 3 issues of all the ongoing. So gambit is in it, but in Excalibur 3, which you probably don’t really want. ;) and is it just me or is that a bizarre way to collect for a trade?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on February 05, 2020, 10:59:38 AM
Technically, it’s the number 3 issues of all the ongoing. So gambit is in it, but in Excalibur 3, which you probably don’t really want. ;) and is it just me or is that a bizarre way to collect for a trade?
Explains all the names on the cover. Heh heh, I see what they're are doing. Those who trade wait will have to buy all the volumes to get the whole thing instead of buying just the one trade for whatever is the favored book. Clever, may backfire but I guess we'll see how that marketing works. It's a complete-ist nightmare.

Good to know that its Excaliber, you are right. I refuse to spend money on that book. LOL
edit: wow, just thinking about these volumes, so 6 on-goings in one volume on a per issue collection (all #1's, all #2's, etc). If there are twelve issues, twelve volumes at anywhere from $25 - $35 a pop. Ouch.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on February 06, 2020, 09:50:33 AM
They are collecting the usual way too. Icefanatic found this info.

Volume #1 of Excalibur collecting the first six issues will be out in May.

Excalibur by Tini Howard Vol. 1 Paperback – May 5, 2020 (http://redirect.viglink.com?key=71fe2139a887ad501313cd8cce3053c5&subId=5732327&u=https%3A//www.amazon.com/Excalibur-Tini-Howard-Vol-1/dp/1302919911)

Volume #1 of Marauders collecting the first six issues will be out in April.

Marauders by Gerry Duggan Vol. 1 Paperback – April 28, 2020 (http://redirect.viglink.com?key=71fe2139a887ad501313cd8cce3053c5&subId=5732327&u=https%3A//www.amazon.com/Marauders-Gerry-Duggan-Vol-1/dp/1302919946)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: cajunpirate on February 06, 2020, 01:41:25 PM
I see Fantomex is coming back. Didn't Gambit owe him some kind of favor from Astonishing? Was that ever revealed?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: bark_no_byte on February 06, 2020, 02:58:13 PM
I see Fantomex is coming back. Didn't Gambit owe him some kind of favor from Astonishing? Was that ever revealed?


Not yet. Hopefully it's dropped because I thought that him owing Fanto a favor was dumb anyways.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on February 07, 2020, 05:03:47 AM
Ugh, Fanto


(https://community.cbr.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=92795&stc=1&d=1581002790)

Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: DonPriceTag on February 11, 2020, 07:18:50 AM
...so, he's brushing her hair?


Seriously, though, what the @&#& is going on?!
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on February 11, 2020, 09:07:49 AM
At this point I just waiting when Excalibur will be cancelled and Gambit will move to a new project.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on February 11, 2020, 11:58:29 AM
...so, he's brushing her hair?


Seriously, though, what the @&#& is going on?!
This just fuels my suspicions about the writer's pov, that it is from a perspective that lacks knowledge of this coupling because it is not relatable to that person.

Edit: I don't care what the other thread and place says, its not adorable. And it further emasculates Gambit who has lost not only agency, but anything manly about him. IMO
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Sparta on February 11, 2020, 09:46:45 PM
Another Gambit Pop Vinyl (Bo Staff) will be available at Emerald City Comic-Con...


https://www.bleedingcool.com/2020/02/11/funko-emerald-city-comic-con-reveals-marvel-edition/ (https://www.bleedingcool.com/2020/02/11/funko-emerald-city-comic-con-reveals-marvel-edition/)


Along with Toad and Dr Doom.
So three Gambit pops are now available after waiting all these years. There's also Zatanna which I'll be pre-ordering...


(https://mlpnk72yciwc.i.optimole.com/w:679/h:679/q:90/https://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/marvel-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on February 12, 2020, 02:16:43 PM
From the romy thread at the other place. Excaliber #7

Gambit is still angry. Rogue lost some IQ, nor does she support her husband. As in he expresses frustration and distrust of Poccy, and Rogue doesn't care, not empathic at all.

Why are they married? Seriously, this is a farce and is not a good representation of marriage in general.


Gambit's powers were ineffectual.

Gambit the only one not drinking the kool-aid that is Apocalypse. The rest of cast making fun of him and he had to be saved by Betsy. What happened to his powers? We don't know.

7 issues in and mutant magic still not explained.

Edit: from the review thread, its believed that Gambit is behaving the way he is as possible pay off later of "I told you so" type thing, that showcasing his convictions may lead to that. Still, Rogue is not supportive of him or his fears.

I have lots I could say but will hold my tongue for now.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Sparta on February 12, 2020, 08:55:45 PM

Gambit the only one not drinking the kool-aid that is Apocalypse.


This is the only thing I can salvage out of Gambit's poor characterisation in this series. As badly as he's written, I actually do agree with him.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: DonPriceTag on February 13, 2020, 07:58:36 AM
From the romy thread at the other place. Excaliber #7

Gambit is still angry. Rogue lost some IQ, nor does she support her husband. As in he expresses frustration and distrust of Poccy, and Rogue doesn't care, not empathic at all.

Why are they married? Seriously, this is a farce and is not a good representation of marriage in general.


Gambit's powers were ineffectual.

Gambit the only one not drinking the kool-aid that is Apocalypse. The rest of cast making fun of him and he had to be saved by Betsy. What happened to his powers? We don't know.

7 issues in and mutant magic still not explained.

Edit: from the review thread, its believed that Gambit is behaving the way he is as possible pay off later of "I told you so" type thing, that showcasing his convictions may lead to that. Still, Rogue is not supportive of him or his fears.

I have lots I could say but will hold my tongue for now.


To get an "I told you so" at some point we have to read him being a whiny b***h? No. I'll continue to pass.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: malachi on February 13, 2020, 05:54:41 PM
Whatever sort of payoff on that Apocalypse plotline with Gambit won't be enough. It has gone on for too long and especially too deep. It feels like Tini knows the end goal and thinks that whatever abuse Gambit suffers now will be worth it later on. It's just so bad. Not only does it require Gambit to behave like an idiot with the warwolf scene it also requires the rest of the team to bully him, kindergarten style. Betsy is the worst X-men leader I have seen. It's a real hatchetjob on her when she's with her team.

Best case scenario: Gambit quits the team. Tells Betsy some harsh truths and then the rest of the team can fend for themselves. Rogue will then skip into support role for Betsy, where Tini wants her. She can be her BFF and tell her how strong she is.

I can't even remember that much interaction between Rogue and Betsy. Even when they have been on so many teams through the years.

This issue is the first that even the reviewrs are questioning. It's down from 9's to one or two 6's. My takeaway: comicreviewrs are a joke. It's mollycodling all teh way. If I was a writer or artist I would just skip reading them. If I worked for Marvels PR department I would read them.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Sparta on February 13, 2020, 09:52:59 PM
Whatever sort of payoff on that Apocalypse plotline with Gambit won't be enough. It has gone on for too long and especially too deep. It feels like Tini knows the end goal and thinks that whatever abuse Gambit suffers now will be worth it later on. It's just so bad. Not only does it require Gambit to behave like an idiot with the warwolf scene it also requires the rest of the team to bully him, kindergarten style. Betsy is the worst X-men leader I have seen. It's a real hatchetjob on her when she's with her team.

Best case scenario: Gambit quits the team. Tells Betsy some harsh truths and then the rest of the team can fend for themselves. Rogue will then skip into support role for Betsy, where Tini wants her. She can be her BFF and tell her how strong she is.

I can't even remember that much interaction between Rogue and Betsy. Even when they have been on so many teams through the years.

This issue is the first that even the reviewrs are questioning. It's down from 9's to one or two 6's. My takeaway: comicreviewrs are a joke. It's mollycodling all teh way. If I was a writer or artist I would just skip reading them. If I worked for Marvels PR department I would read them.


If he gets that payoff, for what we know, Betsy will take the credit.
The story itself was more coherent than the previous ones, it flowed a lot better, but I wasn't too keen on the art...and the characters remain off. Betsy seems fine (though gullible), but I'm bored with the Braddock dynamic.

Gambit will be in this for the long haul I think, there's been seeds planted and he's part of Apocalypse's plans. It sounds like it's building up to a Horseman plot, Rogue and Rictor are already connected to Apocalypse and Gambit's a former Horseman and hasn't technically fully recovered from. Remember the Horseman played a role on HoX/Pox. They're not going to just have Gambit abruptly leave and abandon the plot, they are going to follow through with it.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: malachi on February 13, 2020, 10:15:11 PM

If he gets that payoff, for what we know, Betsy will take the credit.
The story itself was more coherent than the previous ones, it flowed a lot better, but I wasn't too keen on the art...and the characters remain off. Betsy seems fine (though gullible), but I'm bored with the Braddock dynamic.

Gambit will be in this for the long haul I think, there's been seeds planted and he's part of Apocalypse's plans. It sounds like it's building up to a Horseman plot, Rogue and Rictor are already connected to Apocalypse and Gambit's a former Horseman and hasn't technically fully recovered from. Remember the Horseman played a role on HoX/Pox. They're not going to just have Gambit abruptly leave and abandon the plot, they are going to follow through with it.


I Hope not we get another horseman plot. We already have the OG horsemen plot going on. It’s comical. Apocalypse can’t help himself. He sees horsemen everywhere.


At this time I’m thinking about dumping it. It’s my only monthly comic. What’s stopping me is pure naive optimistic stupidity. Sort of “at least she can’t write him worse” and then I read the war wolf scene...
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: anya on February 14, 2020, 10:26:47 AM
That was so bizarre, gambit sees random civilian, goes to see what’s wrong. Civilian turns out to be a war wolf betsy jumps in. Betsy says I was trying to tell you that warwolves steal skins. Trying to tell you, not I told you before, trying to tell you. Isn’t this something she should have told the team before sending them out to hunt warwolves? And at the beginning of the book, crazyJamie is mocking betsy for going to see apocalypse to get her ‘marching orders’ and she throws a psychic knife at him, because Girl Power.  It when she actually sees apocalypse she says You’ve been up to stuff, I have to protect Otherworld. Apocalypse says I’m not doing anything. Here’s my random book about magic to prove it. ‘Oh, that does ease my mind’ And then Apocalypse gives her her marching orders. *face palm*


Really? She saw with her own eyes, him manipulating everyone in the first arc, but his random book about magic puts her mind at ease? How does that work? And gambit doesn’t get ‘grumpy’ again til he finds out the that betsy lies to him to get him to go hunt warwolves for apocalypse. Why? Why does she need to trick him into doing this? And then, don’t even tell him want warwolves can do.*double face palm*



Really
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: DonPriceTag on February 18, 2020, 11:51:26 AM
Hatchet job incoming...

https://youtu.be/nDL2r2tNKZ4
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Sparta on February 18, 2020, 12:45:23 PM
Hatchet job incoming...

https://youtu.be/nDL2r2tNKZ4 (https://youtu.be/nDL2r2tNKZ4)


Nice to see those old highlights where he actually beat A-List characters. Now he needs assistance to defeat a single Warwolf...he can't even balance his feet anymore.
Also nice to know people think Gambit can still win fights. They must not be reading comics.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on February 19, 2020, 06:03:05 AM
Hatchet job incoming...

https://youtu.be/nDL2r2tNKZ4 (https://youtu.be/nDL2r2tNKZ4)


It was awesome! We need skilled Gambit back!
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on February 19, 2020, 06:12:32 AM
It seems that Lords of the Long Box will be relesing some MCU Gambit rumours tomorrow :gambit: .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Yv5u5Ct8fw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Yv5u5Ct8fw)


Gambit MCU Series coming! Characters being reserved for it....Long Term Spec List. We got another Black Knight Report and this time he has a list of characters Marvel wants to use for an upcoming Gambit MCU Series!
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on February 19, 2020, 03:48:36 PM
I hope its good news and that Gambit gets a solo. That would get me back at the shop and reading comics again. (And no Rogue.) :D
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: DonPriceTag on February 19, 2020, 11:48:51 PM
... get the #&#& outta here. I'll believe it when it happens. It would confirm my theory that Marvel intentionally fanned the Gambit flames on Twitter a couple weeks ago.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on February 20, 2020, 03:28:56 AM
Lords of the Long Box Rumour: Gambit series is planned by Disney.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Yv5u5Ct8fw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Yv5u5Ct8fw)

Characters being reserved for it. Probably Disney + or even Hulu if darker. Very early in concept.
Kevin Feige really likes a character. He wants to do like a modern take on Maverick. It is going to be based in Nola.

Characters that Marvel wants to use for an upcoming Gambit MCU Series:
-   Thieves and Assassins Guilds
-   Etienne Marceaux – Probably a flashback
-   Marauders
-   Candra
-   Pig
-   Bella Donna Boudreux


Gambit Series to be kind of a modern western set in NOLA.
Tatum is definitely not playing. Probably a younger actor.
Rogue is tied up to Captain Marvel. Probably won`t appear.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: wantutosigh on February 20, 2020, 07:27:59 AM
This all sounded great. They seem very confident in this source. A Gambit series on Disney + or hulu would make me so excited. Sounds like Kevin Feige wants to make hulu a real player now and could use this series to help put it on the map. A series is a great way to introduce Gambit before putting him in a movie. All I can say is, if it's true that Kevin Feige is a big Gambit fan, then that is great for all of us.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Sparta on February 20, 2020, 07:55:46 AM
Lords of the Long Box Rumour: Gambit series is planned by Disney.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Yv5u5Ct8fw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Yv5u5Ct8fw)

Characters being reserved for it. Probably Disney + or even Hulu if darker. Very early in concept.
Kevin Feige really likes a character. He wants to do like a modern take on Maverick. It is going to be based in Nola.

Characters that Marvel wants to use for an upcoming Gambit MCU Series:
-   Thieves and Assassins Guilds
-   Etienne Marceaux – Probably a flashback
-   Marauders
-   Candra
-   Pig
-   Bella Donna Boudreux


Gambit Series to be kind of a modern western set in NOLA.
Tatum is definitely not playing. Probably a younger actor.
Rogue is tied up to Captain Marvel. Probably won`t appear.

Thanks for the info. I'm still not quite convinced yet, it all sounds like rumour/speculation, and the big comic/pop culture sites aren't writing anything about it. So...we'll see. If Feige is a big Gambit fan, then that's a huge positive.

I will say this, the MCU seem to cater for fans and listen to what they want. Whereas Fox were much more self-indulgent and a lot less ambitious. So who knows? A live-action Gambit will do a world of good for the character, and if that happens it'll reflect well on print material as well.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: DonPriceTag on February 20, 2020, 12:41:34 PM
A Gambit series based in NOLA... Why didn't we come up with that? Sheesh...
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on February 20, 2020, 02:39:25 PM
I remember way back when with Nicieza writing the Gambit solo, he was in a chat about the character and was asked if they should make a movie. He said, that he would rather see Gambit in a TV show set in NOLA. That it would work better for the character. I don't have his exact words, heck, I don't even have that saved anywhere anymore. He definitely thought the character would benefit more from the small screen than the big screen. :)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on February 20, 2020, 02:49:29 PM
I remember way back when with Nicieza writing the Gambit solo, he was in a chat about the character and was asked if they should make a movie. He said, that he would rather see Gambit in a TV show set in NOLA. That it would work better for the character. I don't have his exact words, heck, I don't even have that saved anywhere anymore. He definitely thought the character would benefit more from the small screen than the big screen. :)


Yeah. I remebered it right after listening show too. Nicieza really gets Gambit.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: wantutosigh on February 20, 2020, 03:08:41 PM
According to this source they have they want to make NOLA something of a hub of activity for the mcu going forward. If true, you gotta tell Gambits story.


If they are researching storyline and characters for this show, I hope they talk to Nicieza and pick his brain. Not just Claremont.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on February 20, 2020, 03:56:42 PM
According to this source they have they want to make NOLA something of a hub of activity for the mcu going forward. If true, you gotta tell Gambits story.


If they are researching storyline and characters for this show, I hope they talk to Nicieza and pick his brain. Not just Claremont.


They need not only Nicieza but also Steve Skroce. Skroce worked on Matrix and can make anything visually awesome.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: anya on February 21, 2020, 09:30:20 AM
A Gambit series based in NOLA... Why didn't we come up with that? Sheesh...
Because you are not a Hollywood genius like Fiege. If you were, you could come up with something awesome like this. :p


Seriously, though, if it’s true it’s cool. ;)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Toadman005 on February 21, 2020, 09:37:15 AM
A Gambit series is all well and good, but, I'd far prefer to see him on the big screen. I fear a Disney+ show means less likely he'll end up on the big screen. I know rights were an issue, but still, we never saw Daredevil or Punisher (even in cameos) during Marvel phase 1-4. Hell, we never even got a cameo from Couslon or anyone from Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.


I want the ragin' cajun mixing it up on a theatre screen with Wolverine, Cyclops, etc.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on February 21, 2020, 10:08:16 AM

Gambit Movie Reportedly Back On Track, New Actor Eyed For Lead
https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/gambit-movie-reportedly-track-marvel-studios/


Marvel apparently likes the current script and wants to make the movie as soon as possible.


They’ll recast the main role and are apparently looking to bring back one of the many directors who was originally attached, Gore Verbinski. Of course, many won’t believe Gambit is actually happening until they actually sit down in the theater to watch it, but we’re told that it’s back on track and Marvel is hoping to get it into production soon.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on February 21, 2020, 10:11:59 AM
A Gambit series is all well and good, but, I'd far prefer to see him on the big screen. I fear a Disney+ show means less likely he'll end up on the big screen. I know rights were an issue, but still, we never saw Daredevil or Punisher (even in cameos) during Marvel phase 1-4. Hell, we never even got a cameo from Couslon or anyone from Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.


I want the ragin' cajun mixing it up on a theatre screen with Wolverine, Cyclops, etc.

No. Daredevil, Punisher were never made by Feige. Their TV shows and Marvel Telvesion are dead.


It is rebranded under Feige and all new shows are part of MCU that will be important for movies and will lead to movies. Like Wand&Vision show will directly lead to Strange2.


I am sure that All Disney+ shows guarantees that characters from them will move to big screen.

Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on February 21, 2020, 12:27:46 PM
Disney+ needs content. I would be surprised that the shows that were featured on Netflix or Hulu do show up on the Disney+ streaming service.
With the success of the Mandalorian, they may be more motivated to develop the other properties like Marvel.
Who knows, guess we'll see.
As for the movie: We been told this so many times, a younger lead would be good though.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: wantutosigh on February 21, 2020, 03:42:42 PM
Gambit Movie Reportedly Back On Track, New Actor Eyed For Lead
https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/gambit-movie-reportedly-track-marvel-studios/ (https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/gambit-movie-reportedly-track-marvel-studios/)


Marvel apparently likes the current script and wants to make the movie as soon as possible.


They’ll recast the main role and are apparently looking to bring back one of the many directors who was originally attached, Gore Verbinski. Of course, many won’t believe Gambit is actually happening until they actually sit down in the theater to watch it, but we’re told that it’s back on track and Marvel is hoping to get it into production soon.


Man purplevit, you are all over this stuff. Good work. Now there's two seperate sources, one talking series, the other talking movie. Not sure which one would excite more at this point. But I am starting to get a bit excited. Where there's smoke there's usually fire.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: cajunpirate on February 21, 2020, 03:44:56 PM
Gambit Funko Pop figure #4 (#1 with cards, #2 glow in the dark, #3 with staff)

Edit: I made changes to make the images viewable. The link or whatever used didn't work so I've adjusted. I'll add the fourth one. :)

Bottom line, we'll see them all for those who want to collect. :)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on February 21, 2020, 04:03:12 PM
No idea why the image doesn't work. If I can find them, I'll add them.
Edit: adding the third one here.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on February 21, 2020, 05:37:42 PM

Man purplevit, you are all over this stuff. Good work. Now there's two seperate sources, one talking series, the other talking movie. Not sure which one would excite more at this point. But I am starting to get a bit excited. Where there's smoke there's usually fire.


I listened to all these rumours so I can try and check what is true. Who knows. First rumour sounded more realistic for me. Second resourse is not trustworthy but their article was different from what I expected. They told that Marvel wants Verbinski to return and is planning to shoot it asap. That "asap" kinda bothers me. That rush couldl be more logical for Disney + Series because they need more shows.


I just hope that something is really in the works for Gambit. But at this point we shouldn`t expect a lot.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Sparta on February 21, 2020, 06:25:30 PM
Gambit Funko Pop figure #4 (#1 with cards, #2 glow in the dark, #3 with staff)


...and a Marvel Zombie Gambit Pop in the works...


https://www.instagram.com/p/B80Yqn7qd-W/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/B80Yqn7qd-W/)


So that's 4 now.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on February 22, 2020, 02:18:23 AM
Lol, Gambit zombie is hilarious.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Sparta on February 22, 2020, 05:12:31 AM
Keep in mind, the pop with Gambit's stubble is a custom/fan-made one I think, also the one that says 'Castiel' on it. These are the official ones...


https://www.funko.com/search?term=gambit (https://www.funko.com/search?term=gambit)


...and I'd expect them to add in the Zombie one soon as well.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: wantutosigh on February 22, 2020, 11:22:00 AM



This story is picking up some traction. The more people pick up on this the closer we get to possibly getting some answers.]https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/gambit-is-reportedly-back-on-marvels-radar-is-channing-tatum-still-the-top-choice.html/[\url]


This story is picking up some traction. The more people pick up on this the closer we get to possibly getting some answers. (https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/gambit-is-reportedly-back-on-marvels-radar-is-channing-tatum-still-the-top-choice.html/[\url)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: anya on February 22, 2020, 12:54:27 PM
Ack! There is a little key chain! Must have! Though I’d rather it was the regular gambit than the zombie one...
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on February 22, 2020, 05:27:34 PM



This story is picking up some traction. The more people pick up on this the closer we get to possibly getting some answers.]https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/gambit-is-reportedly-back-on-marvels-radar-is-channing-tatum-still-the-top-choice.html/[\url]


This story is picking up some traction. The more people pick up on this the closer we get to possibly getting some answers.
 (https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/gambit-is-reportedly-back-on-marvels-radar-is-channing-tatum-still-the-top-choice.html/[\url)


At this point I think second movie rumour is not true.


I hope first rumour about series is true.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: andresa on February 22, 2020, 10:37:40 PM
I think the series rumor is much more plausible than Marvel recycling an old script and wanting Verbinski back.

Although it's only speculation at this point, the rumor from months ago about Marvel having a list of young actors being eyed to play Gambit combined with the series rumor might mean something is really coming our way.

I really hope this turns out to be true. A tv show focused on Gambit’s past before he shows up on the big screen is almost too good to be true.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: DonPriceTag on February 25, 2020, 08:54:50 AM
I don't know why anyone thinks that is a show is on Disney+ the character won't crossover. That's the whole point. They want to drive people back and forth from the movies to the streaming platform applying pressure to fans so they feel that they have to watch "A" to understand "B". It's why Captain Marvel did so well, despite it being misleading. They'll be doing much of the same I believe with WandaVision and Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Moreso on the former.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on February 25, 2020, 10:00:36 AM
I don't know why anyone thinks that is a show is on Disney+ the character won't crossover. That's the whole point. They want to drive people back and forth from the movies to the streaming platform applying pressure to fans so they feel that they have to watch "A" to understand "B". It's why Captain Marvel did so well, despite it being misleading. They'll be doing much of the same I believe with WandaVision and Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Moreso on the former.


Bingo! ;)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Toadman005 on February 25, 2020, 05:18:16 PM
I don't know why anyone thinks that is a show is on Disney+ the character won't crossover. That's the whole point. They want to drive people back and forth from the movies to the streaming platform applying pressure to fans so they feel that they have to watch "A" to understand "B". It's why Captain Marvel did so well, despite it being misleading. They'll be doing much of the same I believe with WandaVision and Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Moreso on the former.


I'm not saying it's not sound in theory...I just don't think it's going to work. Following an interconenctive movie universe is one thing...crosing back and forth to streaming another altogether. Hell, budget alone will affect it.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: anya on February 26, 2020, 09:23:18 AM
The Netflix shows didn’t connect, but now that the benevolent mouse overlord has complete ownership, I think it’s more likely. Though, just in a practical sense, they still might not connect as much as the movies.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on February 26, 2020, 10:47:17 AM
They've done cross overs with the Netflix shows. They made some big deal out of it. It had eight episodes and it was titled "The Defenders". Featured Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage and Iron Fist. It wasn't bad.

Cross overs are coming across as a trend or fad. CW's DCU did some six episode thing with all of their shows. Marketing probably keeping up with numbers and all that to see how it goes.

I think its likely for a cross over, if for no other reason to renew interest in the older content.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: hairlesscat on February 27, 2020, 04:35:38 AM
Quote from: anya link=topic=5271. msg77603#msg77603 date=1582295420
Because you are not a Hollywood genius like Fiege.  If you were, you could come up with something awesome like this.  :p
LOL I'm not here often so I don't know if this is an "in" joke or not.  But Gambit fans have been talking about Gambit having this type of series for years and years.  I like what the man does, but I feel like people give him way too much credit to the point of worshipping him.  Dude just does what any halfway creative Hollywood player would do.  Legit, I've known since I was an awkward teenager fangirling over Gambit that this would be a good idea.  Now we'll see if it actually happens.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Toadman005 on February 27, 2020, 10:51:29 AM
THANK YOU! KF is overrated as hell. He's competent but so many others could have done what he did, and better, if they had complete control of the helm. THAT was WB/DC's problem.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on February 27, 2020, 11:56:16 AM
I am not the biggest MCU fan and dodn't like half or even more of it's movies but KF deserves his praise.


He fought for his vision and won. He fought to have that complete control.
I respect that dude.


Blak Panther is overrated as hell. That movie wasn't nowhere as good as people wants it to be.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: bigbarda on February 27, 2020, 12:40:13 PM
THANK YOU! KF is overrated as hell. He's competent but so many others could have done what he did, and better, if they had complete control of the helm. THAT was WB/DC's problem.


The only single franchise equivalent to the MCU in quality control (that I can think of) is Sean Connery James Bond, and that was a completely different era of Hollywood. What KF has done is unprecedented- Tim Burton, Richard Donner, Spielberg, James Cameron and George Lucas all weren't able to helm or produce franchises with 20+ films without one of them becoming a laughing stock. Sure, some MCU films are overrated but they're all a solid 3/5 or above. KF has overseen that while dealing with Bob Iger and other Disney high-ups.


This article on Wild Wild West is great reading if you want to get an insight into how producers and other higher-ups can torpedo a movie.


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Blak Panther is overrated as hell. That movie wasn't nowhere as good as people wants it to be.


BP is a really solid movie until the rushed CGI fight sequence at the end. It's important for upturning established Hollywood-mogul-wisdom that white people won't go and see a movie with a (nearly) all black cast. Studio heads and producers assume that because something hasn't happened before (or, if they haven't noticed something happening) that it can't happen.


Fox thought that the X-men franchise needed Wolverine front-and-centre (and then young Magneto/Xavier) to work, and every other character got screwed. I'm excited to see what KF will do with mutants in general.


ETA: Gore Verbinski knows where to point a camera and work with a studio. He can do a decent movie if the script's there.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: hairlesscat on February 27, 2020, 12:57:45 PM
Quote from: purplevit link=topic=5271. msg77628#msg77628 date=1582822576
I am not the biggest MCU fan and dodn't like half or even more of it's movies but KF deserves his praise. 


He fought for his vision and won.  He fought to have that complete control. 
I respect that dude.
None of that makes him a creative genius.


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Blak Panther is overrated as hell.  That movie wasn't nowhere as good as people wants it to be.
BP had excellent, layered storytelling with who is easily one of the (if not THE) most interesting and complex villains in all of the MCU. As an added bonus, it also managed to be a more feminist movie that Wonder Woman and completely busted the "Go woke and go broke" myth to pieces. Don't agree with you at all. But different strokes and all that.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: andresa on February 27, 2020, 02:28:20 PM
None of that makes him a creative genius.


I have to disagree. There had never been this much control over a franchise before Feige. He created a shared universe like never seen before. An achievement that all other studios are trying and failing to emulate. The MCU success goes to show how focused and visionary Feige is.

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BP had excellent, layered storytelling with who is easily one of the (if not THE) most interesting and complex villains in all of the MCU. As an added bonus, it also managed to be a more feminist movie that Wonder Woman and completely busted the "Go woke and go broke" myth to pieces. Don't agree with you at all. But different strokes and all that.


I also think Black Panther is totally overrated. Not as bad as Captain Marvel or Thor 2 but not nearly as good as the so-called progressives want it to be. Having a solid villain (which is its greatest merit) only takes you so far. The script is nothing special and that CGI fight is just horrible.

Go woko go broke isn’t a myth; it happens every other month. The audience go to the movies to see blockbusters to have fun, they’re not interested in agenda being pushed down their throats. And as much as I enjoy the MCU, their success won’t last forever and the more they go down the woko road, the quicker their hegemony will fade away. I'm dying to see the X-Men in the MCU and I also want them to be recognizable and not shadows of the characters I love.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: hairlesscat on February 27, 2020, 03:07:51 PM

I have to disagree. There had never been this much control over a franchise before Feige. He created a shared universe like never seen before. An achievement that all other studios are trying and failing to emulate. The MCU success goes to show how focused and visionary Feige is.

We're just gonna have to disagree on that one.

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Go woko go broke isn’t a myth; it happens every other month. The audience go to the movies to see blockbusters to have fun, they’re not interested in agenda being pushed down their throats. And as much as I enjoy the MCU, their success won’t last forever and the more they go down the woko road, the quicker their hegemony will fade away. I'm dying to see the X-Men in the MCU and I also want them to be recognizable and not shadows of the characters I love.
The fact that woke movies have failed does not somehow prove that they failed BECAUSE they were woke. Charlie's Angels is a great example of that. Despite what a lot of people would have loved to believe, CA failed because it wasn't marketed well, no one really wanted another CA movie and it really wasn't that great. It has nothing to do with the "girl power" theme at all because we have seen plenty of movies in the same vein succeed at the box office.


BP busted that myth on a MASSIVE scale. That movie was *extremely* woke and did exceptionally well at the box office. Why? Because it was an excellent movie and did a great job of world-building to immerse you. There are many other "woke" movies that have gotten both critical acclaim and commercial success, but BP is a massive one. Hence it busts the myth that a woke movie is not going to do well. It isn't about the movie being "woke", it is about it actually being a good movie that resonates with audiences. Period.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: andresa on February 27, 2020, 04:16:32 PM
The fact that woke movies have failed does not somehow prove that they failed BECAUSE they were woke. Charlie's Angels is a great example of that.

Charlie's Angels is by no means a good movie neither is the last Terminator (which made extremely pissed since the first two Terminator movies are two of my favorite movies of all time). They were sold as woke and people just weren’t interested. When these movies failed financially the directors came forward to blame and even insult the audience, ignoring the fact that these movies are bad. Captain Marvel and Black Panther made loads of money because they carry the Marvel label.

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Despite what a lot of people would have loved to believe, CA failed because it wasn't marketed well, no one really wanted another CA movie and it really wasn't that great. It has nothing to do with the "girl power" theme at all because we have seen plenty of movies in the same vein succeed at the box office.

There’s a difference between tackling certain issues and being on the nose with such issues. Movies marketed as woke fail (if aren’t MCU) because the audience aren't interested in progressive agenda, and also the people involved in these movies tend to alienate the bigger chunk of their audience by being self-righteous idiots.   

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BP busted that myth on a MASSIVE scale. That movie was *extremely* woke and did exceptionally well at the box office. Why? Because it was an excellent movie and did a great job of world-building to immerse you.

Again, it’s a Marvel movie. Marvel movies sell well regardless of being great or mediocre (CM made money even though it’s one of the worst MCU movies with an obnoxious leading actress). Calling Black Panther an excellent movie is a matter of opinion and we’ll have to agree to disagree on that.   

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There are many other "woke" movies that have gotten both critical acclaim and commercial success, but BP is a massive one. Hence it busts the myth that a woke movie is not going to do well.

Black Panther is more of an exception than the rule. Also, there’s lots of manipulation and tendentiousness when it comes to critics.

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It isn't about the movie being "woke", it is about it actually being a good movie that resonates with audiences. Period.

Exactly, so when directors and studios learn to stop worrying about making woke, “relevant” movies and focus on making good movies, then the audience will go see them. Since this is the closest we’ll get to sort of agreeing, I rest my case. I’m not into this back and forth of opinions. I’m here to talk about Gambit.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Toadman005 on February 27, 2020, 05:26:23 PM
Oh Lord! What hath I done?!


Put me in the KF is overrated, and many, if given control, could have done the same thing. Now, credit that he got it...but, creative genius he ain't (IMHO).


And Black Panther was MASSIVELY overrated. But it wasn't "Woke". Again just my humble opinion.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: andresa on February 27, 2020, 10:17:55 PM
A new Gambit figure by Iron Studios. Looks good.


https://news.toyark.com/2020/02/27/marvel-comics-gambit-statue-by-iron-studios-383587 (https://news.toyark.com/2020/02/27/marvel-comics-gambit-statue-by-iron-studios-383587)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on February 28, 2020, 03:35:21 AM
A new Gambit figure by Iron Studios. Looks good.


https://news.toyark.com/2020/02/27/marvel-comics-gambit-statue-by-iron-studios-383587 (https://news.toyark.com/2020/02/27/marvel-comics-gambit-statue-by-iron-studios-383587)


Cool! Thanks.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on February 28, 2020, 12:25:20 PM
Gravity defying hair! LOL
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: remydat on February 28, 2020, 04:55:02 PM
Oh Lord! What hath I done?!


Put me in the KF is overrated, and many, if given control, could have done the same thing. Now, credit that he got it...but, creative genius he ain't (IMHO).


And Black Panther was MASSIVELY overrated. But it wasn't "Woke". Again just my humble opinion.


Black Panther was as woke as it gets.


1.  Female warriors that rival any man.
2.  A villain literally with an ideology straight from the militant Black Panther movement.
3.  A child whose father was taken from him due to symbolic black on black crime.
4.  A child whose replacement potential father figure abandoned him to be raised by a single mother.
5.  The conflict between black people living in relative poverty and the well to do Wakanda society that hid away their wealth and talent while others suffered.
6.  The white man stealing the resources of black people for their own advancement.
7.  The pretentiousness of the world powers at the thought that a predominantly black nation could have more advanced tech.


In short, it couldn't be more woke.  The whole concept of Wakanda was at the time it was introduced a woke concept.  Stan Lee was pretty much the first social justice warrior in comics as the X-men concept as a whole was an allegory for wokeness.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: remydat on February 28, 2020, 04:55:46 PM
Here is how I would introduce Gambit given the expected ties between Disney+ and the eventual movies.


1. Solo series first season focused on the his time with the Guilds

2. Solo series 2nd season dealing with his exile and his making a name for himself in criminal underworld including his meeting the Marauders before they were Marauders ie relationship with Scalphunter, run in with Sabretooth. etc.

3. Solo series 3rd season focused on his powers flaring out of control and his enlisting Sinister to help.

4. Solo series 4th season where Sinister asks Gambit to form Marauders and them going on a few missions to build the semblance of a camaraderie.

5. X-men movie regarding the mutant massacre where Gambit appears without ever actually meeting the X-men but having close encounters throughout. Culminates in battle in Morlock tunnels where Gambit is defeated but then X-men defeat Marauders in another section of tunnels. Movie ends with scenes of the fallout and Gambit making the decision to try and be a hero.

6. Solo series 5th season where Gambit tries to turn over a new leaf and culminates with him helping Storm.

7. X-men movie where Gambit joins the X-men at Storms request and meets Rogue.

8. Solo series 6th season that chronicles Gambit trying to keep his side jobs hidden from X-men while courting Rogue who because a regular on show.

9. X-men movie where Gambit's part in mutant massacre is discovered and he is abandoned.

10. Solo series 7th season that chronicles Gambit's time away from X-men ending with his eventual return.


That would cover the key points in my view. I suppose you could also arrange the solo series where you introduce Rogue earlier and before she meets Gambit and so the TV show would basically switch between showing Gambit's journey with Rogue's (Cody, brotherhood, etc.). So something similar to say the Witcher where Geralt and Ciri spend the whole season just missing each other as it builds up to them actually meeting.




edit: fixed formatting, to make it easier to read. Neko
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on February 28, 2020, 07:09:56 PM
I know there is too much spacing Remydat but the site was fighting with me. I'd rather more space than one long wall of text. LOL
Great ideas for a TV show.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: remydat on February 28, 2020, 09:52:13 PM
No worries Neko. 
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Icefanatic on February 28, 2020, 11:51:59 PM
I think a lot of the disagreements in this thread over whether something is 'woke' or not have more to do with what their definition of woke is. I see Stan Lee as a advocate for Social Justice, not a modern 'Social Justice Warrior' and all the negative connotations that entails. Likewise the term 'woke' started out as a "term of African-American origin that refers to a perceived awareness of issues concerning social justice and racial justice." As being 'woke' became trendy, it became distorted and corrupted. We started to see 'woke' presentations in entertainment that gave a newer definition to 'woke' that includes pandering, preachy lecturing that often results in unbelievable dialogue, token and paper-thin characters that exists as little more than their diversity, characters being Mary Sued because of diversity and a lot of other negative things.

When a lot of people object to 'wokeness', that is what they are objecting to. You can have something that is very diverse and socially just and not be what many would consider 'woke'. You can have something that is barely diverse and not really socially just at all and have it be 'woke' as hell, in the modern and more current negative usage of the word.

My two cents.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: anya on February 29, 2020, 12:01:35 PM
Could be something to that. Most Christian people I know, don’t go to the ‘Christian movies’, because they tend to be ‘preachy’. Even though they basically agree with the message, they don’t go to the movies for a sermon/ lecture.


Anyway, I was joke with the ‘you’re not a genius like Fiege’ comment. And Remy dat, your series sounds great. It would be perfect.  ;D
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: malachi on February 29, 2020, 09:50:35 PM
I think a lot of the disagreements in this thread over whether something is 'woke' or not have more to do with what their definition of woke is. I see Stan Lee as a advocate for Social Justice, not a modern 'Social Justice Warrior' and all the negative connotations that entails. Likewise the term 'woke' started out as a "term of African-American origin that refers to a perceived awareness of issues concerning social justice and racial justice." As being 'woke' became trendy, it became distorted and corrupted. We started to see 'woke' presentations in entertainment that gave a newer definition to 'woke' that includes pandering, preachy lecturing that often results in unbelievable dialogue, token and paper-thin characters that exists as little more than their diversity, characters being Mary Sued because of diversity and a lot of other negative things.

When a lot of people object to 'wokeness', that is what they are objecting to. You can have something that is very diverse and socially just and not be what many would consider 'woke'. You can have something that is barely diverse and not really socially just at all and have it be 'woke' as hell, in the modern and more current negative usage of the word.

My two cents.

Well said. I believe many of my ethical and political leanings came as a result of reading Marvel comics. It shaped me in many ways when growing up.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: bigbarda on March 01, 2020, 10:33:30 AM
American comics (as opposed to European comics or manga which have very different political leanings) were founded by the working-class children of Jewish refugees who were excluded from the professions of the time by their race. Like Hollywood, it was a new industry that didn't have the same barriers to entry as law, marketing etc.* They are inherently political. Captain America was punching Hitler before America joined WW2!


The X-men are an even more blatant metaphor for minority communities, and CC went full blast on that theme when he took over the title in the 70s. Complaining that an MCU film is pushing a political agenda is like complaining that your lemonade has citric acid in it.


There is no such thing as an apolitical movie or comic. There are movies and comics which seem apolticial to Reader A because they depict the world as Reader A sees it, or reflect the belief system of Reader A. Reader B might read that same comic a completely different way.


As an example, as an Irish person living in the UK I see this *all the time* when British history is portrayed in the media in what the portrayer thinks is a neutral POV. There's a lot of writing about Oliver Cromwell and the English Civil War that do not mention Ireland. Ignoring Cromwell's legacy in Ireland (e.g burning cities to the ground) isn't being neutral- it's subscribing to a type of inherent bias on what constitutes objectivity.


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Well said. I believe many of my ethical and political leanings came as a result of reading Marvel comics. It shaped me in many ways when growing up.


Stan Lee's Bullpen Bulletins and the empathy with which he talked about characters like Spiderman had a big effect on me as well.

ANYWAY, I get a feeling that the MCU X-men are going to lean into mutants as stigmatised others. I really want a Revered Stryker or Graydon Creed popping up in the background of other MCU properties talking about the mutant menace, or maybe even Logan got into that a bit, but we didn't see much of the wider world outside Wolverine's direct POV.


*Two notable exceptions are William Moulton Marston, creator of Wonder Woman, and Steve Ditko.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: remydat on March 01, 2020, 11:34:41 AM
I think a lot of the disagreements in this thread over whether something is 'woke' or not have more to do with what their definition of woke is. I see Stan Lee as a advocate for Social Justice, not a modern 'Social Justice Warrior' and all the negative connotations that entails. Likewise the term 'woke' started out as a "term of African-American origin that refers to a perceived awareness of issues concerning social justice and racial justice." As being 'woke' became trendy, it became distorted and corrupted. We started to see 'woke' presentations in entertainment that gave a newer definition to 'woke' that includes pandering, preachy lecturing that often results in unbelievable dialogue, token and paper-thin characters that exists as little more than their diversity, characters being Mary Sued because of diversity and a lot of other negative things.

When a lot of people object to 'wokeness', that is what they are objecting to. You can have something that is very diverse and socially just and not be what many would consider 'woke'. You can have something that is barely diverse and not really socially just at all and have it be 'woke' as hell, in the modern and more current negative usage of the word.

My two cents.


I agree with a lot of that but I would make it a bit simpler.


1.  You like it.  Not woke but just diverse and socially just


2.  You hate it.  Woke and everything wrong with the PC world.


Speaking in broad generalizations of course but point being for the people this sort of stuff matters you can never have something "woke" that is also good as you change the definition to exclude anything good in the category of "woke".
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on March 04, 2020, 06:36:30 PM
Another issue of Excaliber out and its not liked very much at the other place.

Not sure why this title hasn't been cancelled yet. Is it sheeple (people and sheep) buying this book blindly and not reading it? No clue.
I'm glad I never supported to begin with.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: remydat on March 04, 2020, 07:21:03 PM
Can Tini just kill Gambit and get it over with? I haven't seen this much character assassination of Gambit since the Assassin's Guild had a contract on his life.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Meliorist on March 04, 2020, 08:35:51 PM
It's getting worse? I haven't had the energy to read the last couple, so I'm in the dark
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on March 04, 2020, 09:03:15 PM
I will summarize what I've read from the other place.

What fans are saying, they want to like the book but the writing and art make it difficult. Mostly execution with the premise that is failing among other story elements then maybe, there should be some editorial interference. Poor spacing, an odd flow story-wise.

Those who gave up the book, don't regret not buying. That says something, imo.
It seems that the dynamics are conflicting in general. Why kill off the 'bad guys' but keep a 'baby'.

Clunky.

There were other comments but in general, thats the ideas.

Oh, and btw - their warwolf baby can't compete with Baby Yoda. IMO
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Meliorist on March 05, 2020, 01:21:56 AM
Yeah, can definitely see that. Read the first 3 or 4 and kept thinking, "This can't be the story she meant to tell."
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: hairlesscat on March 05, 2020, 03:57:02 AM
This is going to sound weird, but I kind of checked out on comic book Gambit sometime after Asmus's solo series got canceled. Whenever I want to read new stories about Gambit, I just read fan fiction. It is usually much better written anyway. I have long since resigned myself to the fact that the X-office is full of rather unprofessional writers who only care about writing their personal favourite characters well and no one else. And since Gambit seems to be no one's favourite right now, I can't expect good stories to come from them.

I've always known that eventually, the X-men would be absorbed into the MCU and - realizing what a dynamic character Gambit is - they would give him a reasonably large role. This is essentially going to force X-office writers to start writing quality stories about him. But until then? I'm good.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: malachi on March 05, 2020, 12:12:09 PM
Another issue of Excaliber out and its not liked very much at the other place.

Not sure why this title hasn't been cancelled yet. Is it sheeple (people and sheep) buying this book blindly and not reading it? No clue.
I'm glad I never supported to begin with.

I checked the numbers. Excalibur #6 sold 5k more units then Fallen Angels #6. Fallen Angels was reviled yet still ended at 40K. That is how much impact the Hickman HoX/DoX effect has. Without that I doubt Excalibur would be doing very well. Too niche. Badly written. I would say that it depends on how many people want to read a Apocalypse comic.

I'm still waiting for someone to adress Tini's lack of vision and handle on 3,5(Counting Betsy as a 0,5) of 5 characters in her team. Hell even Rictor is not written well. It's just that he hasn't been used to such an extent that fans complain. They just want to see him in comics.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: cajunpirate on March 05, 2020, 01:11:17 PM
Excaliber #8 cover...


Top row trophy heads: Gambit, Betsy & Rogue
Middle row: Apocalypse, ?, Jubilee
Bottom right under Jubilee: ?


One of the two ? has to be Rictor, and who is the other one suppose to be?

Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: DonPriceTag on March 05, 2020, 01:27:36 PM

Another issue of Excaliber out and its not liked very much at the other place.

Not sure why this title hasn't been cancelled yet. Is it sheeple (people and sheep) buying this book blindly and not reading it? No clue.
I'm glad I never supported to begin with.



You guys still reading it? I won't even bother looking at the previews or pirating it.


...Too niche. Badly written. I would say that it depends on how many people want to read a Apocalypse comic.



I like Apocalypse... that ain't Apocalypse.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: anya on March 05, 2020, 01:40:14 PM
It's getting worse? I haven't had the energy to read the last couple, so I'm in the dark
Not  quite ‘worse’, in this issue gambit was not actually useless. The scene where he is running from a war wolf was actually rogue and they were flushing out Cullen. Of course the scene was disjointed and should have been longer/more fleshed out. But there was some completely pointless scenes convos with Rictor jubilee and betsy that clearly needed to be there... Also, according to the people who read avengers academy, Cullen Bloodstone is absolutely nothing like this. So another character is ‘off.’


And baby war wolf is not even close to baby yoda...
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on March 05, 2020, 04:36:53 PM
Anyone got an image of the baby war wolf?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on March 06, 2020, 12:18:20 AM
 
This is going to sound weird, but I kind of checked out on comic book Gambit sometime after Asmus's solo series got canceled. Whenever I want to read new stories about Gambit, I just read fan fiction.

 
I can understand that, I've lost so much interest in Gambit. Asmus was great and some PAD stuff was good until he became bitter.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: RomeoSvengali on March 06, 2020, 12:52:53 AM
Even though I can read Excalibur for free... I simply don't bother.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on March 06, 2020, 03:37:29 PM
Even though I can read Excalibur for free... I simply don't bother.
I'm literally trying to talk myself into reading for free from that link you provided and simply to see this cuter than baby yoda warwolf baby, I can't seem to find the energy.

In fact if TH could write a fraction as well as Jon Favreau and company for the Mandalorian, maybe Excaliber wouldn't be the mess it is. IMO
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: andresa on March 06, 2020, 05:50:28 PM
Here it is:

(https://readcomicsonline.ru/uploads/manga/excalibur-2019/chapters/8/21.jpg)

Got this online, couldn't spend more money on this book, it's just so incredibly terrible. I've tried to, at least, read the pages Gambit was on but couldn't even do that.

TH is delusional to think this can be compared to Baby Yoda. Well, she must think she's doing a terrific job with Excalibur as well.   
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Meliorist on March 06, 2020, 08:19:01 PM
That's not... that doesn't resemble a wolf at all. That's a dinosaur... should have been called warsaurus >.>Guess the adults could look wolfish
Oh man, a single page has me sighing aloud
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on March 07, 2020, 12:22:48 AM
I'm perplexed. While I don't think the baby war-wolf is horrible looking and its cute in general. It was nothing to get all excited about. Certainly no where near baby yoda. It is cute though, just not up to the hype cute.


The difference between war-wolf baby and baby yoda is story.


Well, this will be unpopular as opinions go - Disney now needs to control Marvel better. Since the house of mouse can create better content, maybe some tutelage would help. LOL
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on March 07, 2020, 05:49:43 PM
Buying Excalibur means supporting bad written Gambit. I am not doing it.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: RomeoSvengali on March 07, 2020, 09:24:57 PM
Those websites where you can read almost any comic for free has saved me a ton of time and money.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: malachi on March 08, 2020, 08:23:07 AM
Those websites where you can read almost any comic for free has saved me a ton of time and money.

Yes the same for me. It's a testament to the lack of quality that I'm not reading any marvel. I'm also getting bored with constantly being disapointed with Gambit. I'm not demanding much. In general Gambit is suppose to be three things: Charming, Agile and Dangerous. Grossly simplified.
Tini has skipped charming entirely. She's not even trying. On agility he's more clumsy then agile. On dangerous he's mostly doing fancy light shows or getting beaten by Apocalypse. Instead his arc seems to be about the team treating him like a whiny moron while he responds like a kid. It's insane.

First I wanted to argue with the fans. Then the writer. Then reviewers. For any of them to not state how blatantly wrong this is frustrates me. It has made me lose hope in marvel.
I get that people have favorite characters. Some even hate certain ones. To not aknowledge how bad this is just angers me. This should be in lectures on how to not write a character. It's that bad.

Instead I'm focusing my energy on writing fanfiction. In there gambit can be the things he should be. He doesn't even have to star in teambook. I actually think it quite suits him not to be the star. Then he can work in the background. Pushing and prodding the odds into his favor. Then do something risky. SOmetimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. For me Gambit doesn't have to come out top. It's more fun if there is a sense of uncertainty that he will pull it off. Like real life gambling.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: anya on March 08, 2020, 10:40:47 AM
That's not... that doesn't resemble a wolf at all. That's a dinosaur... should have been called warsaurus >.>Guess the adults could look wolfish
Oh man, a single page has me sighing aloud
Nah, the adults don’t look like wolves either, they look like silver dinosaur.


Baby yoda be baby war wolf, yeah not even close, story is a factor. One is a cute, baby version of a beloved character the other is a cute, baby version of obscure, unlike able comic villains. No one cared about them before and the current story doesn’t give anyone much to care about them here, except for another unlikeable comic villain (who is supposed to now be a wise wizard type for reasons) has declared them to be wiped out. We are supposed to be happy that betsy saved the cute baby one, but not upset that she happily wiped out the rest of them. The cognitive whiplash is considerably here...
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on March 08, 2020, 05:08:24 PM
Agreed. Hard to feel investment for a character that was thrown out there for no real reason.

Agree, the war wolves don't look like wolves either. The design isn't bad but I think the story didn't do any justice. Fans won't remember the baby war wolf when all of the characters are being written so poorly.

Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Sparta on March 09, 2020, 02:28:04 AM

My main problem was killing the Warwolves for kicks. It was out of character.

Another issue of Excaliber out and its not liked very much at the other place.

Not sure why this title hasn't been cancelled yet. Is it sheeple (people and sheep) buying this book blindly and not reading it? No clue.
I'm glad I never supported to begin with.


While I agree, I have two reasons why I think it won't get cancelled anytime soon...


1. Apocalypse is a big player in DoX, Hickman has something planned for him and Tini will need to follow through with her story to get Apocalypse to the place Hickman eventually wants him to be. This might take quite a few arcs for him to get there. Excalibur has a lot of scope as well, when reading the first issue I already felt that this will go on for a while. There's also the Horseman theory, that's probably where Gambit, Rogue, Rictor and Jubilee/Dragon-Shogo will end up.


2. The sales are quite good. The latest figures has it between the 45-50K mark, higher than Marauders (which is expected to be under).
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: DonPriceTag on March 09, 2020, 12:26:08 PM
Which is strange. Outside of the first cringey issue - Marauders is a leaps and bounds better than Excalibur.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on March 09, 2020, 01:32:44 PM
Just my fanart. Always wanted to see Remy with Darth Maul`s double lightsaber.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESqq2B8XsAEtTo_?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on March 09, 2020, 01:41:48 PM
Looks great Purplevit!
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Sparta on March 09, 2020, 02:55:36 PM
Marauders isn't all that great of a book either to be honest.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: deathsun on March 09, 2020, 04:06:42 PM
Just my fanart. Always wanted to see Remy with Darth Maul`s double lightsaber.


Wow! Those two are my favorite characters in fictions probably. How cool this could be if it was in the x of the swords promo. This can beat Cyclops' lame lightsaber easily.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on March 09, 2020, 04:32:29 PM
Thank you, friends :gambit:


I doubt that Gambit will even appear in Swords of X. But it was fun to draw. Sorry, it seems I posted it in a wrong thread.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on March 09, 2020, 05:59:18 PM
It's okay, I fixed it. I had to remember how. LOL
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: remydat on March 09, 2020, 10:22:26 PM
Think someone mentioned it earlier but any good Gambit fanfic out there preferably more recent?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on March 10, 2020, 02:01:55 PM
I don't know about Gambit fanfic, I haven't read Xmen fanfic or Gambit specific in some time. I do read fanfic but in a totally different fandom.

Gambit is in general slashed with any male character the writer likes the most. There are a few romy fics too and I don't read those either.

What's missing is more action/adventure stuff.  Maybe another guildmate would have some suggestions.

AO3 (archive of our own) has a tagging system, and filters so that you can be specific in what you want to read. For example, you can include Gambit then hit filter and only fics with him in it shows up.

 Fanfiction.net, you'll have to hope the people writing gives enough info in their summaries.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: remydat on March 10, 2020, 05:25:11 PM
Thanks Neko.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: malachi on March 11, 2020, 08:59:21 PM
I don't know about Gambit fanfic, I haven't read Xmen fanfic or Gambit specific in some time. I do read fanfic but in a totally different fandom.

Gambit is in general slashed with any male character the writer likes the most. There are a few romy fics too and I don't read those either.

What's missing is more action/adventure stuff.  Maybe another guildmate would have some suggestions.

AO3 (archive of our own) has a tagging system, and filters so that you can be specific in what you want to read. For example, you can include Gambit then hit filter and only fics with him in it shows up.

 Fanfiction.net, you'll have to hope the people writing gives enough info in their summaries.

I'm working on a 4 parts fanfic. It centers around Archangel and Gambit dealing with Apocalypse in the current Krakoa status quo. Not heavy on action and adventure as of now. More about characters making choices. In general it's about characters and stories I'm missing with the current Krakoa status quo.

I wouldn't mind if Remy and Warren became friends in the comics. They seem like a fun pair. I wouldn't be suprised if Remy has stolen something from one or two of Warrens houses.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Toadman005 on March 12, 2020, 10:21:12 AM
I always got the impression Warren and Remy disliked on another.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: malachi on March 12, 2020, 05:37:47 PM
I always got the impression Warren and Remy disliked on another.

I don't think they  have really interacted beyond Fabians solo and the fallout of Gambits Trial. Both characters have changed since then and experienced much. I'm using Apocalypse as a bonding experience. In general many X-men have disliked Gambit due to his womanizing, aloofness, jokes and not taking things serious. Especially on the womanizing I think Warren is one of the few who wouldn't feel competetive or threathened by it. Manly due to them being so different.

Just give them a common goal and they are more alike then they would have guessed. A little bit like his friendship with Bishop.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: remydat on March 13, 2020, 08:13:27 AM
I'm working on a 4 parts fanfic. It centers around Archangel and Gambit dealing with Apocalypse in the current Krakoa status quo. Not heavy on action and adventure as of now. More about characters making choices. In general it's about characters and stories I'm missing with the current Krakoa status quo.

I wouldn't mind if Remy and Warren became friends in the comics. They seem like a fun pair. I wouldn't be suprised if Remy has stolen something from one or two of Warrens houses.



Sweet, let me know when it is done if you don't mind.  I am actually perpetually working on a book that has a character modeled a bit after the Witness.  Don't know if I will ever finish it as can't quite find the time.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: remydat on March 13, 2020, 08:16:27 AM
I always got the impression Warren and Remy disliked on another.



Well wouldn't see they dislike each other but I imagine the MM has always prevented them from being closer despite Warren ultimately forgiving him in the solo.  I could see them bonding over Apocalypse though and always though they would be a good pair to hit up the bar scene with Warren the more gentlemanly ladies man and Gambit the classic bad boy that women love.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: andresa on March 18, 2020, 08:40:12 AM
I honestely can't see Remy and Warren getting along and hanging out. I think Remy could've been buddies with Kurt had they spent some time on the same team in the past, though.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: andresa on March 18, 2020, 12:53:59 PM
Flipped through Excalibur. In a nutshell, Gambit whines, is rude to Rictor and uses his powers to make campfire. Oh and quietly combs his wife's hair.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on March 19, 2020, 01:02:17 AM
I'm going to add an image. TH doesn't relate to a straight couple. IMO

She relates to whatever letter in the alphabet that owns 20 percent of the alphabet that isn't hetero.

I'm ok with that, but ... she is writing a female Gambit. IMO.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Sparta on March 19, 2020, 01:39:45 AM
Read the issue, it was fine, much better than that awful Warwolves 2-parter. The team bonded and To's art is quite good, and some nice character moments added.
While Gambit was still a little grouchy in parts, he was tolerable. The test is next issue where he'll have to fight, where he's previous showing was woeful. While To draws nicely, he's doesn't draw action/fight sequences very well either I've noticed in the first arc.

Again, while To draws pretty figures and scenery, I actually don't like his Gambit much, I don't like the costume, too thin and prettyboyish...and he looks short in parts. Compared to Mann who made him pretty but also strong and formidable at the same time? If anyone gets what I mean? I have trouble taking To's Gambit seriously.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on March 19, 2020, 03:18:10 AM
Nah, Excalibur is lame again. Liu`s Gambit from that Frozen AXM arc would be digusted by that Excalibur Gambit.[/size]If Tini wants to write so much about Braddocks and other stuff that are not her team then she must put that Braddocks and others on cover instead of her real team to try sell books.[/color]
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Toadman005 on March 19, 2020, 01:18:14 PM
Read the issue, it was fine, much better than that awful Warwolves 2-parter. The team bonded and To's art is quite good, and some nice character moments added.
While Gambit was still a little grouchy in parts, he was tolerable. The test is next issue where he'll have to fight, where he's previous showing was woeful. While To draws nicely, he's doesn't draw action/fight sequences very well either I've noticed in the first arc.

Again, while To draws pretty figures and scenery, I actually don't like his Gambit much, I don't like the costume, too thin and prettyboyish...and he looks short in parts. Compared to Mann who made him pretty but also strong and formidable at the same time? If anyone gets what I mean? I have trouble taking To's Gambit seriously.
He's absolutely drawn effeminately. But then, that's a marvel mandate these days.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on March 19, 2020, 10:27:55 PM
He's absolutely drawn effeminately. But then, that's a marvel mandate these days.
The writer identifies with a different letter of the alphabet. I can't be the only one who sees this. If I am, well, apologies. She doesn't get the male/female or if you feel better -  the female/male relationship.

It's not a big deal with what she identifies with but in her work, she should be able to handle all situations. IMO.
The writer tells the artist what to show - Gambit is shown the way he is because the writer can't relate to him.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on March 20, 2020, 03:55:19 AM
At this point it is possible that Tini hates Gambit because he is a straight male on her team. She loves Rictor and Apoc.

You can don`t get a character. But smth bad happens to him almost every issue. His cards even just didn`t explode twice in one issue. I am sure she just hates him or trolling fans.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: andresa on March 20, 2020, 08:36:55 AM
Although I prefer pretty boy Gambit to ugly Gambit, I do agree To draws him too pretty. Gambit should be handsome, like Lee and Mann drew him.   

Howard doesn’t hate Gambit, she’s just completely, utterly, altogether incompetent. A lot of Marvel writers have shown various degrees of incompetence but Howard is unbelievably bad. She can’t tell a coherent story and none of the characters in Excalibur is written well (even Apocalypse sounds off).

I'll never get the idea that in order to enjoy a character you have to relate to this character. And if Howard, as a writer, can’t see world views other than her own, she’s inept and unqualified to be a writer.       
 
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Toadman005 on March 20, 2020, 09:12:41 AM
But that's modern Marvel for you. Talent as a storyteller is not a concern...how you identify is. Marvel proudly hires extreme progressives based off their identities, not talents (or lack thereof).


I'm sure everyone's already seen, for example, the new New Warriors?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Icefanatic on March 20, 2020, 10:23:57 AM
But that's modern Marvel for you. Talent as a storyteller is not a concern...how you identify is. Marvel proudly hires extreme progressives based off their identities, not talents (or lack thereof).


I'm sure everyone's already seen, for example, the new New Warriors?

When I first saw the teaser stuff, I thought it was an elaborate joke that someone had cooked up, but no, it's real. For anyone who hasn't seen it...

https://www.superherohype.com/comics/479295-marvels-relaunched-new-warriors-lineup-sparks-fan-backlash (https://www.superherohype.com/comics/479295-marvels-relaunched-new-warriors-lineup-sparks-fan-backlash)

(https://cosmicbook.news/sites/default/files/styles/image_header/public/marvel-new-new-warriors.jpg?itok=J8L4m0EF)



Quote
Yesterday, Marvel unveiled the first look at their upcoming New Warriors series, which will also introduce a handful of new heroes, including psychic twins Snowflake and Safespace. In addition, there’s the “meme-obsessed” Screentime, whose brain gets connected to the internet after an accident involving “experimental internet gas;” B-Negative, a young vampire who was exposed to Michael Morbius’ blood as a child; and Trailblazer, who possesses a “magic backpack” that also functions as a dimensional gateway.

So far, the response to these heroes has been…less than enthusiastic, particularly when it comes to Snowflake and Safespace. Obviously, those words carry some weight. Those words have become go-to pejoratives used by right-wingers to attack anyone they perceive as overly sensitive. It also doesn’t help that the creators chose to give the “Snowflake”name to a character who identifies as non-binary. Kibblesmith himself has acknowledged the words’ connotations and also insists that the characters wear those names “like badges of honor.” Unfortunately, his explanation isn’t going over well on social media.

You can't make this s*** up.  :idiot2:
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: andresa on March 20, 2020, 11:51:20 AM
Oh for pity's sake

(https://i.giphy.com/media/wVcNP3TnXbl84/giphy.webp)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Toadman005 on March 20, 2020, 11:55:18 AM
It's madness, and it's being lambasted by EVERYONE. I mean Marvel's been pushing WOKE stuff for years but this was SO bad it was universally assumed to be parody or satire, and then, ROASTED when everyone realized it was real.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: andresa on March 20, 2020, 12:00:12 PM
It's madness, and it's being lambasted by EVERYONE. I mean Marvel's been pushing WOKE stuff for years but this was SO bad it was universally assumed to be parody or satire, and then, ROASTED when everyone realized it was real.

I enjoy the irony.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Toadman005 on March 20, 2020, 12:22:35 PM
Same. God, I'd love to write or illustrate this title for comedic reasons, but I have a feeling that the lack of self awareness of those trying genuinely will be funnier than anything I could ever try and come up with.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: malachi on March 20, 2020, 01:00:39 PM
When I first saw the teaser stuff, I thought it was an elaborate joke that someone had cooked up, but no, it's real. For anyone who hasn't seen it...

https://www.superherohype.com/comics/479295-marvels-relaunched-new-warriors-lineup-sparks-fan-backlash (https://www.superherohype.com/comics/479295-marvels-relaunched-new-warriors-lineup-sparks-fan-backlash)

(https://cosmicbook.news/sites/default/files/styles/image_header/public/marvel-new-new-warriors.jpg?itok=J8L4m0EF)



You can't make this s*** up.  :idiot2:

It reminds me of She-ra on Netflix. The main male character there (Bow)is drawn in the same androgynous way. Speculation if he is trans is widespread.

In general that show is well done but not for me. I'm glad it exists.

I will look at this the same way. For some people it might be extremly important and therefore I'm glad for thier sake. The problem with comics being how crowded it is. I have long given up on that. In the best of worlds this would just be a bonus that enrichens the stories. In reality it will certainly impact some other title. Like how Captain Marvel and Thor effectivly seems to block other energy manipulators from Avengers.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Icefanatic on March 20, 2020, 01:59:15 PM
It reminds me of She-ra on Netflix. The main male character there (Bow)is drawn in the same androgynous way. Speculation if he is trans is widespread.

In general that show is well done but not for me. I'm glad it exists.

I will look at this the same way. For some people it might be extremly important and therefore I'm glad for thier sake. The problem with comics being how crowded it is. I have long given up on that. In the best of worlds this would just be a bonus that enrichens the stories. In reality it will certainly impact some other title. Like how Captain Marvel and Thor effectivly seems to block other energy manipulators from Avengers.

My gripe is the more 'woke' stuff gets the more it feels like parody instead of something real. I don't buy into it. It's not the diversity and representation that is the problem, it's the farcical quality of it all. Combine that with bad writing in general and I'm increasingly finding characters, teams, franchises... even entire fictional universes that seem bogus to me. I read around characters, around books. Eventually it becomes too much and I just check out entirely. I've been struggling with dropping Marvel off-and-on the past few years, and I'm a lifelong fan. There's always a title or two that seems to buck the tide that keeps me hanging on by a thread... But most days half the characters I use to know and love now feel more like strangers I have little to no interest in.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: malachi on March 20, 2020, 03:19:25 PM
My gripe is the more 'woke' stuff gets the more it feels like parody instead of something real. I don't buy into it. It's not the diversity and representation that is the problem, it's the farcical quality of it all. Combine that with bad writing in general and I'm increasingly finding characters, teams, franchises... even entire fictional universes that seem bogus to me. I read around characters, around books. Eventually it becomes too much and I just check out entirely. I've been struggling with dropping Marvel off-and-on the past few years, and I'm a lifelong fan. There's always a title or two that seems to buck the tide that keeps me hanging on by a thread... But most days half the characters I use to know and love now feel more like strangers I have little to no interest in.

I'm in the same spot as you. The only comic I follow is Excalibur and that is more to witness how bad it can get. I download it btw.

I'm just astonished of how they take something so easy and make it look hard. Fans today seems so disfranchised that even what used to pass as mediocre is now  lauded as masterpieces. None of the X-men characters are that hard to write to a mediocre level. Every character comes with a short list of things the fans want from them to be satisfied. To not even attempt to pull that off is bizarre for me. It's just common sense.

On subjects like Snowflake and Safespace I know so very little. I'm just thinking of how beloved She-ra is and how I probably can't fully understand the appeal of it. So I'm just happy if it makes people happy. If it does that is.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: remydat on March 21, 2020, 07:03:14 PM
But that's modern Marvel for you. Talent as a storyteller is not a concern...how you identify is. Marvel proudly hires extreme progressives based off their identities, not talents (or lack thereof).


I'm sure everyone's already seen, for example, the new New Warriors?


Disagree slightly.  The problem is bad writing plain and simple.  Comics in general have always been more progressive or liberal.  The problem is the writers are just bad.


Let's not pretend like Claremont is some conservative or non-work writer.  His stuff was as woke as it gets for his era.  He was just a better writer.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: remydat on March 21, 2020, 07:03:33 PM
Forgot Excalibur came out. Can someone let me know when Gambit get's killed off or leaves the book? Thanks in advance!


edit: fixed formatting and really small font. LOL - Neko
   
 
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on March 21, 2020, 10:43:15 PM
Me too Remydat, me too. I will not spend money on Excalibur.

Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on March 22, 2020, 04:35:32 AM
Forgot Excalibur came out. Can someone let me know when Gambit get's killed off or leaves the book? Thanks in advance!


edit: fixed formatting and really small font. LOL - Neko
 


He is still there and wriiten bad as always. Unfortunatelly.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on March 22, 2020, 02:24:12 PM
Since this thread is getting the most attention. The site is going through a few issues. Cloudflare is on it (I might look into purchasing more protection but not at this time). But if there is a resource issue. Just wait it out and come back later. The number of attacks has lessened but not stopped. Thanks for participating on this forum. :)


Okay back to Gambit. What happened in the latest issue besides Gambit combing Rogue's hair?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: DonPriceTag on March 23, 2020, 11:50:05 AM
Oh, that hair combing @#@$ happened?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on March 23, 2020, 12:03:31 PM
Yeah, he does comb her hair, I saw the image somewhere on twitter.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Sparta on March 24, 2020, 03:16:25 AM
Since this thread is getting the most attention. The site is going through a few issues. Cloudflare is on it (I might look into purchasing more protection but not at this time). But if there is a resource issue. Just wait it out and come back later. The number of attacks has lessened but not stopped. Thanks for participating on this forum. :)


Okay back to Gambit. What happened in the latest issue besides Gambit combing Rogue's hair?


Gambit charged up some flint to start a campfire, and Rogue wanted to get busy with him in a tent. Gambit's still grouchy, Rogue's more carefree, which was a bit of a reversal to how they were written in MMX.
If I remember, the issue itself had a bit more team bonding that was really needed, Jubilee had a bit more to do, art was really good, even though I'm not a fan of the way To draws Gambit.
The hair brushing doesn't bother me as much as others.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Toadman005 on March 24, 2020, 12:17:29 PM
Gambit...from besting Gladiator and KO'ing Thor to starting campfires and combing hair.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on March 24, 2020, 02:24:03 PM
I don't think the combing hair thing is completely awful, and if she asked him to comb her hair, as her hubby he would. The problem is the continued emasculation of Gambit.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: malachi on March 26, 2020, 04:34:14 PM
I don't think the combing hair thing is completely awful, and if she asked him to comb her hair, as her hubby he would. The problem is the continued emasculation of Gambit.


Yes. It’s a fine scene by itself. The problem is the lack of other scenes. Some fans might dig Gambit as the dotting husband. For Tini to only give us that shows she lacks a fundamental understanding of what her readers want.


I had more problems with the fire scene. My nominee for worst scene, so far in Excalibur, is Gambit charging the sign against the protesters. Charging it does nothing. It’s such a waste of scene, underselling his powers and bad characterization.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: anya on March 28, 2020, 10:53:30 AM
Yes, because he can be a doting husband and a super husband (this should not be hard thing to show.). Though the protestor sign, I didn’t mind, because he’s not the bloodthirsty type, he wasn’t trying to actually hurt anyone, just blow off some steam.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: andresa on March 28, 2020, 11:47:10 AM
Can't pick one scene to be the worst Gambit scene in Excalibur. I don't think there have been one single remarkable moment. His distrusting of Apocalipse might've counted in in case the others hadn't dismissed his suspicions and treated him like an idiot.   
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on March 28, 2020, 12:46:52 PM
His distrust of Apocalypse is warranted and tbh, the others should not have dismissed him or treated poorly for his beliefs.  Rogue especially since he tried to kill her as a Horseman. This book and this writer has to go.

edit: Maybe not the book but the writer. I think people would like the concept of an Excalibur and the cast isn't horrible. There is just no reason to read it as its presented currently.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on April 02, 2020, 02:21:00 AM

MARVEL X-MEN PROFILE AVATARS AVAILABLE NOW ON DISNEY+
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUioTjqXgAAiZro?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: anya on April 02, 2020, 10:42:31 AM
Nice! I’m probably reading way too much into this, but those look like new illustrations and some new costume designs....they aren’t just screen shots from the animated series or already existing comic art...hmmm... (yes, I’m reading to much into this but I need something good to focus on, dangnabit!)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: andresa on April 02, 2020, 11:10:47 AM
Still waiting for Disney+ to arrive  :(


New designs for a sequel with the same cast? Sweet wishful thinking.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: anya on April 02, 2020, 11:48:38 AM
I know, I just need think about something fun!
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: andresa on April 02, 2020, 12:36:43 PM
Wouldn't it be amazing, though?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: wantutosigh on April 02, 2020, 03:07:52 PM
It really would be amazing. I'd be thrilled. As long as Tony Daniels doesn't voice Gambit.


I went on to Disney + to put Gambit as my profile avatar but it only has Wolverine and Storm to choose from. Wtf!?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on April 02, 2020, 03:26:01 PM
Gambit was available for me but I really had to look near the bottom on the page.
Edit: I went through the avatars, he's there. At the bottom under 'X-men'.
:)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: wantutosigh on April 04, 2020, 03:57:28 PM
https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/x-men-gambit-to-come-to-disney-plus-as-a-western-says-mcu-insider.html/ (https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/x-men-gambit-to-come-to-disney-plus-as-a-western-says-mcu-insider.html/)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on April 04, 2020, 03:59:38 PM
I think it would work really well, if it happens. I'm not gonna hold my breath but if Disney can be successful with a space cowboy thing like the Mandalorian, then if done right, it could be great.

Hey wantutosigh, did you find the avatar?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on April 04, 2020, 04:26:14 PM
https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/x-men-gambit-to-come-to-disney-plus-as-a-western-says-mcu-insider.html/ (https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/x-men-gambit-to-come-to-disney-plus-as-a-western-says-mcu-insider.html/)


Glad to hear. Same info that Lord of the Long box told earlier. Excited!
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: andresa on April 04, 2020, 05:14:29 PM
Trying not to get my hopes to high but this is the third rumor we hear. Gambit coming to the MCU soon may be true. Having Gambit introduced in a solo series before moving to the movies would be amazing.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on April 05, 2020, 07:31:36 AM
Trying not to get my hopes to high but this is the third rumor we hear. Gambit coming to the MCU soon may be true. Having Gambit introduced in a solo series before moving to the movies would be amazing.


It definetely would be amazing.


From Sutron and Lords of the long box it seems such rumours are so far about X world:


- Gambit series for Disney +
- Rogue will be a villain in Cap Marvel 2
- Excalibur movies trilogy is planned with Black Knight (John Snow), Kitty, Nightcrawler, Psylocke and Cap Britain.
- Mutants will be introduces to MCU via Wanda/Vision show and Doc Strange 2.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: andresa on April 07, 2020, 11:01:32 AM
- Excalibur movies trilogy is planned with Black Knight (John Snow), Kitty, Nightcrawler, Psylocke and Cap Britain.


Didn't know this one, it’s the least interesting to me anyway.

Months ago there was the rumor about Marvel eyeing a young unknown actor to play Gambit (we got one name out of the supposed list of actors). And then two other rumors about a Gambit series on Disney+ coming from different sources. There may be something there.

Also there’s been speculation of a new animated series (the creators of the original show approached Disney about a revival last year).

Although the world is stagnant right now, we might have good news in the future. 
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: andresa on April 07, 2020, 11:02:13 AM
Grace Randolph talked about these rumors some days ago.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLF7GvV0PBM 
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: anya on April 09, 2020, 10:00:57 AM
At least I was not the only one reading too much into Disney + icons. ;p I’ve actually been meaning to sign up for that, I really need to remember.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on April 09, 2020, 12:41:52 PM
From my local comic book shop:
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DC and Marvel are still working on projects and most likely everything will just be pushed back. So books that were to come out 4/15 will come out 5/15 etc.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on April 12, 2020, 10:08:27 AM
X-Men: 10 Major Ways Gambit Changed From His First Appearance
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https://www.cbr.com/x-men-gambit-ways-changed/ (https://www.cbr.com/x-men-gambit-ways-changed/)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on April 15, 2020, 03:09:36 PM
Wow, dead around here. I hope everyone is well.

Gambit as the Torch. This wasn't a bad series, I liked it. :)
Have you read it? Did you like it?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: RomeoSvengali on April 16, 2020, 12:07:58 AM
Found some Gambit art
https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1622134 (https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1622134)

https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1619069 (https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1619069)

https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1618991 (https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1618991)

https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1618989 (https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1618989)

https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1618985 (https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1618985)

https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1618983 (https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1618983)

https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1618982 (https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1618982)

https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1618775 (https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1618775)

https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1617469 (https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1617469)

https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1612416 (https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1612416)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on April 16, 2020, 11:31:02 AM
Wow, dead around here. I hope everyone is well.

Gambit as the Torch. This wasn't a bad series, I liked it. :)
Have you read it? Did you like it?


It was ok. Nothing really cool or bad, really.
Funny that it was written by Cebulski who is in charge of Marvel comics now.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: DonPriceTag on April 16, 2020, 11:12:24 PM
I'm sure if Marvel survives all this when Disney Plus debuts the Gambit series writers will stumbling over themselves to write him all of a sudden.

It's a shame that the Gambit movie script wasn't made. The script was indeed very good. I see how it would have been an issue. Included at least one New Mutant, asked for the return of a problematic actress and was set firmly in the Fox X-Men universe.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on April 17, 2020, 03:18:35 AM
I'm sure if Marvel survives all this when Disney Plus debuts the Gambit series writers will stumbling over themselves to write him all of a sudden.

It's a shame that the Gambit movie script wasn't made. The script was indeed very good. I see how it would have been an issue. Included at least one New Mutant, asked for the return of a problematic actress and was set firmly in the Fox X-Men universe.


Do you think they will take some things from that script to Disney series?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: DonPriceTag on April 17, 2020, 09:15:24 AM
It might. The script starts one way and ends like - oh #&#&#.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: DonPriceTag on April 17, 2020, 09:29:14 AM
Don't say I never gave y'all anything.  :smitten:


(Was a link to the 2015 Gambit movie script)


I'll keep the link open for a couple days. Download etc etc.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Toadman005 on April 17, 2020, 09:51:09 AM
I'm sure if Marvel survives all this when Disney Plus debuts the Gambit series writers will stumbling over themselves to write him all of a sudden.

It's a shame that the Gambit movie script wasn't made. The script was indeed very good. I see how it would have been an issue. Included at least one New Mutant, asked for the return of a problematic actress and was set firmly in the Fox X-Men universe.


I don't want Marvel writers (aka SJW identity politic pushing progressive twats) touching Gambit.


I want REAL writers to do so.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: DonPriceTag on April 17, 2020, 10:08:49 AM
Well... It's already happening. So, sorry?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Toadman005 on April 17, 2020, 01:01:56 PM
Well... It's already happening. So, sorry?


I hope when we emerge from this, those garbage writers are all thrown out of the building. Let actual talent handle Remy for the first time in years.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on April 17, 2020, 02:21:00 PM
Third act in that script is golden. It is veeeeery good.
I am devastated that this movie never will happen.


I hope Disney will use a lot of stuff from this script in D+ series.
Gambit was dangerous, smart, sexy, fast and creative. The way he should be.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on April 17, 2020, 04:46:05 PM
SDCC is cancelled for 2020. I've been to this convention once and its amazing.  This news is via twitter:

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Continuous monitoring of health advisories and recent statements by the Governor of California have made it clear that it would not be safe to move forward. The event will instead return to the San Diego Convention Center July 22-25, 2021.

Individuals who purchased badges for Comic-Con 2020 will have the option to request a refund or roll-over their badges to Comic-Con 2021. All 2020 badge holders and Exhibitors will receive an email within the next week with instructions on how to request a refund or transfer their payments for Comic-Con 2021. We thank our friends for your continued support, and we are exploring the possibility of an online presence that should give us all an opportunity to share in the community for which Comic-Con is famous.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on April 19, 2020, 11:43:20 AM
(https://community.cbr.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=95709&d=1587250484)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: anya on April 19, 2020, 11:53:47 AM

I can’t see that image, but is it the new image CBR found, the one that looks like the Disney plus illustration? The plot thickens... ;)

The movie was interesting, although , in the long run, it’s probably good that we didn’t get ‘stuck in the past’ gambit. I can definitely see why Disney nixed it, way to connected to the Fox-verse and the new mutants movie snagged Dani.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: anya on April 19, 2020, 12:04:26 PM
Dang, I just that this could be fan art. Nice fan art, but nothing to speculate about.


Edit: ok, now I just found out they are from a quiz/game on marvel’s instagram. (I need to get out of quarantine!)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on April 19, 2020, 12:14:40 PM
Yes. That pic from cbr.
It is not a fan art. It was used by Marvel on their instagram poll.


(https://community.cbr.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=95727&d=1587310879)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on April 19, 2020, 12:17:19 PM
I though it was just fanart but Dike Ruen posted on 24.03 pic and team has the same costumes.



It seems Marvwl comissioned him.


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ET4xrSlU4AMp7Zs?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on April 19, 2020, 12:22:56 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EV6t7RVWsAwFRps?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Kenta on April 19, 2020, 03:04:13 PM
I new Marvel game is available on Android and iOS called Marvel Superwars and Gambit is being introduced to this game.  Here is the first look before the complete character designs is revealed tomorrow.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: hairlesscat on April 19, 2020, 03:34:22 PM
Don't say I never gave y'all anything.  :smitten:


(Was a link to the 2015 Gambit movie script)


I'll keep the link open for a couple days. Download etc etc.


Hey, thanks! I've been hearing details about this script for a while, but have never been able to find it online. I think it's a decent script and has some great characterization of Gambit. He's a smartass and a badass! But I think it's very possible for the MCU to do better. I realize that some people would not like to know what's in it, so I will use spoiler tags to be safe. All my personal opinions, of course.



*It was annoying to see an awesome character like Jean-Luc Lebeau wasted to further such a generic plot device. He has such an interesting father-son dynamic with Remy in the comics and you don't get to see that at all here.


*Speaking of characters being MIA, where the heck was Tante Mattie?! She's basically Gambit's mom. And what about Lapin? And while Jake was in the script, he was tragically underused. These characters would have made the plot feel much less generic. What really always made Gambit's solo series great (besides Gambit himself, of course) was the colourful cast of secondary characters in his life. I feel like some of them are underused or just plain absent here. This is one of the reasons I've always thought Gambit would work best as a TV series.


*I wasn't a fan of how the Thieves Guild was presented here. They are more of this ragtag band of petty thieves and not a crime syndicate. In a series, I would kinda like to see both families own and operate seemingly legitimate corporations that are really just a front for two crime syndicates fighting for control of the New Orleans underworld.


*On the assassin side, I enjoyed Belladonna. But I did kind of wish there were a little less emphasis on their relationship. Kind of a lot for an action movie. And while I don't mind it when they race/sex bend characters, I didn't see any point in changing Marius's sex. In fact, it kind of made Belladonna look weak and indecisive by comparison. Bella always looks so badass in part because she took over her dad's murder business and is an excellent leader whom people fear. She is a woman in this male-dominated group of killers and she is THE boss b*tch. Drop-dead gorgeous, but also dangerous with a cruel streak.


*The final confrontation between Gambit and Sinister felt a bit anticlimactic to me. I'm not even sure why.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: andresa on April 19, 2020, 03:59:23 PM
I though it was just fanart but Dike Ruen posted on 24.03 pic and team has the same costumes.



It seems Marvwl comissioned him.


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ET4xrSlU4AMp7Zs?format=jpg&name=large)


I'm all for a revival/sequel to the animated series.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: hairlesscat on April 19, 2020, 04:11:11 PM
All this new Gambit stuff seems to confirm that MCU has plans for him.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on April 19, 2020, 05:38:56 PM
I new Marvel game is available on Android and iOS called Marvel Superwars and Gambit is being introduced to this game.  Here is the first look before the complete character designs is revealed tomorrow.


Cool! Is this game good?


I have Gambit in Future fight. Cool mobile game.
Wasn't able to get Remy in Contast of champions so deleted it.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on April 19, 2020, 05:48:41 PM
All this new Gambit stuff seems to confirm that MCU has plans for him.


I hope for the same. We desperately need awesome MCU Gambit.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on April 19, 2020, 05:58:42 PM
@Hairlesscat, compelet agree. I didn't like Guilds in script. They were like just like simple burglars from Layman's bad solo. They needed their own rules, ancient traditions, secret info library. Also their own money, clubs and other stuff like in John Wick movies.


It was 2015 second draft. Probably next drafts changed it for better.
Gambit was awesome in it. Loved scene with orange. So dangerous.


Also plan with envelopes. Really smart.


Third act with big thievery is very good written for me.


I am sure that D+ can give more in 6 hours then movie in 2.
But I am sure that we won't get some awesome stuff in D+ thay we could have in that movie.
Also feel bad for Tatum. But it seems he agreed with Disney that he moves away from Gambit project and will be making other projects for Disney.

Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Kenta on April 19, 2020, 06:46:56 PM
Quote from: purplevit link=topic=5271. msg77833#msg77833 date=1587332336

Cool! Is this game good?


I have Gambit in Future fight.  Cool mobile game. 
Wasn't able to get Remy in Contast of champions so deleted it.


It's a free to play moba game Like league of legends and u can easily get Gambit when he comes out next week for free.  He will also come with alternative costumes.  I will post it here as soon as I get more information.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Kenta on April 19, 2020, 06:53:07 PM
Quote from: purplevit link=topic=5271. msg77835#msg77835 date=1587333522
@Hairlesscat, compelet agree.  I didn't like Guilds in script.  They were like just like simple burglars from Layman's bad solo.  They needed their own rules, ancient traditions, secret info library.  Also their own money, clubs and other stuff like in John Wick movies. 


It was 2015 second draft.  Probably next drafts changed it for better. 
Gambit was awesome in it.  Loved scene with orange.  So dangerous.


Also plan with envelopes.  Really smart.


Third act with big thievery is very good written for me. 


I am sure that D+ can give more in 6 hours then movie in 2.
But I am sure that we won't get some awesome stuff in D+ thay we could have in that movie. 
Also feel bad for Tatum.  But it seems he agreed with Disney that he moves away from Gambit project and will be making other projects for Disney.


The guild could have been shown in better light but the story was already to cramped.  Focusing on the guild with have taken the focus away from Remy.  Remy was shown to be very similar to the Claremount era Gambit dangerous, sexy n the journey of his character was good. 
Hoped with some tweak to the script we could have seen a Gambit movie if Fox didn't cut the budget.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: hairlesscat on April 19, 2020, 07:17:27 PM

The guild could have been shown in better light but the story was already to cramped.  Focusing on the guild with have taken the focus away from Remy.  Remy was shown to be very similar to the Claremount era Gambit dangerous, sexy n the journey of his character was good. 
Hoped with some tweak to the script we could have seen a Gambit movie if Fox didn't cut the budget.
I don't think it would have taken very much time to establish that the New Orleans Thieves Guild was an organization of elite thieves. A couple of lines about it towards the beginning followed by a montage of his thief training could have done the trick. They could even have extended the run time a little if it were that big of a concern.


I mean, let's be honest: if Jean-Luc hadn't adopted Remy, Remy would probably still be picking pockets and running petty scams. He had talent, but he needed training. This script makes it seem like he was already going to be a master thief without Jean-Luc and the Guild.


Also, don't worry! I'm sure we'll get even more Gambit badassery in the MCU.  ;D
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: DonPriceTag on April 19, 2020, 10:01:17 PM
How I saw it, Dani ends up locked in the sanitarium. She had to get there somehow which means she had a life before it. This could ha e been it. Sam with Madrox. He was arrested as a bank robber in X3. Gambit could have been his starting point. Especially being a member of the Guild.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Kenta on April 20, 2020, 12:05:21 AM
Here is the look for Gambit from Marvel Super Wars.  He looks amazing btw.  Will be posting his gameplay video tomorrow.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on April 20, 2020, 03:19:54 AM

It's a free to play moba game Like league of legends and u can easily get Gambit when he comes out next week for free.  He will also come with alternative costumes.  I will post it here as soon as I get more information.


Cool! Thanks for info. Glad that I can choose him from the start.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on April 20, 2020, 03:21:07 AM
Here is the look for Gambit from Marvel Super Wars.  He looks amazing btw.  Will be posting his gameplay video tomorrow.


Cool! Fingers crossed for Mann's costume as alternative variant.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on April 20, 2020, 04:23:03 AM
I don't think it would have taken very much time to establish that the New Orleans Thieves Guild was an organization of elite thieves. A couple of lines about it towards the beginning followed by a montage of his thief training could have done the trick. They could even have extended the run time a little if it were that big of a concern.


I mean, let's be honest: if Jean-Luc hadn't adopted Remy, Remy would probably still be picking pockets and running petty scams. He had talent, but he needed training. This script makes it seem like he was already going to be a master thief without Jean-Luc and the Guild.


Also, don't worry! I'm sure we'll get even more Gambit badassery in the MCU.  ;D


Yes. Montage can do wonders. Like Guy Ritchie showed how Arthur became adult in less then 3 minutes in King Arthur Legend of the sword. Awesome scene.
Link for video
https://youtu.be/f7lta2lEZN8 (https://youtu.be/f7lta2lEZN8)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: wantutosigh on April 20, 2020, 06:52:07 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtUo4-x7HRc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtUo4-x7HRc)


Here's a vid of them talking about Rogue being a villain for a little while in the MCU and that they want to start developing Gambit and Rogue's relationship while she's a villain. Interesting, is what I'll say for now.


Thanks Don for the Gambit script. I'll be reading it soon.


Neko, Disney + still only gives me the option of Wolverine and Storm as profile Avatars. I don't get it. >:(
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: hairlesscat on April 20, 2020, 11:27:17 PM
Hmm... Interesting. I just hope that by the time they cross paths, Gambit isn't a complete do-gooder. He's no fun as a straight arrow. :p
I'm tempted to feel like it should be the other way around because of the Guild and all. But I'm intrigued.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on April 21, 2020, 06:23:41 AM
I doubt that Gambit will be a a complete do-gooder. If they meet each other then they probably just need the same item for different reasons. For example Gambit needs medicine to save some human girl and Rogue will need it to save some mutant terrorist.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: bigbarda on April 21, 2020, 10:25:35 AM

I'd be really surprised if Gambit was introduced as a good guy. Ant-Man had to give up his life of thievery (sort of) before he got hero status. Unless the MCU takes a radically different view of property crime post-Thanos, stealing is morally ambiguous at best.


I don't want Marvel writers (aka SJW identity politic pushing progressive twats) touching Gambit.


I want REAL writers to do so.


Like... like Chris Claremont? Dude, the X-men are the most inherently and overtly political superhero comics.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: hairlesscat on April 21, 2020, 11:02:32 AM
Like... like Chris Claremont? Dude, the X-men are the most inherently and overtly political superhero comics.
That's what I said! It's so silly to complain about SJW and identity politics in X-men. They are literally one big metaphor for the Civil Rights Movement.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on April 21, 2020, 12:04:42 PM
I'd be really surprised if Gambit was introduced as a good guy. Ant-Man had to give up his life of thievery (sort of) before he got hero status. Unless the MCU takes a radically different view of property crime post-Thanos, stealing is morally ambiguous at best.


Like... like Chris Claremont? Dude, the X-men are the most inherently and overtly political superhero comics.


Ant-Man is a dad and his movies are not very serious. Gambit must be much more into criminal world.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Paneo01 on April 21, 2020, 02:08:17 PM
Good Guy …. bad girl for Disney??  It was kinda the opposite.

Hmmm. Gambit was always an ANTI hero. This guys better not make him so watered down hes unrecognizable ::) :-\ :idiot2:
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: hairlesscat on April 21, 2020, 02:58:35 PM
Agreed. Gambit is a classic bad boy. I hope he got that part mixed up.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on April 21, 2020, 03:04:05 PM
Like... like Chris Claremont? Dude, the X-men are the most inherently and overtly political superhero comics.
That's what I said! It's so silly to complain about SJW and identity politics in X-men. They are literally one big metaphor for the Civil Rights Movement.
I think perhaps some ideas are not being presented clearly enough for a differentiation between CC's days and today's day and age. Just a thought.

RE: Gambit, Disney+ If Disney can make R rated movies with characters like Deadpool.  A more grittier take would work fine for Gambit.
Neko, Disney + still only gives me the option of Wolverine and Storm as profile Avatars. I don't get it. >:(
Without doing research, I have no idea why that avatar wouldn't show up.  Very weird I can totally get the frustration. Try the search in app, can't hurt, right?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: andresa on April 21, 2020, 04:23:06 PM
I really don't see Gambit being the good guy and Rogue being full villain. If they are both antiheroes, then it could work. Reproducing the early stages of their relationship in the comics could make for a fun story, which I don’t really mind as long as Gambit has development of his own first.

People can’t seriously compare a character/plot-driven writer like Claremont to brats who yell at the people who consume comics to try to win arguments on twitter. Plot and character should come before political correctness. Or let’s just pretend that a character like Snowflake is as relevant and significant as a character like Storm.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: hairlesscat on April 21, 2020, 05:57:25 PM
So, here's the thing. For me, this is not about artistic merits as that is a huge rabbit hole that I have no desire to travel through. There is an entire generation that started reading before Claremont who think his stuff is absolute crap. There are people who would kill you for thinking that Grant Morrison's fart noises aren't genius. And on and on and on. Someday (if not even now), there will be people who love the current style of storytelling and its thematic elements. That is their choice and I take no issue with anyone's take on these things.

What I find ridiculous is the idea of complaining about there being too much diversity in a comics franchise that is unabashedly based on the Civil Rights Movement. Are there annoying people on the internet? Yes, there are. Of MANY different political viewpoints. Is that ALL there currently is to people and groups who fight for social justice? Absolutely not. There is lobbying, there are protests, there are calls to action. People's rights are still being threatened. And terms like SJW are regularly flung at people in order to shame and discourage them from caring about the human rights of others. I find the term offensive. I also find that it is often used by those privileged enough to ignore minorities and their problems. It is also exceptionally privileged to decry identity politics, since a person's race/sex/class/sexual orientation/etc. affects virtually everything about their world and the way they experience it. We ALL "play identity politics". However, some people's identities have been shoved down everyone else's throats as the default when it is not.

If you have a problem with writing and character, say that. I do too. But blaming diversity and inclusion in a comic like X-men is just ridiculous given its history.

P.S. Chris Claremont would ABSOLUTELY have been considered a progressive/"SJW" in his time.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Icefanatic on April 21, 2020, 06:13:51 PM
Like... like Chris Claremont? Dude, the X-men are the most inherently and overtly political superhero comics.

That's what I said! It's so silly to complain about SJW and identity politics in X-men. They are literally one big metaphor for the Civil Rights Movement.

People can’t seriously compare a character/plot-driven writer like Claremont to brats who yell at the people who consume comics to try to win arguments on twitter. Plot and character should come before political correctness. Or let’s just pretend that a character like Snowflake is as relevant and significant as a character like Storm.

To be blunt there is a huge difference between a firefighter and some angry (o) pissing on something while it burns.

A modern 'SJW' writer would make Gambit gay and/or transgendered in a heartbeat. They would do it with little to no thought, regard or care for who Gambit actually is or has been for decades. They would justify and defend it as 'progress'. They would label, demonize and attack any who didn't like it, agree with it or even believe it as 'bigots', and they would do it echoed and abetted by rabid 'SJW ' fans who care about little no nothing else than the illusion of social justice and advocacy.

That isn't Chris Claremont on his worst day. It also isn't social justice or any other kind of justice. It's injustice done in the name of fighting it, wrong done in the name of right. And people repeatedly saying that Stan Lee or Chris Claremont were the 'SJW's of their day' as some sort of counter-argument against what fans are stuck dealing with today is nothing but a straw man argument.

Meanings change over time.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on April 21, 2020, 07:04:42 PM
 I do believe meanings have changed over time. The metaphor the Xmen were built on, no longer exists in 2020 and probably hasn't existed for 15 or more years. The Xmen are watered down in their story plight to enlighten.

 
The Xmen have become stories about space, or increased population or fighting whatever bad-group of the month, they don't fight for equality or any other social injustice. It's not written anymore. The books  I have bought had nothing to do with social injustice nor did they foster justice and I haven't bought one in some time. IMO.
 
Yes, you can say 1960's – somewhere to the 1990's to early 2000's, that metaphor held, I don't think it does anymore and hasn't for sometime. I can't broad stroke (painting metaphor) for what they should represent when the Xmen haven't represented in some time. IMO. I think the Xmen metaphor lost its poignancy and relevance based on writing in the early or mid 2000's. The writers stopped using the metaphor. I'm not saying its not important, I'm saying the creative people at Marvel changed and with it, so did the Xmen.

 
I have no problem with diversity or social justice – show it, enlighten people. The media is the best to showcase that and media can do it best but the method with social applications (twitter/facebook/tumblr/etc) was always my issue and I've stated that before. There should be no bullying, online or in person to win the SJW stance, more damage can be done when negligent. I've seen it. That is not an experience to be taken away for philosophy. It's an understanding that to SJW, find the better method. IMO.

 
Please accept that we understand or experienced some things differently and others have not and that no topic is black and white. There are shades of gray everywhere.

Play nice and I mean that fondly. :)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: andresa on April 21, 2020, 07:26:40 PM
Something I've always found appealing about the X-Men was exactly the diverse cast of characters from different countries, cultures and backgrounds, and the strong female characters. That’s something I loved as a kid and still do. However, I do have a problem with how inclusion and diversity are handled nowadays, in comics and other mediums, by incompetent so-called writers, adults who act like spoiled brats and attack anyone who dare disagree with their hypocritical political view. The problem isn’t diversity (that’s the whole core of the X-Men), it’s HOW it’s done for the past years.

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However, some people's identities have been shoved down everyone else's throats as the default when it is not.

This is exactly what’s happing now. A vocal minority of supposed progressives imposing their agendas on everyone else. It seems every character created as of late has to be diverse somehow. That's not even realistic. It really isn't diversity when almost no one can relate.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Toadman005 on April 22, 2020, 10:33:39 AM

So, here's the thing. For me, this is not about artistic merits as that is a huge rabbit hole that I have no desire to travel through. There is an entire generation that started reading before Claremont who think his stuff is absolute crap. There are people who would kill you for thinking that Grant Morrison's fart noises aren't genius. And on and on and on. Someday (if not even now), there will be people who love the current style of storytelling and its thematic elements. That is their choice and I take no issue with anyone's take on these things.

Granted. Comics are subjective. However, there is a general consensus. I doubt that the general consensus will ever view this generation of comics favorably. As evident by the fact that this generation's approach has killed the industry.

What I find ridiculous is the idea of complaining about there being too much diversity in a comics franchise that is unabashedly based on the Civil Rights Movement.

No one here has done that.
Are there annoying people on the internet? Yes, there are. Of MANY different political viewpoints.
Some more than others.


Is that ALL there currently is to people and groups who fight for social justice? Absolutely not. There is lobbying, there are protests, there are calls to action.

yeah...doxing, threats, bans on Twitter....

People's rights are still being threatened.

True...the way this Covid-19 threat has allowed draconian Governors and politicians, political activists posing as journalists, big tech, and agenda pushing actors to roll back basic and constitutionally protected human rights IS frightening.

But, I'm sure you meant something else... in which I'd ask you to list them, so I could refute them, but, why?

And terms like SJW are regularly flung at people in order to shame and discourage them from caring about the human rights of others.

And yet, the term is used by self proclaimed and adamantly proud Social Justice "warriors" (I can't help but laugh at that, btw). Just as feminist has become an insult to some, or used as a disparaging term by others, perhaps the SJW community should self reflect as to how their boorish behavior has made using the term as a rib possible.


I find the term offensive.

Well...sorry.


I also find that it is often used by those privileged enough to ignore minorities and their problems.

Your bias is noted.


It is also exceptionally privileged to decry identity politics, since a person's race/sex/class/sexual orientation/etc. affects virtually everything about their world and the way they experience it.

I think it's exceptionally privileged to push this/your narrative on the world, and expect it to be accepted as fact.



We ALL "play identity politics".

Tribalism is a zero sum game. We don't "all" do it...but for arguments sake, I'll concur, but then reiterate an earlier point...some do it far more than others.



However, some people's identities have been shoved down everyone else's throats as the default when it is not.

Exactly. You just described modern Marvel's approach to writing....and why the industry is dead.


If you have a problem with writing and character, say that. I do too.

I did.


But blaming diversity and inclusion in a comic like X-men is just ridiculous given its history.

I didn't.


P.S. Chris Claremont would ABSOLUTELY have been considered a progressive/"SJW" in his time.
I read Claremont in his time. So, I can absolutely speak to that fact that his writing was progressive, for the time. But, it was natural, fluid, it came from a place of well-intended optimism. That is not what the vast majority of Marvel's "progressive" garbage is, today. I already spoke about it at length earlier in this thread, I believe (and specifically about Iceman). If you cannot differentiate, I'm afraid there's not much I can do about that. I could list examples, but, ultimately, subjective interpretation would be argued, and it would become circular and pointless.





Admin edit for weird formatting.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Toadman005 on April 22, 2020, 10:35:05 AM
Apologies for the formatting.  :o  I may try and fix...
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on April 22, 2020, 11:08:27 AM
LOL - that is some fixing. I'll try to help out. LMAO
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Toadman005 on April 22, 2020, 11:17:40 AM
Haha sorry about that. Honestly, no need to fix, it's not really important.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on April 22, 2020, 11:20:54 AM
I agree, let it ride as it were. LMAO. I don't know what it is, be it phones or different apps. It's readable, good enough.

admin - with the boredom, I might, its the size quote or lack there of, I know it or so I think.  LMAO

edit: it was the lack of first size quote that made it weird, I've fixed and if's not quite right, tell me or fix. I've got the formatting in place for editing for the post.  Let me know if you need more help or tell me to butt out. LOL
Okay - to you Toadman005, I have your original post without the formatting error. I can revert but I think I got all of your comments in place. :)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Kenta on April 23, 2020, 12:15:24 AM
Gambit's gameplay video has been released for Marvel Super War and he will be available to play later today. 
 https://youtu. be/DjmkGoemKME
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on April 23, 2020, 02:45:03 AM
Gambit's gameplay video has been released for Marvel Super War and he will be available to play later today. 
 https://youtu. be/DjmkGoemKME


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbvHxWTbBfo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbvHxWTbBfo)


Visually future fight Gambit has a better skills.
I hope his skills are strong for this game so he won`t be low tier.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Kenta on April 23, 2020, 04:07:25 AM
Yeah his future fight skills set are good but he is like a glass canon where he can't take much hit.  It also disappointed me that he didn't get any new skin since his debut.  In Superwar he is a marksman type hero so his attacks reach peak once he levels up to 15.  He is also getting an alternate costume but real money will be needed to get it.  Gambit can be bought using in game coins without having to pay any money but you can also purchase him.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on April 23, 2020, 05:21:54 AM
Yeah his future fight skills set are good but he is like a glass canon where he can't take much hit.  It also disappointed me that he didn't get any new skin since his debut.  In Superwar he is a marksman type hero so his attacks reach peak once he levels up to 15.  He is also getting an alternate costume but real money will be needed to get it.  Gambit can be bought using in game coins without having to pay any money but you can also purchase him.


Cool! Love that MMX costume. Maybe you know if this game is planned to release in other countries? It seems I can play it only with VPN in my country.


Completely agree about future fight.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Kenta on April 23, 2020, 09:08:04 AM
Yes u will need a VPN currently as the game hasn't released globally yet.  I loved that they went with MMX as alternative costume as it is a very recent book and we will get more costumes in the future.  My in game name is Saiyanbaba if u wanna add me as it friend. 
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: anya on April 23, 2020, 11:42:09 AM
That is a cool alternate costume, and I don’t know enough about video games to make any other comments. ;)


About movie/ TV speculation, since we are in speculation mode, if the rumors are true (big if there) and rogue is a bad guy in captain marvel 2, that’s it out for a couple more years and a (possible) gambit tv show would also be a few years away. But if they came out at similar times, rogue would have that one ‘bad guy’ appearance, but gambit would have a year or two’s worth of tv shows. She it’s possible he joins the X-men first and that would be the possible good guy/bad girl dynamic that was mentioned. Not that he’s going to be a straight arrow’ type character. Of course, this is all still glorious speculation...
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on April 23, 2020, 12:21:04 PM
Yes u will need a VPN currently as the game hasn't released globally yet.  I loved that they went with MMX as alternative costume as it is a very recent book and we will get more costumes in the future.  My in game name is Saiyanbaba if u wanna add me as it friend.


Thanks. Cool! Will try to download it tomorrow and find you.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on April 23, 2020, 12:39:29 PM
That is a cool alternate costume, and I don’t know enough about video games to make any other comments. ;)


About movie/ TV speculation, since we are in speculation mode, if the rumors are true (big if there) and rogue is a bad guy in captain marvel 2, that’s it out for a couple more years and a (possible) gambit tv show would also be a few years away. But if they came out at similar times, rogue would have that one ‘bad guy’ appearance, but gambit would have a year or two’s worth of tv shows. She it’s possible he joins the X-men first and that would be the possible good guy/bad girl dynamic that was mentioned. Not that he’s going to be a straight arrow’ type character. Of course, this is all still glorious speculation...


If rumours are true then Rogue will appear in CM2 that is July 2022.


Ms Marvel and Hakkeye were suposed to be released in 2021 but who knows noww. If other D+ shows won't get delayed then for 2022 so far announced only She-Huld and Moon Knight.


So I would guess they will add 1 or 2 more shows for D+ for fall 2022. I think it will be Thunderbolts or War Machine.


So I assume that Gambit D+ series will be for 2023. Marauders are rumoured. So it probably will set up Sinister for first X-Men movie on 2024.


All this is just a speculation. Also I don't think that Gambit show will be releasing a season every year.
I think we will get Gambit in D+ series on 2023, then on team movie on 2024, second season D+ on 2025, cameo or a new team movie on 2026 etc.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Kenta on April 23, 2020, 01:28:32 PM
Quote from: purplevit link=topic=5271. msg77871#msg77871 date=1587658864

Thanks.  Cool! Will try to download it tomorrow and find you.


Great.  You know the best part is Gambit came out before some of the most popular X-Men like Cyclops, Wolverine, Rogue just to name a few
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: bigbarda on April 24, 2020, 11:49:54 AM

ETA: To be on topic, the Coronavirus lockdown is going to mess with a lot of Marvel's plans BUT it could be good for things under low key development? Maybe it'll give Fiege and co a lot of thinking time on how the MCU pivots to have mutants and the F4 at its centre. Thor's already using Brood sharks and Falcon&Winter Soldier is using Madripoor.

Something I've always found appealing about the X-Men was exactly the diverse cast of characters from different countries, cultures and backgrounds, and the strong female characters. That’s something I loved as a kid and still do. However, I do have a problem with how inclusion and diversity are handled nowadays, in comics and other mediums, by incompetent so-called writers, adults who act like spoiled brats and attack anyone who dare disagree with their hypocritical political view. The problem isn’t diversity (that’s the whole core of the X-Men), it’s HOW it’s done for the past years.

This is exactly what’s happing now. A vocal minority of supposed progressives imposing their agendas on everyone else. It seems every character created as of late has to be diverse somehow. That's not even realistic. It really isn't diversity when almost no one can relate.


Mutants come from all over the world. How can they not be diverse? If you mean there's a lot of non-heterosexual characters, there's been a huge attitude shift between my generation (early Millennial) and the people born 1998/99 onwards in terms of sexual and gender identity (and labels in general). I've been teaching undergraduate students for the past 5 years and young people are much less likely to apply the identity labels I would have worn at the same age. The vast majority of them are accepting of how everyone else chooses to present themselves, and if or when people change. The two biggest Cons in the UK- Thought Bubble and MCMLondon (rip for now)- are stuffed every year with young people from that same demographic, getting excited to meet creators who write characters who are like them. It's not only business sense to reflect those young people in the comics that Marvel puts out; it reflects the shifting demographics of the writers who are emerging as the hot talents of the industry, even if not all of those writers are not under 25.


Anyway, the diverse range of sexual/gender labels used by The Youth of Today used to really confuse me, but since spending the last five years teaching The Youth of Today they're actually a much cooler and more accepting group of people than my own cohort were. It's like Cure fans not understanding why people like Nirvana, or people my age not getting Ariana Grande. And the X-men are still very relevant to them.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: andresa on April 24, 2020, 04:26:36 PM
*sighs* This topic got old but since you quoted me.

How can they not be diverse? If you mean there's a lot of non-heterosexual characters

I specifically wrote: “…diverse cast of characters from different countries”. Different countries means different cultures, therefore diverse. No, I don’t only mean non-heterosexual characters, I mean different skin colors, religions, experiences and backgrounds.


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there's been a huge attitude shift between my generation (early Millennial) and the people born 1998/99 onwards in terms of sexual and gender identity (and labels in general).


And I find this number of labels absurd, not only the number but also some of these labels (actually, label shouldn’t even be the right word). There’s a lot to this subject but I’m definitely not getting into that.
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I've been teaching undergraduate students for the past 5 years and young people are much less likely to apply the identity labels I would have worn at the same age. The vast majority of them are accepting of how everyone else chooses to present themselves, and if or when people change. The two biggest Cons in the UK- Thought Bubble and MCMLondon (rip for now)- are stuffed every year with young people from that same demographic, getting excited to meet creators who write characters who are like them.
I also teach young people (have for years), and I do see more acceptance in this generation, which is a very positive trait. But again, that hasn't been the point of this discussion. I think you can be whatever you want but you don’t have to right to be offensive to whom have a divergent point of view and expect only respect in return. You don’t have the right to impose your choices on others.
I’ll repeat myself: the point of diversity is representing all kinds of people, when these new creators have all characters to reflect the same small groups of people, then that’s not diversity. Exactly because I have contact with young people on a daily basis I see that most new characters in comics and other mediums are not a reflection of reality.


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It's not only business sense to reflect those young people in the comics that Marvel puts out; it reflects the shifting demographics of the writers who are emerging as the hot talents of the industry, even if not all of those writers are not under 25.

Most comic book readers are not in this age group. If they don’t relate to these new characters, they have the right to complain and not buy/read. When some of these “hot talents” say things like “if you don’t like my politics, don’t buy my books”, when they start petty fights on twitter and call the consumers bigots, racists, intolerant, etc. (which is the norm nowadays), they are the ones being intolerant. Show people your ideas and develop your characters in an organic way, show your stories are worth reading, don't yell at those who think differently.     


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Anyway, the diverse range of sexual/gender labels used by The Youth of Today used to really confuse me, but since spending the last five years teaching The Youth of Today they're actually a much cooler and more accepting group of people than my own cohort were. It's like Cure fans not understanding why people like Nirvana, or people my age not getting Ariana Grande. And the X-men are still very relevant to them.

And that’s how it is, people consider the things of their generation to be better than the current one's. If some of the older readers want to  be faithful to the characters they grew up with and reject new characters they can’t relate to, that's up to them. If the “Snowflakes” of today will stand the test of time, we’ll have to wait to see, although I really doubt it will.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: andresa on April 24, 2020, 04:29:55 PM
Sorry, I somehow double posted while trying to fix the format.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on April 24, 2020, 05:40:13 PM
Yes u will need a VPN currently as the game hasn't released globally yet.  I loved that they went with MMX as alternative costume as it is a very recent book and we will get more costumes in the future.  My in game name is Saiyanbaba if u wanna add me as it friend.


Can't find you for some reason. Add me. Purplevit
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on April 24, 2020, 07:40:54 PM
*sighs* This topic got old but ....
It did, didn't it. I had a whole comment written out, still do but decided to say 'eff it'. Now, I've completely shortened my comments because 'eff it'. LOL

I will add to the more acceptance of youth today, but that isn't because of comic books, imo. I think it has more to do with TV/Movie adaptations. When you are exposed to characterizations that span more than one view, it is easier to see it as norm and judge less.

What say we move on. :)

Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on April 24, 2020, 07:42:53 PM

Can't find you for some reason. Add me. Purplevit
Are you folks able to screen cap what Gambit looks like or was that in an earlier post by Kenta.

I would like to see the art if possible. :)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Kenta on April 25, 2020, 10:08:04 AM
Are you folks able to screen cap what Gambit looks like or was that in an earlier post by Kenta.

I would like to see the art if possible. :)


There are two versions in the game one which is just a picture of the character in two alternative costumes and the other is an interactive model of the character.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Kenta on April 25, 2020, 10:24:34 AM
Art
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Kenta on April 25, 2020, 10:26:12 AM
Primary costume
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Kenta on April 25, 2020, 10:27:22 AM
Neko for some reason I am not able to attach all 4 images as the size shows to be to big. Could u please edit it.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Kenta on April 25, 2020, 10:37:53 AM

Can't find you for some reason. Add me. Purplevit


It might be due to the region. As each region is divided into different parts so that might be reason I am also not able to find u. Saw some of your art of Twitter and you are amazing. Are you a professional artist?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on April 25, 2020, 04:09:21 PM

It might be due to the region. As each region is divided into different parts so that might be reason I am also not able to find u. Saw some of your art of Twitter and you are amazing. Are you a professional artist?


Thanks for kind words. Glad that you liked it. No. My art are just fanart :)


Maybe because of regions. For some reason my internet don't alow me to play this game a lot. Sometimes I can connect to match and sometimes not. Kinda fun game. I hope I will be able to. Open Gambit.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on April 25, 2020, 04:11:13 PM
Neko for some reason I am not able to attach all 4 images as the size shows to be to big. Could u please edit it.




Like MMX as alternative but classic will always be cool.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: anya on April 27, 2020, 10:23:02 AM
Ok, so I finally signed up for Disney plus. I remember someone saying they couldn’t find the gambit icon, only Storm Anne wolverine. On my page storm and wolverine are at the top in a section called Featured ( with a bunch of other random icons.) but the actual section for axmen is at the bottom and all the X-men characters are there.


But the main point of bringing this up again, the X-men have their own section in the icons page. It’s pry still my quarantine mind getting carried away, but the other sections on the page are things like Pixar, Star Wars, Disney princesses, marvel, and they made a separate section for X-men, instead of mixing them in with marvel. And the marvel section isn’t that big, there are just about as many X-men icons as there are marvel ones. Hmmm....
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on April 27, 2020, 12:41:23 PM
yeah, it has gotten more difficult to explain it.  The categories are as I've listed them. Gambit is in the Xmen section, all the way at the bottom. It's the last category and he should be somewhere in the middle. He didn't appear for me because I have chosen Gambit already for my profile icon.


Featured
Disney
Marvel
Star Wars
Pixar
National Geographic
Kids
Mickey Mouse and Friends
Disney Classics
Disney Princess
Villains
Disney Channel
Xmen

Hope it helps.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: RomeoSvengali on May 01, 2020, 04:35:05 AM
More art
https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1628287 (https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1628287)

https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1628244 (https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1628244)

https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1626625 (https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1626625)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Kenta on May 01, 2020, 11:31:33 AM
Check out this amazing Gambit fan art done by Mike Krome
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: anya on May 02, 2020, 10:25:42 AM
Cool art.


So Diamond is going to start shipping again in a couple weeks, so Excalibur 1 will finally come out. I know y’all just can’t wait for that, lol. Though it seems like marvel is going on a slow release schedule for the first month or so.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Kenta on May 02, 2020, 03:47:08 PM
I did read couple of issues of Excalibur but couldn't continue. It was badly written n the only saving grace was the art. Most of the character felt out of character always whining or depressed. Gambit was a joke in this book. Did it get better later on?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on May 03, 2020, 10:05:20 AM

https://www.google.com/amp/s/wegotthiscovered.com/movies/gambit-reportedly-rrated-deadpool-3/amp/ (https://www.google.com/amp/s/wegotthiscovered.com/movies/gambit-reportedly-rrated-deadpool-3/amp/)

WGTC are telling that Disney can make a Gambit R rated movie if Deadpool 3 is a success.

I don't believe it. I think correct rumour is from a different source about D+ series for Gambit.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on May 03, 2020, 10:06:06 AM
I did read couple of issues of Excalibur but couldn't continue. It was badly written n the only saving grace was the art. Most of the character felt out of character always whining or depressed. Gambit was a joke in this book. Did it get better later on?


No. It is till bad. Maybe even worse.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Kenta on May 03, 2020, 11:01:06 AM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/wegotthiscovered.com/movies/gambit-reportedly-rrated-deadpool-3/amp/ (https://www.google.com/amp/s/wegotthiscovered.com/movies/gambit-reportedly-rrated-deadpool-3/amp/)

WGTC are telling that Disney can make a Gambit R rated movie is Deadpool 3 will be a success.

I don't believe it. I think correct rumour is from a different source about D+ series for Gambit.


I don't trust WGTC as they are mostly wrong with their information. I am open to seeing an r rated take on Gambit but I don't see Disney as a brand making a R-rated movie except for Deadpool.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Kenta on May 03, 2020, 11:02:36 AM

No. It is till bad. Maybe even worse.


Glad I didn't pick up the title any more
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: anya on May 03, 2020, 11:28:42 AM
I don’t know, I think Excalibur has got like 1% better, lol.


I would series Disney + series to R rated movie, so I hope you guys are right.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on May 03, 2020, 11:41:40 AM

I don't trust WGTC as they are mostly wrong with their information. I am open to seeing an r rated take on Gambit but I don't see Disney as a brand making a R-rated movie except for Deadpool.


Without FOX that were doing Logan  and Deadpool, Disney is now a monopoly. DC and Sony are not a big deal. People want R rated movies and I am sure that Disney will do them. Maybe as FOX studios.


I think that we will get R rated Deadpool, then R rated Blade that will be a huge success and open door for more R rated movies like Ghost Rider, etc.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: hairlesscat on May 03, 2020, 04:04:12 PM
I don't think people necessarily crave R rated comic book movies per se. They are just okay with it going that way if it is necessary. I can see a Gambit movie having an R rating. That said, I think you can tell Gambit's story perfectly well without a bunch of nudity and gratuitous violence while appealing to an even wider audience.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on May 03, 2020, 05:12:10 PM
Completely agree. R can be used when is needed but not a must be.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Toadman005 on May 04, 2020, 10:21:45 AM
An R rated Gambit would mean, presumably, he could smoke, have sex with women, and occasionally kill.  :gambit:
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: andresa on May 04, 2020, 01:23:03 PM
I was all for an R rated Gambit movie when it was going to be handled by Fox. There would be less restriction of showing violence and sexy scenes, which could’ve been a good thing. But now with the rumors of Disney making a TV show, I’d prefer the TV show to an R rated movie, to be honest. Gambit isn’t an uncontrollable killer like Deadpool or Wolverine. His fighting skills can and should be shown in cool creative ways without graphic violence. Also, Tony Stark was depicted as a ladies’ man without graphic sex scenes, so I’m okay with a PG/PG-13 rated Gambit movie/series. You can get away with a lot in a PG-13 movie. 
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on May 04, 2020, 03:00:45 PM
If Disney can make D+ without R for Moon Knight (if it to be good of course) then they can make a good Gambit without R too.


But a possibility for R Gambit still sounds good.




Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: hairlesscat on May 04, 2020, 03:43:18 PM
I always wondered why Gambit never got a Max title, to be honest. Fantomex got one and I was like "Okay... Him but not Gambit? Makes sense..." Not that I'd read a Max title mind you. Not my thing. It just seems that Gambit would be a perfect star for that kind of thing.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: anya on May 06, 2020, 10:45:52 AM
Heard the fathonmex max title was pretty bad, so nothing lost. ;)  But, yeah, PG-13 movies can be more edgy, they just have to be a bit subtle. And I want gambit interacting with the other X-men characters, which will be in pg-13 land.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: RomeoSvengali on May 07, 2020, 01:29:07 AM
And more art
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Remember Nomad?
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Gambit and Rogue
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Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: andresa on May 15, 2020, 12:48:32 PM
Gambit covering his ears with his hands has gotta be a new low. God, I hate this book.


(https://terrigen-cdn-dev.marvel.com/content/prod/1x/excal2019010_1-3.jpg)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Kenta on May 15, 2020, 03:09:25 PM
This book keeps getting bad n bad each time I see it. Hope the writer makes Gambit get infected with Covid19 and take him out of this team. He doesn't do much of anything in this book.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Kenta on May 16, 2020, 11:52:46 AM
Gambit just got a new uniform for Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3. The costume is inspired from Age of Apocalypse but the colour for the uniform changes looks closer to Shazam. Still it does look cool.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on May 16, 2020, 01:50:46 PM
Gambit just got a new uniform for Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3. The costume is inspired from Age of Apocalypse but the colour for the uniform changes looks closer to Shazam. Still it does look cool.




Cool costumes. Sad that I can't play it. Won't buy switch just for it.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: anya on May 17, 2020, 10:25:29 AM
Huh, wonder why they changed the colors to white and red? Side note, if the white was black, that would be nice look.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Icefanatic on May 19, 2020, 01:29:18 AM
https://comicbook.com/gear/news/x-men-merchandise-gambit-statue-iron-studios-marvel/ (https://comicbook.com/gear/news/x-men-merchandise-gambit-statue-iron-studios-marvel/)

"Sideshow and Iron Studios are proud to announce the latest from the Battle Diorama Series Art Scale 1:10 line - Gambit! From Marvel Comics, the Gambit Art Scale Statue is limited edition and comes with a detailed hand-painted base.
Marvel fans, don't miss your chance to add Gambit 1:10 Statue to your collection.
Materials
Polystone
Product Size
Height: 10.2" (259.08 mm) | Width: 7" (177.8 mm) | Depth: 10.6" (269.24 mm) | Weight: 0.7 lbs (0.32 kg) *

(https://media.comicbook.com/2020/05/x-men-gambit-iron-studios-1-1221243.jpeg)


(https://media.comicbook.com/2020/05/x-men-gambit-iron-studios-2-1221242.jpeg)

(https://media.comicbook.com/2020/05/x-men-gambit-iron-studios-6-1221238.jpeg)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: anya on May 20, 2020, 10:12:19 AM
That’s cool looking. Seems like there’s been a lot of statues recently
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: anya on May 21, 2020, 10:25:33 AM
Ok, I probably won’t do this right, but here’s a link to bleeding cool with the new marvel zombies pops:
https://bleedingcool.com/collectibles/marvel-zombies-funko-pop-funkoween/ (https://bleedingcool.com/collectibles/marvel-zombies-funko-pop-funkoween/)


If it doesn’t works, you get the general idea. ;)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: Nekobaghira on May 21, 2020, 12:32:22 PM
It worked. I've never liked zombies, so I'll pass on those. LOL
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: anya on May 21, 2020, 10:15:44 PM
Yeah, I’m not big on zombies either, but these are kinda cute, sorta. ;p I am undecided. :?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: purplevit on May 25, 2020, 07:59:58 AM
Rumor is that Gambit and more X-Men coming to Marvel Strike Force mobile game soon.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: andresa on May 25, 2020, 10:19:38 AM
Another Gambit figure coming out.


https://bleedingcool.com/collectibles/medicom-mafex-xmen-gambit-figure/
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2020
Post by: anya on May 26, 2020, 10:11:50 AM
That’s really cool looking.