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Title: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Nekobaghira on January 01, 2022, 07:48:27 PM
Gambit Watch 2022 - Let's roll with it baby, baby, let it roll.
I hope that 2022 is better than 2021.
I will close the other thread.

Props to the person who made the art. I would credit but can't find the name, if someone does, lets give the love it needs. :)

Love you all Gambit Guildies.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: killphil on January 02, 2022, 10:23:29 AM

Props to the person who made the art. I would credit but can't find the name, if someone does, lets give the love it needs. :)

Love you all Gambit Guildies
We love you too, Neko. Youve been a staple of the online Gambit fan community for as long as I've been online. Appreciate you.
As to the art, it's the character model for Gambit in Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hO3MlBqPb0w
Wish I had a console that had the game available. Looks like a decent replacement for Marvel Heroes.

Miss that game so much  :'(
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: purplevit on January 02, 2022, 11:10:26 AM
Happy New Year!!!
Love you All!


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FIBkoeQVcAAwoAn?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: killphil on January 02, 2022, 01:31:59 PM
Happy New Year!!!
Love you All!


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FIBkoeQVcAAwoAn?format=jpg&name=medium)
Did you draw that? It looks amazing  :o
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: purplevit on January 02, 2022, 01:37:10 PM
Did you draw that? It looks amazing  :o


Not me. It is a teaser from artist for Gambit 2022 mini.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on January 05, 2022, 05:56:07 PM
I can’t believe I have to wait til March to see him again! Whhhaaaa! Unless he shows up in X-Men so Rogue can yell at him some more, it’s going to be a long cold lonely winter with no Cajun spice.


Man, Inferno ended as a soft tremulous fart, my last comic for months to come! Sitting out the whole Wolverine series. They doubled down on that gamble. Good luck to Marvel Comics on that, bub.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: purplevit on January 06, 2022, 01:42:38 AM
March? Probably till April.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: DonPriceTag on January 06, 2022, 02:13:29 PM
I... I'm just really hoping Chris Claremont doesn't jump the shark on this. Keep it grounded and don't try to swerve too hard. Art expectations are high for me.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on January 06, 2022, 07:11:53 PM
March? Probably till April.


But at least there will be solicits and things earlier…?


 
I... I'm just really hoping Chris Claremont doesn't jump the shark on this. Keep it grounded and don't try to swerve too hard. Art expectations are high for me.


If Gambit gets possessed or something and spends half the time being a demon I’m gonna be so pissed.


I’m…not sad Hickman is gone. I like elements of this Krakoa era, but all the non-Hickman books I’ve read just seem to be just wandering around and have zero impact. No one could tell a story that might impact Hickman’s Big Idea. Which is all foreplay and no climax. Dude, I’m so frustrated.


I hope him leaving lets writers write more impactful stories.

Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: purplevit on January 07, 2022, 04:35:21 AM
Yeah, hopefully solicits or even some previews this month.


Gambit mini must be good cause except of it he just will be in Tinis prison for the next 2 years again.


Hopefully when X-Men 97 arrives on summer 2023 it will cause a new book for him.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Icefanatic on January 08, 2022, 03:39:57 AM
X-Men '97 cannot get here soon enough.

Calgon, take me away...
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: DonPriceTag on January 11, 2022, 01:55:55 PM

If Gambit gets possessed or something and spends half the time being a demon I’m gonna be so pissed.


C'mon now, it only happened once or... three times. Anyways, that hasn't happened in years... what are the chances? No, seriously... what are they? 10 to 1..?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on January 13, 2022, 09:30:14 AM
Gambit kinda but not really shows up in X-Men Legends #10.



the events take place during X-Men 1991 #34, the issue where Gambit, Psylocke, Beast, and Rogue break into Sinister’s lab to find Threnody. Hearken back like 20 years our time…. Sinister is hosting a dinner party with Amanda Mueller, Xavier, Magneto (why, is he a scientist?), Beast, and Moira. Note that there are six guests, and Magneto would be a vegetable at this time. They’re gathered together to talk human/mutant relations, but they only have 3 hours to do it. Why? You’ll find out. During the conversation, Sinister, with Mueller’s cryptic remarks has a eureka moment of some kind where he realizes the future isn’t human or mutant, but homo-unitus (something like that). The surprise is revealed that everyone is a clone and they’re set to self-destruct (because deep-dive, remember how Sinister’s clones used to come in pairs) including Sinister who seems to develop a conscience and sends his genius revelation about homo-unitis through what I’m guessing is his version of The Cloud. Y’know, to save all life on earth. Meanwhile in the background, it’s revealed the X-Men are blowing up sh!t in Sinister’s lab causing his dinner party locale (a fold in time and space) to collapse on itself. As Mueller talks nerdy to Sinister re:homo-unitus, Gambit appears on the security monitors behind her head several times in a , I dunno…foreshadowy kinda way?


For all Nicieza’s talk about not remembering stuff, it sure seems like his callback to 1995 is spot on. I didn’t think that kind of geek-recall existed outside of fandom, but there ya go. The story is just…weird. It seems like a setup for something that could directly tie into the previews for Destiny of X, like the images of Sinister winning humanitarian awards.


I spent this issue laughing to myself and enjoying the nostalgia. …but then, I love Cobra Kai with a passion, so keep that in mind.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: DonPriceTag on January 13, 2022, 04:44:38 PM
Gambit kinda but not really shows up in X-Men Legends #10.



 …but then, I love Cobra Kai with a passion, so keep that in mind.


In another life, we could have been Ocotpi.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: andresa on January 14, 2022, 10:34:11 PM
https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/the-90s-are-back-x-men-92-puts-a-radical-new-spin-on-house-of-x (https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/the-90s-are-back-x-men-92-puts-a-radical-new-spin-on-house-of-x)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Nekobaghira on January 18, 2022, 04:32:11 PM
I play this card game and everytime I log in, the female Elf reminds me of what Apocalypse would look like if he was a woman. LOL (She is on the bottom right.)
Back to Gambit - nothing to add in regards to the article about back to the '90's other than someone actually saying they liked the books and stuff back then.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: purplevit on January 19, 2022, 10:48:45 AM
French actor Gaspard Ulliel dies at 37 after skiing accident.Terrible news.He was fancasted as Remy by most fans. Rest in peace.



edit: formatting craziness
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Nekobaghira on January 19, 2022, 03:30:08 PM
That is so sad to hear. RIP. Sympathies to his family, friends and fans.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: purplevit on January 20, 2022, 06:45:28 AM

No Claremont`s Gambit in April 2022 solicits.  No one announces books in December 2021 that will be released half a year later in May 2022 or even later.
It seems that Marvel finally noticed that Gambit fans are not excited for KOX and won't buy relaunch of trash Excalibur with a new Logo so decided to throw a bone and announce an unready Gambit mini with rushed cover to keep Gambit fans buying books.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: purplevit on January 26, 2022, 01:26:12 PM
Gambit appeared in Black Panther #3.
Remy had 1 line and looked kinda short.Nothing to check it for. Probably the only time we will see Gambit on Arrako.
Well, at least he didn't get ass kicked. Gambit: Stormy said her ex-husband was coming by.Gambit wanted to make sure you ain't here to break her heart. Again

edit: formatting
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: purplevit on January 26, 2022, 04:16:02 PM
Panel


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FKB5pIXXMAAKC2G?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: anya on January 27, 2022, 10:54:37 AM
At least someone remembered that they’re friends. *shrugs*
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: DonPriceTag on January 27, 2022, 11:29:17 PM
More third person talk from a writer that obviously has known the character via the cartoon.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Nekobaghira on January 28, 2022, 12:31:20 PM
More third person talk from a writer that obviously has known the character via the cartoon.
Yeah, it is disappointing.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on January 29, 2022, 04:53:37 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CZU7qxBP4lg/?utm_medium=copy_link (https://www.instagram.com/p/CZU7qxBP4lg/?utm_medium=copy_link)


Go to Mr. Claremont’s insta feed and look at the 4th item! You will be so happy!
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Nekobaghira on January 29, 2022, 04:59:53 PM
Cool!
Quote
And at the very start of Summer, one if the coolest mini-series I’ve done in quite a while — Gambit (& ‘Ro) with brilliant art by Sid Kotian!
From ChrisClaremont's Instagram.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: DonPriceTag on January 31, 2022, 08:01:52 AM
Summer... ok.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on January 31, 2022, 06:52:18 PM
i was really hoping it would start at the same time as KOX started, to take some of the sting out of howard's handling of gambit. and also i'd like to see some second-tier revamp of Legends it outsell that otherworld  :-X .


wonder what his next project is. he'd mentioned something in a previous post about wanting to do something about mutants who didn't want to leave their lives and families for krakoa.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: DonPriceTag on February 01, 2022, 08:08:52 AM


wonder what his next project is. he'd mentioned something in a previous post about wanting to do something about mutants who didn't want to leave their lives and families for Krakoa.


They'd never let him do that. Not after that Marauders Annual where Brimstone (a demonic character) was basically the voice of anyone that thinks Krakoa isn't the best-est-thing-ever. Don't get me wrong - I liked the concept of Krakoa and agree to narrative reasons for its creation, but I also believe it's #$#%#%% obvious that Hickman meant it to eventually end. He set up too many blatant cracks in its foundation from character behavior, doctrine, and international presence. He even built in a reset button. Most of this 3yr narrative was undone abruptly in about 10-issues between Trial of Magneto and Inferno. Thing is, bringing this up makes you a problem as a reader, so I seriously doubt they'll allow Claremont to sow similar views within the lore and make it a canon view of the situation.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on February 01, 2022, 10:09:32 AM

They'd never let him do that. Not after that Marauders Annual where Brimstone (a demonic character) was basically the voice of anyone that thinks Krakoa isn't the best-est-thing-ever. Don't get me wrong - I liked the concept of Krakoa and agree to narrative reasons for its creation, but I also believe it's #$#%#%% obvious that Hickman meant it to eventually end. He set up too many blatant cracks in its foundation from character behavior, doctrine, and international presence. He even built in a reset button. Most of this 3yr narrative was undone abruptly in about 10-issues between Trial of Magneto and Inferno. Thing is, bringing this up makes you a problem as a reader, so I seriously doubt they'll allow Claremont to sow similar views within the lore and make it a canon view of the situation.


Yup.


Krakoa is like Brave New World set on the Lord of the Flies island meets Animal Farm after Doctor Moreau experimented on Napoleon and Snowball. All of these are very good stories, but are intended to make you question society and humanity. To 86 that is missing the point. Were we supposed to like Krakoa? You can like the story, but I feel like we're one event away from people mixing kiddie pools fool of Flavor Aid here.


Krakoa concept good, set up meh, execution meh.


I think I agree with the demon.


Maybe they are just out of ideas, and that's why they're going to run Krakoa until the wheels fall off and why have Gambit's solo set in the 90s.

Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Nekobaghira on February 02, 2022, 12:53:37 PM
Via twitter DiscussingFilm account:
Quote
Channing Tatum says “once Gambit went away, I was so traumatized. I shut off my Marvel machine. I haven’t been able to see any of the movies. I loved the character. It was too sad. It was like losing a friend because I was so ready to play him.”
(Source: https://wp.me/pc8uak-1lADP6)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: purplevit on February 02, 2022, 01:24:09 PM
Full interview



https://variety.com/2022/film/news/channing-tatum-magic-mike-dog-lost-city-1235168780/ (https://variety.com/2022/film/news/channing-tatum-magic-mike-dog-lost-city-1235168780/)

Another missed opportunity: Tatum and Carolin spent four years developing “Gambit,” a raunchy stand-alone superhero movie about the “X-Men” mutant, for 20th Century Fox. “The studio really didn’t want us to direct it,” Tatum says. “They wanted anybody but us, essentially, because we had never directed anything.”

Tatum was so in love with the script that Carolin had co-written, which resembled the tone of “Deadpool,” that he was open to letting go of directing. “They would call him ‘flamboyant’ in his description,” Tatum says, defending the title character from any pushback as if he were real. “I wouldn’t — he was just the coolest person. He could pull anything off. Most superheroes, their outfits are utilitarian. Batman’s got his belt. Gambit’s like, ‘No, this s***’s just fly, bro! This s*** walked down the Paris runway last year.’ He’s just wearing the stuff that’s so dope because he loves fashion.”

But after Disney merged with Fox, “Gambit” became a casualty of the corporate takeover in 2019.

“Once ‘Gambit’ went away, I was so traumatized,” Tatum says, adding that he swore off watching the Avengers. “I shut off my Marvel machine. I haven’t been able to see any of the movies. I loved that character. It was just too sad. It was like losing a friend because I was so ready to play him.”
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Nekobaghira on February 02, 2022, 04:24:08 PM
Thanks Purplevit for posting the entire part about Tatum/Carolin Gambit project that never happened.

It was obvious Tatum really had a passion for the character. And still does based on the interview with "Variety".

Disney isn't doing much in the way of 'new content'. Taking their animated films and doing live action is not new content, imo. Outside of Star Wars.

It's gonna be a whole year or more before Xmen '97.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: purplevit on February 03, 2022, 02:52:12 AM
Gambit small preview from Claremont Instagram if someone missed it :gambit:



Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: thjan on February 03, 2022, 07:48:28 AM
Gambit small preview from Claremont Instagram if someone missed it :gambit:


And the lediableblanc fansite tumblr somehow got an enlarged version of it- https://lediableblancdotcom.tumblr.com/post/674749506855813120/posted-by-chris-claremont-earlier-today


(https://i.imgur.com/YolVxQC.jpg)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: hairlesscat on February 03, 2022, 08:05:55 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CZU7qxBP4lg/?utm_medium=copy_link (https://www.instagram.com/p/CZU7qxBP4lg/?utm_medium=copy_link)


Go to Mr. Claremont’s insta feed and look at the 4th item! You will be so happy!
I hope it isn't costarring Rogue.


EDIT: Looks like Storm? Interesting.


I always appreciated Tatum's passion for the character, but I still think he was the wrong actor to play him.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: purplevit on February 03, 2022, 10:06:17 AM

And the lediableblanc fansite tumblr somehow got an enlarged version of it- https://lediableblancdotcom.tumblr.com/post/674749506855813120/posted-by-chris-claremont-earlier-today


(https://i.imgur.com/YolVxQC.jpg)


Wow! Thanks for huge preview, Thjan!
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: purplevit on February 03, 2022, 10:18:31 AM
So Shadow King to be the main villain of mini?

I hope this mini will create some new cool Gambit villains. Remy needs more of his own adversaries.


I remember that Claremont told that artist designed some cool villains designs for last issue.


I think Gambit mini may be as Logan movie where main hero protects little girl.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Nekobaghira on February 03, 2022, 12:33:48 PM
I'm not surprised on villain, he's always loved Storm.
Hopefully, he'll give Gambit some love since he was part creator. :)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Icefanatic on February 03, 2022, 04:09:39 PM
Full interview



https://variety.com/2022/film/news/channing-tatum-magic-mike-dog-lost-city-1235168780/ (https://variety.com/2022/film/news/channing-tatum-magic-mike-dog-lost-city-1235168780/)

Another missed opportunity: Tatum and Carolin spent four years developing “Gambit,” a raunchy stand-alone superhero movie about the “X-Men” mutant, for 20th Century Fox. “The studio really didn’t want us to direct it,” Tatum says. “They wanted anybody but us, essentially, because we had never directed anything.”

Tatum was so in love with the script that Carolin had co-written, which resembled the tone of “Deadpool,” that he was open to letting go of directing. “They would call him ‘flamboyant’ in his description,” Tatum says, defending the title character from any pushback as if he were real. “I wouldn’t — he was just the coolest person. He could pull anything off. Most superheroes, their outfits are utilitarian. Batman’s got his belt. Gambit’s like, ‘No, this s***’s just fly, bro! This s*** walked down the Paris runway last year.’ He’s just wearing the stuff that’s so dope because he loves fashion.”

But after Disney merged with Fox, “Gambit” became a casualty of the corporate takeover in 2019.

“Once ‘Gambit’ went away, I was so traumatized,” Tatum says, adding that he swore off watching the Avengers. “I shut off my Marvel machine. I haven’t been able to see any of the movies. I loved that character. It was just too sad. It was like losing a friend because I was so ready to play him.”

That is actually heartbreaking. I knew the Gambit film was a passion-project for Tatum, but had no idea his love for Gambit was that strong.

And the lediableblanc fansite tumblr somehow got an enlarged version of it- https://lediableblancdotcom.tumblr.com/post/674749506855813120/posted-by-chris-claremont-earlier-today


(https://i.imgur.com/YolVxQC.jpg)
Finally, something to really look forward to! It looks like a time machine back to when the X-books were good.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: wantutosigh on February 03, 2022, 06:02:45 PM
Yeah, this is the first book I've been excited for since Mr. and Mrs. X. Art looks good. Really hope Claremont gives us some great Gambit material to enjoy.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Nekobaghira on February 03, 2022, 07:40:15 PM
That is actually heartbreaking. I knew the Gambit film was a passion-project for Tatum, but had no idea his love for Gambit was that strong.
Finally, something to really look forward to! It looks like a time machine back to when the X-books were good.
I thought the same thing. I really felt for him with the interview and can understand. I don't buy books for Gambit anymore because I seriously can not take his characterization by the last few writers.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on February 04, 2022, 07:48:26 AM
The preview doesn’t tell us anything new about Gambit and Lil Ro’s history (other than Storm rides a skateboard), so I’m hoping mention of Shadow King is just a recap to get us back to what that time was like. Because again…Shadow King = possessed Gambit and I DO NOT WANT.


From the script CC had teased earlier in the year, it mentioned a riverboat gambling scene and explosions. Not SK’s usual MO.


How is Gambit walking around in a Midwest town in that outfit?  ;D 
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Icefanatic on February 07, 2022, 03:26:02 PM
The preview doesn’t tell us anything new about Gambit and Lil Ro’s history (other than Storm rides a skateboard), so I’m hoping mention of Shadow King is just a recap to get us back to what that time was like. Because again…Shadow King = possessed Gambit and I DO NOT WANT.


From the script CC had teased earlier in the year, it mentioned a riverboat gambling scene and explosions. Not SK’s usual MO.


How is Gambit walking around in a Midwest town in that outfit?  ;D
Three days and no one posted this?!

https://youtu.be/DjC6NUHhSZI 

It was a perfect setup.
...

Also, there is no ability for YouTube insert/embed?

Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Nekobaghira on February 07, 2022, 04:57:50 PM
Three days and no one posted this?!

https://youtu.be/DjC6NUHhSZI (https://youtu.be/DjC6NUHhSZI) 

It was a perfect setup.
...

Also, there is no ability for YouTube insert/embed?
tbh - I don't know. No one has ever done that on the site. It would have to be something I look up at the back end of the site and then add. LOL
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: purplevit on February 07, 2022, 05:44:05 PM
Three days and no one posted this?!

https://youtu.be/DjC6NUHhSZI (https://youtu.be/DjC6NUHhSZI) 

It was a perfect setup.
...

Also, there is no ability for YouTube insert/embed?


Ahah, perfection!!!
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: purplevit on February 08, 2022, 04:45:38 AM
New Claremont interview

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_14UnCkxWZU

Starts to speak about Gambit around 1h12m
He wrote treatment for Gambit movie. Thinks that Tatum has his own ideas and Claremont is not on his radar.
Gambit mini is 5 issues:
3 stories,
tries a sense of humor
other X-Men will appear
it is got romance
we will learn secrets about his past
He didn`t read any new Gambit books to write it because mini is set in a specific point of time during Claremont`s run.
1:26
Gambit that exists is nothing like a Gambit Claremont had created. He had a completely different origin.
Everything he writes for Marvel is consistent to Marvel continuity and Gambit mini is in continuity.
If Claremont hadn’t left his Gambit would be vastly different character. His was there to seduce and destroy the core character of next X-Men generation Pryde.
He had a much nastier Gambit mind than Gambit is always just on the side of angels.
He is a thief and would steal the future from the X-Men.
Gambit in new mini is totally consistent for the most part with the current Gambit.

1:27:40 something about Gambit`s past that I can`t get. Maybe someone will check it.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: purplevit on February 08, 2022, 06:32:00 AM
X-Men 97 will have 10 episodes.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Nekobaghira on February 08, 2022, 11:49:24 AM
Thanks for all of the info Purp! Greatly appreciated.  :gambit:
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: purplevit on February 08, 2022, 02:52:29 PM

Russell Dauterman's IG story.


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FLGMKx5XsAEWsrg?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: purplevit on February 08, 2022, 02:53:46 PM
Thanks for all of the info Purp! Greatly appreciated.  :gambit:
ALways glad, Boss ;)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: purplevit on February 08, 2022, 02:55:36 PM

Dauterman is drawing covers for X-Men RED so would be happy if it was for RED cover.
Gloves on pic looks like from 90s costume and not from KOX.
Gambit #1 2022 will arrive only with main cover and Alex Sinclair variant so it may be not for it too.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: wantutosigh on February 08, 2022, 05:55:28 PM
Claremont drives me a little nuts sometimes with how much he has to mention how different his Gambit would've been. It's like, yeah we get it. Thing is Chris, the Gambit that was eventually realized after you left has tons of fans and through all the years still to this day remains one of the biggest fan favorites of the X-Men team. With basically no help from the movies. So keep that in mind please. Chances are that if he got his way Gambit might not be as beloved as he is. Thank you for creating him but understand he has tons of fans.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on February 08, 2022, 08:00:42 PM
CC did a decent enough job with Gambit during XXM and all, which was well past his initial idea. He can’t be mad a character he made got too popular to fail.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Meliorist on February 08, 2022, 08:45:33 PM
Purp, at 1:27:40 CC says "Chose to use elements of his past that were hitherto unsuspected"
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: thjan on February 08, 2022, 08:46:14 PM
Claremont drives me a little nuts sometimes with how much he has to mention how different his Gambit would've been. It's like, yeah we get it. Thing is Chris, the Gambit that was eventually realized after you left has tons of fans and through all the years still to this day remains one of the biggest fan favorites of the X-Men team. With basically no help from the movies. So keep that in mind please. Chances are that if he got his way Gambit might not be as beloved as he is. Thank you for creating him but understand he has tons of fans.


Yeah, this is how I feel on the subject.  We wouldn't have the Gambit we know today if he had gone though with any of the many "original" plans for Gambit he has talked about throughout the years.  He would have become a Madelyne Pryor type character or a re-occurring villain or something, none of which would have appealed to me.  I think he would have fizzled out as a character if those plans has come to be(I mean shoot, he wouldn't have even been a real character in half the plans).  I am actually glad editorial was nixed a lot of the more out there plans Claremont wanted to do(and not just with Gambit).   I actually think that is why Marvel was so successful in the 80s and 90s creatively.  You have to have that balance of letting your writers do their thing, but still have the editors there to rein them in when they go too far.  I know Jim Shooter gets a lot of flack from writers and some fans, but he ran a tight ship and I appreciate that when I read those comics from the 80s. You certainly can't say he stifled the writers too much when you look at the quality of the comics that came out under his tenure as editor-in-chief.  It started going too far the other way in the 2000s and now too many of the writers are given almost carte blanche to do whatever they want with these characters even if it ruins them for quite a while(especially the big name writers), and there is not even an attempt to maintain continuity or character consistency between the current titles, much less between the current comics and the comics of the past.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: purplevit on February 09, 2022, 05:55:48 AM
Purp, at 1:27:40 CC says "Chose to use elements of his past that were hitherto unsuspected"


Thanks, Meliorist! I am ready for some shady past secrets
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: anya on February 09, 2022, 11:58:20 AM
I said this on CBR and I’ll repeat, I wonder if Claremont is getting to the point where he’s mixing up some of his past ideas. Because he talked about some of his original plans in interviews from the 90’s. And kitty was never involved with the gambit story. His original description of his gambit ideas sounded like gambit was going to be conflicted to some extant (though I suppose I could have been reading into it.)


The character definitely wouldn’t have been as popular, because I can’t imagine evil pedo gambit being a fan favorite (or making it into the cartoon.)

Edit:stupid autocorrect
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Icefanatic on February 09, 2022, 03:54:09 PM
I said this on CBR and I’ll repeat, I wonder if Claremont is getting to the point where he’s mixing up some of his past ideas. Because he Ed interviews in the 90’s about some of his original plans and kitty was never involved with the gambit ones. His original description of his gambit ideas sounded like gambit was going to be conflicted to some extant (though I suppose I could have been reading into it.)


The character definitely wouldn’t have been as popular, because I can’t imagine evil pedo gambit being a fan favorite (or making it into the cartoon.)

I'm not sure how much of what CC(or anyone at Marvel for that matter) is saying can be believed.

It's common knowledge that CC found out literally right before the original X-Factor launch that it was happening(he had been deliberately kept out of it to avoid his objections over Jean's resurrection).

Quote
It was a Friday night and Ann [Nocenti, X-Men editor] took us out to dinner and didn’t tell us about a X-Factor until it was, like, 6:30-7:00 at night and the office switchboard was already closed. I wanted to call Shooter, but I couldn’t remember his direct line. Ann knew his number, but she wouldn’t tell me. She told me to just sit down, have another drink and relax. I mean, she played me beautifully. Since it was a Friday, I had the whole weekend to go berserk. I spent the weekend coming up with a whole new set of characters that they could use for X-Factor. The fact is, Ann did the smart thing. If I actually had gone in to see Shooter on Friday night, I would’ve quit. I was so pissed off. I couldn’t believe what they did to Cyclops. He was supposed to be a hero and they had him walking out on his wife and newborn child and not even thinking twice about it. No one was connecting the dots.”
-Chris Claremont, Comics Creators on X-Men

So he cobbled together a quick pitch substituting Jean's sister Sara for Jean, leaving Scott's marriage to Maddie intact, with the idea that the three single guys(Bobby, Warren and Hank) would vie for Sara's attentions romantically. He's told that story a bunch of times over the years, in interviews and at cons. Last year when he told it at a con, after talking about the three guys competing for Sara's affection, he took a pause and added something new.

'And Sara would have helped Bobby come to terms with his sexuality.'

First, Claremont has never been shy about discussing his plans for a character or their sexuality, whether it was addressed on-panel or not. Second, there has never been any mention of that in any of the endless prior accounts of that story. Third, the Comics Code in effect then would not have allowed that. Fourth, Marvel's Editor-In-Chief at that time, Jim Shooter, would not have allowed it and he was the person Claremont was desperately pitching this to as a Hail Mary to save Cyclops' character.

Simply put, it did not happen. And that is something that should be obvious to a large majority of fans. So why is CC saying it? I think for the same reason we got "Captain America was always Hydra" After the cosmic cube rewrote time. It's what is called an 'in-universe' answer. So why is CC giving an 'in-universe' answer to something like that, the kind of answer Marvel was giving about Cap prior to the Cosmic Cube time-travel reveal? In my opinion, it's more evidence my theory about Eva Bell rewriting the Marvel Universe into Old Man Logan's timeline is correct. And why comments about things like that regarding Gambit or Iceman or any other character should be take with a grain of salt, or even a possible hint of revelations to come, in these strange days.

#ConspiraXcy
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on February 11, 2022, 12:12:23 PM
https://aiptcomics.com/2022/02/11/x-men-monday-questions-chris-claremont/ (https://aiptcomics.com/2022/02/11/x-men-monday-questions-chris-claremont/)


First lewks at Gambit #1 and time to ask CC some well-thought questions. C'mon GG, let's come up with some good ones!
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: wantutosigh on February 11, 2022, 03:16:53 PM
https://aiptcomics.com/2022/02/11/x-men-monday-questions-chris-claremont/ (https://aiptcomics.com/2022/02/11/x-men-monday-questions-chris-claremont/)


First lewks at Gambit #1 and time to ask CC some well-thought questions. C'mon GG, let's come up with some good ones!



You just send questions in on the bottom of the page?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on February 11, 2022, 04:19:41 PM
Yes, there’s a basic form at the bottom. I have too much anxiety to actually go through with it. I have a hard time even tweeting without wanting to immediately delete my account, crawl under a rock and not come back for 7 years.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: purplevit on February 11, 2022, 06:15:25 PM
https://aiptcomics.com/2022/02/11/x-men-monday-questions-chris-claremont/ (https://aiptcomics.com/2022/02/11/x-men-monday-questions-chris-claremont/)


First lewks at Gambit #1 and time to ask CC some well-thought questions. C'mon GG, let's come up with some good ones!


Thanks, Nico!
Solicits sounds awesome and and I am excited and ready for action, intrigueand revenge!
Cover where Gambit is showing card trick to small Storm is cute but all covers are forgettable really. Excpected better.


Sent my questions.
Hopefully released solicits means that book will be in May solicits, finally.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Nekobaghira on February 14, 2022, 10:05:25 AM
Credits to whomever and I don't get it but thought I'd share anyway.
edit via twitter: Kirsten Ruth Kuyon on FB made a thing... I absolutely dislike copy and paste with this site.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FLipssjXwAQLJXj?format=jpg&name=medium)


Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on February 14, 2022, 02:35:48 PM
Quote
THE QUEST IS REVEALED in Tini Howard and Bob Quinn’s [/size]KNIGHTS OF X #2[/color][/size]! Betsy Braddock has assembled her Knights! Their mission: to save Otherworld from Merlyn and his powerful henchmen...by finding the holy grail of mutantkind. But Otherworld is vast, and innumerable armies stand in their way. When Merlyn targets the Crooked Market, a safe haven for mutantkind, the Knights must split up. Will Captain Britain find the grail? Will Gambit lead the others into a deadly trap? Death looms over the Knights — in more ways than one.[/color]


https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/judgment-day-approaches-and-a-major-new-player-emerges-as-destiny-of-x-continues-to-reshape-mutantkind (https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/judgment-day-approaches-and-a-major-new-player-emerges-as-destiny-of-x-continues-to-reshape-mutantkind)


Well I for one will be looking forward to this issue. Finally it will be revealed that Gambit has been a warwolf this WHOLE time!
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: purplevit on February 17, 2022, 03:02:50 PM
Gambit #1 is finally solicated for May 11 and we will have one more variant by Scott Williams.

GAMBIT #1 (OF 5) CHRIS CLAREMONT (W) • SID KOTIAN (A) • Cover by WHILCE PORTACIO VARIANT COVER BY PEACH MOMOKO VIRGIN VARIANT COVER BY PEACH MOMOKO VARIANT COVER BY SALVADOR LARROCA VARIANT COVER BY INHYUK LEE VARIANT COVER BY SCOTT WILLIAMS All-NEW ADVENTURES OF THE LEGENDARY THIEF BY CO-CREATOR CHRIS CLAREMONT! You think you know all there is to know about Remy LeBeau, the Ragin' Cajun, the mutant known as GAMBIT — but legendary X-scribe Chris Claremont has an ace up his sleeve with this new series! Before he joined the X-MEN, Gambit encountered a mysterious girl named ‘RO — the mutant STORM regressed to her child self by the nefarious NANNY — and the two went up against the forces of the SHADOW KING! Now, revealed for the first time, Gambit finds his path to becoming the heroic X-Man millions of fans call their favorite! Joined by rising star artist Sid Kotian, Chris weaves a story of action, intrigue and revenge that made Gambit the mutant he is and forged his relationship with Storm. You'll get a charge out of this one, mon ami! 32 PGS./Rated T+…$3.99
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: purplevit on February 17, 2022, 04:37:11 PM
X-MEN ‘92: HOUSE OF XCII #2 (OF 5) STEVE FOXE (W) • SALVA ESPIN (A) • Cover by DAVID BALDEÓNVARIANT COVER BY TBADAWN OF XCII!With the nation of Krakoa established, mutantkind is ready to defend their new nation from threats of all kinds…but the X-Men have no idea about the mutant whose secret power of resurrection lies behind the entire thing! It's the entire Krakoan age thirty years early, with everyone's favorite '90s X-Men team at the center of it all!32 PGS./Rated T …$3.99


(https://aiptcomics.com/ezoimgfmt/i0.wp.com/aiptcomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/XM922022002_cvr_col.jpg?resize=768%2C1166&ssl=1&ezimgfmt=ng:webp/ngcb1)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: purplevit on February 21, 2022, 03:21:45 PM
It is just a rumor but I think it is right. So check if you don`t afraid of Doc Strange 2 Spoilers.


I warned :)



It seems that Xavier in Multiverse of Madness in XTAS version.
Old leak showed Xavier in his floating yellow chair and other stuff. Other stuff got confirmed to be true with a second trailer.


Also MM2 trailer has teases of Savage Land and animated universe.
[/size]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nqmd-2Uo90 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nqmd-2Uo90)3:20 for animated stuff.


It seems that XTAS team would be canon in MCU.
X-Men 97 can start after Xavier death in MM.[/size]
[/spoiler]
Also Wolverine (not Jackman) is rumored for MM2 too.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on February 23, 2022, 01:04:34 PM
https://aiptcomics.com/2022/02/23/x-men-monday-145-chris-claremont-gambit/ (https://aiptcomics.com/2022/02/23/x-men-monday-145-chris-claremont-gambit/)


Dagnabit. But why do we keep asking CC about his original intentions for Gambit? I think Gambit fans must like a touch of masochism.


Hm...little afraid this is going to be the Adventures of Lil Ro with her sidekick, Gambit. But the Stormy temper-tantrum page is pretty darn cute.


It is just a rumor but I think it is right. So check if you don`t afraid of Doc Strange 2 Spoilers.


I warned :)



It seems that Xavier in Multiverse of Madness in XTAS version.
Old leak showed Xavier in his floating yellow chair and other stuff. Other stuff got confirmed to be true with a second trailer.


Also MM2 trailer has teases of Savage Land and animated universe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nqmd-2Uo90 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nqmd-2Uo90)3:20 for animated stuff.


It seems that XTAS team would be canon in MCU.
X-Men 97 can start after Xavier death in MM.

Also Wolverine (not Jackman) is rumored for MM2 too.


Doctor Strange was THE most confusing movie to me, I was dizzy. Add a multiverse to this, and I will be completely lost. That What If..? Doc Strange episode was the one that made me say: Why am I watching this. I do not enjoy this.


If this is how the X-Men are introduced to to MCU, I don't know what to think.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: anya on February 24, 2022, 08:44:24 PM
It is just a rumor but I think it is right. So check if you don`t afraid of Doc Strange 2 Spoilers.


I warned :)



It seems that Xavier in Multiverse of Madness in XTAS version.
Old leak showed Xavier in his floating yellow chair and other stuff. Other stuff got confirmed to be true with a second trailer.


Also MM2 trailer has teases of Savage Land and animated universe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nqmd-2Uo90 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nqmd-2Uo90)3:20 for animated stuff.


It seems that XTAS team would be canon in MCU.
X-Men 97 can start after Xavier death in MM.

Also Wolverine (not Jackman) is rumored for MM2 too.
Purplevit, you doing okay? :/
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: wantutosigh on February 25, 2022, 12:18:43 PM
https://aiptcomics.com/2022/02/23/x-men-monday-145-chris-claremont-gambit/ (https://aiptcomics.com/2022/02/23/x-men-monday-145-chris-claremont-gambit/)


Dagnabit. But why do we keep asking CC about his original intentions for Gambit? I think Gambit fans must like a touch of masochism.


Hm...little afraid this is going to be the Adventures of Lil Ro with her sidekick, Gambit. But the Stormy temper-tantrum page is pretty darn cute.


I know. How many times do we have to hear about it? And he goes on and on and on. We get it. Your eventual take on the character was going to make him less beloved by fans. Just another clone character who wouldn't have rivaled Wolverine at his peak popularity, never got romantically involved with Rogue to become one of the hottest couples of all time in the comics, and you would've made some bizarre abusive relationship with a teenage Kitty Pryde. Thanks for creating him but the character has done just fine for himself after you left. It's like he thinks his idea would've been so much better.


That leads me to hoping he does the right thing with this series. I'm starved for some good Gambit content. I don't want him to drastically alter something in his past. I also don't want Gambit to be lil' Ro's sidekick either.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on February 26, 2022, 03:22:42 PM
Probably it’s easier for Claremont to talk about what’s not gonna happen than for him to give us deets on the upcoming book. That’s what I’m telling myself about why he’s so long winded on that question (which, did he pay someone to ask it?).
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on March 03, 2022, 08:21:58 AM
ICYMI - Gambit makes an appearance in X-Men #9.

Gambit and Rogue show up on a garbage space station full of thugs hoping to both charm intel about Gameworld out of the ne’er do wells hanging out there. Destiny is already there and tells them they’re wasting their time. Some thug tells Gambit to give him his coat and Gambit gets punched in the face. Then Rogue and Gambit throw over the whole place while Gambit and Destiny get to know each other better. Well, Destiny hates Gambit and says he’s all of her ‘disappointments made flesh.’ Now the whole time she’s dissing him, he’s protecting her from evil aliens while she sits and drinks a martini. Destiny also says Rogue belongs at hers and Mystique’s side in the fight to come. Completely unbothered by Destiny’s cryptic comments and rude ‘tude, G grabs a bottle of bub and tells Destiny his love for Rogue comes with no strings attached. After his speaking truth to power, Destiny is pissed and mimes choking Gambit as he walks away.

It’s possible that G-man will show up in #10 if he’s helping out here. It looks like Barely useful Sunfire is heading to Otherworld to rescue some tree person I don’t care about from that guy in a blower hat who I also don’t care about. so I wonder how that storyline will interconnect with KOX, or if KOX is just fully isolated to do it’s own dumb nonsense in a bubble.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: anya on March 03, 2022, 10:50:39 AM
The Sunfire hint was strange. Why him, of all people? And destiny is the same petty biatch as Mystique. Not too surprising.  It I always thought she was the more reasonable, supportive one.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Sparta on March 03, 2022, 11:39:46 AM
In the very few times I've read Duggan's take on Gambit, he's actually been entertaining and fun. I did get a Han Solo vibe in his characterisation (maybe because of the space opera setting). The Gambit/Destiny b***hy mother-in-law interaction was too similar to Mystique, it would've been better to have tried something a little different. I know Duggen likes banter and quips, and that's fine but an alternative approach would've been better. The Rogue/Destiny reunion was a little cold too.

While he does tend to portray him as a "joke character" at times, there are far worse writers out there that have written him. I was actually surprised that he had more panel time than Rogue in a book where she is a main cast member. I actually liked the issue overall, and Gambit was the best part of it.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: DonPriceTag on March 04, 2022, 10:51:51 AM
In the very few times I've read Duggan's take on Gambit, he's actually been entertaining and fun. I did get a Han Solo vibe in his characterisation (maybe because of the space opera setting). The Gambit/Destiny b***hy mother-in-law interaction was too similar to Mystique, it would've been better to have tried something a little different. I know Duggen likes banter and quips, and that's fine but an alternative approach would've been better. The Rogue/Destiny reunion was a little cold too.

While he does tend to portray him as a "joke character" at times, there are far worse writers out there that have written him. I was actually surprised that he had more panel time than Rogue in a book where she is a main cast member. I actually liked the issue overall, and Gambit was the best part of it.


With all this. I was too annoyed that Destiny was Mystique 2.0 and without any history with Gambit whatsoever. I did find it interesting that Destiny is trying to separate Rogue from the X-Men and plans to have Gambit there... And said it out loud with no push back from either. The idea was interesting but the means was weird like Duggan didn't know how to get it in more naturally. It felt more like inner dialogue more than something to be said. Especially taking into account the way the rest of the conversation went.


Duggan's last two uses of Gambit haven't been as bad as he usually is. So there's that. I actually enjoyed this one quite a bit and some of the things in it, like referring to Gambit as an assassin, took more than a passing knowledge of the character. Most people wouldn't have a clue. So at least he read a wiki somewhere down the line.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on March 04, 2022, 11:44:19 AM
i took destiny's referring to gambit as an 'assassin' as a dig on his role in the mutant massacre. she's just tarring him with the same brush as the rest of the marauders.


duggan and howard's writing is very shallow, just an interpretation of the characters so they're more caricatures. i find their stories to be very boring. i just think: ugh, i don't even LIKE any of these characters anymore. to make up for lack of characterization, duggan imparts sitcom humor and howard teases innuendo about queer relationships. xtwitter eats that sh!t up.


also this orchis thing is boring too. all of these people are interchangeable. i actually thought dr stasis and feilong were the same guy until someone on cbr detailed why each orchis character is so very boring and stupid. who can tell all these evil megalomaniacal scientists (EMS) apart anymore? then that OTHER EMS shows up, the adversary? what's his name again? evolutionary, that's it. actually, who CARES i bored myself trying to figure it out.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: DonPriceTag on March 04, 2022, 12:20:41 PM
i took destiny's referring to gambit as an 'assassin' as a dig on his role in the mutant massacre. she's just tarring him with the same brush as the rest of the marauders.


duggan and howard's writing is very shallow, just an interpretation of the characters so they're more caricatures. i find their stories to be very boring. i just think: ugh, i don't even LIKE any of these characters anymore. to make up for lack of characterization, duggan imparts sitcom humor and howard teases innuendo about queer relationships. xtwitter eats that sh!t up.


also this orchis thing is boring too. all of these people are interchangeable. i actually thought dr stasis and feilong were the same guy until someone on cbr detailed why each orchis character is so very boring and stupid. who can tell all these evil megalomaniacal scientists (EMS) apart anymore? then that OTHER EMS shows up, the adversary? what's his name again? evolutionary, that's it. actually, who CARES i bored myself trying to figure it out.


Here I was giving the man some credit and it was probably giving him too much. Yeah, I thought Feilong and Dr. Stasis were the same person here as well. I knew they were two different characters - but here I just thought they were the same guy from the "helmet" design and overall presentation. There's literally no difference between them by way of personality... or current day Mr. Sinister, to be honest. That ironic, flat, 90s/ early 00s sitcom, insert laugh track humor. Don't get me wrong - that's some of my all-time favorite shows... but it doesn't work in comics as a blanket approach. Every book cant be this.


When Duggan started this run I thought all these bad guys were separate people with their own plans and machinations - I wasn't expecting them to be Legion of Doom. It doesn't really feel... organic? Speaking of Stasis... whats the difference between him and the High Evolutionary? And MODOK in the X-Men comics... its not really a good fit. The X-men have so many characters and such a back catalog of enemies - did we need to borrow an Iron Man baddie? Or allow all these writers to create new characters? They literally have access to just about any mutant in all of creation - even the dead and evil ones, because, you know, everyone just gets along now for some reason.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Nekobaghira on March 04, 2022, 01:55:53 PM
To buy or not to buy, that is the question. I'm thinking not so much and if I do, it will be digital. Not spending for a 35-40 drive/gas included with not wanting to go to a LCS.
I know ComiXology has been complaining about but when I buy CC's mini, it will be from there.
LOL
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on March 04, 2022, 02:26:31 PM
To buy or not to buy, that is the question. I'm thinking not so much and if I do, it will be digital. Not spending for a 35-40 drive/gas included with not wanting to go to a LCS.
I know ComiXology has been complaining about but when I buy CC's mini, it will be from there.
LOL


all my digital comics are on comixology.  :-[ 


i bought this week's issue of xmen 9 on the marvel.com app. it seems to work the same as comixology used to. i would prefer my entire library in one place, but what're ya gonna do?

Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Icefanatic on March 10, 2022, 01:26:19 PM
To buy or not to buy, that is the question. I'm thinking not so much and if I do, it will be digital. Not spending for a 35-40 drive/gas included with not wanting to go to a LCS.
I know ComiXology has been complaining about but when I buy CC's mini, it will be from there.
LOL
Or you can subscribe to the print issues through Marvel.

 Cover Price: $19.95
 -25% off
Final price $14.99

$15 for five issues mailed free to your house. I usually get mine about a week after they are in stores but since they ship from New York you might get them sooner.

https://subscriptions.marvel.com/store/ipd.asp?spid=1443 (https://subscriptions.marvel.com/store/ipd.asp?spid=1443)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Nekobaghira on March 10, 2022, 06:16:01 PM
Good idea, thanks. That is an option and yes, living in NY would probably get them within a day or two.  ;D
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on March 11, 2022, 03:56:21 PM
KNIGHTS OF X #3. Gambit and his team gain a momentary victory over the Furies in Crooked Market, but as the group is hit by another wave of attacks by Merlyn’s army, Rachel Summers’ connection with Captain Britain is severed before she can call in reinforcements. In Sevalith, the Captain and her team face off against blood thirsty vampires as they seek out a lethal potential ally. Their quest required ten knights to begin, but no one said anything about the end. A knight dies here – and the hateful quest goes on.
[/size]
https://aiptcomics.com/2022/03/11/marvel-june-2022-destiny-of-x-x-men/ (https://aiptcomics.com/2022/03/11/marvel-june-2022-destiny-of-x-x-men/)


Gambit on the cover. I give it sus eyes.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: anya on March 11, 2022, 07:30:47 PM
So this is completely random but I saw this on Reddit-the op said it is photo of a beer in Australia, lol


https://www.reddit.com/r/xmen/comments/tc35rf/found_this_guy_on_a_random_australian_beer/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/xmen/comments/tc35rf/found_this_guy_on_a_random_australian_beer/)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on March 11, 2022, 09:07:11 PM
Wow lookin like some kinda infringement there, but it’s the wild Wild West over in Australia.


Too bad I hate IPAs. Bitter and tastes like soap, should be more of a Magneto style beer.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Icefanatic on March 12, 2022, 06:52:15 AM
So this is completely random but I saw this on Reddit-the op said it is photo of a beer in Australia, lol


https://www.reddit.com/r/xmen/comments/tc35rf/found_this_guy_on_a_random_australian_beer/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/xmen/comments/tc35rf/found_this_guy_on_a_random_australian_beer/)
https://www.purvisbeer.com.au/collections/coconspirators-brewing-company/products/co-conspirators-the-dealer-ipa-355ml-can
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: anya on March 13, 2022, 03:33:39 PM

Lol, it’s even more blatant in the description (though I don’t think whoever wrote it knows French. ;) )
Disney would probably have a case for f they sick their lawyers on them, but then the world would lose funky, adventure -time style gambit, tragic. :p
Wow lookin like some kinda infringement there, but it’s the wild Wild West over in Australia.


Too bad I hate IPAs. Bitter and tastes like soap, should be more of a Magneto style beer.
Magneto style beer, lol
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on March 18, 2022, 08:12:00 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOEEee0VIA0uVlc.jpg)


GAMBIT #2 (OF 5)CHRIS CLAREMONT (W) • SID KOTIAN (A) • Cover by WHILCE PORTACIO
GAMBIT AND 'RO – ON THE LAM AND OFF THE RAILS!
'RO is the mutant X-Man Storm, reverted to childhood and trying to retain use of her powers while fighting to find her memories. GAMBIT is the free spirit Remy LeBeau, not yet an X-Man and making his way up and down the Mississippi. What do they have in common? They're mutants, they're thieves, and they're having a blast!But their side mission to escape the SHADOW KING goes off the rails when sudden disaster strikes, and the duo find themselves in the midst of local trouble with 'Ro's life — and very essence — in the balance. Can Gambit find the heroic path before it's too late? Featuring old favorites as well as new friends and enemies!32 PGS./Rated T+ …$3.99


There will also be a variant by Dauterman, but no full image yet.
HELLFIRE GALA VARIANT COVER by RUSSELL DAUTERMAN
He did tease this:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FLHYYRCWQAIzMb5?format=jpg&name=large)
But it looks like Gambit's classic gloves and for whatever reason, he is standing in front of a mountain range.




Remy in NOLA, another variant for #1:


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOHEb5HWQAABRtW?format=jpg&name=large)




(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FODsFK-XIAM8l9I?format=jpg&name=large)


And then Rogue is channeling her moms in this Gala look. Mystique rocked the feathers last year and there's a literal inferno burning behind her. Don't know what to think about that mourning wreath in the mantlepiece either.


Will Gambit have a complementary outfit that looks just as SINISTER? If he shows up in a skirt, I might die.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on March 18, 2022, 08:19:46 AM
(https://static1.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/AXEEVEJUDGMENT2022001-Noto-Var.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=740&h=1122&dpr=1.5)


Oh wait, one more. Gambit appears on the cover of A MARVEL EVENTTM which by law, requires him not to actually appear in the inner workings of the book AT ALL. Noto's directions were to: Make sure it looks "X-Men-y" enough that people will pick up the title. Noto: So, slap Wolverine and Gambit on it?


I do like the logo. Modern art deco. Looks cool.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: anya on March 18, 2022, 02:03:30 PM
Someone on CBR brought up that Dauterman is only confirmed to be drawing the hellfire variant for Gambit #2, but that it could be anyone, because variant covers aren’t confined to logical things like who is in the book. Sigh.. they are correct, it could be a Emma cover.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on March 18, 2022, 03:05:54 PM

Someone on CBR brought up that Dauterman is only confirmed to be drawing the hellfire variant for Gambit #2, but that it could be anyone, because variant covers aren’t confined to logical things like who is in the book. Sigh.. they are correct, it could be a Emma cover.


lol, you are too right. but luckily there is a list that tells the book, the artist, and who they've drawn for the cover. and if emma showed up on gambit's book, i might have to start a fire and burn krakoa to the ground. so far they've got forge, cyke, emma, jean, iron man, cap'ns 'murcia and marvel, scarlet witch, rogue, synch.

havok better show up in his goblin queen gimp suit. i'm already bummed that forge wasn't rocking shorty shorts, but jean was. boooo.

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Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: anya on March 20, 2022, 01:15:34 AM
Ooooh….hope rising again.. this is such a rollercoaster of emotions! (I agree about Emma, lol enough already!)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on April 07, 2022, 12:50:44 PM
This has basically nothing to do with anything but there was a mention of the cancelled Gambit movie on the podcast Newcomers and omg Nicole Byer auditioned for a part in that movie! Aw, it would have been so funny!


https://open.spotify.com/episode/05kq6pk5gTJ3QFWjLTOiWZ?si=8N30OLehRomf6BjomrU97g (https://open.spotify.com/episode/05kq6pk5gTJ3QFWjLTOiWZ?si=8N30OLehRomf6BjomrU97g)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Miss Misery on April 07, 2022, 05:22:41 PM
This has basically nothing to do with anything but there was a mention of the cancelled Gambit movie on the podcast Newcomers and omg Nicole Byer auditioned for a part in that movie! Aw, it would have been so funny!


https://open.spotify.com/episode/05kq6pk5gTJ3QFWjLTOiWZ?si=8N30OLehRomf6BjomrU97g (https://open.spotify.com/episode/05kq6pk5gTJ3QFWjLTOiWZ?si=8N30OLehRomf6BjomrU97g)

Aww, that sucks--she's funny, I like her on the podcasts she's been on.

While I wasn't happy with the possibility of CT playing Remy, the outline looked intriguing, hitting all my buttons--Gambit in a romantic comedy heist that's also a period piece? Yes please!
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: anya on April 10, 2022, 11:18:42 AM
The period piece was the aspect I liked the least. I was done with the prequels and wanted the movies to move back to the ‘modern day’.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Miss Misery on April 10, 2022, 11:55:38 PM
The period piece was the aspect I liked the least. I was done with the prequels and wanted the movies to move back to the ‘modern day’.

Understandable. And as much as I like the period aspect, I will say putting Gambit in the '50s--'70s does feel...off.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Nekobaghira on April 11, 2022, 11:58:22 AM
agreed. Period pieces can be rough, you've got to do research.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: GambitMojo on April 15, 2022, 03:32:42 AM
Is it bad of ne that Remy
Looks like Michael Jackson
https://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/8/70/622a29ba212bf/clean.jpg (https://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/8/70/622a29ba212bf/clean.jpg)
edit: to make the link more pronounced.
https://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/8/70/622a29ba212bf/clean.jpg (https://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/8/70/622a29ba212bf/clean.jpg)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: anya on April 15, 2022, 10:14:15 PM
Ok, let’s see if this works: https://www.marvel.com/amp/articles/comics/russell-dauterman-reveals-x-men-hellfire-gala-designs-2022 (https://www.marvel.com/amp/articles/comics/russell-dauterman-reveals-x-men-hellfire-gala-designs-2022)


Here is the Russell Dauterman gambit hellfire gala design. I think I do like it better than last years,  ut I’m. It sure if it will still look good if anyone else was casing it, lol. And marvel.com has another ‘hint’ that he might get killed off in KoX *sigh and eye roll* hoping for a red herring.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: hairlesscat on April 16, 2022, 01:36:54 PM
Understandable. And as much as I like the period aspect, I will say putting Gambit in the '50s--'70s does feel...off.
I think the period elements were handled pretty well in the script. For me, the only issue is with how Gambit would then be brought into the present Fox timeline. Or were they planning on doing that at all?


(Tangent alert!) Honestly, that script was so fun that I can see why Fox wasn't willing to let the movie go. And of course it was. Gambit is a fun character. I literally don't understand why some people are convinced he can't carry a movie or a D+ series. In fact, I would argue that he is one of the few X-men who has an interesting enough life outside of the team to warrant a spin-off. My only explanation for that is they know nothing about the character. Sorry, I have been on some comic forums lately and keep having this conversation with people. It annoys me.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: DonPriceTag on April 20, 2022, 10:36:08 AM
Understandable. And as much as I like the period aspect, I will say putting Gambit in the '50s--'70s does feel...off.


If we're talking about the aborted movie, it took place firmly in the mid-80s. Of course, because it was an origin movie, some parts had to have taken place in the 70s - even if just a flashback or montage. But it basically happened RIGHT AFTER X-Men: Apocalypse, because it referenced some of the fallout of that movie.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: wantutosigh on April 20, 2022, 01:40:44 PM
I never liked FOX's obsession with putting X-Men stories in past decades. All it does is screw up timelines and hinder what characters can be used when and where. First Class screwed up the entire X-men timeline and lineup and the monotony just continued from there.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on April 20, 2022, 08:07:01 PM
do timelines matter? the passage of time in comic book universes make zero sense, just go with it. now we have multiverses, so all reason is out the window. the second any plotline introduces time-travel or parallel universes, all my brain hears is White Noise until its over. the worst comic book movies are the ones that take themselves too seriously. god. the first two Thor movies, like what was that? all the Phase One stuff was completely devoid of humanity/personality until guardians and thor: raganork/randomork (sp?). then we get brotherhood, friendship, empathy, love and actual humor.


gambit in the 1970s and 80s? yes. give me that. give me that all over my body.


lots of peeps love shirting on channing tatum's effort for gambit, but ryan reynold's deadpool was also an act of effort, love and passion for a little known character and it was fantastic. the only franchise to transition from fox to disney. people liked it. MY MOM liked it.


they're all a bunch of people with personal trauma running around in skintight clothing. if they're not a little campy/weird, the earnestness of their performance is embarrassing to me. embrace with weird and forget about timeline. let the timeframe be just kind of a vibe/aura rather than an actual point in time. i am personally living in the victorian period. i'm very pale, uptight, and like long dresses.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: wantutosigh on April 20, 2022, 10:03:18 PM
I think you're misunderstanding me. The timeline is a problem when your characters don't age in 40 years. The timeline is an issue when James McAvoy and Michael Fassbender are supposed to turn into Patrick Stewart and Ian Mckellan in less than 10 years. The timeline is an issue when you establish Gambit as a grown adult in the 80's and all the characters he has a rapport with are adults in the 21st century. You wind up having characters with 20 years between their ages who are peers in the comics. It just makes a cluttered mess of characters. I'm not being a stickler here. I want the characters to make sense with one another. Call me nuts. I also don't like the idea of introducing multi-verses so that's not an excuse for me.


You think Captain America was devoid of humanity and personality? Might want to watch that one again.


I've always loved Tatum's passion for Gambit. It was great to see. Doesn't mean I liked the idea of sticking Gambit in a decade by himself with little other X-Men characters to bounce off of or teenage X-Men that he is mostly older than. And Deadpool was not a little known character when the Deadpool movie came out. He was probably the most hyped up Marvel character at the time.


Sorry I'm not just giving studios passes for making nonsensical timelines where characters have decades in age gaps where they wind up ruining their interpersonal relationships. That's  one of the strongest elements in the X-Men and I don't see the need to destroy that aspect because they want to make a 70's, 80's, or 90's nostalgia movie. It's lazy abd to the detriment of the characters and I believe the X-Men have some of the best characters in the history of comic books.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on April 21, 2022, 09:00:40 AM
i wasn't specifically contradicting you, and i don't disagree with your statements. it was just a general "wondering out loud" kind of rant. ;)  maybe i'm still reeling from hickman's writing telling me that ALL of x-men history took place in the last 10 years and that they are all 26.


i liked the first cap'n america, but that was because it was a period piece in the 40s...!



were people outside of comic readers aware of deadpool? i was an active reader at the time and i only had a general idea that he existed and could tell you nothing other than he was hyper-violent.


anyway, you can still have a feeling of retro/nostalgia without specifically calling out that something took place in the 70s, 80s. like in The Mask, where he's wearing a 40s zoot suit but people still have computers.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: anya on April 22, 2022, 12:13:16 PM
I’m mostly with wantusigh here. I’m not against period movies in general, but I was tired of the fox X-men period movies, especially since after first class, there was no real reason for it (and would some aging make up really have killed them? Even Moira looked the same! ;p)



Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on April 25, 2022, 11:07:49 AM
Gambit is putting the 'gay' in Gala. Or the 'gall' in Gala. Guess it depends on your pronunciation.


Anyway - I can get behind this, the general fervor around the design, the blatant pandering to females and queer audiences, and the awesome fanworks generated. I feel a bit more positive suddenly.



(https://static1.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/HELLFIREGALA2022_design_Dauterman_Gambit.jpg)


Here's another one by David Nakayama for a cover...maybe?




(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FRJFfEKUcAITM94?format=jpg&name=medium)




KoX out this week.  ^-^  Early review says it's more of the same Betsy Braddock show. To which I say: GOOD. The less Howard writes Gambit, the less damage she does to him.



Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: wantutosigh on April 27, 2022, 03:14:45 PM
https://screenrant.com/popular-marvel-comics-superhero-couples-ranker/ (https://screenrant.com/popular-marvel-comics-superhero-couples-ranker/)

Not surprising at all. Are Gambit and Rogue really not together anymore? I don't pay any attention to that Krakoa trash but I thought I would've heard this
.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on April 27, 2022, 03:19:41 PM
https://screenrant.com/popular-marvel-comics-superhero-couples-ranker/ (https://screenrant.com/popular-marvel-comics-superhero-couples-ranker/)

Not surprising at all. Are Gambit and Rogue really not together anymore? I don't pay any attention to that Krakoa trash but I thought I would've heard this
.


No, that’s just a trash writer who isn’t reading the books. Though after KoX today, they are physically separated.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: wantutosigh on April 27, 2022, 08:46:41 PM
I figured. I mean I do frequent a Gambit fan site regularly, I think someone would've mentioned it. ;)


Still shows you that Gambit and Rogue are consistently seen as the top couple in Marvel. Since they got married, they've barely done anything with them. It's pretty absurd. The writing and vision right now is soooo lacking.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: hairlesscat on April 27, 2022, 09:47:26 PM
Well, they are certainly A top couple. I'm not sure they are THE top in every situation. But they have a very strong fanbase. Which makes it all the more insane that we have never seen their relationship on the big screen despite getting 20 years of X-men movies. I have a feeling they will be extremely popular in the MCU.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: DonPriceTag on April 28, 2022, 10:05:27 AM
I figured. I mean I do frequent a Gambit fan site regularly, I think someone would've mentioned it. ;)


Still shows you that Gambit and Rogue are consistently seen as the top couple in Marvel. Since they got married, they've barely done anything with them. It's pretty absurd. The writing and vision right now is soooo lacking.


We have yet to see Gambit interact with Mystique since the wedding... it's been 5 literal years. How has someone not done this yet? Gambit has spoken to Destiny and she just came back to life after almost 40yrs. I don't think Gambit has gone this long without interacting with Mystique. You'd think they at least have a passing glance since he married her daughter.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Varia on May 02, 2022, 12:21:18 AM
Gambit is putting the 'gay' in Gala. Or the 'gall' in Gala. Guess it depends on your pronunciation.


Anyway - I can get behind this, the general fervor around the design, the blatant pandering to females and queer audiences, and the awesome fanworks generated. I feel a bit more positive suddenly.



Overall, these seem a vast improvement over last year's. They all have something interesting about them, but it's difficult to tell what that is about Gambit's *cough*. I just can't put my finger on it!


In seriousness, the designs look awesome so far and I'm excited to see the rest!
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: andrei on May 02, 2022, 01:27:37 PM
Gambit news! He is coming tomorrow for MSF and he is really, really good!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58V9dEBRlYk&t=526s
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: anya on May 03, 2022, 01:36:03 PM
Looks good, though I’m not much of a gamer. It’s also cool that they said he was one of the most requested characters.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: andrei on May 03, 2022, 03:29:05 PM
tottally! We pestered them in every patch! "GIVE US GAMBIT!" hahaha it worked
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Nekobaghira on May 04, 2022, 12:10:34 PM
It's nice to be 'heard'. LOL
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: wantutosigh on May 04, 2022, 11:52:30 PM
https://screenrant.com/rogue-gambit-marriage-marvel-perfect-couple-xmen/ (https://screenrant.com/rogue-gambit-marriage-marvel-perfect-couple-xmen/)

A lot of love for Gambit and Rogue lately. Though there is a couple of screw-ups in the article.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on May 05, 2022, 09:26:46 AM
Is it because I purposely seek out Gambit content that I seem to find more of it lately, or is greater attention being paid to the character lately? It’s always nice to see articles written in a positive light. The linked KoX article has factual problems too, like they just read the preview blurb of the book and wrote an article. Because Gambit isn’t moving into his own independently of Rogue, he is STILL basing his decisions on whatever Rogue is doing. So. Annoying.


I saw this and it reminded me of the discussion around timelines in the mcu and made me go “haha.”
(https://preview.redd.it/lox74572l8x81.jpg?width=1069&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c8b46217a36e8c267be3b2877b61ffd3d32eeba0)




Also Jon Hamm as Sinister and Gambit’s nemesis…? I’m super into Hamm because he played one of my favorite characters ever - Don Draper (I have a type, okay?). He’s also got great delivery, and can play a comedic role. I think his acting range would be perfect for whatever version of Sinister we get. And Hamm in a Gambit movie? I’d die of happiness. Can he do a British accent though? If Tim Curry was younger, I’d pick him for Sinister. He looked great in a cape and corset.


https://www.cbr.com/jon-hamm-open-mr-sinister-mcu-x-men/ (https://www.cbr.com/jon-hamm-open-mr-sinister-mcu-x-men/)

Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on May 09, 2022, 08:21:15 AM
A tiny slice of Gambit from today’s AIPT interview with Howard.


(https://i0.wp.com/aiptcomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/XMMK05.jpg)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: hairlesscat on May 09, 2022, 12:36:12 PM
Who Zac Efron Could Play in the Marvel Cinematic Universe (cbr.com) (https://www.cbr.com/zac-efron-mcu-character-possibilities/)


Can I just say that I don't want Zac Efron anywhere NEAR Gambit? Kthanks.


I didn't think it was possible, but this would be an even worse casting choice for the character than Channing Tatum.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: DonPriceTag on May 11, 2022, 12:26:55 PM
Who Zac Efron Could Play in the Marvel Cinematic Universe (cbr.com) (https://www.cbr.com/zac-efron-mcu-character-possibilities/)


Can I just say that I don't want Zac Efron anywhere NEAR Gambit? Kthanks.


I didn't think it was possible, but this would be an even worse casting choice for the character than Channing Tatum.


I can see him being a kick-ass Cyclops, Havok, or Cannonball.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Icefanatic on May 12, 2022, 05:27:11 AM

Also Jon Hamm as Sinister and Gambit’s nemesis…? I’m super into Hamm because he played one of my favorite characters ever - Don Draper (I have a type, okay?). He’s also got great delivery, and can play a comedic role. I think his acting range would be perfect for whatever version of Sinister we get. And Hamm in a Gambit movie? I’d die of happiness. Can he do a British accent though? If Tim Curry was younger, I’d pick him for Sinister. He looked great in a cape and corset.


https://www.cbr.com/jon-hamm-open-mr-sinister-mcu-x-men/ (https://www.cbr.com/jon-hamm-open-mr-sinister-mcu-x-men/)

I miss Mad Men. I remember Hamm said he did one for "A Young Doctor's Notebook" where he played the older version of the same character also played by Daniel Radcliffe. I wanted to see it but I'm not sure it ever aired here in the States. If it did I missed it.  :'(

Here's a link where Hamm talked about struggling with the accent. https://younghollywood.com/news/daniel-radcliffe-recorded-jon-hamm-s-lines-to-help-perfect-british-accent.html (https://younghollywood.com/news/daniel-radcliffe-recorded-jon-hamm-s-lines-to-help-perfect-british-accent.html)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: andresa on May 15, 2022, 11:38:40 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/DavidNakayama/status/1525734585887170560?cxt=HHwWgICp1bXhv6wqAAAA
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on May 15, 2022, 12:07:52 PM
I miss Mad Men. I remember Hamm said he did one for "A Young Doctor's Notebook" where he played the older version of the same character also played by Daniel Radcliffe. I wanted to see it but I'm not sure it ever aired here in the States. If it did I missed it.  :'(

Here's a link where Hamm talked about struggling with the accent. https://younghollywood.com/news/daniel-radcliffe-recorded-jon-hamm-s-lines-to-help-perfect-british-accent.html (https://younghollywood.com/news/daniel-radcliffe-recorded-jon-hamm-s-lines-to-help-perfect-british-accent.html)


oooh, of course anything i wanna watch is not on the half-dozen streaming services i subscribe to! but i do want to see this. i love a dark comedy. also daniel radcliffe is hilarious - Miracle Workers is a fantastic series.


Hamm already has some marvel chops as the narrator on FX's Legion.


https://mobile.twitter.com/DavidNakayama/status/1525734585887170560?cxt=HHwWgICp1bXhv6wqAAAA (https://mobile.twitter.com/DavidNakayama/status/1525734585887170560?cxt=HHwWgICp1bXhv6wqAAAA)


hawt hawt hawt.


also, can we talk about the end reveal of X-Men #11?



another iteration of sinister shows up and instead of a diamond on his forehead, he's got a club.



we have diamonds and clubs. we simply CANNOT have a card motif and not involve gambit.  :gambit: between destiny's weird comments to rogue about gambit, her connection to sinister, and the legacy issue with sinister and homo unitus...c'mon! i don't know what to think that means for gambit, but it has to be better than anything that happens to him in KoX.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Miss Misery on May 15, 2022, 12:20:29 PM
Jon Hamm...🥰🥰🥰

I looked it up and it's available in the US on Tubi, which is free but has ads. Gonna check it out there and see just how much I've been spoiled by ad-free content. 😆 I'll give it 10 minutes, probably.

Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: hairlesscat on May 15, 2022, 12:44:06 PM
Question guys: Would you be okay with an MCU Gambit who wasn't a thief/career criminal? I had a pretty interesting conversation with someone on another forum about that a few days ago. This person insisted that an adaption didn't have to include this portion of him to capture the spirit of the character. If you ask me, Gambit without his criminal life is not Gambit. His association with the Thieves' Guild has shaped the entire trajectory of his life and who he is as a person. It's like Wolverine without Weapon X. It makes no sense to me. But I'm curious to see other people's opinions.


I can see him being a kick-ass Cyclops, Havok, or Cannonball.
Can't see him playing Cyclops either. But possibly the other two. I would really love for the MCU to look at actors who aren't as well-known to play the more prominent X-Men characters - especially Gambit. Kind of like what Fox did with Hugh Jackman. He only became a household name AFTER he started playing Wolverine. I think that ensures that you choose people who are right for the role.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Miss Misery on May 15, 2022, 01:59:01 PM
I agree it should be included because like you said, it's a major part of who he is. Even if it's in his (supposedly) in his past, like on XTAS, it still is a foundation of the character. Any iteration for me has to have that sense of mystery and craftiness about him for it to work.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on May 15, 2022, 03:00:13 PM
I can see that with Lang already being introduced as the thief with a heart of gold, that Gambit being a thief in the MCU might seem redundant. I would be sad if he weren’t a thief, bc let’s face it, comic thiefs are sexy as heck. But if he were a grifter/hustler/con man it would be a more Ultimate Gambit, which is still Gambit-y enough for me. He needs some kind of seedy past for certain. Maybe part of a crime family where, for reasons outside of his control, he finds himself on the outs.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: hairlesscat on May 15, 2022, 04:43:00 PM
It's funny you mention Ant-Man. I remember waaaaayyyyy back in 2006 saying that Gambit should have a solo heist movie set in the larger mutant universe and people saying "Nah. It won't work. It's not that different from a regular heist movie." Bottom line, people lack imagination. LOL! Fox could have easily used Gambit like that, but Bryan Singer et al were too obsessed with Wolverine to focus on any other characters!


*A-HEM* Sorry.


Anyway, I think the MCU is big enough for more than one professional thief. And I think that Gambit can be distinguished enough from Lang for several reasons. One being his connection to the Guilds and all the supernatural/old world elements that brings into his narrative. And as Gambit says, he is at least a 10-bit thief. So even if he is a conman, it doesn't stop him from also being the badass, master thief he is in the comics.


Finally, Scott Lang is a bit of a goody-two-shoes. They didn't really let him be seedy or morally ambiguous. Gambit is. And while I know he LIKES to steal from criminals, I'm not entirely convinced that the Guild cares who they steal from so long as they get their money in the end. I think Gambit needs to have a character arc in which he goes from a more self-interested thief (think WATXM) to a more heart-of-gold one.


That's just my opinion though.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: anya on May 15, 2022, 08:30:06 PM
Scott not a ‘professional’ thief, he was a computer programmer who stole from a corrupt company when he found out they were corrupt, but got caught. Then he tries stealing again when he got fired from Baskin-Robbins and got caught again. ;)


So that’s already very different background, with gambit becomes a professional thief, because he was a abandoned, homeless kid with no other options. Which would make him something of a unique character in marvel and other movies, because that would be more of origin story for a tragic, sympathetic villain rather than a ‘hero’. Especially if they keep the ‘he was born with eyes’ angle, then he a abandoned, homeless, disfigured kid. And in movie, facial disfigurement is almost always the hallmark of a bad guy, lol
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: hairlesscat on May 16, 2022, 01:00:57 PM
Scott not a ‘professional’ thief, he was a computer programmer who stole from a corrupt company when he found out they were corrupt, but got caught. Then he tries stealing again when he got fired from Baskin-Robbins and got caught again. ;)
I would say Scott was a professional in the sense that he had been using his know-how to steal for years undetected and even planned and executed a heist for money. He definitely isn't as good of a thief as Gambit though since he gets caught a lot.
So that’s already very different background, with gambit becomes a professional thief, because he was a abandoned, homeless kid with no other options. Which would make him something of a unique character in marvel and other movies, because that would be more of origin story for a tragic, sympathetic villain rather than a ‘hero’.
Very true. Nicieza once said that Gambit is a good study in nature vs. nurture and I agree. He is fundamentally a good person. He's kind, he loves deeply and is even nurturing. But he was raised in the underworld to cheat, steal and lie, so he rarely got the chance to show that side of himself.
Especially if they keep the ‘he was born with eyes’ angle, then he a abandoned, homeless, disfigured kid. And in movie, facial disfigurement is almost always the hallmark of a bad guy, lol
That reminds me of when Blade attacked Gambit assuming he was a vampire because of his eyes. Fun times.

Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on May 18, 2022, 08:39:27 PM
hairlesscat how have you not changed your avatar to sinister's cat yet?


your reminisces of FabNic have made me nostalgic.


totally agree with your guys' points. though, be prepared, if gambit is intro'd as a thief in the mcu, he's gonna get caught. they are probably not going to show him on his best day when all goes smoothly and he gets away scott free.


i'm trying to think back on the other mcu movies... tony is a playboy warmonger jerk who becomes a hero. cap starts off noble nerd and becomes a hero. thor is a self-absorbed turd who comes around and becomes a hero. strange, same. turd-to-hero tale. lang and peter are both screw-ups, but not bad, who kind of inadvertently become heroes. gambit needs a new angle from all that. the extremely reluctant hero, maybe. like: i really really want to be having sex and stealing things, but FINE i guess i'll go save the world. geez. someone pour me a drink.

Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: DonPriceTag on May 20, 2022, 04:03:45 PM
Removing Gambit's connection to crime would mean ignoring what makes him unique amongst the X-Men. Other than characters like Cable and Wolverine - Gambit is X-Man with an established universe all his own. He could (and has) maintained a story WITHOUT involving any specific X-Men lore. He has his own social circles, rogues gallery, recurring characters, and motivations. Most of which exist BECAUSE of his criminal connections and personal background. You don't fall in with mad scientists, mercenaries, assassins, gangsters, spies, and government agents by way of accounting (you can use Iceman as an example of this lol).

I agree. Gambit's criminal background is essential to his character. He needs to be a hero with a chip on his soldier. He needs to feel unworthy while being one of the X-Men's most reliable BECAUSE of that reason. He needs to WANT to be an X-Man in search of becoming a better man - not just become one because he's scared, can't control his powers, has nowhere to go, or is forced to stay against his will. It's what makes him so multi-dimensional and why we hate it when writers ignore it and make him arm-candy.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: anya on May 20, 2022, 09:42:35 PM
That is a very good explanation and very persuasive…


Not trying to change the subject (because it is interesting) but Marvel announced a new mobile game card called Snap. Gambit is in it (a bunch of characters are, but still…). There a picture of his card on the CBR gambit page  [size=78%]https://community.cbr.com/showthread.php?155985-The-King-of-Thieves-Gambit-Appreciation-2022/page47 (https://community.cbr.com/showthread.php?155985-The-King-of-Thieves-Gambit-Appreciation-2022/page47)[/size]
(I am too lazy to try to find the image by itself. ;p)


Back to the previous subject, I do think the MCU will keep his ‘criminal background’ at least to some extant. They always make changes…
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on May 21, 2022, 08:09:06 AM
Quote
He needs to feel unworthy while being one of the X-Men's most reliable BECAUSE of that reason.



I love this particular insight.The solicit for Gambit #5 is out with a cover preview. It says August but I think #1 is delayed til July.  >:(  From the solicits it sounds more like a series of 5 different adventures.


GAMBIT #4 (OF 5) CHRIS CLAREMONT (W) • SID KOTIAN (A)Cover by WHILCE PORTACIOREMY AND RO’S EXCELLENT ADVENTURE!• Riverboat heists! Interdimensional battles! And an OUT-OF-THIS-WORLD concert with headliner LILA CHENEY!• But headhunters from beyond the stars threaten to disrupt the festivities, and their actions will change the course of GAMBIT and RO’s destinies forever!• All this and BOUNTY strikes


July
GAMBIT #3 (OF 5)CHRIS CLAREMONT (W) • SID KOTIAN (A)Cover by WHILCE PORTACIOVariant Cover by MIRKA ANDOLFOREMY'S RUSE AND WARHAWK'S RETURN!• The problem? GAMBIT and 'RO have become a thorn in the side of mogul SOLARZ…• The solution? The mercenary WARHAWK takes the fight to our heroes!• The rebuttal? Remy gears up in his NEW suit, MARISSA DECASTRO dons the classic armor, and 'Ro joins them for a knock-down, drag-out fight along the Mississippi!


Gambit #2

GAMBIT AND 'RO - ON THE LAM AND OFF THE RAILS! 'RO is the mutant X-Man Storm, reverted to childhood and trying to retain use of her powers while fighting to find her memories. GAMBIT is the free spirit Remy LeBeau, not yet an X-Man and making his way up and down the Mississippi. What do they have in common? They're mutants, they're thieves, and they're having a blast! But their side mission to escape the SHADOW KING goes off the rails when sudden disaster strikes, and the duo find themselves in the midst of local trouble with 'Ro's life - and very essence - in the balance. Can Gambit find the heroic path before it's too late? Featuring old favorites as well as new friends and enemies!


GAMBIT #1 (OF 5) CHRIS CLAREMONT (W) • SID KOTIAN (A) • Cover by WHILCE PORTACIOVARIANT COVER BY PEACH MOMOKOVIRGIN VARIANT COVER BY PEACH MOMOKOVARIANT COVER BY SALVADOR LARROCAVARIANT COVER BY INHYUK LEEVARIANT COVER BY SCOTT WILLIAMSAll-NEW ADVENTURES OF THE LEGENDARY THIEF BY CO-CREATOR CHRIS CLAREMONT!You think you know all there is to know about Remy LeBeau, the Ragin' Cajun, the mutant known as GAMBIT — but legendary X-scribe Chris Claremont has an ace up his sleeve with this new series! Before he joined the X-MEN, Gambit encountered a mysterious girl named 'RO — the mutant STORM regressed to her child self by the nefarious NANNY — and the two went up against the forces of the SHADOW KING! Now, revealed for the first time, Gambit finds his path to becoming the heroic X-Man millions of fans call their favorite! Joined by rising star artist Sid Kotian, Chris weaves a story of action, intrigue and revenge that made Gambit the mutant he is and forged his relationship with Storm. You'll get a charge out of this one, mon ami!32 PGS./Rated T+…$3.99

Edit: got rid of some tags - DPT
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: hairlesscat on May 22, 2022, 11:22:48 AM
hairlesscat how have you not changed your avatar to sinister's cat yet?


your reminisces of FabNic have made me nostalgic.


totally agree with your guys' points. though, be prepared, if gambit is intro'd as a thief in the mcu, he's gonna get caught. they are probably not going to show him on his best day when all goes smoothly and he gets away scott free.


i'm trying to think back on the other mcu movies... tony is a playboy warmonger jerk who becomes a hero. cap starts off noble nerd and becomes a hero. thor is a self-absorbed turd who comes around and becomes a hero. strange, same. turd-to-hero tale. lang and peter are both screw-ups, but not bad, who kind of inadvertently become heroes. gambit needs a new angle from all that. the extremely reluctant hero, maybe. like: i really really want to be having sex and stealing things, but FINE i guess i'll go save the world. geez. someone pour me a drink.
Sinister has a cat? Anyone have pics? TEACH ME YOUR WAYS! Honestly, I've kind of tuned out the comics since Gambit's last ongoing was canceled. Not a fan of most of these more modern X-writers. :(


Also, I love reminiscing about Gambit's badass adventures from his first ongoing. It really showed that he could hold his own without even involving the X-Men.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on May 22, 2022, 04:34:17 PM

Mister Sinister's Cat. He eats Scott Summers' eyeballs and seems to share DNA with Sinister and Cyke. He's so ugly, he's cute.

(https://64.media.tumblr.com/18b36f8f6463e0595449ba413a0c95b9/377310c7b6fca4a9-35/s1280x1920/85e3110d8fa9b57dfd4cb2be69c26aa75be57f87.jpg)



Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on May 29, 2022, 10:21:28 AM
https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/lea-seydoux-opens-up-on-infamously-abandoned-x-men-spinoff-gambit/ (https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/lea-seydoux-opens-up-on-infamously-abandoned-x-men-spinoff-gambit/)


It's the story of the Gambit movie that will never go away. Belle's casting. And a cool fanart poster someone made for the movie.


https://www.indiewire.com/2022/05/lea-seydoux-interview-crimes-of-the-future-1234728901/ (https://www.indiewire.com/2022/05/lea-seydoux-interview-crimes-of-the-future-1234728901/)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: hairlesscat on May 30, 2022, 06:02:58 PM
Oooh! That is some slick fanart. I LOVE it! Still prefer the "Man of Steal" tagline though.


Weird confession time: Way back before the Gambit movie was even announced, I always pictured then little-known actress Amber Heard playing Bella Donna Boudreaux. She always struck me as beautiful, but with a ruthless/crazy streak in her eyes. I thought she was perfect.


Obviously not gonna happen now (with all the unfortunate scandal and drama destroying both her career and Johnny Depp's). But funny to think about nonetheless.


Thanks for the cat pic too.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: wantutosigh on May 30, 2022, 08:05:15 PM
Lea Seydoux would've been way better. She has an interesting look and style about her. Amber Heard is plain Jane and not a very good actress.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: hairlesscat on May 30, 2022, 08:16:07 PM
Okay, come on now. You may not like Amber Heard - and I'm not fond of her myself - but saying she is plain is crazy IMO. The woman is classically beautiful. Do you really believe that the average Caucasian woman looks like Amber Heard? If so, where do you live? I wanna move there and see what the guys are like!


Personally, I think Lea Seydoux has a potato face. She's only pretty in airbrushed pictures. Never understood the fuss. But maybe that's just me.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on May 30, 2022, 09:00:58 PM
I imagined Belle as a combo of a younger Kristen Chenoweth and Kristen Bell.


But, confession: almost all attractive white women look exactly the same to me so just dye their hair blond. I honestly think everyone is just Anne Hathaway in a wig.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Nekobaghira on May 31, 2022, 06:04:25 PM
Joe Quesada .... years too late. He screwed Gambit hard core. And he did not care about female fans, I know this due to a dismissive email sent to me. 

He cancelled the first ongoing due to "too many books".  While we've had some good books, KT and TH are awful (IMO). There is no fixing until somebody actually gives a crap about the character and more than a love interest. IMO
Good. He should have been gone a long time ago. All he cared about was Cyke.

https://www.ign.com/articles/joe-quesada-retires-marvel-comics-editor
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on May 31, 2022, 08:06:08 PM
Joe Quesada .... years too late. He screwed Gambit hard core. And he did not care about female fans, I know this due to a dismissive email sent to me. 

He cancelled the first ongoing due to "too many books".  While we've had some good books, KT and TH are awful (IMO). There is no fixing until somebody actually gives a crap about the character and more than a love interest. IMO
Good. He should have been gone a long time ago. All he cared about was Cyke.

https://www.ign.com/articles/joe-quesada-retires-marvel-comics-editor (https://www.ign.com/articles/joe-quesada-retires-marvel-comics-editor)


so long, joey q. don't let the door hit 'cha where the good lord split 'ya.


i wonder who will step into his role? someone from within or will they get some fresh blood?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Zoks on June 01, 2022, 03:51:12 PM
So I read the newest Knight of X. What exactly is his tarot cards doing? Seems like they do the same thing. Also do they automatically reload or does he have to go pick them up when he's done? ;D
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on June 02, 2022, 12:33:27 PM
Don’t mean to send you to a different message board, but there’s a poster on cbr who goes into long and most times insightful posts who went on a very long tangent about what the tarot cards do.


https://community.cbr.com/showthread.php?155985-The-King-of-Thieves-Gambit-Appreciation-2022/page51 (https://community.cbr.com/showthread.php?155985-The-King-of-Thieves-Gambit-Appreciation-2022/page51)


It’s “magic” I guess? Howard does one semi-interesting thing with Gambit, but sadly no one actually knows what that thing is.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Zoks on June 02, 2022, 01:26:38 PM
Thanks for the link. I gotta say I agree with a later post there is a lot of assuming that we should know this off-hand. I like the idea behind it, it's just kind of hard to follow.


As an aside I was amused with Gambit bringing junk food to sell for extra cash. Now I want to see a version of Gambit who was picked up by Xavier as a teenager to attend his school, because he would be the kid that snuck candy in to sell as a side hustle.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on June 02, 2022, 02:21:41 PM
i'm confused why a professional thief who can afford a penthouse apartment in tribeca and lives in a state-sponsored paradise where everything is free wants to sell pop-tarts to elves for extra cash. is kellogg's sponsoring him to break into a new market or something? is he using black market candy bar imports as a front to win the hearts and minds of otherword citizens thru transfats? this book raises more questions than produces answers. like: who are these people? why are they here? what is going on? is this the real life? is this just fantasy?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Zoks on June 02, 2022, 02:44:19 PM
i'm confused why a professional thief who can afford a penthouse apartment in tribeca and lives in a state-sponsored paradise where everything is free wants to sell pop-tarts to elves for extra cash. is kellogg's sponsoring him to break into a new market or something? is he using black market candy bar imports as a front to win the hearts and minds of otherword citizens thru transfats? this book raises more questions than produces answers. like: who are these people? why are they here? what is going on? is this the real life? is this just fantasy?


I'm assuming they are using a different currency. It might also be a bit of an Isekai trope. There are many Light Novels, manga, and anime that focus on going to another world while still having some sort of access to the original world, and it's a common theme for them to make a lot of money off of selling cheap junk food due to their novelty in the alternate world.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Nekobaghira on June 02, 2022, 03:55:43 PM
I am confused as to what 'tarot' cards would be used for, yes, I read magic surrounding but getting rid of deck is not good mojo, thus ... there should be a way to destroy them. Not sure why they would use them. I did read the 'magical' used Gambit would be able to deal. Once he charges them, does't he need another deck with those specific cards?


Other than use for readings and things and didn't seem in his wheel-well with the one exception when he was blinded. Weird. :crazy2:
edit: I noticed in a later post that TH loves tarot. That's all we got.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Zoks on June 02, 2022, 04:38:44 PM
Having all those cards without any limitations would make him overpowered, but making them run out would be a bit boring. If Tini goes the DnD route, the fun thing would be to make Gambit a"mutant wizard". He can use a specific number of cards every day, based off a reading he does in the morning. He won't know how they will be used, only that those are the ones he'll get to use for the day.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on June 02, 2022, 08:30:14 PM
He charges them and then whatever happens is largely up to the interpretation of the reader. Like the 4 of swords gets charged and turn into four spikes. You can look for deeper meaning in it if you’re into tarot and enjoy cross-referencing your comic book reading with Wikipedia. I like tarot stuff but I don’t like Howard’s writing. She just slaps powers randomly on characters depending on her plot. Either the cards are magic or gambit is tapping into mutant magic or his powers work magically in Otherworld. Shrugs.


As far as I can tell it’s a one card/one time use only. But he’s only played 4 cards so who knows.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: DonPriceTag on June 03, 2022, 08:48:07 AM
This is more than telling a story. This essentially changes how the character works. It's a departure for a character with little to nothing to do with the occult. This is why you use magical characters for long-form magical stories. Non-magic users don't fare well against magic for a reason. You can't just learn it overnight without natural talent. It's a whole discipline. I suppose there was the one time he went blind and saw something in a charged card and then was never discussed again - but I doubt she's done a deep dive into Gambit. Please - someone, get these characters away from this woman. She's hellbent on treating these stories like D&D campaign.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on June 03, 2022, 09:44:06 AM
tbf, captain britain is the main character focus for 26 issues and we still don't know what her powers are either. it's more like a D&D guidebook than a story. seems like everything is randomly decided by rolling dice. if you read Excalibur and Excalibur v.1.2 like that, it makes more sense! one criticism i saw of the book was that Otherworld is the main character, which is what makes it so dull. howard is the dungeon master who set up the world and the characters are random LARPers playing D&D.


love fantasy genre, longtime reader. i wish after excalibur was staged, howard had exited and let someone else with a better handle on character motivations and relationships play in the world she made. i think it would be awesome for gambit to take over the crooked market and be the kingpin of the otherworld.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Zoks on June 03, 2022, 11:07:28 AM
Gambit figuring out how the cards work isn't too big of a stretch. He did tell Laura's fortune with regular cards in X-23, and his connections with the Thieves Guild will have him a source on how these things work. What we need is clarification on how his powers actually work. What happens when he decides he doesn't want to throw a card he already charged? Can he uncharge them? Where does that uncharged energy go?  This is where that "mutant energy" might come in handy. We could get some actual mechanics behind how his "charging" actually works. Unfortunately Tini has way too big of a cast to focus on this, not to mention she doesn't explain things in the first place. Maybe we'll get some exposition in his upcoming series.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: DonPriceTag on June 03, 2022, 11:20:05 AM
Gambit figuring out how the cards work isn't too big of a stretch. He did tell Laura's fortune with regular cards in X-23, and his connections with the Thieves Guild will have him a source on how these things work. What we need is clarification on how his powers actually work. What happens when he decides he doesn't want to throw a card he already charged? Can he uncharge them? Where does that uncharged energy go?  This is where that "mutant energy" might come in handy. We could get some actual mechanics behind how his "charging" actually works. Unfortunately Tini has way too big of a cast to focus on this, not to mention she doesn't explain things in the first place. Maybe we'll get some exposition in his upcoming series.


That's all well and good. The problem comes when this book eventually ends or he leaves the roster. What then? The character's base function is altered. Now the next person is going to come in and do one or two things - ignore like any of this nonsense happened, or continue to build on it. By the next rotation - this may not be close to the same character. Look what she's done to poor Rictor and Betsy. Without a clean wipe, the characters are forever altered. Thankfully Rictor is a C-lister and Betsy's most famous iteration as Psylocke is protected by Kwannon continuing on. Gambit's not so lucky. He doesn't have a clone out there and he's far from a 3rd tier character. He's a top 10 x-men character that will continue to be in the rotation despite how badly current-day writers try to bury him.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: DonPriceTag on June 03, 2022, 11:29:29 AM
Tini randomly came up with the idea of using 10 characters in her book to go along with the "X". I'm pretty sure if Jordan White had some sense he'd throw every last magical character at her - just to avoid drastic changes that probably wont carry over. I think I can scrounge up 10 magic x-men - good and "bad" that were available at the time of relaunch (not now - heck Selene is dead now and at least 3 are on rosters...):


If I push myself, I think I can keep going... see. No need to forever warp non-magic using characters for dungeon-crawling nonsense.

Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Zoks on June 03, 2022, 12:23:19 PM

That's all well and good. The problem comes when this book eventually ends or he leaves the roster. What then? The character's base function is altered. Now the next person is going to come in and do one or two things - ignore like any of this nonsense happened, or continue to build on it. By the next rotation - this may not be close to the same character. Look what she's done to poor Rictor and Betsy. Without a clean wipe, the characters are forever altered. Thankfully Rictor is a C-lister and Betsy's most famous iteration as Psylocke is protected by Kwannon continuing on. Gambit's not so lucky. He doesn't have a clone out there and he's far from a 3rd tier character. He's a top 10 x-men character that will continue to be in the rotation despite how badly current-day writers try to bury him.


If Tini actually gives Gambit's power some definition, I'm ok with it. The whole "turns potential energy into kinetic energy" is kind of vague. Potential energy as we know it for our application is basically the energy applied by the Earth's gravity on an object relative to its position. (There is another definition involving elastic force but that has nothing to do with what he does.) So if he's fighting in Denver he should theoretically be much more powerful than if he's fighting in New Orleans.  But what happens when he is in space? Is he converting energy based off the sun? If the energy conversion happens when he releases an object, then it should have no gravity applied on it and frankly would be impossible to aim. That leaves me with the conclusion the conversion doesn't happen until after the impact. All this has me asking: What exactly is his power?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: DonPriceTag on June 03, 2022, 01:48:44 PM


If Tini actually gives Gambit's power some definition, I'm ok with it. The whole "turns potential energy into kinetic energy" is kind of vague. Potential energy as we know it for our application is basically the energy applied by the Earth's gravity on an object relative to its position. (There is another definition involving elastic force but that has nothing to do with what he does.) So if he's fighting in Denver he should theoretically be much more powerful than if he's fighting in New Orleans.  But what happens when he is in space? Is he converting energy based off the sun? If the energy conversion happens when he releases an object, then it should have no gravity applied on it and frankly would be impossible to aim. That leaves me with the conclusion the conversion doesn't happen until after the impact. All this has me asking: What exactly is his power?



...that's an odd question. Where did you read "turns potential energy into kinetic energy"? Gambit's had his powers described in several ways but that sounds more like Bishop. Gambit powers have always revolved around the manipulation of kinetic energy. Either he pushes his own power into an object and excites its molecules causing it to burn out, explode or just increase its overall impact, or something more akin to telekinesis where he releases an object's potential in the form of kinetic energy.

Did Tini tell you that? Did she tell you he can just manipulate ambient energy? It's ok... you can tell me. What did she do?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Zoks on June 03, 2022, 02:25:07 PM
His powers were described that way on Trading cards and the wikis. I'd link it but I don't know how on this forum.


I hope this link works:


https://www.tcdb.com/ViewCard.cfm/sid/74959/cid/5576626/1991-Impel-Marvel-Universe-II-17-Gambit
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on June 03, 2022, 02:51:03 PM
I’ve always understood Gambit’s powers as tapping into of potential energy of an object and converting it to explosive kinetic energy. I mean it’s pretty ambiguous but that’s what I’ve thought it was for the last 30 years.


I can also convert the potential energy of any object into kinetic energy…by throwing it, but I’ve yet to make anything explode.

Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Zoks on June 03, 2022, 03:20:56 PM
I’ve always understood Gambit’s powers as tapping into of potential energy of an object and converting it to explosive kinetic energy. I mean it’s pretty ambiguous but that’s what I’ve thought it was for the last 30 years.


I can also convert the potential energy of any object into kinetic energy…by throwing it, but I’ve yet to make anything explode.


See this is where the confusion lies. We were told in various media formats his power was tapping into potential energy, and assumed to be so by various publications on comics, but in actual application it's more like how Don described his powers. But if it's based on potential energy he's actually messing with gravitational forces, and his power theoretically can have other applications, assuming what he charges can withstand the newly converted energy without exploding.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: DonPriceTag on June 03, 2022, 03:39:40 PM
If we think too much about it... we will hurt ourselves. Let's just settle with "he makes things go boom".
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Zoks on June 03, 2022, 05:36:00 PM
It just occurred to me that gravity would still apply on whatever he charges because gravity is a constant force. So the potential to kinetic energy explanation still works, since theoretically he could charge something for an infinite amount of time or until it blows up in his hand. There is still the problem of which gravitational force he is using for his potential energy source, seeing how he still use his powers in space.


That said I checked X-Men #1 and that only mentions the Kinetic Energy part. I think it's best to pretend that everybody in media and the trading cards are wrong if we don't have Marvel officially use the Potential Energy explanation.


Update: AvX #2 uses the Potential Energy to Kinetic Energy explanation. So it's in the printed comics.





Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Nekobaghira on June 03, 2022, 08:00:39 PM
If we think too much about it... we will hurt ourselves. Let's just settle with "he makes things go boom".

Hilarious. Nothing to contribute but ... whatever. LOL
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Icefanatic on June 04, 2022, 10:52:38 AM
https://www.sideshow.com/blog/gambits-mutant-power-explained/ XD  (https://www.sideshow.com/blog/gambits-mutant-power-explained/)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Zoks on June 04, 2022, 02:01:27 PM
Oh while we are on the topic of his true powers, if Gambit dies, what are the chances the quiet council decides to not resurrect him? Wouldn't he come back at full power and possibly inadvertently blow everything up?  ;D
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: DonPriceTag on June 04, 2022, 11:04:31 PM
Oh while we are on the topic of his true powers, if Gambit dies, what are the chances the quiet council decides to not resurrect him? Wouldn't he come back at full power and possibly inadvertently blow everything up?  ;D


I mean, that's a situation you take with most powerful mutants. They're all dangerous, but that's mostly because they have no resources or individuals to help them learn about themselves. Gambit's biggest problem in the 616 and any universe was guidance. Remember, New Sun had complete control over his powers and didn't incinerate his world until he tried to do something very specific.


On the other hand, the writers are @_#&. Cyclops has been reborn at least twice and still has to use his visor to control his powers. He keeps getting remade with brain damage. I'm sure they'll handwave it away as some mind over matter nonsense. If they want to keep Gambit status quo, they have the man responsible. They can just insert a surgery montage of Sinister performing the procedure on Gambit prior to insertion of his mind.


At the same time you're assuming these crap writers even know anything about Gambit's solo series. I doubt they'll acknowledge it at all... If it happens.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on June 05, 2022, 11:51:52 AM
I wish Wanda's spell was "No More Omega Mutants."


The classification is stupid. It's like an endless argument between two thirteen year old boys over which superhero would win in a fight. Having amazing powers is fun and all, but not what makes me love a character.


'Omega' is stupid because their powers are just whatever the plot calls for. Supposedly Captain Britain can fly, but in the last issue of KoX, she's hanging upside down by her legs from a ledge. b***h, can't you fly? Don't you have TK or something? Magneto can terraform a planet, but not push a metal space station into the sun. Why? because it gives him a headache. Jamie Braddock can birth a space station, but not stop Merlyn's army "because reality is too thin." What???


In Excalibur, Gambit can catch missiles and absorb them, I guess. Or like, make a bullet vanish? It's all just: whatever. If he could suddenly generate magic exploding kittens, it wouldn't surprise me.


But I guess if I'm going to be serious for one brief moment, I'd say the resurrections seem to make mutants stronger, see: Synch. So, if the plot called for it, yes, Remy could come back with enhanced abilities. I am guessing Scott came back with the visor and Karma came back with a metal leg because it was a personal choice. Gambit would likely make it his personal choice not to have New Sun powers.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Nekobaghira on June 06, 2022, 09:51:05 AM
I wish Wanda's spell was "No More Omega Mutants."


The classification is stupid. It's like an endless argument between two thirteen year old boys over which superhero would win in a fight. Having amazing powers is fun and all, but not what makes me love a character.

Only comic book people even know what an 'omega' is alleged. Iceman has been referenced as 'omega' and we never see him use his 'full potential', for whatever writer reason and the only one who tried was Liu. (However, she sort of cheated by using an Apocalypse seed thing.)

Now there is a whole generation of fans who have no idea beyond Teen Wolf and Supernatural the meaning of 'omega' and that the comic book industry vaguely defined that word.


You find that stuff and you get male pregnancy. *smh*

I do agree if Gambit died and came back, no new sun powers, it would be a choice and I can actually see that with the character.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Zoks on June 06, 2022, 10:30:46 AM
Oh I only brought it up because I figured there was no way in Hell any writer would let him have that level of power.  It's not good to have that amount of power for the kind of stories he is in. So either they had to find a way to reduce his powers during the resurrection, not resurrect him, or most likely forget he ever had that kind of potential in the first place.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: DonPriceTag on June 06, 2022, 09:48:31 PM
I wish Wanda's spell was "No More Omega Mutants."


The classification is stupid. It's like an endless argument between two thirteen year old boys over which superhero would win in a fight. Having amazing powers is fun and all, but not what makes me love a character.


'Omega' is stupid because their powers are just whatever the plot calls for. Supposedly Captain Britain can fly, but in the last issue of KoX, she's hanging upside down by her legs from a ledge. b***h, can't you fly? Don't you have TK or something? Magneto can terraform a planet, but not push a metal space station into the sun. Why? because it gives him a headache. Jamie Braddock can birth a space station, but not stop Merlyn's army "because reality is too thin." What???


In Excalibur, Gambit can catch missiles and absorb them, I guess. Or like, make a bullet vanish? It's all just: whatever. If he could suddenly generate magic exploding kittens, it wouldn't surprise me.


But I guess if I'm going to be serious for one brief moment, I'd say the resurrections seem to make mutants stronger, see: Synch. So, if the plot called for it, yes, Remy could come back with enhanced abilities. I am guessing Scott came back with the visor and Karma came back with a metal leg because it was a personal choice. Gambit would likely make it his personal choice not to have New Sun powers.


...wait did Karma die and come back without her legs? That was an example, right? That didn't actually happen, right?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on June 07, 2022, 08:27:32 AM
Pretty sure she was killed by Dani in the Crucible, then came back right before the Gala, and yes, she chose to be an amputee.


So I am assuming Scott chooses to come back brain damaged! :D


There was a very brief discussion between NorthStar and Kyle about resurrecting mutants without phycological trauma, too. I think it touched on our experiences making us who we are versus not having so many mentally ill mutants.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: purplevit on June 07, 2022, 04:25:54 PM
Read X-Men 9,10 and 11.
Agree with NicoPony that it leads to Gambit.
Well it should be if Duggan just won't troll us again because Duggan can't be trusted.


I have a theory to where Duggan ia leading it. Usually I am wrong about such things but now may be righ so


WARNING FOR POSSILE SPOILERS.



1 Gambit has Dauterman Gala design so he will join a new Duggan X-Men roster.
Kox will end up a 5 issue mini as amazon says.


2 Higher Evolutionary is the main villain of Duggan's story and will be revealed  as Sinister with Spades.
It is rumored that Higher Evolutionary created Rocket Racoon. In ssue 11 Rocket was showing a spade ace a few times.


3 Gambit will be revealed as Sinister with Heart. Probably the one from 4 Sinisters who got the most humanity.
That is why Destiny hates him.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on June 07, 2022, 06:24:50 PM
Ahhh… number two is an interesting connection I did not put together but makes a lot of sense!
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Zoks on June 07, 2022, 08:22:43 PM
That would be nice, seeing how Gambit has been at best a Christmas tree ornament in the main story for so long I stopped paying attention to it other than buying the occasional book that he shows up in when you guys say something here.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: purplevit on June 08, 2022, 03:01:54 PM
Gambit 2 Dauterman Gala variant


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUqOh6UUYAAgxn_.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: anya on June 08, 2022, 05:33:42 PM
Nice, though I always thought the Krakoa trees were creepy looking. :p


I like the theory, seems to fit, you are also right that Dugan is a troll, so can’t be sure…
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on June 08, 2022, 05:51:00 PM
I am scared the only reason Gambit has a Gala outfit is bc he dies in Otherworld and gets resurrected on Krakoa while the rest of the team is trapped in Fairytown.


My guesses are always wrong so I hope by saying this out loud it makes it not happen.


We should’ve had one issue of the Gambit solo at least by now and instead we’re waiting til the end of July.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Zoks on June 08, 2022, 06:28:32 PM
But if you die in Otherworld, you don't come back "right". Maybe he'll use one of his Tarot cards to get around that? He would be the one to figure out how to game the system.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on June 09, 2022, 08:17:19 AM
If the Siege Perilous is involved, then amnesia is also a possibility. And I think there’s at least two mutants in Otherworld who can just straight up bring people back to life.


Gambit could come back like Wanda with missing memories. I don’t really understand the Resurrection thing between the eggs and then whatever it is that brought back Wanda. I thought there were two ways to resurrect now…? Like Egg way or Magic Pond way. Could be wrong, I quit reading Trial O Magneto after #3 which might’ve been the single worst comic I’ve ever read.


Re: to the Gambit/Sinister connection, In Immortal #2 Destiny tells Sinister: we need to be on the same side, and Sinister is like, wtf you talking about you never said that to me before. So who did Destiny talk to then? One of the other Sinister Suits?


in XMen 9 Destiny says ‘we’ll need you by our side.’ Unclear if she is talking to Gambit or Rogue tho, but she does address Gambit by name (to tell him to shut up mostly).

I’ll throw out there that Gambit isn’t a Sinister suit, but a wildcard. :D

Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: cajunpirate on June 09, 2022, 09:15:33 AM
Not a huge fan of Gambit's Gala wardrobe. I would have gone with a classy look...black tux, no tie, purple shirt, shoes and gloves. On a different note, been reading the early Gambit stories from Claremont, back in the blue & yellow uniform days. The ultimate bad-ass. Reminds me why I like the character so much.

Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: anya on June 09, 2022, 11:42:05 PM

The whole gala is a riff on the Met Gala, so emphasis on the out there fashion.

...wait did Karma die and come back without her legs? That was an example, right? That didn't actually happen, right?
That did indeed happen…The discussion thread in CBR was …interesting and eventually got locked, lol. It was like, ‘why tf did karma come back without her leg?’ ‘Because disabled people exist you ableist!’ Yeah, it was…fun…
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: DonPriceTag on June 10, 2022, 10:05:58 AM
Pretty sure she was killed by Dani in the Crucible, then came back right before the Gala, and yes, she chose to be an amputee.


So I am assuming Scott chooses to come back brain damaged! :D


There was a very brief discussion between NorthStar and Kyle about resurrecting mutants without phycological trauma, too. I think it touched on our experiences making us who we are versus not having so many mentally ill mutants.


Karma wasn't born without her leg. It was violently taken from her in Messiah Complex or Second Coming by Lady Death. In what Mickey Mouse world would someone who lost their leg in an accident or assault would choose not to have them back? That's nonsense. If they didn't want her to abandon the long-running character aspect - then just don't address it at all. This isn't qn issue of pride - that's ridiculous and super unrealistic. I suppose Hellion wouldn't want his hands back either? The problem isn't the absence or presence - it's the fact that anyone would choose it when it would automatically be restored.


She'd have to consciously choose to go OUT OF HER WAY to be reborn without it or have someone take it off again... come up with something like: "your brain/consciouness has learned to function without it - trying to reverse it would put your system into shock. You may never have full functionality out of it..." That would explain away the ludicrous idea of someone choosing not to have a limb restored. This was a socio-political choice because they didn't want to deal with any "backlash". But then just don't do the story and leave it as it is. Just ridiculous... They've definitely mucked up this whole Ressurection thing.

Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on June 10, 2022, 10:27:32 AM
if it's a statement on ableism, well, it's pretty disingenuous. they're just protecting their characters' trademarks.


because cyclops without the brain damage and visor would just be a rando white dude bossing everyone around.


even stupider is wolverine being reborn and having a metal skeleton ADDED on. hey, this is poison and causes constant suffering, but we're rebonding this to your body because ...i guess it looks cool?


and now laura is Oops All Adamantium bc the person who brought her back just assumed she'd want that. if i'd woke up and found out i now weighed 300 pounds, i'd be like WTF dude!


theoretically you could be resurrected in someone else's body if you so chose. i don't know why everyone wouldn't just choose to be Storm.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Zoks on June 10, 2022, 06:05:50 PM
So reading up on how the reviving works, if Gambit signed up for it Hope could dampen his powers so he wouldn't need surgery from Sinister. But all this ableism talk has me wondering will be come back with red and black eyes. Seems like a bad feature to have as a thief. ;D
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: anya on June 12, 2022, 06:32:57 PM
Wolverine and cyclops were preserving a trademark. Karma doesn’t have a trademark, let’s e honest. She didn’t even make it in to the terrible new mutants movie. It was a twitter level political statement (because,yes, the writer got in on calling people who didn’t like it ableist.) though, they didn’t have anything to say about Xavier strolling around, or about any of the other characters getting modifications during the resurrections, coming back younger or stronger etc. yes, i got slightly over worked at this, because I had crushed my foot in a car wreck and even though it healed pretty well considering, magically being healed completely would be nice and it does not makes me freaking ableist. Next those guys break an arm or leg, don’t get a cast, wanting to heal is ableist. *grumble, grumble* *rant over* *deep breathes…meditation music playing…*
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: DonPriceTag on June 13, 2022, 09:28:17 PM
Ableist was a thing... Apparently neither does my phone or browser. We're making up stuff now. This has more to do with logic than anything else. I suppose Legion is an ableist too, because he was born with a healthy brain with a stable personality (well more stable)... I guess any mutant that goes through the Crucible to get their lost powers back too. And yeah, Xavier. It's just silly.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on June 14, 2022, 12:30:40 PM
Wolverine and cyclops were preserving a trademark. Karma doesn’t have a trademark, let’s e honest. She didn’t even make it in to the terrible new mutants movie. It was a twitter level political statement (because,yes, the writer got in on calling people who didn’t like it ableist.) though, they didn’t have anything to say about Xavier strolling around, or about any of the other characters getting modifications during the resurrections, coming back younger or stronger etc. yes, i got slightly over worked at this, because I had crushed my foot in a car wreck and even though it healed pretty well considering, magically being healed completely would be nice and it does not makes me freaking ableist. Next those guys break an arm or leg, don’t get a cast, wanting to heal is ableist. *grumble, grumble* *rant over* *deep breathes…meditation music playing…*


Totally understandable.

Is a deaf person getting a cochlear implant ableist? If a mother chooses to correct her fetus’ deformity in utero, is that ableist?

I’ve understood the general lack of wheelchair access, and other things able-bodied people take for granted to be ‘ableist.’ Discriminating against people on the autism spectrum or with different intellectual abilities is ableist. Correcting a physical impairment isnt being ableist. I think the author is really reaching here. She just wanted to have Karma with a metal leg bc it looked good with her pink cotton candy gown she wore at the last Gala and she’s covering it up with some nonsense virtue signaling. Forge must feel similarly, but having mechanical bits actually makes sense for his powers. Of course he’d want to make improvements and modifications just because he can. Like Don said, don’t make no sense for Karma.

So reading up on how the reviving works, if Gambit signed up for it Hope could dampen his powers so he wouldn't need surgery from Sinister. But all this ableism talk has me wondering will be come back with red and black eyes. Seems like a bad feature to have as a thief. ;D


Agreed, he’d pick the non-surgical please tweak my powers option. His eyes though, his birth parents’ assumed rejection aside, I think he’s played that feature to his advantage. Maybe he wouldn’t have been as charming if he hadn’t had to compensate for his weird eyeballs.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: cajunpirate on June 14, 2022, 12:53:47 PM
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Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: cajunpirate on June 14, 2022, 12:54:29 PM
https://bleedingcool.com/comics/who-will-die-in-knights-of-x-3-and-why-will-it-be-gambit/

Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on June 15, 2022, 08:19:42 AM
Don’t think of it as death. Think of it as an opportunity to not be written by Howard.



Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: DonPriceTag on June 20, 2022, 10:20:02 AM
If he does I think they'll use this as an excuse to separate him from Rogue, thus removing her uterus from being invaded by outside DNA - because THEY keep bringing it up. Because procreation of that sort is... Distasteful to this group of writers  ;D . But seriously, I think writers are chomping at the bit to throw Rogue at their latest insert. It's a thing that they do. Haven't been able to in a while. Maybe they'll bring him back changed from dying in Otherworld, maybe without his memory of their marriage.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on June 20, 2022, 06:33:47 PM
the number one concern about the rumors of gambit's death is what it means for rogue.


gambit was ripped limb from limb by a horde of furies! oh, no, poor rogue. she'll be so sad.


if gambit gets fridged for rogue's character development, i'm going to be so PO'd. he's been her foil for the last decade. the relationship wouldn't exist if not for gambit putting in the time and effort. she should show up for him for a change with 100% support. i don't want to hear about her feelings and what she wants and how tragic her life is.


hoping for a storyline that is uniquely gambit with nothing to do with rogue. i don't know if there's a gambit/sinister connection building. i don't even know if i like the idea of it, like if he's just another clone. i hope there's a unique spin. between gillen and duggan i'd imagine they'd come up with something cool.


no married couples, no babies. this seems to be an issue with the current writers, not the subject matter. i think if Liu or Williams or even KT were given a stab at the topic, they would do an excellent job with that kind of storytelling. unfortunately it looks like editorial has written it off as uninteresting. i think they are uninteresting. i'm bored of xmen fighting godzilla monsters every week. give me a break with this giant robot/kajui (sp?) bullshirt.

Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: hairlesscat on June 21, 2022, 09:25:54 PM
I'm not familiar with Williams, but neither KT and ML write Gambit that well IMO. I feel like the last writer who really got Gambit was James Asmus.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: DonPriceTag on June 21, 2022, 10:56:38 PM
...ah @&$&.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on June 22, 2022, 07:44:39 AM
I'm not familiar with Williams, but neither KT and ML write Gambit that well IMO. I feel like the last writer who really got Gambit was James Asmus.


i wasn't specifically saying they should write gambit, but that they have a good handle on family dynamics (spouses/partners, children, friendships).


i appreciate liu for giving us a more grown-up gambit.


i don't think KT wrote a bad gambit. i think she wrote a boring gambit. he was a foil for rogue's development. otherwise rogue would be talking to a wall. at least he was a sexy wall.


fabnic, asmus, then maybe cc are best at gambit.


...ah @&$&.


 :cheers:


he is FREED from being under her pen! rejoice!

Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Zoks on June 22, 2022, 09:59:58 AM

he is FREED from being under her pen! rejoice!


Don't celebrate too quickly. Between the Siege Perilous and whatever the f*** he was doing with his tarot cards (that last page suggests he wasn't being suicidal entirely and he had a backup plan involving his tarot cards) I suspect he will be back by the end of the mini.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: hairlesscat on June 22, 2022, 11:12:00 AM

i wasn't specifically saying they should write gambit, but that they have a good handle on family dynamics (spouses/partners, children, friendships).


i appreciate liu for giving us a more grown-up gambit.


i don't think KT wrote a bad gambit. i think she wrote a boring gambit. he was a foil for rogue's development. otherwise rogue would be talking to a wall. at least he was a sexy wall.


fabnic, asmus, then maybe cc are best at gambit.



 :cheers:


he is FREED from being under her pen! rejoice!
Oh no, I get what you're saying. I'm just saying that neither one wrote a particularly good treatment of Gambit. ML's Gambit was mature, but he was also boring. And Gambit is anything but.


Personally, I would say FabNic > CC (Iconic OG portrayal) > Asmus.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Zoks on June 22, 2022, 11:47:17 AM
Btw I do like Tini's plot ideas, she is just so bad at using the characters, and the dialogue is disjarring. I think our boy got off easy. I know we are a Gambit fan community but after seeing how Rachel was written I would gladly take what happened to Gambit, rather than having their lines and roles switched.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Nekobaghira on June 22, 2022, 12:50:41 PM
Okay, something happened? Clue me in please, its been so long since I've read a comic book. Is Gambit free of TH?
Agree with the boring thoughts (pov) from those here, I can understand it even if I did like ML.
KT was completely boring and TH is just clueless. I also understand why the romy fandom loved KT's run. Not my jam but okay.

So - who is Williams and what book in-case I try it.
edit: based on info, one of us should tell Remydat. LOL
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: DonPriceTag on June 22, 2022, 01:08:36 PM
Don't you bring Remydat into this. He's busy enjoying his kid. No need to sully that... My concern isn't Gambit's death... It's that when mutants die in Otherworld, when they are brought back - they are different. Sometimes drastically. Most often mentally and psychologically completely different... Have you seen Rockslide lately? Or Gorgon?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Nekobaghira on June 22, 2022, 01:26:08 PM
I didn't know Remydat had a kid - Congrats to him and family.

No, I haven't seen Rockslide or Gorgon. I've been MIA for a long time despite keeping this place rolling.
At least its 'Otherworld', not sure what it means but  ... I'm alright being clueless.
With his death, does it mean his marriage is over?

Don't forget the spoilers for a week, unless this isn't really new. LOL
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on June 22, 2022, 02:59:08 PM
Otherworld = Magical Realm, some kind of universal nexus. Die here, you come back as a combo of all potential YOUs in any universe/reality. Rockslide died and was resurrected as a living paperweight.


Alternatives to "traditional" Egg resurrection:


Siege Perilous (the whole reason they are in Otherworld right now). Caveat with this method: Come back as a ninja assassin in a navy blue thong uniform you're damned to wear until the end of time.


Omega-level Mutant. There's at least a dozen reality warping mutants now, and half of them are hanging out in Otherworld. They can just straight up give him a Phoenix Down and revive him. <--that's a Final Fantasy reference, btw.


Spell casting. Gambit died by charging a magical tarot card, tapping into its magical potential. Apparently the spell backfired, killing him. He states he has a "plan", but previous plans included selling black market PopTarts, so who knows. But he is Death, as he tells Merlyn. Does the tarot spell card actually kill, or just change him? Anyway, it appears he exploded himself in a blast of purple light and is pictured in a pool of blood with the card partially destroyed.

Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Zoks on June 22, 2022, 03:44:28 PM
After some thinking I think this comic is Gambit's best showing in this era.


He did well as a leader considering Rachel's one-track minded behavior, and kept the team focused on what was important: rescuing those in need.  And then when Betsy arrived on the scene he immediately ceded his leadership position and took back his traditional role of a stealth specialist with some fire power if needed. This is well in character because he does not want to lead if he knows there is someone else who is at least as qualified as him, if not more. His self-sacrificing behavior is also actually quite in character when you consider his history. He is probably still haunted by the Morlock Massacre. That was the first time he came across a small community of mutants in danger, and he chose to do nothing until the last moment despite his doubts, ending up with so many of them dying. We can see that creates a trigger for him. If there is a small community of mutants at risk and he has his doubts, he is going to be preemptive in his actions, even if it isn't the smartest idea. We saw this in action back in the 198 days when he chose to become Death in an attempt to keep Apocalypse in line, and we saw it again in KoX #3 when he used that huge blast to ward off Merlin, though we do need to wait until next month to see if it was actually worthwhile. Damn shame we finally get a good showing for him and he ends up dying.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: DonPriceTag on June 22, 2022, 04:19:18 PM
Ok... That wasn't even worth pirating. It was 3 panels. Not even well staged.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on June 22, 2022, 07:41:27 PM
If you look real close, you can see Gambit left a message:tell my cats I love them



Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: DonPriceTag on June 22, 2022, 10:52:12 PM
If you look real close, you can see Gambit left a message:tell my cats I love them


That's a joke... Right?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Sparta on June 23, 2022, 02:27:34 AM
Don't you bring Remydat into this. He's busy enjoying his kid. No need to sully that... My concern isn't Gambit's death... It's that when mutants die in Otherworld, when they are brought back - they are different. Sometimes drastically. Most often mentally and psychologically completely different... Have you seen Rockslide lately? Or Gorgon?


Firstly, congrats to Remydat, that's wonderful news to hear.
About the spoiler post...
That's my concern too, it's not the death that worries me, (what I've read of the death scene tells me there's much more to play out)...it's what happens afterwards and who writes it. But I think they are trying to fix the Otherworld resurrections in the upcoming stories, and there are a few avenues for Gambit to be restored again, there are theories about the Siege Perilous, the Death persona etc.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on June 23, 2022, 07:39:24 AM

That's a joke... Right?


I crack myself up.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: cajunpirate on June 23, 2022, 02:40:00 PM
I'll be wearing my Gambit socks to the funeral. For a pair of your own...


https://rockemsocks.com/collections/x-men (https://rockemsocks.com/collections/x-men)

edit for link via the mod. LOL
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Chizlett on June 24, 2022, 07:56:05 PM
I was not prepared for this issue, and now I'm paranoid for the brand new Gambit.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: remydat on June 25, 2022, 03:43:08 PM

Don't you bring Remydat into this. He's busy enjoying his kid. No need to sully that... My concern isn't Gambit's death... It's that when mutants die in Otherworld, when they are brought back - they are different. Sometimes drastically. Most often mentally and psychologically completely different... Have you seen Rockslide lately? Or Gorgon?

I didn't know Remydat had a kid - Congrats to him and family.

No, I haven't seen Rockslide or Gorgon. I've been MIA for a long time despite keeping this place rolling.
At least its 'Otherworld', not sure what it means but  ... I'm alright being clueless.
With his death, does it mean his marriage is over?

Don't forget the spoilers for a week, unless this isn't really new. LOL


Firstly, congrats to Remydat, that's wonderful news to hear.
About the spoiler post...
That's my concern too, it's not the death that worries me, (what I've read of the death scene tells me there's much more to play out)...it's what happens afterwards and who writes it. But I think they are trying to fix the Otherworld resurrections in the upcoming stories, and there are a few avenues for Gambit to be restored again, there are theories about the Siege Perilous, the Death persona etc.

Yes had a daughter back in March so 3 months now.  Haven't been around much but figured Gambit was dying soon.  All I can say is thank God and hopefully he stays dead.  Comic book Gambit is dead to me.  My only hope is he shows up in a Marvel TV series as it is clear comic book writers have no love for him.


Also, how long do we figure before Rogue is screwing someone else?  I would bet she waits until the funeral at least.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: DonPriceTag on June 28, 2022, 10:39:29 AM
I was not prepared for this issue, and now I'm paranoid for the brand new Gambit.


If he was going to stay dead, Id be more at ease... my concern is that these hacks will be able to mold him - with all this Death-talk I'm scared they will resurrect what most consider to be Gambit's worst state. Seeing what they did to Rockslide and Gorgon - both of whom also died in Otherworld - I'm not confident.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on June 28, 2022, 11:47:32 AM
Seems fitting that the current most terrible X-Writer should directly reference the last most terrible X-Writer of all time. Like matching bookends, she brought back the whiny, annoying, incompetent Rogue-obsessed Gambit from days of yore.


Rumor has it this trainwreck finally derails at #5. I pray Howard finds work elsewhere, writing D&D manuals or something she will enjoy and might be good at. And that whatever Gambit comes back as, it’s under someone else’s pen. Because having this other Death personality Gambit has been repressing come out of hiding could be interesting, but not if Howard is in charge. And maybe explain why he’s had no spine, personality or spark for so long, if he’s shutting down all the thoughts/feelings that make him less desirable to Rogue.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: remydat on June 30, 2022, 08:44:50 PM



Unless Howard was just trolling, I have to believe Gambit jad a plan for his supposed Death. So I think it will be less the Rockslide situation and more a transformation that he himself initiated by using that card. Of course, I accept that she might in fact just be trolling and have no intent of delivering on that. Almost best not to completely rule out incomeptence when it comes to Marvel and Gambit.


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Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Nekobaghira on July 01, 2022, 11:20:58 AM
Howard is so clueless when it comes to Gambit. Marvel allows it to continue which is ridiculous.

LOL - I agree Remydat on the not rule out incompetence by Marvel.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Icefanatic on July 01, 2022, 07:51:05 PM

Totally understandable.

Is a deaf person getting a cochlear implant ableist? If a mother chooses to correct her fetus’ deformity in utero, is that ableist?

I’ve understood the general lack of wheelchair access, and other things able-bodied people take for granted to be ‘ableist.’ Discriminating against people on the autism spectrum or with different intellectual abilities is ableist. Correcting a physical impairment isnt being ableist. I think the author is really reaching here. She just wanted to have Karma with a metal leg bc it looked good with her pink cotton candy gown she wore at the last Gala and she’s covering it up with some nonsense virtue signaling. Forge must feel similarly, but having mechanical bits actually makes sense for his powers. Of course he’d want to make improvements and modifications just because he can. Like Don said, don’t make no sense for Karma.

There are people, entire groups actually, that have existed in the in the Deaf and Blind communities(as well as other 'disabled' groups) for a long time that are completely opposed to things like the Cochlear Implant and other such devices and procedures. They view being Deaf or Blind as analogous to being Gay or Black etc. They have their own communities and cultures and they view anything that could 'treat' or 'cure' as an attack on their community and culture, even a threat to their very existence.
...ah @&$&.
:coolsmiley:

Also, how long do we figure before Rogue is screwing someone else?  I would bet she waits until the funeral at least.
One thing is for certain, she can't have sex on his grave as that would be Scott/Emma brand infringement. GraveSex > KarmaLeg.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on July 02, 2022, 11:06:56 AM
There are people, entire groups actually, that have existed in the in the Deaf and Blind communities(as well as other 'disabled' groups) for a long time that are completely opposed to things like the Cochlear Implant and other such devices and procedures. They view being Deaf or Blind as analogous to being Gay or Black etc. They have their own communities and cultures and they view anything that could 'treat' or 'cure' as an attack on their community and culture, even a threat to their very existence.


Several of my family members have cognitive/intellectual differences. I don’t know if they’d want to be ‘cured’ either.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: anya on July 02, 2022, 04:00:16 PM
I’m gonna stand by my original statement, any of those guys ever break leg, arm, whatever, don’t get a cast, show what a good, non-ableist person you are…


Anyway…as far as, KoX…if it were almost any other writer, I’d the Death stuff was definitely foreshadowing something and the death persona was going to come in play. But, but with Howard, I don’t know, she’s just not very good at this stuff… You’d think editorial would step in, but they allowed some terrible stories tp get through, and I guess they thought the writers enthusiasm would pull it off? I don’t know how these things work.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: DonPriceTag on July 04, 2022, 09:57:18 AM

Several of my family members have cognitive/intellectual differences. I don’t know if they’d want to be ‘cured’ either.


I think there's a difference in being born one way and having pride in it and "my leg was cut off by an evil #-#&$ with knife fingers. I died and now I have to go out of my way to make sure when I come back, I'm still missing said appendage". I'm not mocking the sentiment, it's the writing. There were better ways than what they came up with because what they did felt more Stockholm syndrome.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: DonPriceTag on July 04, 2022, 10:03:00 AM
I’m gonna stand by my original statement, any of those guys ever break leg, arm, whatever, don’t get a cast, show what a good, non-ableist person you are…


Anyway…as far as, KoX…if it were almost any other writer, I’d the Death stuff was definitely foreshadowing something and the death persona was going to come in play. But, but with Howard, I don’t know, she’s just not very good at this stuff… You’d think editorial would step in, but they allowed some terrible stories tp get through, and I guess they thought the writers enthusiasm would pull it off? I don’t know how these things work.


You're 100% correct..the editors are supposed to be the gatekeepers but I fear the culture in Marvel, especially in the X-office is to let the creators create for the most part. Probably some interoffice political and social stuff mixed in there as well. It seems as if people either don't know what a less than stellar idea looks like or are too scared to call it out. Not saying all runs are perfect and without blemish but X-Men in the past 10-8 years has been more  miss than hit. They seemed to be on a very interesting track with Hickman but it stalled in 1st gear, left this on the side of the road and he bought a new car.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on July 04, 2022, 03:16:22 PM

You're 100% correct..the editors are supposed to be the gatekeepers but I fear the culture in Marvel, especially in the X-office is to let the creators create for the most part. Probably some interoffice political and social stuff mixed in there as well. It seems as if people either don't know what a less than stellar idea looks like or are too scared to call it out. Not saying all runs are perfect and without blemish but X-Men in the past 10-8 years has been more  miss than hit. They seemed to be on a very interesting track with Hickman but it stalled in 1st gear, left this on the side of the road and he bought a new car.


it's all a learning process. i suppose we should all try for grace when people make an effort, because it's not going to be right the first time. we are all on our first pancake. sometimes you gotta throw it out just to get started, and try again. i do think anya has a point about writers getting preachy and sanctimonious. no one likes to be lectured and you don't win people to your way of thinking by trying to shame them. same with calling writers out on their crap. do we all remember the dark days of calling Carey out about the rogneto disaster? yeah, dark times. people went OFF on him and it didn't make him change his mind, he just dug in his heels more.


new topic: will gambit come back absent of a personality as was rockslide, mordred and whatever the other guy was? (for some reason i think his name is 'gorgon' but that doesn't make sense bc isn't a gorgon a female figure of greek mythology? medusa is a gorgon, right?)


hoping the sassy shirtless and smirking gambit of the gala-outfit is the resurrected version. i don't need some boring whitewashed goodie two shoes gambit.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on July 05, 2022, 04:50:17 PM

"New casting calls for an ‘Untitled Marvel Studios Show’ might hint at Gambit & his adoptive parents making their debut in the MCU."

https://twitter.com/XMenUpdate/status/1544405288350015488?s=20&t=FtBClH3mswt9_v005iE0CA (https://twitter.com/XMenUpdate/status/1544405288350015488?s=20&t=FtBClH3mswt9_v005iE0CA)



Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: anya on July 06, 2022, 05:32:15 PM
The Reddit spoiler thread says this is for Echo, who was part of Kingpins ‘crime family’, but left. So another crime family being involved could work. So Echo maybe using the assassins guild? (The character sounds like Julien.)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: purplevit on July 07, 2022, 03:26:18 AM
"New casting calls for an ‘Untitled Marvel Studios Show’ might hint at Gambit & his adoptive parents making their debut in the MCU."

https://twitter.com/XMenUpdate/status/1544405288350015488?s=20&t=FtBClH3mswt9_v005iE0CA (https://twitter.com/XMenUpdate/status/1544405288350015488?s=20&t=FtBClH3mswt9_v005iE0CA)

It sounds like Julian and Boudreaux family. Interesting that you won't find Mrs. Boudreaux as boss in comics, but she was a leader of assassins in Tatum`s Gambit script.
I can see the Assassins Guild to be introduced in ECHO as a teaser for Gambit and his later introduction. We will have Kingpin, Daredevil and Jessica Jones in ECHO already.

Also X-Men 12 tells that Stasis is original Essex.
So baby Gambit before he was turned into a beautiful mutant?


(https://readcomicsonline.ru/uploads/manga/xmen-2021/chapters/12/06.jpg)




Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on July 07, 2022, 07:38:38 AM
Also X-Men 12 tells that Stasis is original Essex.
So baby Gambit before he was turned into a beautiful mutant?


I gasped when I saw the reveal. BABY ADAM!!!


I'd assumed from Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix that Adam died of a congenital defect. But maybe he was a mutant and his mutation killed him?

Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: purplevit on July 07, 2022, 08:30:29 AM

I gasped when I saw the reveal. BABY ADAM!!!


I'd assumed from Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix that Adam died of a congenital defect. But maybe he was a mutant and his mutation killed him?

Or maybe child was dying as human. Essex wanted him to be alive and turned into mutant. Mutant baby became very beautiful and not broken.

Original Essex tried experiment on himself first and created Diamond Sinister. Experiment succeeded so he made the same experiment on dead or dying son. But son was stollen by Guilds and raised to become Gambit. Or maybe clubs and diamond Sinisters are both results of the experinment.

Adam Essex is my head canon Gambit. Will see next week.

If Gambit will join new X-Men team at Gala then maybe Duggan really has some Gambit/Sinister plans. If not, then Remy is doomed for eternity with Howard.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on July 07, 2022, 08:58:51 AM
Or maybe child was dying as human. Essex wanted him to be alive and turned into mutant. Mutant baby became very beautiful and not broken.

Original Essex tried experiment on himself first and created Diamond Sinister. Experiment succeeded so he made the same experiment on dead or dying son. But son was stollen by Guilds and raised to become Gambit. Or maybe clubs and diamond Sinisters are both results of the experinment.

Adam Essex is my head canon Gambit. Will see next week.

If Gambit will join new X-Men team at Gala then maybe Duggan really has some Gambit/Sinister plans. If not, then Remy is doomed for eternity with Howard.


Learning that the casting was for Echo and not a Gambit Disney+ series followed by the fact Howard is allowed to continue writing at Marvel was the one-two punch I didn't need when I was already down.


It's bad enough she thoroughly trashed his character and then killed him off as she's concluding KoX at #5. She says after the book's conclusion it's a "massive pivot."  I do not anticipate she is changing her writing style after 30 issues of the same old same old, when it is her conviction that people are "loving the book." (<-this is from her Substack).


She is taking Betsy with her wherever she goes, which I hope is far far away from Gambit, or any other character really. Just give her Betsy with Betsy clones and Betsy Duck to talk to. I feel bad for Rachel. Why am I thinking the "pivot" is just going to be another relaunch of Excalibur with Howard at the helm?


It's sad when I squint to see threads connecting Sinister to Gambit, when I DON'T REALLY want them to be biologically related, but just want Gambit rescued from Howard and am hoping even Duggan will take him.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: purplevit on July 07, 2022, 09:04:20 AM
It was just my theory about Gambit and Sinister.
I usually completely wrong with predictions so it is nothing to worry about;)


At least we have Claremont's Gambit mini. I hope it is good.


It seems Marvel will bring big announcements for next  years projects for SDCC or D23 this year.
If it is really Julian and Assassins in Echo then we may have some Gambit news soon too.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: hairlesscat on July 07, 2022, 09:22:53 AM

Learning that the casting was for Echo and not a Gambit Disney+ series followed by the fact Howard is allowed to continue writing at Marvel was the one-two punch I didn't need when I was already down.

Hey, don't lose hope, Nico! If anything, this casting call gives me hope for Gambit's future in the MCU. Sure it sounds like Julien Boudreaux and his parents, but that just means they are taking the time to develop Gambit's milieu before they even introduce him. If there is an Assassins' Guild, there has to be a Thieves' Guild. And they aren't going to give us the Thieves' Guild without Gambit. I know you were concerned that Gambit might not be a thief in the MCU. But I think this shows there is a good chance he will be. And judging by Julien's age, we may get to see Gambit's banishment from the Guild. Turn that frown upside-down!!!




... Have I convinced you yet? LOL!
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on July 07, 2022, 02:53:05 PM
Hey, don't lose hope, Nico! If anything, this casting call gives me hope for Gambit's future in the MCU. Sure it sounds like Julien Boudreaux and his parents, but that just means they are taking the time to develop Gambit's milieu before they even introduce him. If there is an Assassins' Guild, there has to be a Thieves' Guild. And they aren't going to give us the Thieves' Guild without Gambit. I know you were concerned that Gambit might not be a thief in the MCU. But I think this shows there is a good chance he will be. And judging by Julien's age, we may get to see Gambit's banishment from the Guild. Turn that frown upside-down!!!




... Have I convinced you yet? LOL!




(https://media.giphy.com/media/JWCahAf61Z43e/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: wantutosigh on July 07, 2022, 11:13:56 PM
What the hell is Echo?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Zoks on July 08, 2022, 01:05:35 PM
So are we all secretly agreeing to pretend Gambit is not in the AXE preview? That outfit and what he's doing is so ridiculous for a minute I thought one of Sinister's Gambit clones from when he fought the Phoenix 5 somehow got outside.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: anya on July 08, 2022, 10:24:13 PM
What the hell is Echo?
Lol, she’s a daredevil character, who showed up in the Hawkeye Disney plus series. She worked for Kingpin, until she found out he had her father killed. She getting a Disney plus series now, because Fiege has been able to make D-list character movie stars and he’s getting drunk on his sense of power. He’s trying to make every no name character that passes his fancy famous, while ignoring proven commodities like, say the X-men.  ;D
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: wantutosigh on July 09, 2022, 01:59:16 AM
Lol, she’s a daredevil character, who showed up in the Hawkeye Disney plus series. She worked for Kingpin, until she found out he had her father killed. She getting a Disney plus series now, because Fiege has been able to make D-list character movie stars and he’s getting drunk on his sense of power. He’s trying to make every no name character that passes his fancy famous, while ignoring proven commodities like, say the X-men.  ;D


Thanks. That all sounds pretty accurate to how things have been going. I haven't watched a lot of the more recent Marvel stuff. I just can't. So some of the Boudreaux's are going to be in this show possibly? Damn, if the show is awful, it could definitely wind up hurting a possible Gambit show or their inclusion in a Gambit-centric story in the future. This stuff depresses me. :-\
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: purplevit on July 09, 2022, 04:49:10 AM
Gala leak confirms that Gambit is NOT on new Duggan's team.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on July 09, 2022, 10:56:39 AM
So are we all secretly agreeing to pretend Gambit is not in the AXE preview? That outfit and what he's doing is so ridiculous for a minute I thought one of Sinister's Gambit clones from when he fought the Phoenix 5 somehow got outside.


gambit wearing crazy clothing is part of his charm. 'yeah i am dressed in clownpants today, but you're still picturing me without clownpants or any pants at all.'



Thanks. That all sounds pretty accurate to how things have been going. I haven't watched a lot of the more recent Marvel stuff. I just can't. So some of the Boudreaux's are going to be in this show possibly? Damn, if the show is awful, it could definitely wind up hurting a possible Gambit show or their inclusion in a Gambit-centric story in the future. This stuff depresses me. :-\


i don't know the characters in most of the disney+ shows but i am still enjoying some of them and think they're done well. it's 50/50 for me.


wandavision was great. i enjoyed moonknight. i think ms. marvel is also quite good. for echo, anything with D'Onofrio as Kingpin in it will likely be awesome. daredevil greatly benefitted from having Kingpin in the show. if it does intro the Thieves Guild this way, then it could only be a good thing. now, as a caveat, from what i hear comic book Black Cat and Spiderman are using the thieves/assassins guild in their corner of the universe more than x-men have, which is really disappointing.


on the other hand, haven't watched any of hawkeye, i just do not like that renner guy. maybe someone can talk me into watching it. loki was too confusing for me, not to knock the show, this is on me. anything time-travel i just can't get my head around. and i thought the other one with with winter soldier wasn't enough to hold my interest, even tho some of it takes place in NOLA (i think?).

Gala leak confirms that Gambit is NOT on new Duggan's team.

 


i didn't expect him to show up there, but its officially ruled out now. i actually have no expectations for him to show up in any book aside from his solo. he dead.


think it'll be another 6-10 year hiatus for me after the Gambit/Stormy solo.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Nekobaghira on July 10, 2022, 05:40:34 PM
All of this is my view, not really thoughts to anyone in particular.

While I would want a show for Gambit, I would want Nicieza to be involved. He had stated in several interviews that a TV show would work best for him and I believe.

Wandavision, I know people liked it but the laugh track drove me away. I absolutely dislike that sort of thing. It ruined my re-watch of M.A.S.H. and a few other shows.

I tried Moon Knight and the whole multiple personality type thing like Legion (another show I quit early on), was not something I wanted to follow. I don't want to spend that kind of time figuring it out what is going on or who is actually in charge. For Legion and me, too much "Pink Floyd - the Wall".

I didn't watch Hawkeye either for no reason other lack of interest.
I have watch the superhero mix with Punisher, and gang. It was alright.

I think Disney+ can pull off some entertaining shows even if I pass on some of them. They certainly have the talent with showrunners to do so. It's which project they make to get an audience.


Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: anya on July 12, 2022, 01:03:20 AM
Hawkeye was kinda fun, though the whole set up was basically to establish Kate as the new Hawkeye and why Hawkeye was ready to ‘retire’. Which isn’t a terrible premise, except for the question of, ‘do super hero teams really need archers? When one retires, does he really need a replacement? Could the aveneagers possible save the world from alien invasion without an on staff archer?  ;D


The plot mostly involved, non-powered gangsters (who had no archers, surprisingly enough) and kingpin showed up (the most ‘exciting’ thing that happened, lol) Echo was one of his lieutenants, I suppose, and was she was fine (though her ‘right hand man’ and translator(she was deaf) looked a lot like a discount Jon Snow and that was kinda distracting…)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on July 12, 2022, 07:40:26 AM
Wait, Echo is deaf? But her codename…oh, never mind.


Lol, re: on staff archer.


Well, She-Hulk looks really fun and Tatiana Maslany was amazing in Orphan Black, can’t wait to see what she brings to the character. I am hopeful for some romance in the MCU. WandaVision was the closest we got (as far as I know). They can do rom/com for She-Hulk, save the steamy romance for when Gambit finally makes his debut.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Zoks on July 13, 2022, 04:24:47 PM
Gambit was mentioned in passing in the Gala today. Jean told Scott if he doesn't get reelected he can take Gambit's spot in the kitchen. That's probably why Gambit was around in X-Men. He wasn't tagging along with Rogue, he was the team's cook.  ;D
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Nekobaghira on July 13, 2022, 07:03:33 PM
Random thing (I will post in the thread looking for all stuff too.)
My hubby went to a convention and his co-worker knows my love of Gambit. Hubby knows my love of Gambit as well, I don't think he actively looks for stuff. I was pleasantly surprised with the gift.  :D
Anyway, this is new - 2021 product. I don't know if I will open it.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: anya on July 13, 2022, 09:01:22 PM

That looks cool
Gambit was mentioned in passing in the Gala today. Jean told Scott if he doesn't get reelected he can take Gambit's spot in the kitchen. That's probably why Gambit was around in X-Men. He wasn't tagging along with Rogue, he was the team's cook.  ;D
He also ran a mini casino in the basement, lol
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: DonPriceTag on July 14, 2022, 11:37:31 AM
Gambit was mentioned in passing in the Gala today. Jean told Scott if he doesn't get reelected he can take Gambit's spot in the kitchen. That's probably why Gambit was around in X-Men. He wasn't tagging along with Rogue, he was the team's cook.  ;D


Yeah... I didn't get that. We know Gambit does cook and he takes pride in that - but I think this was just another dig. They really cant stand that he has a fanbase and they just try their best to denigrate the character at any chance they get. It wasn't funny. I confused me. Glad I just skimmed this thing.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Zoks on July 14, 2022, 01:27:40 PM

Yeah... I didn't get that. We know Gambit does cook and he takes pride in that - but I think this was just another dig. They really cant stand that he has a fanbase and they just try their best to denigrate the character at any chance they get. It wasn't funny. I confused me. Glad I just skimmed this thing.


I don't think it's a shot at Gambit. He's clearly supporting  the official elected team while not being elected. So how is it justified? He's part of the staff. It's a brilliant cover story too because officially they live in that tree because it's not public knowledge that tree has a direct access point to Krakoa, so you need to make it appear that the team is actually living there. Which means you need somebody buying food or nobody will believe they are actually living there and questions will be asked. Then you got Gambit running his card games in the basement providing another cover for the team. Anybody still suspicious (like the government) will see this shady behavior and conclude the mutants aren't as sparkly clean as they are pretending to be but the card games aren't serious enough for a bust. He's basically disguising their base as somewhere they are actually living in.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on July 14, 2022, 02:58:11 PM
Yeah Duggan had mentioned in an interview that Gambit was hanging out in the Treehouse kitchen, cooking meals for the team. Remy’s a doll that way. The few times he’s in Excalibur not being an idiot he’s feeding people, hosting family dinner, making eggs, giving away food. I love that about him.


Death of Gambit previews:
https://www.comicsxf.com/2022/07/14/morn-the-death-of-gambit-in-our-exclusive-preview-of-knights-of-x-4/ (https://www.comicsxf.com/2022/07/14/morn-the-death-of-gambit-in-our-exclusive-preview-of-knights-of-x-4/)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Zoks on July 14, 2022, 04:46:19 PM
To be fair Gambit would find everything that everybody else cooks to be bland, except for maybe Rogue who probably never learned how to cook.  ;D
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on July 14, 2022, 07:05:56 PM
To be fair Gambit would find everything that everybody else cooks to be bland, except for maybe Rogue who probably never learned how to cook.  ;D


the real reason he threw her pie at bishop is because he didn't want to be forced to eat it.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: cajunpirate on July 15, 2022, 10:02:29 AM
X-Men THEN: Cool mansion with secrets underneath, two great teams, Blue & Gold, each led by respected leaders and made up of A-list characters.


X-Men NOW: Mutants living on a mutant-only island, which is actually a mutant itself, with multiple teams, one on Mars, one on a pirate ship, one in a world of Dungeon & Dragons, and a main team living in a tree, each filled with mediocre members. If a mutant dies, 5 mutants lay a big egg and bring them back.


 :idiot2:
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on July 17, 2022, 09:43:40 AM

I’m gonna make like Stevie Nicks in 1977 and drop Rumors.

https://bleedingcool.com/comics/chris-claremonts-new-marvel-comic-is-x-treme-x-men/ (https://bleedingcool.com/comics/chris-claremonts-new-marvel-comic-is-x-treme-x-men/)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: wantutosigh on July 18, 2022, 07:54:20 PM
https://youtu.be/4ReJymc18Zk (https://youtu.be/4ReJymc18Zk)


I tried to get through this whole 2-hour Chris Claremont interview but it was a chore and I had to stop because I wasn't getting anything. He blabs on and on about all his great ideas that were shut down or stolen and why so many other ideas aren't as genius as his. He comes off incredibly bitter and pretty unlikeable. Maybe just having one of those days. I don't know.


Oh, and even though Gambit is in the title it only comes up a couple times and only twice does he even talk about what's in the series but all he wants to do is talk about "Ro". Nothing about Remy. Doesn't exactly build my anticipation for the series.




Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Nekobaghira on July 18, 2022, 08:25:40 PM
Storm was always CC's favorite. Always.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on July 18, 2022, 08:52:45 PM
yeah… when i saw cc was doing a gambit series I was willing to give the benefit of the doubt.


when they said it was set in the past, I was okay about it. hey, at least no rogue.


when it co-stars Storm…well, why even have gambit on the title at this point.


Howard killing gambit off on top of that, my enthusiasm at an all time low.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: wantutosigh on July 19, 2022, 02:14:05 PM

when it co-stars Storm…well, why even have gambit on the title at this point.



Yeah that's what I was thinking. Marvel probably wanted a Gambit series and asked CC and he probably worked it out so it can be in the past so he can work Storm in there. Seeming like Gambit will be the sidekick in his own title. I wonder if "Ro" will be a better thief. Or perhaps she can save him a bunch of times. CC definitely made it seem like the story set up was more for "Ro" as he didn't even mention Gambit.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Zoks on July 19, 2022, 06:27:31 PM

Yeah that's what I was thinking. Marvel probably wanted a Gambit series and asked CC and he probably worked it out so it can be in the past so he can work Storm in there. Seeming like Gambit will be the sidekick in his own title. I wonder if "Ro" will be a better thief. Or perhaps she can save him a bunch of times. CC definitely made it seem like the story set up was more for "Ro" as he didn't even mention Gambit.


It's set in the past so I don't think we are going to get any Gambit development, as we already have a fairly good idea of who he was before the X-Men. Young Storm would be the more interesting character to write. Remy will still likely get the action scenes seeing how Ororo shouldn't have her full level of powers yet. The real question is why it's not called Gambit and Storm. Would've sold more copies that way.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Zoks on July 20, 2022, 02:27:24 AM
Well I read Knights of X 4.


They lost Gambit lol


Also lots of things happening off panel again.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: purplevit on July 20, 2022, 05:31:52 AM
Well I read Knights of X 4.


They lost Gambit lol


Also lots of things happening off panel again.

They lost Gambit corpse?
Not surprising, really.



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Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: purplevit on July 20, 2022, 05:42:27 AM
We know when Gambit mini takes place. It starts that Remy helps Strom to run from Shadow King who is stealing kids and will end with them finally breaking free from Shadow King.

I expect Gambit mini to be like Logan or Mandalorian. Main villain needs kid Storm (Baby Yoda, X-23) and Gambit will be protecting her (Mando, Logan.)
It is fine. Probably just a story how Gambit turns from complete scoundrel to more heroic scoundrel at the end.

Also these 2 pages already shows who is a better thief. And for me second page looks golden.
Mini will have a lot of Strom for sure but I have a good feeling about it.

Have a nice day everyone. Hope everyone is good and hoping that SDCC will bring some good news for you.



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Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on July 20, 2022, 08:30:17 AM
someone pointed out on another forum that maybe the lack of talk about gambit is bc CC doesn't want to spoil too much about the main character's story - same reason he was so happy to blather on about his original storyline for gambit back in the AIPT interview. it has nothing to do with what's going on in the mini, so he can talk ad nauseam about it.


the last panel on the page looks like remy is saying: how lucky it is i have this coat.


does the coloration on storm's eyes on the first panel make it look like she has tears welling up or is that just a strange choice on the colorist's part?


only one week away now!


if they lost his body i have to imagine it'll turn up as something/someone else entirely. roma better've picked it up and revived him. SHE CAN TOTALLY DO THAT as she's done it for NINE other mutants before.




Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Zoks on July 20, 2022, 08:46:15 AM
someone pointed out on another forum that maybe the lack of talk about gambit is bc CC doesn't want to spoil too much about the main character's story - same reason he was so happy to blather on about his original storyline for gambit back in the AIPT interview. it has nothing to do with what's going on in the mini, so he can talk ad nauseam about it.


the last panel on the page looks like remy is saying: how lucky it is i have this coat.


does the coloration on storm's eyes on the first panel make it look like she has tears welling up or is that just a strange choice on the colorist's part?


only one week away now!


if they lost his body i have to imagine it'll turn up as something/someone else entirely. roma better've picked it up and revived him. SHE CAN TOTALLY DO THAT as she's done it for NINE other mutants before.


I'll go into a little more detail about what happened.


So Jim opened a portal for them straight to Mercator. Well the Siege Perilous somehow merged with the entire area so basically everybody went through the SP, not just them shoving dead Gambit through. Well everybody worked out their illusions and fantasy worlds either on their own or when Rachel got them out, but Gambit is missing. Roma and Saturnyne end up riding Shogo and shows up at the last page with Merlyn hot on their tails, because at some point after fighting Gambit Merlyn went back home, grabbed some Goons, and then went directly after Roma and Saturnyne. So nobody knows where Gambit is. Maybe he'll show up next issue, maybe he'll get better off panel.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: wantutosigh on July 20, 2022, 09:06:12 AM
someone pointed out on another forum that maybe the lack of talk about gambit is bc CC doesn't want to spoil too much about the main character's story - same reason he was so happy to blather on about his original storyline for gambit back in the AIPT interview. it has nothing to do with what's going on in the mini, so he can talk ad nauseam about it.

This was my hope as well. Even though CC hasn't quite been what he used to I hoped he is just too good of a writer to fall into the same trappings so many other modern writers have. "The old bait and switch". Hopefully he can't help it but do some good stuff with Gambit.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: DonPriceTag on July 20, 2022, 12:16:44 PM
... #!#$ you mean they "lost" Gambit?! What is this "Weekend in Otherworld"?!
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: remydat on July 20, 2022, 02:49:30 PM
From what I gathered from CC, the intent was for this to be more of a heist comedy.  So probably the classic older character reluctantly protecting a younger character while the younger character thinks they don't need protecting.  Hijinks and shenanigans ensues.


So probably should be expecting anything other than a fun time but I am sure Gambit will get his fair share of the spotlight and his development will be focused on going from a loner that probably doesn't want or think anyone should rely on him to someone that finds out he does have a good heart thru his relationship with lil Storm.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: remydat on July 20, 2022, 02:52:23 PM
As for Knights, Howard's writing is like if you gave a kid an adult vocabulary but they still wrote everything with a kid's superficial understanding of the world. There are good ideas and concepts here but Howard only ever explores them at the most basic and superficial level. I get that there is only so much dialogue in a comic but she has had these characters for enough issues overall to have hit on some of these ideas and concepts on a deeper level. Instead I am left feeling like I am reading Fisher-Price My First Comic Book Writing Workshop. As far as Gambit is concerned, she practically beat us over the head with the fact he is missing and he will be coming back.  No real suspense as didn't have time to notice he was gone as the characters went to great lengths to point it out.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Zoks on July 20, 2022, 03:34:43 PM
Rachel probably didn't call him to come to the meeting point like she did everybody else because he shut her ass down when she wanted to scrap the mission to go look for her crush. He's probably alive right now completely lost somewhere
We are supposed to fill in the gaps right? That's my take.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on July 20, 2022, 05:00:15 PM
Rachel probably didn't call him to come to the meeting point like she did everybody else because he shut her ass down when she wanted to scrap the mission to go look for her crush. He's probably alive right now completely lost somewhere
We are supposed to fill in the gaps right? That's my take.


Maybe he’s drowning in the Swamp of Sadness because he misses his cats so much. Gaw, it’s good he’s dead and missed the Sad Swamp bc I don’t want to see Howard’s take on what troubled thoughts lie in the dark pits of Gambit’s soul. It would be the derpiest derp that ever derped.


I think the only guarantee is that whatever happens to Gambit won’t be of any interest lest it detract from Betsy’s amazing saga. Good smokescreen—I mean, KISS though!
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Zoks on July 20, 2022, 05:17:08 PM

Maybe he’s drowning in the Swamp of Sadness because he misses his cats so much. Gaw, it’s good he’s dead and missed the Sad Swamp bc I don’t want to see Howard’s take on what troubled thoughts lie in the dark pits of Gambit’s soul. It would be the derpiest derp that ever derped.


I think the only guarantee is that whatever happens to Gambit won’t be of any interest lest it detract from Betsy’s amazing saga. Good smokescreen—I mean, KISS though!


Gambit's dark struggle would be having to cook for the team while all out of seasoning and aromatics. The only thing in the pantry would be boxes of instant Kraft macaroni and cheese.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on July 20, 2022, 05:30:06 PM

Gambit's dark struggle would be having to cook for the team while all out of seasoning and aromatics. The only thing in the pantry would be boxes of instant Kraft macaroni and cheese.


 ;D


I find this relatable. If I never eat Kraft dinner again it’ll be too soon.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: remydat on July 20, 2022, 07:57:38 PM

Gambit's dark struggle would be having to cook for the team while all out of seasoning and aromatics. The only thing in the pantry would be boxes of instant Kraft macaroni and cheese.


Too creative an idea for Howard to come up with.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: wantutosigh on July 21, 2022, 12:41:36 AM
So is anyone excited for the sneak peak we will get at comic con for X-Men97? Maybe a look at new animated Gambit? Perhaps a quick soundbite of Chris Potter? Anybody?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Sparta on July 21, 2022, 06:37:37 AM
So is anyone excited for the sneak peak we will get at comic con for X-Men97? Maybe a look at new animated Gambit? Perhaps a quick soundbite of Chris Potter? Anybody?


Yeah, I've been looking forward to it for a while. Though I don't expect they'll show too much at the con...which is fine. Even just a quick soundbite would be awesome.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Zoks on July 21, 2022, 03:32:41 PM
http://www.multiversitycomics.com/previews/gambit-vol-6-1/ (http://www.multiversitycomics.com/previews/gambit-vol-6-1/)

Preview pages up.  LOL that brick phone.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on July 21, 2022, 07:25:07 PM
Okay, Stormy is sooo cute. I am not usually a fan of cartoony comic art, but this works for me. There’s an element of squick about de-aging a female character,  but here the art really saves us from infantilization. She looks and acts like a kid. Aw, and she does have tears in her eyes. Remy seems uber chill and confident. Good, I hope this book is just as fun as the preview.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: cajunpirate on July 22, 2022, 08:56:56 AM
Just happy Gambit's not in that A.X.E. nonsense. I can avoid that money grab altogether now.


What if...Gambit's biological parents were a mutant and an external?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Zoks on July 22, 2022, 12:48:48 PM
You know if I thought the writers these days paid attention to any previous character interactions I would completely accept why Betsy and Rachel aren't concerned with Gambit's death. Betsy because he was considering killing her at one point and Rachel from that one incident when Gambit wanted her out of his way so he hyperfocused on that memory of the Blob naked.  ;D
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Zoks on July 22, 2022, 03:18:35 PM
Just happy Gambit's not in that A.X.E. nonsense. I can avoid that money grab altogether now.


What if...Gambit's biological parents were a mutant and an external?


Because of past interactions I suspect anything involving Gambit's origins is directly tied to Sinister. And with Sinister's recent developments he might be the Sinister of Hearts, which the original Sinister created as a way to cut off his useless sympathies and emotions. Which would technically make Gambit British. Which in turn would make him a potential Captain Britain, assuming Rachel convinces Betsy to leave Otherworld. Seeing how Gambit is missing in action right now in Mercator, they might leave without him and Roma decides to use him as her new champion. Howard will never let him go.


Yes this speculation terrifies me too and I hope I'm wrong on all of it lol.


Edit: if you guys were hoping that the new Xtreme X-Men team would save him, nope it's set in the past.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: remydat on July 24, 2022, 07:45:42 AM
You know if I thought the writers these days paid attention to any previous character interactions I would completely accept why Betsy and Rachel aren't concerned with Gambit's death. Betsy because he was considering killing her at one point and Rachel from that one incident when Gambit wanted her out of his way so he hyperfocused on that memory of the Blob naked.  ;D


Don't think Betsy every found out about that.  And Gambit wasn't considering killing her so much as he was considering letting her die from her injuries at the hands of Sabretooth.  In the end though, he ended up calling Beast and Xavier when she started to flatline so as far as anyone would be aware, he helped save her.



Edit: if you guys were hoping that the new Xtreme X-Men team would save him, nope it's set in the past.


Best we could probably hope for as Claremont won't have to deal with any of the baggage from the crap Gambit storylines since X-treme.  Bishop, Gambit and Sage back together is a plus.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Nekobaghira on July 24, 2022, 09:41:30 AM

Don't think Betsy every found out about that.  And Gambit wasn't considering killing her so much as he was considering letting her die from her injuries at the hands of Sabretooth.  In the end though, he ended up calling Beast and Xavier when she started to flatline so as far as anyone would be aware, he helped save her.



Best we could probably hope for as Claremont won't have to deal with any of the baggage from the crap Gambit storylines since X-treme.  Bishop, Gambit and Sage back together is a plus.

CC always had a thing for that trio and I'm okay with it.  :D
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: cajunpirate on July 25, 2022, 10:49:13 AM
Mondo Gambit
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Sparta on July 26, 2022, 06:29:21 AM
I wonder when the X-Treme X-Men mini takes place, I know it's in the past but if I recall, for a majority of that series Gambit was powerless.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: DonPriceTag on July 26, 2022, 09:32:37 AM

Don't think Betsy every found out about that.  And Gambit wasn't considering killing her so much as he was considering letting her die from her injuries at the hands of Sabretooth.  In the end though, he ended up calling Beast and Xavier when she started to flatline so as far as anyone would be aware, he helped save her.



Best we could probably hope for as Claremont won't have to deal with any of the baggage from the crap Gambit storylines since X-treme.  Bishop, Gambit and Sage back together is a plus.


Maybe I'm mistaken but didn't he admit that during his trial (UXM #350)? I don't think he went into specifics but I think he said it he considered killing her out loud.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Zoks on July 27, 2022, 01:19:23 AM
Hurray midnight digital releases!


Spoilers for Gambit #1 ahoy!


Well if you were hoping for a Gambit focused issue as title suggests you would be very disappointed, as this is clearly all about little Storm and her struggles. But it's still a good issue, as we get to see Gambit mentor Storm in a manner much different to his treatment of Laura in X-23. Whereas Laura was fully grown into her powers and well aware of her capabilities and limitations, young Storm clearly is not. Gambit is willing to let Storm take chances and fights she has no business picking to grow, while at the same time knocking her down (literally) to remind her she is still a young teenager in a very dangerous world, and if she wants to live in this world you learn quick or you won't survive. It's a good issue to get us back in that 90s mindset with the mutants dealing with the kind of problems they had then, rather than war with whichever faction doesn't like them like today. Looks like next issue we'll get to some real Gambit action. This issue was mostly establishing mentor- mentee relationship.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: purplevit on July 27, 2022, 04:25:50 AM
So Gambit #1.

I loved it! It is written much better than I expected. I remember Claremont`s Nightcralwer solo and it wasn`t good. Some issues were not even kinda readable for me. But Gambit is a good book.
My favorite part was art in it. Art and colors are amazing. Book can be fun and scary at the same time.

I missed that Gambit that is completely in control of the situation. Gambit that is fun at one panel but becomes REALLY SCARY next one (telling about the panel when Strom is bagging to let her go). And remember the same situation between Gambit and Jubs.

The only bad thing is that this issue felt like Gambit #0 more than #1. Only the last page showed us what adventure is coming for Remy. Or it could be called Storm and even make even more sense for this issue. I am sure that focus get changed to Gambit next issue but it felt strange for #1.

I agree that it felt like Liu`s X-23 a little bit with Strom as POV and Gambit mentoring her. The major difference is that in X-23 book Gambit was getting his ass kicked every time so Laura can save him. In Gambit #1 he is the one who is in control of situation and decides if game can go on or must be stopped.

As a result I would say that I loved it completely and can't wait for more even that book had more Strom in it than I needed. Gambit ddn`t fell as Gambit for too long. I just wish that #1 had 10 more pages to roll more Gambit focus or action.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: remydat on July 27, 2022, 01:01:39 PM
I saw this issue as being more about Gambit as mentor rather than Storm as mentee.  Gambit is the one controlling the action and preparing Storm for what's next in her life.  Not so much as a story of her growth but moreso a story about his ability to mentor Storm.  Aside from Shadow King which we knew the other guest stars in this know Gambit not Storm as does the likely guest stars next issue.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: killphil on July 30, 2022, 11:30:25 AM
I really appreciate Sid Kotian's attention to detail on Jim Lee's initial design of Gambit's uniform. The purple stripes being on his right leg only. The upside down "diamonds" on his knee pads looking more like chevrons. And the shape/size of his chest plate-it dips into a narrow "u" shape that extends well below his chest.


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Most of the artists post Jim Lee changed or missed those details entirely.


(https://i.imgur.com/YJpkt0k.jpg)


He really studied those first few issues Gambit appears in and it shows. Don't often see that level of diligence.
The only other artist I can think of that ever picked up on these sort of nuances was Lee Weeks in the 1st Gambit series from 1993.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: wantutosigh on July 30, 2022, 11:57:35 AM
Still waiting on Gambit #1 to be delivered to me! >:(
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Nekobaghira on July 30, 2022, 06:00:39 PM
I decided on digital via Amazon/Comixology that I read through Kindle. While I would like a physical hard copy, not in the mood to drive the LCS.  :D
The fact I've purchased a comic after quitting for so long ... is something.


And I enjoyed issue #1.


edit:IMO - CC may cater to Storm, but he gets (understands) Gambit more than KT or TH ever did.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: wantutosigh on August 06, 2022, 06:11:55 PM
Gambit #1 finally arrived and I read it. And umm... It's ok. At least Gambit resembles his older self where he's confident and in control of the situation. I didn't really understand the little girl gang scene. I mean I get the message/lesson for Storm but in general I thought it was odd. This was mostly about Storm's journey with little purpose for Gambit other than "mentor". A bit disappointing considering the title of the book. Hopefully that changes and Gambit winds up having a much meatier role in his own book. Not loving the artwork and "Ro" constantly looks like an angry Garbage Pail kid. Especially don't like the artwork on her. Hoping for not only good action sequences from Gambit but some solid character moments as well going forward.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Zoks on August 06, 2022, 08:22:46 PM
Claremont is using his characters he wrote in other series that nobody else used. I think the point here is a reminder that Gambit had connections to other people than just the Thieves Guild. But yeah if you see something like that I suggest googling the character or group because we aren't gonna know who they are unless you read like everything CC wrote in the past.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: wantutosigh on August 07, 2022, 10:03:56 PM
So only 4 of us have read Gambit #1? I would have thought there would be more posts after the release of the first issue. Maybe others don't have much to say about it?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on August 08, 2022, 07:48:33 AM
I’ve read it and well….what’s to say? I agree with your assessment: it’s ok.


I’m glad it’s getting favorable reviews on various comic sites. That’s a positive.


Claremont isn’t interested in writing, talking or promoting this book. His lack of enthusiasm is evident in this serviceable story. Likewise, I’m having a hard time caring. The art is okay. I don’t mind that Storm looks like a little gremlin.


I guess the rando appearance of the girl gang is to show is to establish Gambit’s various connections, and to show he’s going to let Storm fight her own battles while he casually chit-chats with high-ponytail lady.


Does not add to or detract from the characters or background story. It is a thing that exists.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Icefanatic on August 08, 2022, 09:13:11 AM
I thought it was good. What's the expression, nothing to write home about?

Gambit was in character, which was great but I expected that with CC writing him. I enjoyed watching him alternate between teaching, testing and protecting Storm. Each of those scenes highlighted his knowledge and capabilities. You can see how this Gambit would be a good fit at a school teaching young mutants and not just as a member of the X-Men.

Sabine and the Bacchae provide a nice parallel with Remy and Ro and decent minor foils for the first issue, with the threat of Bounty and the Shadow King looming for future issues.

It speaks volumes that I enjoyed this more than any of the X-Books I have read in awhile and it would have been a standard-type of issue for the 90's.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Nekobaghira on August 08, 2022, 09:58:01 PM
Compared to other books with Gambit in them, this one wasn't horrible. Was it fantastic, no but it wasn't awful.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Zoks on August 10, 2022, 12:11:55 PM
So if you aren't up to date on the latest event, a character looking suspiciously like Rachel popped up on a panel doing absolutely nothing other than serving as more confusion on what's going on with Knights of X. First we had Gambit on panel when he should have been dead in Eve of Judgement, and then we got Rachel here. Both were doing nothing other than occupying panel space. If that's all they are going to do just don't use them as characters in your events when their fates aren't even concluded in their current story. They already denied us Gambit and the other knights in the Hellfire event, why use them like this? Editors just don't work anymore, huh?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on August 10, 2022, 07:46:17 PM
We’re looking at “best case” scenario: Gambit is revived by end of KOX, no harm no foul. The whole incident forgotten, no one mentions it ever again bc Betsy is just that much more interesting. TH ramps up for Excalibur 3.0. More of the same.


Worst case: still dead, gambit’s death becomes a plot point, and TH will still be at the helm of Excalibur 3.0 to irrefutably destroy this character.



Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Zoks on August 10, 2022, 08:29:43 PM
Well assuming Howard will get Gambit again (we've seen nothing suggesting otherwise) you can argue the opposite. Worst case scenario: Gambit comes back to do absolutely nothing (like Rogue), or show up to look ridiculous. Best case scenario: he's either still dead or revived as Death and now the new antagonist in Otherworld, and he does not need to be involved in this stupid event looking at useless as the rest of the X-Men. We can pretend in our minds that if Gambit was around he would team up with Shaw or Bishop to wreck a Hex or two.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on August 11, 2022, 07:49:23 AM
Yeah, unfortunately I think being ignored to do nothing is best case for so long as TH is writing. Rogue was on a flagship book doing nothing, getting to speak whole coherent sentences, flying planes, kissing Jean, wearing nice outfits, and came off none the worse for wear. Gambit is a joke in a 3rd tier book, dies due to his own incompetence fighting a D-list villain, and then the author goes on her blog to gloat about killing him off.


I don’t know what’s going on with the event. I thought the response was positive…? Are the x-men being made bad guys again? I just saw they were fighting giant monsters (again). Like, where is Godzilla when you need him, this is more his shtick.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Zoks on August 11, 2022, 08:40:18 AM
They are fighting giant Eternals and losing badly because apparently only Exodus has the fire power to take one out and he needs to sacrifice himself to take it out. Btw both of them revive before the end of the issue. The part everybody liked is they revived the Celestial in New York while trying to establish a personality in it that does what they want. That Celestial immediately orders the Eternals to stop attacking (right before they nearly destroy Krakoa) and then announces to the world all of you suck, so you get 24 hours to justify why I shouldn't just purge you all.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Nekobaghira on August 11, 2022, 12:52:25 PM

I don’t know what’s going on with the event. I thought the response was positive…? Are the x-men being made bad guys again? I just saw they were fighting giant monsters (again). Like, where is Godzilla when you need him, this is more his shtick.
No kidding, and let him go where-ever to the 'cleanse'. LMAO
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Nekobaghira on August 11, 2022, 09:49:00 PM
I went to my LCS to get a 'floppy' (paper copy) of Gambit #1. They didn't have it because it sold out in two hours on day of release. I would have had to been there at opening time to get one. The guy suggested I call and see if there is a copy that isn't pristine or wait second printing. (meaning bent on the spine and all that stuff.)


I see that as win as my shop is a 'medium' shop in sales.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on August 12, 2022, 09:33:46 AM
I went to my LCS to get a 'floppy' (paper copy) of Gambit #1. They didn't have it because it sold out in two hours on day of release. I would have had to been there at opening time to get one. The guy suggested I call and see if there is a copy that isn't pristine or wait second printing. (meaning bent on the spine and all that stuff.)


I see that as win as my shop is a 'medium' shop in sales.


sorry you didn't get your copy, but this warms the cockles.


i follow mr kotian's social posts and he kept reposting comic shops that had sold out of gambit. it was #20 on the sales chart last month. either ppl love the character, love claremont, can't get enough #1 edition copies, or a combo of all.


i was surprised it sold so well. considering marvel and the writers give zero respect to the character or his fans, i figured it'd be a flop. like they're tossing cc a bone and using an unknown artist too. i figured we were in the minority of comic fans. based on xtwitter, i figured there'd be a zaladane 30 issue story arc before we'd see gambit on a book again. i hope someone in the x-office gets the memo.

sid has this little pic of gambit as his avatar on insta. who is gambit smoochin?


Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Sparta on August 12, 2022, 01:12:33 PM
That looks like Lila Cheney to me.

Breaking the top 20 is a good result, considering the lack of promotion etc, much better than what I expected.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Zoks on August 12, 2022, 07:19:01 PM
Not being promoted is justified since the story doesn't matter. What isn't justified is how they marginalized CC and Gambit. He should get a book with characters like Gambit to do their own thing outside of Krakoa, if they want to keep him away from the main story. Perhaps a literal Exiles book, with characters exiled from Krakoa.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on August 16, 2022, 06:30:36 PM
https://www.cbr.com/x-men-gambit-chris-clarelmont-interview/ (https://www.cbr.com/x-men-gambit-chris-clarelmont-interview/)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Zoks on August 17, 2022, 10:38:20 AM
I like the idea of Gambit screwing up when trying to save Storm. He should be new to this hero business so he won't know how to properly secure her, much like how Spiderman killed Gwen Stacy.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on August 17, 2022, 08:51:14 PM
I like the idea of Gambit screwing up when trying to save Storm. He should be new to this hero business so he won't know how to properly secure her, much like how Spiderman killed Gwen Stacy.


He’s probably not used to using his powers to save people. Plus, throwing a card underwater must be hella hard. I love the cards floating out of his pocket. The interior art is really good but the cover artist — no, not for me. The variants are amazing. Too bad I just get digital copies and won’t ever see them.


So is the woman jumping in to save Ro the ‘hero mom’ Cc is talking about in the interview? Bounty?  ;D (I’m sorry, that name is hilarious. Is she the Quicker Picker Upper of bounty hunters?).


I like that CC put some thought into the cultural and scenic backdrop of the south. It’s a great setting.



admin edit: formatting issues.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on August 18, 2022, 12:08:02 PM
they made this just for Neko I think.
(https://i0.wp.com/aiptcomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/XTREME2022001_Zullo_Var.jpg?fit=5464%2C3680)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Nekobaghira on August 18, 2022, 02:59:20 PM
they made this just for Neko I think.
(https://i0.wp.com/aiptcomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/XTREME2022001_Zullo_Var.jpg?fit=5464%2C3680)
agreed, how did they find out! LOL
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: wantutosigh on August 18, 2022, 03:10:05 PM
they made this just for Neko I think.
(https://i0.wp.com/aiptcomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/XTREME2022001_Zullo_Var.jpg?fit=5464%2C3680)


Haha! That's great.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: anya on August 20, 2022, 09:14:30 PM
Lol, that is cute.


Dauterman made one of the costume covers for gambit. I think it’s going to be a variant for gambit 5?


(https://i.redd.it/ypb9ohlce3i91.jpg)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Nekobaghira on August 22, 2022, 12:09:30 PM
Re:Dauterman Image.




Nobody can rock purple or pink like Gambit. I love the black/brown combo and the Shi'ar stuff.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Zoks on August 31, 2022, 01:59:01 AM
So two different Gambits today. Claremont's take was much better. Howard's wasn't that bad, seeing how Gambit was clearly not in his right mind what with dying and freaking out about resurrecting wrong (it looked like Gambit even while dead was struggling to hold on to his identity by remembering his love for Rogue). Also loved Deathbit with yet another set of powers. The tradition continues!
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: remydat on August 31, 2022, 09:04:34 AM
Could have been worse is the best you can say about Gambit's return. The only part I really liked was the guest appearance of someone from his Horseman days.Otherwise Gambit is becoming a bit if a Damsel in distress always needing others to affirm his worth. This would have been better as a 2 or 3 issue arc where you could hsce explored his history with Betsy more and had a bit more of a real struggle rather than it all being wrapped up in a few panels.


On another note, the Gambit solo was a decent read. Nothing groundbreaking their but a fun and charming Remy is a good Remy





Admin edit: formatting.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Sparta on August 31, 2022, 10:46:31 AM
I looked at those KoX pages. I felt relieved more than anything.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Zoks on August 31, 2022, 10:57:42 AM
If we look at it optimistically Gambit was the only mutant that could have died and allowed for Betsy and Rachel to work out a way to resurrect Mutants in Otherworld. He had the backups in his Death persona and his Tarot magic, the knowledge to make a hall similar to Captain Britain's so Rachel can figure out how to skim through the timelines to find him, and the willpower to resist any changes the Siege Perilous would have dropped on him. All the Siege Perilous and the Death card did was bring out the worst of him, but at least that is still part of who he is.  Btw if Howard keeps him I wonder if she will power him up? His most recent Death powers were just his own powers during his Fabian Gambit solo before he started to charge his own teammates.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on August 31, 2022, 12:48:16 PM
Anything that happens in KoX will be done in service to Betsy’s story. I hope her being in her own Captain Britain solo will mean Gambit is freed from TH’s writing. Generally solos mean other characters arent dragged along for the ride, right? God, I hope it’s not like Legacy with the return of Racky. TH can have a Betsy book full of Brit Corp Betsys with no other characters to have to bother with, her dream come true. Please don’t have Gambit follow her.



Where could Remy end up? I wouldn’t have minded him staying in Otherworld, just as long as he gets a new writer. Pretty sure Sunfire will be visiting OW soon, now that the gate is open. Where’s Polaris, she’s not busy. Let’s have a Horsemen reunion.


I enjoyed Gambit #2, but the art was a bit of a struggle. I liked it a lot more than #1 story wise. Hey, we continue the 90s theme with a Training Montage (‘You're the Best’ plays in the background)! Gambit is wet and shirtless! There’s kissing!
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Zoks on August 31, 2022, 01:10:35 PM
I want Gambit to stay in Otherworld to establish a Thieves Guild there. Jim owes him a favor now, right?


Btw I suspect Howard will keep him, because I think she likes writing Romy stories.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: killphil on August 31, 2022, 06:28:31 PM
You guys catch that New Sun cameo?

(https://i.imgur.com/iJzmTKt.jpg) 


So two different Gambits today. Claremont's take was much better. Howard's wasn't that bad, seeing how Gambit was clearly not in his right mind what with dying and freaking out about resurrecting wrong (it looked like Gambit even while dead was struggling to hold on to his identity by remembering his love for Rogue). Also loved Deathbit with yet another set of powers. The tradition continues!

My take was that his powers were supposed to be the same as what was depicted in Limbo. Gambit saying that he wanted to change them with his gifts felt like a reference to whatever it was he did to Northstar and Dazzler   in that story from 12 years ago.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Nekobaghira on August 31, 2022, 07:08:58 PM
I really dislike the male superhero underpants on the outside. No One Wants To See That. LOL



edit: they're tightie whities to boot with colors. C'mon -  boxers baby, boxers.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on August 31, 2022, 07:39:52 PM
I really dislike the male superhero underpants on the outside. No One Wants To See That. LOL


word. new son was raised in a bubble and fed via one of those gravity-fed hamster feeders, so can he really help it that he looks like he dressed in a dark closet of rejected superhero gear?


i do love Quinn’s art and the little details he snuck into gambit’s house of cards. it’s like you see something else every time!


i do hope cap Brit goes off into the multiverse or whatever and leaves Otherworld to more interesting characters. shiro/remy teamup to take down mad Jim would be perfection. we nearly had a horsemen reunion in XFactor, c’mon make it happen. I know BOA was bad, but the part where horsemen shiro and remy are rolling around in the snow having a slap fight and arguing like children right before sinister shows up actually makes me laugh. also there’s that data page in KoX where apocalypse talks about Death being the son that would kill him, then having Deathbit show up again, makes me super passionate about seeing gambit stab that big blue jerk right in the throat. so satisfying. we’d need a different writer tho if anything interesting is to happen.


magik is doing a magic school, maybe Ric can join her. I thought there were other magical proceedings afoot too, maybe in Immortal? (I got bored of that title and dropped it so I dunno.)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: purplevit on September 01, 2022, 03:41:42 AM
I really liked Gambit 2.
Story is fun and good written. Art is very beautiful.
Action scenes were cool. Gambit hitting a grenade with a bat and card flip both were awesome.
Glad to see Remy having a good time.
Really liked Marissa. She came to story naturally and is a very likable character. I already care about her much more than about Joelle.

I hope Gambit will stay away from Howard and otherworld as far as possible and will have a big and good role in Sinister Sins crossover in 2023.

Have a nice day, everyone.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Zoks on September 01, 2022, 07:25:52 PM
Hey now it could be worse. Whoever is writing X-force could get Gambit. Have you seen what they done to Sage?  We would be begging for Howard again.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Nekobaghira on September 01, 2022, 11:04:44 PM
Hey now it could be worse. Whoever is writing X-force could get Gambit. Have you seen what they done to Sage?  We would be begging for Howard again.
*chortle* ahhhh, NO to Howard ... Forever. LOL
But I love the optimism.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: wantutosigh on September 06, 2022, 01:10:28 PM
https://screenrant.com/best-jim-lee-created-comic-book-characters/ (https://screenrant.com/best-jim-lee-created-comic-book-characters/)

Best characters created by Jim Lee.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: DonPriceTag on September 07, 2022, 02:50:36 PM
So I just finally skimmed through KoX 4 and 5 to see what you all were talking about... the $#%# was horrible. Flat out, bad. All around. Not just Gambit. But I'd expect nothing else from someone that obviously got most of her story from wikis and whatever D&D manual she's reading. Ok, they're together - why the @#@$ are Betsy and Rachel holding hands the whole time? They're just insta-in-deep-love now? Like effing teenagers? Is that really the time to start making out? Was no one concerned that they just watched their friend DIE, and then immediately lost his body? "Same old bastard", "I'm not going to go easy on you Remy" who is Betsy talking to/ about? Why the #@$@ were all the X-Men just sitting around afterward?! The mutha$@$@ died and they spent more time focused on an out-of-nowhere relationship than giving any real introspective - they literally just told us about it. And where the @#@$ did Santo (Rockslide/Wrongslide) come from? Pretty sure it wasn't him and was some sort of apparition made by the multi-verse hall place - but that was random as @#@$. It's like these writers don't actually know how to write or develop characters outside of their main focus and even then it barely makes any bloody sense.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: DonPriceTag on September 07, 2022, 02:58:12 PM
Hey now it could be worse. Whoever is writing X-force could get Gambit. Have you seen what they done to Sage?  We would be begging for Howard again.


Based on premise and cast - Gambit should have been on Hellions, or even Fallen Angels before that. Based solely on function- he should have been a recurring character in either Marauders or X-Corp or both (like Shaw). X-Force could have worked based on his being one of the most covert characters in the franchise - but they've softened him up so much over the years - he's barely a shadow of his old self. Probably trip over something and initiate a trap and then Quire would call him an idiot, despite originally idolizing him. I believe he called Gambit cool.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: wantutosigh on September 07, 2022, 09:37:31 PM
Finally got Gambit #2. I like it a lot more than #1. Better story, artwork, and action. We'll see where it goes. Who is narrating? I'd like to be in Gambit's head considering the title. I dig Gambit's demeanor and his confidence. Also, Remy wastes no time with the ladies. :gambit:
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on September 08, 2022, 08:13:17 AM
I sadly read KoX #5. I always think it’s not going to be as bad as everyone says it is. No. It’s worse. Betsy editorializes the entire plot, tells Rachel how to use her own powers, calls Gambit a b@st@rd and that she’s going to “get him home to his wife where he belongs.” But it’s coming from a bad@ss woman so that’s not condescending AND sexist at all. Interesting how she opens with Misogynist Merlyn who “hates all the women”, you know, for reasons. Lucky we have Betsy to show all the men who’s the BOSS. TH has written Betsy as a self-absorbed, self-satisfied, take no criticism, always proven right, invincible, know-it-all. And now she has a girlfriend!


Rockslide and Shiro’s appearances were completely random and seemingly irrelevant to the plot. With any other writer, I’d say it was foreshadowing. Maybe they were shoe-horned in there to set up another writer to take over Excalibur and bring these two on board.



Cleanse the pallet by re-reading Gambit 2.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: DonPriceTag on September 08, 2022, 09:27:31 AM
Aaaaaaannnd this is when I found out that my LCBS didn't give me my issue of Gambit #2 last time I visited...
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Zoks on September 08, 2022, 10:57:39 AM
I sadly read KoX #5. I always think it’s not going to be as bad as everyone says it is. No. It’s worse. Betsy editorializes the entire plot, tells Rachel how to use her own powers, calls Gambit a b@st@rd and that she’s going to “get him home to his wife where he belongs.” But it’s coming from a bad@ss woman so that’s not condescending AND sexist at all. Interesting how she opens with Misogynist Merlyn who “hates all the women”, you know, for reasons. Lucky we have Betsy to show all the men who’s the BOSS. TH has written Betsy as a self-absorbed, self-satisfied, take no criticism, always proven right, invincible, know-it-all. And now she has a girlfriend!


Rockslide and Shiro’s appearances were completely random and seemingly irrelevant to the plot. With any other writer, I’d say it was foreshadowing. Maybe they were shoe-horned in there to set up another writer to take over Excalibur and bring these two on board.



Cleanse the pallet by re-reading Gambit 2.


Santos and Shiro are there because the castle is Gambit's psyche. They aren't actually there.  Gambit being a "bastard" isn't sexist, because the term is gender neutral. Historically it's worse for males to be bastards because it usually meant no inheritance, and that didn't matter for women because they weren't getting s*** anyways regardless of their legitimacy. But yeah it's actually offensive because he's an adopted kid.


I'm not nitpicking about how Howard got to her ending since she didn't ruin the character, but yeah as many of us were saying it could have been worse. None of us were saying it was great unless you only care about Romy. I'm more interested in what he was doing as Death and seeing if he keeps any of that power up.  If we want him in other active books he'll need a power up because frankly Cyclops is more useful than him, and he's there to be the tactical leader.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on September 08, 2022, 02:58:42 PM



Aaaaaaannnd this is when I found out that my LCBS didn't give me my issue of Gambit #2 last time I visited...



(https://64.media.tumblr.com/5b8db13f3cbd2ccdedeeef4ea87b5ef8/tumblr_pvkpj2LeBj1y0qnx9o1_400.jpg)




Gambit being a "bastard" isn't sexist, because the term is gender neutral.



I wasn't referring to the term 'bastard.' If the author had written the hero of the story telling Rogue or Jean or Bei: "Go home to your husband" XTwitter would've burnt to the ground.  >:D


Santos and Shiro's appearances were seemingly random to me. They weren't literally there, they were both in Gambit's head. Does he spend a lot of time thinking about either one of these people? I don't recall any recent interactions that would have them loom so large in his psyche. Maybe they go to his poker games.


It'd be great if he grappled with this Death persona. Hope the next author does something with it. Fingers crossed for Sins of Sinister. But that's not until after CHRISTMAS!! Seven Swans a'Swimming for Sinister.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Zoks on September 08, 2022, 04:12:12 PM

I wasn't referring to the term 'bastard.' If the author had written the hero of the story telling Rogue or Jean or Bei: "Go home to your husband" XTwitter would've burnt to the ground.  >:D

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Oh my bad, yeah that was bad but nobody on twitter cares about Gambit.  If they do he'd be cancelled for some of the things he did in the 90s.

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Santos and Shiro's appearances were seemingly random to me. They weren't literally there, they were both in Gambit's head. Does he spend a lot of time thinking about either one of these people? I don't recall any recent interactions that would have them loom so large in his psyche. Maybe they go to his poker games.


It'd be great if he grappled with this Death persona. Hope the next author does something with it. Fingers crossed for Sins of Sinister. But that's not until after CHRISTMAS!! Seven Swans a'Swimming for Sinister. [/font]
The Santos thing was just how everybody feels about dying in Otherworld. Everybody knows he came back wrong, that Santos appearing was Gambit's fear of coming back wrong.  Gambit specifically knows this because there was a whole thing after Sword of X where they were worried about Betsy coming back wrong if she was dead.  Shiro? That was Howard mistake.  Remember when Shiro "burned away" Apocalypse's influence on him (Before they broke into the X-Mansion to try to snatch Polaris so she can join them as Horsemen but not working for Apocalypse).  It was a wrong callback to a bad era of Gambit writing. She thought Shiro stopped him from being Death, when it just removed the Apocalypse leanings he had.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Nekobaghira on September 09, 2022, 12:45:32 PM
For those that don't romy, not a selling point. LOL
Will agree calling Gambit a bastard was not needed storywise and to boost another character. Why is practically every Marvel character an (o) to Gambit. (rhetorical)-It's horrendous.

I not only don't care about TH's writing, she's guaranteed I'll never read anything she writes. Those who like her stuff, good on you. :)

I do hope Gambit keeps the power up but this is TH and editorial pulling strings.
I didn't bother with a 'floppy' for Gambit #2, digital for me. :)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on September 12, 2022, 08:46:52 AM
Sounds like someone got their Gambit question answered right off the bat!


https://aiptcomics.com/2022/09/12/x-men-monday-171-x-m-a-jordan-d-white/ (https://aiptcomics.com/2022/09/12/x-men-monday-171-x-m-a-jordan-d-white/)


Noice! Congrats ‘Vit.  ;)



Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: purplevit on September 12, 2022, 12:45:18 PM
Sounds like someone got their Gambit question answered right off the bat!


https://aiptcomics.com/2022/09/12/x-men-monday-171-x-m-a-jordan-d-white/ (https://aiptcomics.com/2022/09/12/x-men-monday-171-x-m-a-jordan-d-white/)


Noice! Congrats ‘Vit.  ;)


Thanks, my friend:)
Hah, I saw a chance on twitter and decided to remind White with my question that Gambit sells good and fans need more solo stories. Top 20 for a twice delayed mini set in the past with unknown artist (Kotian`s art is awesome) is a very good result. Also it outsold knight of x and went to 2nd printing. I hope White, Cebulski and others will see problem and change it but don`t expect it, really.
White answer about Gambit`s roles in events sounded like excuses. Answer about Guilds is fine. Mostly only Gambit fans like them. Good writer can change this.


Thank you, everyone, for supporting Ukraine and thanks to your government for supporting with weapons. Armed Forces of Ukraine started a huge and successful counteroffensive operation in recent days and saved a lot of our people and territory from occupation.
Ukrainians will always remember your support.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: red joseph on September 13, 2022, 04:19:00 AM
Agreed, his answer around events makes no sense. The random array of characters they can squeeze into events and Gambit can’t be featured, when’s the last time he had any sort of role, messiah complex 15 years ago?


Nice they push him for solo books, but I want him in x men books with half decent roles how I originally started to read him with.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: DonPriceTag on September 13, 2022, 02:44:01 PM

Sounds like someone got their Gambit question answered right off the bat!


https://aiptcomics.com/2022/09/12/x-men-monday-171-x-m-a-jordan-d-white/ (https://aiptcomics.com/2022/09/12/x-men-monday-171-x-m-a-jordan-d-white/)


Noice! Congrats ‘Vit.  ;)

I don't like the idea of dodging his "thieves guild stuff". It bogs Gambit down, but it works as the center focus for Blackcat, Spider-Man, and the Scarlet Spider arcs? I think they don't like the idea of Gambit being more important than they think he should be in their rediculous X-Men 92' view of him. To these clowns, Gambit's just a kleptomaniac-klutz that happens to help sell comics when he's on the cover.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: remydat on September 16, 2022, 08:05:09 PM


The Santos thing was just how everybody feels about dying in Otherworld. Everybody knows he came back wrong, that Santos appearing was Gambit's fear of coming back wrong.  Gambit specifically knows this because there was a whole thing after Sword of X where they were worried about Betsy coming back wrong if she was dead.  Shiro? That was Howard mistake.  Remember when Shiro "burned away" Apocalypse's influence on him (Before they broke into the X-Mansion to try to snatch Polaris so she can join them as Horsemen but not working for Apocalypse).  It was a wrong callback to a bad era of Gambit writing. She thought Shiro stopped him from being Death, when it just removed the Apocalypse leanings he had.

Yeah the Wrongslide and Shiro appearances were the only things that made sense.  Wrongslide as a manifestation of Gambit's fear he would be changed when he came back and Shiro because he was there the last time Gambit went thru a transformation as Death.  Even if the reference was wrong, Shiro being there still made sense to me and was a nice call back to their time together as horseman.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Icefanatic on September 22, 2022, 03:20:53 PM
HOMAGE VARIANT COVER BY JIM RUGG  to X-TREME X-MEN #2 (OF 5)

(https://i.imgur.com/lkOTUoG.jpg)

Cool to see Gambit in Iceman's place.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on September 24, 2022, 08:32:56 AM
Lol I tried to post that cover but I have the hardest time figuring out how to post images on this site so I just gave up.


Gambit previews!
https://aiptcomics.com/2022/09/23/marvel-preview-gambit-3/ (https://aiptcomics.com/2022/09/23/marvel-preview-gambit-3/)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Nekobaghira on September 24, 2022, 09:29:27 AM
I find doing attachments easiest. I've tried copy and paste without some-what success - worked this time, I'll remove the attachment. But here it is ...

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Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Icefanatic on September 27, 2022, 02:37:43 PM
Lol I tried to post that cover but I have the hardest time figuring out how to post images on this site so I just gave up.
Assuming browser and device functionality...
Right-click an image and select 'copy image link'. Click on the 'insert image' button shown here (https://www.gambitguild.com/GGForum/Themes/default/images/bbc/img.gif) and paste the link into the popup. Click okay!


Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: purplevit on September 28, 2022, 08:21:48 AM
I liked Gambit 3.


My favorite part was how Remy just took a gun and shot Marissa into the chest instead of a long monologue about how his armor works. Claremont's explanation about colors and armors works great.


After years of bad writing, I was ready that Gambit would need to be saved or help from Marissa or Ro to defeat Warhawk. No, Claremont delivered. I loved that Gambit had his agility and h2h skills and kicked Warhawks` ass so that he could do nothing.
For me, this issue shows how Gambit 12 by Asmus should have been written. Remy should have defeated Tombstone in a fight alone.


So only 2 issues left and the last story in this mini. I hope it will be as good.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on September 28, 2022, 10:47:07 AM
A chatty Cajun and some action scenes - really doesn't take much to make a Gambit fan happy, does it? Thought it was a great mid-point story leading to the final event with Lila.

My favorite part was at the end was jealous Stormy sulking because of Gambit's 'fling' with Marissa. So cute. Storm is quite the little terror as a child.  ;D  The pre-teen voice is totally on point. "It's not fair!" "I will destroy you!" I think I hear both of these things on a weekly basis from my own kid.


After years of bad writing, I was ready that Gambit would need to be saved or help from Marissa or Ro to defeat Warhawk. No, Claremont delivered.

All the characters get a moment to shine and show what they're best at. I miss this kind of storytelling, especially when it comes to Gambit. He's usually the comic relief or is made to look an idiot so other characters can look awesome and capable in comparison. So, naturally I was worried Gambit would trip on his coat and fall flat on his face while someone called him stupid and saved him. But have no fear! Claremont is here! Thank you CC!!!
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: purplevit on September 28, 2022, 11:07:59 AM
Yeah, Gambit fans don't need a lot to be happy:)


Loved that kid Storm moment too. Gambit is fun here, but he is not a joke. Kid Storm is a great Robin for Gambit and she adds fun flavour to dynamic.


Yes. I loved that everyone had their time to shine. Even Warhawk wasnt a moron and figured out diversion and used the same trick on Remy. I liked that.

I am sold on Kotian art. It is very dynamic and alive.
In his interview, he told:
"The spirit of this series is buck wild and it’s just the beginning! I know Chris has so much more in store for Gambit but the reader’s will really have to support the mini and let the decision makers know they want more. I know I want more. I wish I was drawing more Gambit and Ro right now!

So I hope this mini will sell enough and we will have more Gambit minis or even ongoing. Would be cool not to wait 10 years to get a new solo.

ALso Deadpool 3 announced for 2024 with Jackmans Wolverine. I am in minoriti and it probably won`t happen but I really hope that Tatum as Gambit will have some role there. I think it is his only chance.

Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on September 28, 2022, 11:15:22 AM
In the Wham! Jitterbug themed follow-up to yesterday's DP announcement, who is pictured in the final photo standing with Reynolds? I don't know actors/celebrities very well.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Nekobaghira on September 28, 2022, 11:50:24 AM
But have no fear! Claremont is here! Thank you CC!!!
If anyone knows the Cajun best, its CC. He helped create him. Gambit needs to not be in the hands of people who don't get him. Or editors who don't care.
*happy dance*

edit: and CC isn't catering to any particular character, or so it seems, he's on his game.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: purplevit on September 28, 2022, 11:59:26 AM
In the Wham! Jitterbug themed follow-up to yesterday's DP announcement, who is pictured in the final photo standing with Reynolds? I don't know actors/celebrities very well.


It is Deadpool 3 director.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: purplevit on September 28, 2022, 12:00:49 PM
If anyone knows the Cajun best, its CC. He helped create him. Gambit needs to not be the hands of people who don't get him. Or editors who don't care.
*happy dance*

edit: and CC isn't catering to any particular character, or so it seems, he's on his game.


Yes. Gambit sounds really good and the accent is easy to read. It was a fun issue and ended small arc in a great way.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Sparta on September 29, 2022, 07:31:15 AM
I can actually see Tatum/Gambit in Deadpool 3. If it's based on the Multiverse.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: wantutosigh on September 29, 2022, 01:37:18 PM
I think a Deadpool movie is a poor first introduction of Gambit into the MCU. I honestly don't like anyone in a silly Deadpool movie. I think bringing Hugh back for it is a dumb idea and I think this multiverse crap is really muddying the waters.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: thjan on September 30, 2022, 08:31:34 AM
I think a Deadpool movie is a poor first introduction of Gambit into the MCU. I honestly don't like anyone in a silly Deadpool movie. I think bringing Hugh back for it is a dumb idea and I think this multiverse crap is really muddying the waters.


I am glad I am not the only one that feels that way.  I am really not liking all the multiverse stuff in the MCU, and bringing back actors from non-MCU movies.  I truly do love a lot of those older movies and a lot of the actors in them, but I don't want them forced into the MCU.  Spider-Man Far from Home and Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness were the first MCU movies I did not see in theaters, and after seeing them on Disney + I did not regret missing them in the cinemas.  Both their previous solo movies left me super excited about their next movie and where they could take things to expand on these characters and their mythos, but I lost pretty much all my interest once I started seeing news article after news article talking about them bringing back characters from the old movies.  The end results confirmed my apprehensions for me personally.  The Spider-Man film felt like a Sony film(and not only because of the old cast), especially with that terrible ending, and undid all the interesting new directions and relationships the two previous movies had built up.  And the Strange film wasted all its time with Scarlet Witch, America Chavez, and all the alternate reality characters when Doctor Strange has so, so many cool and interesting villains, allies, and storylines in the comics that the movie could have drawn on and explored.  So disappointing!  At least there is hope for the next movie with Clea introduced.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on October 02, 2022, 09:08:43 PM
Oh man, now I got to know 40+ movies, 20 different tv shows, AND now be responsible for having watched all the Fox and Sony movies too? This sucks, this is like trying to get into comic books for the first time all over again. I haven’t seen a Spider-Man movie since the first what’s his face did them (I don’t know actors names, sorry. Tony Macguire is want to say his name is, but that ought be a Tom Cruise movie I saw). Except for Into the Spiderverse, which is my favorite comic movie of all time. I don’t want to watch those XMen movies, I feel embarrassed when I watch them, like I have to apologize to my SO that they exist. I won’t be forgiven for having him take me to see Daredevil on our anniversary.


We watched League of Superpets for family movie night Friday and Lex Luther was fantasizing about what all superpowers he could get from being exposed to the orange kryptonite, and he’s like: “I could get laser eyes…or maybe I’ll throw playing cards really hard!”   ;D  There’s some other Marvel jokes peppered in but mostly it’s making fun of how serious Batman is. I didn’t hate it.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
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Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: killphil on October 07, 2022, 06:36:12 PM
Didn't we just get issue 3 last week? Not that I'm complaining or anything. This series has been great so far. Love that Gambit reads like his old self again. And loving the way the artist gets all the little details correct. From Gambit's costume details as originally designed by Jim Lee: purple stripes on right leg only, the shape of his knee pad "diamonds" being chevrons instead, and the 4 purple stripes on the sleeves underneath the jacket.

Plus I loved that we got an explanation to the functionality and color choices of his uniform. Also his backup uniform being the X-Treme X-Men outfit was such a cool easter egg. I wonder who is making all these artistic choices? Is it Claremont dictating what he wants to Kotian or is the artist doing it on his own? Love it either way.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on October 09, 2022, 11:20:40 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FeovTQJXwAE8AXt?format=jpg&name=large)


Rogue & Gambit comic coming March 2023! Stephanie Phillips - don’t know her, but am overjoyed TH is not involved.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: DonPriceTag on October 09, 2022, 12:13:55 PM
https://twitter.com/AIPTcomics/status/1579126918997475328?t=OhcwgZifbIReZi9DK51CoA&s=19


Yeah.. Steph Smash... Marvel is going to Marvel, so I'm apprehensive. From her writing experience this is probably going to be another Rogue-centric book. Harley Quinn, Wonder Woman and apparently a PhD. Good on her. Benefit of the doubt but the X-office has a thing for downplaying Gambit whether he's next Rogue or not. Cynical, yes. But they did this to me.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on October 09, 2022, 01:02:39 PM
Pretty much goes without saying that it’ll be Rogue-centric but I hope this means the end of Gambit as village idiot. Why would you have a smart powerful woman paired with a total moron? I am hopeful because she is a Parks and Rec fan, Leslie and Ben are my absolute favorite fictional couple. Sexy Smart Funny Romance, please!
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: andrei on October 09, 2022, 01:51:39 PM
the art seens like Vanilla to me...
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Nekobaghira on October 09, 2022, 03:13:02 PM
I just can't care. I'm so done with her over-shadowing Gambit. IMO.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: wantutosigh on October 09, 2022, 03:34:09 PM
Another lady who probably knows nothing about Gambit writing him. Another title where Rogue's name comes first. I also think that cover looks awful. Something weird about it.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on October 09, 2022, 04:03:14 PM
The proportions are wrong, they have tiny t-Rex arms. Luckily the cover artist is not the interior artist. Carlos Gomez, the interior art, is doing X-Terminators now, will do R&G. So expect big ol’ tiddies and thicc @sses. I’m sure the five-to-ten variants will be much nicer.


Not gonna judge it just bc the author is female and has an education. One, she’s a fan of G’s. TH was not. TH had an agenda to push, not a story to tell, and the characters were just there serving to soapbox her dissertation on gender identity in the workplace or whatever. Two, hoping having written Harley means she has a sense of humor. Three, as a teacher she should able to form coherent sentences, something that’s been lacking in Excalibur.




Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: thjan on October 09, 2022, 05:13:47 PM
Pretty much goes without saying that it’ll be Rogue-centric but I hope this means the end of Gambit as village idiot. Why would you have a smart powerful woman paired with a total moron? I am hopeful because she is a Parks and Rec fan, Leslie and Ben are my absolute favorite fictional couple. Sexy Smart Funny Romance, please!


Ah, nice!  I am a huge Parks and Rec fan and big Leslie and Ben fan too!(Leslie makes my top 10 favorite characters list).  I am super hopeful about this series, and I am always willing to give a writer I am unfamiliar with a shot.  I really hope she likes both Gambit and Rogue and that their interactions with Destiny(and hopefully Mystique) are fun!
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Nekobaghira on October 09, 2022, 06:50:00 PM
I don't care that the writer is female. And I never watched Parks and Rec. (I'm so over the comedy type TV show - sitcom.) On the other hand, it means some comedic timing which could be great. :) Worked for Asmus (he is a stand up comedian as well as writer.)


The only reason there is an issue of gender is so far ... Gambit has been screwed over by the 'fair' sex in the writing department.We're in the 20+ issue department of Gambit being nothing but a mop.

The Harley Quinn on resume probably helps some what. Being a teacher will probably help.

As long as there is no 'agenda' and stick to story telling, it might be worth it. If Rogue hogs the entire thing, I just won't buy it. I'll wait for those here to tell me. Otherwise, I'm out.

My apologies if I'm a Debbie Downer but I don't trust Marvel to do right by the main man. But for the rest here, here's hoping it doesn't stink or heavy handed in one direction or another. :)

Ohhh, on the plus side ... Gambit's isn't going to die. That was the worry with Excalibur or is it a AU?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on October 10, 2022, 08:31:26 AM
One female writer wrote G poorly. But TBF, she wrote ALL the characters poorly.


Honestly, the absolute relief I feel now that I know Gambit is free from Otherworld is palpable.


A character I am unfamiliar with, Manifold, is on the cover. Anyone wanna give me the low down on what this dude is all about? Has he ever interacted with G&R before?


If Destiny is involved, it might finally mean G&R play a more significant role in the current titles. I am so looking forward to a fresh take on the characters that isn't "But Remy, mah powers!" or "Gambit must fight for his place in the Guild - AGAIN!" bc that horse has been beaten, turned into glue, repasted onto another horse and beaten again.


G did die in Otherworld, went thru the Siege Perilous, and everything hand-waved away with the explanation of "It's Magic!" and all is well. Not an AU but easily ignorable.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Nekobaghira on October 10, 2022, 11:21:00 AM
One female writer wrote G poorly. But TBF, she wrote ALL the characters poorly.


Honestly, the absolute relief I feel now that I know Gambit is free from Otherworld is palpable.

...


G did die in Otherworld, went thru the Siege Perilous, and everything hand-waved away with the explanation of "It's Magic!" and all is well. Not an AU but easily ignorable.
I'm not debating you. We all have a different view, I literally stopped buying comic books because of KT's interpretation. TH just made things worse.

I get that some fans think KT did a good job. But all she did was write Rogue and Gambit was a prop. One of the villains was tailor made for Rogue. I don't care that KT wanted to get through their baggage. Apologies too late, not enough focus equally.

And no pass given for her complete animosity toward Asmus. Once that crap is out there, it is. Her apology wasn't good enough and again too late. (People still hate me over HS and there is no going back and that was in 2010 or something.)


There we go - You have to like Rogue for giving a pass on KT. TH - she's a different type of issue, all she cares about is her agenda, doesn't know a thing about Gambit.

I know everyone has their own pov on these things. All subjective as it were but for me TWO female writers were not good at handling Gambit. What a way to get me to dislike Rogue even more. Give her back to Morrison and Magneto so I don't have to deal with Rogue.





**Thanks for the update on Otherworld. Since I don't buy comic books and the only one I am buying is written by CC, hard to keep up. :) And I'll probably delete this post.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: wantutosigh on October 10, 2022, 12:45:45 PM
I'd be shocked if this "person" didn't just mostly focus on Rogue and actually did a good job with Remy's character. Shocked. You all know the way these things go now-a-days. And I like Rogue but if both of their names are in the title I want them both to have focus in the story. But we shall see.


And I'm sorry but "Gambit & Rogue rolls off the tongue way better then "Rogue & Gambit.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Nekobaghira on October 10, 2022, 12:57:43 PM
I'd be shocked if this "person" didn't just mostly focus on Rogue and actually did a good job with Remy's character. Shocked. You all know the way these things go now-a-days. And I like Rogue but if both of their names are in the title I want them both to have focus in the story. But we shall see.


And I'm sorry but "Gambit & Rogue rolls off the tongue way better then "Rogue & Gambit
.
Agreed with all of this, especially the stuff I put in bold.


TBH, Rogue needs to take the backseat for awhile. IMO
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: NicoPony on October 10, 2022, 01:49:28 PM
I’m pretty much over the comic-gatey attitude and language. I bid you all adieu.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Nekobaghira on October 10, 2022, 01:55:25 PM
Apologies to all if I've offended anyone enough to leave.


However, its things like this that makes me wonder.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: wantutosigh on October 10, 2022, 07:01:05 PM
Can't imagine why anyone would be offended Neko. Seems like a perfectly legitimate conversation we're all having. With some slightly differing viewpoints which is no big deal.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Nekobaghira on October 10, 2022, 11:55:50 PM
Can't imagine why anyone would be offended Neko. Seems like a perfectly legitimate conversation we're all having. With some slightly differing viewpoints which is no big deal.
Thanks. :)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: DonPriceTag on October 11, 2022, 02:47:51 PM
Not gonna judge it just bc the author is female and has an education.


I thought a Ph.D. was a good thing?  ???



A character I am unfamiliar with, Manifold, is on the cover. Anyone wanna give me the low down on what this dude is all about? Has he ever interacted with G&R before?




Manifold is a mutant that can fold space and open portals to anywhere in the known universe. He started out in Avengers during Hickman's run. He's Australian with ties to Gateway (like all Aussie do, apparently). He didn't interact much with the X-Men, much less with Gambit and Rogue, before SWORD, written by Al Ewing. He quit the "team" right before or after it became X-Men Red. Have no idea what he or Deathstrike will have to do with the pairing.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: DonPriceTag on October 11, 2022, 09:15:32 PM
Apologies to all if I've offended anyone enough to leave.


However, its things like this that makes me wonder.


It's not exactly making me sprint to the store to change my pull either. At this point it's just lackluster cover from a group of people that like to ridicule and maim anything that remotely reminds them of the 90s or could take attention from their overexposed insert characters.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: remydat on October 11, 2022, 10:27:05 PM
Ok, don't think it is fair to say Gambit will be written as a prop.  More likely he will be the damsel in distress that Rogue has to save.  It seems these days that Rogue and Gambit have done a bit of a gender role swap where the story is focused on Rogue and Gambit is just there to push her story along whether that means he needs saving, chastising or fridging.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: purplevit on October 12, 2022, 12:44:47 AM
Gambit 4 is amazing. That is it.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: remydat on October 12, 2022, 01:11:48 PM
Best Remy in years.  Classic Gambit where he sacrifices himself early to win in the end.  Almost as if a writer knows what a gambit is.


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Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: DonPriceTag on October 13, 2022, 03:03:27 PM
1st issue was meh to me, but these last 3 REALLY ride out. I'm digging it. Also the artist is having a lot of fun drawing Marissa.


Got some not great news. I hear the new Rogue & Gambit writer isn't the best superhero comic writer but her GRIM series is supposed to be really good... But it's not a superhero-thing.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: anya on October 13, 2022, 10:57:33 PM
On the plus side, the cover artist isn’t going to be the interior artist. The artist is Carlos Gomez, whose currently doing the X-terminators mini. So more ‘cartoon-y’ art, but better art…
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Sparta on October 14, 2022, 04:29:23 AM
Carlos Gomez is a really good artist for Rogue & Gambit. Especially if you're looking for sexy content.
I haven't had the chance to read the Gambit mini yet, we all know Claremont does him justice in any book. I might as well wait for #5 to come out so I can binge read it.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: purplevit on October 17, 2022, 04:38:59 AM
Carlos Gomez is a very good artist.
This mini is a half of year away.


Will wait for some interviews with writer to see her view. After TH interviews only about Apoc and Betsy we knew that Excalibur will be lame even before #1 arrived.

I think that this mini and main plot was teased in Duggan`s X-Men 9,10,12.


Destiny wants Rogue to join her and Mystique on Krakoa and leave X-Men (Rogue leaves team after #12) and Gambit.
Destiny tells that Remy is not worthy and that Rogue must leave him. Or something like that. Also Destiny told that soon Rogue will change and will see Krakoa and Gambit the way Destiny sees.
Rogue leaves X-Men to joim Destiny because only Rogue can save mutants from entering some portal and never return.




Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: purplevit on October 17, 2022, 06:45:40 AM
X-Men 9
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X-Men 12
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Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: wantutosigh on October 17, 2022, 03:18:18 PM
So I finally got my Gambit #3 issue. It's pretty good. It's so nice to see competent and formidable Gambit again. Question though, why does it seem like there is always a joke made about Gambit's uniform thrown into his solo or team-up outings? Gambit has one of the most enduring original character designs of all the X-Men. They've really never tried to revamp his look because it is so iconic and holds up over time as he is still mainly depicted in his original form. I guess I just don't see why they always put a joke in there. It's light hearted here though. And I did kind of enjoy the explanation of it's design and armor abilities.


Question two: I don't exactly understand the logic behind Gambit's cards having little effect on Warhawk but the bow staff was f---ing him up. Did Remy charge the staff? I just don't exactly follow that idea. But again, nice to see Gambit achieving his goal by getting to Momma and Ro' and seeing him kick ass and take names.


Still hate lil Stormy's depiction visually. And I still don't really understand why she's so aggressive about everything.
I like Marissa. It's a shame there are only two more issues of this left.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: DonPriceTag on October 17, 2022, 08:16:52 PM
Carlos Gomez is a very good artist.
This mini is a half of year away.


Will wait for some interviews with writer to see her view. After TH interviews only about Apoc and Betsy we knew that Excalibur will be lame even before #1 arrived.

I think that this mini and main plot was teased in Duggan`s X-Men 9,10,12.


Destiny wants Rogue to join her and Mystique on Krakoa and leave X-Men (Rogue leaves team after #12) and Gambit.
Destiny tells that Remy is not worthy and that Rogue must leave him. Or something like that. Also Destiny told that soon Rogue will change and will see Krakoa and Gambit the way Destiny sees.
Rogue leaves X-Men to joim Destiny because only Rogue can save mutants from entering some portal and never return.


May have to take this more literally. The mutants have literal portals they've been using. Chances are there may come a mission with little to zero success (not that it matters these days) rate and Rogue's reasoning may be what stops a suicide mission. But then again, this would be a great opportunity for Duggan to pair her with another insert character.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: remydat on October 18, 2022, 08:04:00 AM
So sounds like this mini will be about Destiny crapping on Gambit.  What a new and interesting dynamic to explore in their relationship. SMH!  Hopefully we can at least get a divorce out of this if that is the case.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: DonPriceTag on October 18, 2022, 12:48:37 PM
Really would like to ask the new writer "so, what's your favorite Gambit story" just to see if they're really bout it. Tired of writers claiming that they "love the character" but obviously don't know a thing about him outside of what they gathered from watching XTAS and maybe his minor appearances in the mainline of books... whatever that means anymore.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: wantutosigh on October 21, 2022, 07:04:33 PM
Gambit #4 came already. I liked it. Gambit doing Gambit things. I really wish there was someone else at there that could write Gambit this way in the mainline comics. That is all.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: Nekobaghira on October 31, 2022, 10:28:27 AM
Gambit #5 of the mini will be out on Nov 16th. Or so, comixology says.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: DonPriceTag on October 31, 2022, 06:04:44 PM
Gambit #5 of the mini will be out on Nov 16th. Or so, comixology says.


1st issue was a meh for me, but 2-4 were really, really good. I'm looking forward to it... Kinda dreading whats to come in 2023. I think a reshuffle is on the horizon, I don't trust those clowns in the X-office.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2022
Post by: cajunpirate on November 03, 2022, 12:42:43 PM
Gambit is featured in Captain Marvel #43. He's on the cover of the next issues as well. It's a Brood story.