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Re: Why is Gambit in Excalibur, again?
« Reply #75 on: October 20, 2020, 06:28:53 PM »
I may not have it in me to write a book - but I think I can whip up a treatment and set-up better than most. I'm expecting to see the books scrambled up a bit after this ridiculously long crossover. I came up with a concept I'd like explored through a revamp of Fallen Angels.


Fallen Angels vol. 3


Nightcrawler, Gambit, Frenzy, Husk, Hellion, Tempo


Think Burn Notice in terms of function. The team helps people while exploring a large arc(s). All mission are off-isle and assigned by a Krakoa council liaison, in this case it's Mystique. Magneto and Xavier hope to use this position to distract her. on behalf of a long list of requests from Krakoa citizens. Krakoans are safe to leave the island - but it's not recommended due to the hostile political climate. Kurt, being a council member himself, is pointman for the team. Mystique being the curator of their assignments - she chooses where the team's focus should be. Unbeknownst to them, many of the errands she sends them on are actually to help her achieve her own goals.


Frenzy is drafted but would have gladly volunteered. She just wants to get off the isle and mix it up. Tempo seeks redemption for a wasted past. She also wishes to reconnect with estranged family that she discovers has fallen in with anti-Krakoa extremist. Hellion has been stirring up trouble - mostly since Laura's disappearance into the vault. He blames the council for sending her. As a form of penance or probation he's placed on the squad to focus his emotions. He wants to be here the least but latches onto Gambit as a mentor, of sorts. Gambit uses the opportunity to look into his own affairs with the Guild.


There've been disturbances in his absence. Secretly, he's also been tapped by the Hell Fire Club to assist in exporting the Krakoan drugs within circles of the black market that even they cannot reach without starting an international incident. Mystique, of course, is aware and uses this as well. Husk, like Frenzy seeks adventure and also wants to do right by the Guthrie family name in Sam's extraterrestrial absence. She's the most trustworthy and upbeat of the group - but still morally flexible enough to allow the team to function.


At first, Nightcrawler will struggle to manage the group's dynamic. He unexpectedly finds himself leaning on Gambit, his brother-in-law, for help in this aspect. Out of all the team members he clashes with Frenzy most often. He's optimistic and easy going - she's stubborn and short-tempered. Perhaps they protest too much? The team tackles everything from missing family members, asset recovery, corporate espionage to investigating violence against mutants abroad.


What are your thoughts on my dream set up within the current climate?
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Re: Why is Gambit in Excalibur, again?
« Reply #76 on: October 24, 2020, 05:05:24 PM »
 I really like their dynamic here. Always happy to see Gambit as mentor and always glad to see more Gambit/Frenzy.Don't care about Hellion but mentor plot can be good.


Would change Hust and Tempo for any other characters.
Would be glad to change them to Onyxx that is probably the last one in line for ressurection.

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Re: Why is Gambit in Excalibur, again?
« Reply #77 on: October 24, 2020, 10:36:00 PM »
I really like their dynamic here. Always happy to see Gambit as mentor and always glad to see more Gambit/Frenzy.Don't care about Hellion but mentor plot can be good.


Would change Hust and Tempo for any other characters.
Would be glad to change them to Onyxx that is probably the last one in line for ressurection.


lol Onyx has too much past conflict with Mystique, who would be a big part of the story. Or did you forget his whole thing with Foxx?
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Re: Why is Gambit in Excalibur, again?
« Reply #78 on: October 25, 2020, 06:21:23 AM »

lol Onyx has too much past conflict with Mystique, who would be a big part of the story. Or did you forget his whole thing with Foxx?


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Re: Why is Gambit in Excalibur, again?
« Reply #79 on: November 04, 2020, 05:06:09 PM »
I have to say....X of Swords is about as exciting as watching paint dry. What the hell were they thinking?


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Re: Why is Gambit in Excalibur, again?
« Reply #80 on: November 05, 2020, 11:00:26 AM »
It's interesting purely from a world-building standpoint... but most of it doesnt make sense. Like at all. Not the conflict, not the character origins, not the way the Krakoans (X-Men) are reacting to impending doom - I'm not even sure what the motivations are. It seems that Akkara (?) and other "dark realms" are trying to dominate other worlds and for some reason they are being stopped by this Emma Frost- looking woman (Saturnyne) to battle in a Mortal Kombat-esk fighting tournament? I'm assuming they want to take over all of Earth's realm, not just Krakoa... which would cause a whole other issue with the rest of the universe, right? Marvel's Universe extends beyond just Earth. I think all the other beings would have a problem with this.


There's so much to sort through... like the idea that Apocalypse ruled an ancient Krakoa populated by thousands of ultra-powerful mutants - but we never heard of it? I'm just supposed to accept that? There's a lot of retconning going on and they aren't even bothering to explain most of it. I'm not reading that 40pg companion book just to understand the comic book series I've been reading for more than a year. Seriously - the @#@% were they thinking with all this?
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Re: Why is Gambit in Excalibur, again?
« Reply #81 on: November 05, 2020, 03:58:18 PM »
It's interesting purely from a world-building standpoint... but most of it doesnt make sense. Like at all. Not the conflict, not the character origins, not the way the Krakoans (X-Men) are reacting to impending doom - I'm not even sure what the motivations are. It seems that Akkara (?) and other "dark realms" are trying to dominate other worlds and for some reason they are being stopped by this Emma Frost- looking woman (Saturnyne) to battle in a Mortal Kombat-esk fighting tournament? I'm assuming they want to take over all of Earth's realm, not just Krakoa... which would cause a whole other issue with the rest of the universe, right? Marvel's Universe extends beyond just Earth. I think all the other beings would have a problem with this.


There's so much to sort through... like the idea that Apocalypse ruled an ancient Krakoa populated by thousands of ultra-powerful mutants - but we never heard of it? I'm just supposed to accept that? There's a lot of retconning going on and they aren't even bothering to explain most of it. I'm not reading that 40pg companion book just to understand the comic book series I've been reading for more than a year. Seriously - the @#@% were they thinking with all this?


I don't think they were. Someone came up with a dumb idea, without doing any research or adherence to continuity or logic, and it was rubber stamped with some positive affirmation, and sent to print, without a decent editor even saying, "What, uhm, hold up."
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Re: Why is Gambit in Excalibur, again?
« Reply #82 on: November 17, 2020, 09:10:59 AM »
At first, I was a bit annoyed by Gambit, again, being left out of another X-Men event - but seeing what X of Swords has devolved into, I cant help but feel a bit relieved. Tini's obsession with the occult I thought would only go as far as it could with an event involving swordplay - but somehow it's more about silly magic and parlor tricks than anything else. The event is truly more about the symbolism of swords as they have to do with tarot cards. I could imagine what type of buffoonery she and the other writers would have lined up for Gambit - assuming he'd survive it without being twisted after an embarrassing death - as we saw with Rockslide. Rockslide is a minor character, at best. I'm sure his fate was simply foreshadowing, as death has become with the X-Men, his was a tool or plot device - someone else is going to die and be reborn dramatically altered, just as Santos was at the beginning of this crossover. Glad it wont be Gambit... could you imagine the butchering of his character at the hands of these hacks?
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