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Re: Gambit Movie News
« Reply #2100 on: October 01, 2020, 05:26:24 PM »


GASP!!!!
I did warn all that blasphemy was incoming. LOL



You're dead to me.

*chuckles* I tried the show, I didn't get very far.


Just kidding, but, Buffy is a great show, especially once Angel leaves. I admit the Buffy/Angel angst was insufferable. It's an odd show in that the first 3 seasons and the last 3 (with season 4 being a forgettable transition season) almost feel like two entirely different shows.
I'll take your word for it. *wink*

back to Gambit .... I think a good script would be key.

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Re: Gambit Movie News
« Reply #2101 on: October 01, 2020, 10:20:28 PM »
Jeez. I guess I'm going to have to respond to this.



StarLord and Ant-Man are played by actors who specialise in comedy. The same for Thor- Hemsworth tried playing it serious in the first two Thor movies, but he's more fun as an actor when he's playing to his comedic strengths. If 30-something Daniel Day-Lewis had been cast in the same role with the same script he'd have given a completely different performance. The snippets of Eric Stolz's performance as Marty McFly are a really good example of the difference casting makes.


Yep, that's certainly one thing that could mess things up that I have concern about. Another is the writing. You can absolutely write a character like a dope or have them do things out of character. Michael J Fox's Marty McFly and Daniel Day-Lewis(one of the greatest actors of all time) are not the greatest analogies. Gambit is a preexisting character with a ton of personality, lore, and fans already built in. Writing can absolutely make or break a character. And as Gambit fans I think we can all agree, Gambit requires some decent writing to do him justice. Like I said before, Chris Pratt and Paul Rudd kind of punched up their characters to make them fun. Gambit doesn't need that.




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I don't think anyone wants him played like Kramer from Seinfeld.


Well, I guess we can all agree on that. ???  My point had a bit more nuance to it than that I believe.


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Having an equal amount of female characters to male characters is not being progressive. It's reflecting reality. You can pick out flops like Charlie's Angels or Terminator Dark Fate as examples of wokeness inevitably sinking movies, but every Terminator movie since 1992 has sucked and underperformed at the box office compared to the franchise's name recognition and the blame for 3 & 4 didn't focus on too many men and robots. Those movies sucking is a lot more to do with incompetence at the senior executive level across the film industry (see:Wild Wild West and the guy at Fox who just didn't like the look of Galactus).


Nobody(reasonable) has a problem with inclusivity and just generally having all different types of people in movies. It's when the people making the movie make their ideology the priority over good characters, story, and plot. Everyone loses when that's the case.


Charlie's Angels was a movie that was marketed to women but they got hung up on portraying the leads as tough, smart, and strong women taking on evil men to the point that they forgot to make them interesting and likeable. The movie bombed. Then the director took shots at men for not going to see it. Fun fact, more women went to see Rambo Last Blood in the theaters then saw Charlie's Angels.


The other sequels that came out after T2 and before Dark Fate are completely irrelevant here. Dark Fate was completely washing those away and directly following T2. Which general consensus has as one of the greatest action/sci fi films of all time. Seems like there is a lot of exciting things you could do there. Linda Hamilton was back who everyone loves as Sarah Connor. The first thing the movie does is kill 12 year old John Connor(the most important character in Terminator lore) right after the events of T2 making that movie pointless, just so they can introduce a female savior of the world. And that's exactly why they did it. Don't believe me just go look up interviews with Tim Miller and articles that came out about it at the time. They introduce a female good guy Terminator(kinda) so they can have an all female group. There were so many ideas you could go with following T2 that include Sarah and John Connor along with Arnold but because they had to make it "diverse" they had to dream up brand new characters and essentially just try to create the same movie. It flopped. Imagine if the first tease of Dark Fate was an image of Linda Hamilton, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Edward Furlong. The hype would've been next level.


Ghostbusters(2016) is barely worth mentioning. People never wanted a reboot and because the first trailer looked like garbage and everyone thought so, it became this weird rallying cry for women and feminism that everyone got in on from the cast, to the director, to the media who all got together to call all the fans "sexist", "man-babies", "basement dwelling losers" etc. It even got to the point where they insulted fans directly in the film multiple times. Media outlets and Twitter were all banding together to try make this film a success. All for this complete piece of trash film.


Star Wars. Kathleen Kennedy's goal from day one was to have the main hero to be a female and more females in the Star Wars universe in general. She wanted the main character to have innate goodness, ability, and powers. Again, you can look this up it's tru. The problem is, audiences whether female or male like their characters to have some type of journey and grow. It's why Luke Skywalker is so beloved. On to him. Because, Kennedy was so interested placing her ideology into Star Wars she didn't develop an over-arching plan for the trilogy. She just hired Rian Johnson for Last Jedi because she liked his ideas ideologically and let him do whatever he wanted. What resulted was the complete fracturing of Star Wars. Finns story was ignored for the introduction of Rose Tico. Poe learns the important lesson to always follow orders and never ask questions. Especially if the authority is female. And the complete deconstruction of one of the most recognizable and beloved heroes in film history, Luke Skywalker. Luke is a miserable, cranky, loser who has given up on his family and friends and just wants to die. He refuses to help Rey and is bested by her physically. And then he dies, really before he makes up for anything he has done.


The deconstruction of male characters leads into Star Trek Picard. This is what we do now. Deconstruct beloved male characters to make way for someone else. Not only is Picard berated by people about how he has failed or whatever. But the show brings in social topics from current times into the show that are completely out of place in the Star Trek universe. But the show wants it's woke points. The Star Trek shows are completely tanking because of this. Star Trek fans must be so bummed out.


Hell, even in Bill and Ted Face The Music, Bill and Ted are failures and it's not until they figure out it's their daughters who are responsible for the song and thus saving the universe.


These are just some examples. There's plenty more in movies, shows, comic books and video games. I don't think I'm saying anything outlandish here when I say there are content creators letting their personal views negatively affect their content. Even if their heart is in the right place, they wind up creating poor content and get defensive when people don't like it. It's the "woke" idea that's ruining these things because it's the main focus and I think a lot of people have a skewed idea of what it even is.





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Birds of Prey is actually an enjoyable enough film, but whoever decided to release it under that title rather than 'Harley Quinn (and the Birds of Prey') is an idiot. 'Birds of Prey' has no name recognition. Most movie goers are low information and go by the poster and the title.



I actually hated this movie. It was a chore to sit through. It was basically their attempt at a female deadpool. But it was just a cheap imitation. It was ugly to look at. It wasn't funny. It also had a terrible promotional strategy. Name was terrible but it specifically promoted for a female audience. That was a big part of promotion. As it turned out it flopped and 80% of the audience that turned up for it was male. Some of these studios think they can rely on the female audiences for these comic book/action flicks and that audience just isn't there. And it was rated R so little girls couldn't even go. So dumb. I personally don't think Harley Quinn works as a solo character anyway. She's a good secondary character or even a co-star.



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Why would it effect Gambit's character? CC and FabNic didn't write him as a creep or a loser. The 2015 Gambit script sticks pretty close to the Gambit vol. 2 version of the character (although, further to my points about the film industry above, I don't know how Fox could have marketed it).


I think it's fairly obvious. I've really explained this a few times by now. In this climate we're in and pressure on studios to be pc and woke, perhaps Gambit is less flirtatious. I mean imagine what Captain Marvel might do to him if he dared hit on her. Or let's say they pair him up with Rogue early on which is a high possibility. If they focus more on her and making her cool, badass, confident, and smart and it comes at the expense of Gambit's character, that would be really frustrating. Once again... That's why I worry about him being portrayed goofy/dumb charming like Ant-Man and Star Lord. Has this point been made yet? I mean Gambit's specialty is women. He knows how to play and work everyone whether it be friend or foe but he seems to really enjoy the game when it's a woman. That would be really fun on screen. But that might be deemed problematic. That would suck.


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Feige is a big X-fan and got his start producing on those movies. Gambit is one of a handful of characters who haven't been beaten to death by Fox, and he'd fit in with the street-level Falcon&TWS strand of the MCU as well as the superhero one.


I totally agree. I think he is super versatile and would really be a breath of fresh air in this mcu with some focus on him. That's why I hope none of this nonsense is a factor with him or any of the X-Men.
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Re: Gambit Movie News
« Reply #2102 on: October 02, 2020, 04:33:05 AM »
Gambit's personality is... complex...


... At the same time - he is a bit of nerd like the rest of us. He's a Trekkie, obviously has read or watched the Harry Porter series and like Nightcrawler enjoys a highflying, swashbuckling lifestyle.
Thank you! I will reiterate what I said before: Gambit - like all well-written characters - is multifaceted. Trying to deny his nerdy/goofy side is baffling to me. It doesn't lessen his appeal in any way. At this point, I think a lot of Gambit fans are so used to the character being misused/mishandled that they are pessimistic about everything even when there's really no reason to be.

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Re: Gambit Movie News
« Reply #2103 on: October 02, 2020, 04:51:19 AM »
 

I don't think anyone wants him played like Kramer from Seinfeld.

Zactly. No one - and I mean no one - is saying that Gambit is some kind of clown or buffoon. But he definitely has a strong goofy/nerdy side. This is canon and so I'm not sure why some are so upset about it. It doesn't take away from him at all. Nicieza (who wrote most if not all of the goofiness) still managed to make Gambit a smart, sexy badass. If anything, it made him all the more three-dimensional. It humanizes him.

Having an equal amount of female characters to male characters is not being progressive. It's reflecting reality. You can pick out flops like Charlie's Angels or Terminator Dark Fate as examples of wokeness inevitably sinking movies, but every Terminator movie since 1992 has sucked and underperformed at the box office compared to the franchise's name recognition and the blame for 3 & 4 didn't focus on too many men and robots. Those movies sucking is a lot more to do with incompetence at the senior executive level across the film industry (see:Wild Wild West and the guy at Fox who just didn't like the look of Galactus).

Birds of Prey is actually an enjoyable enough film, but whoever decided to release it under that title rather than 'Harley Quinn (and the Birds of Prey') is an idiot. 'Birds of Prey' has no name recognition. Most movie goers are low information and go by the poster and the title.

Thank you! I am sick of people pretending that the movies you mention flopped because they were "woke". Its such a lie. They flopped because they were either terrible movies (Charlie's Angels, T3 and T4) and/or because they were marketed incompetently (BoP). As I have mentioned before in this thread, movies like Black Panther are as woke as they come and have gone on to be MASSIVE, history-making hit movies. That alone blows the "go woke go broke" slogan out of the water. It is clearly something else. But some people choose to stick with their confirmation bias.

Why would it effect Gambit's character? CC and FabNic didn't write him as a creep or a loser. The 2015 Gambit script sticks pretty close to the Gambit vol. 2 version of the character (although, further to my points about the film industry above, I don't know how Fox could have marketed it).

Agreed. That Gambit was FabNic's Gambit and it was great. I really see no good reason to be concerned about MCU Gambit.



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Re: Gambit Movie News
« Reply #2104 on: October 02, 2020, 09:35:34 AM »
Being one of the few people who liked Ant-Man and The Wasp, Walton Goggins as Sonny Burch is someone I'd love to see an MCU Gambit bump up against. There's a whole canon of criminals, thieves and mercenaries in the MCU that he'd fit into as a reappearing character (before becoming a big-gun X-Man). I hope that FATWS and maybe the Nick Fury show will delve into that world and give some key character intros.


Maybe Marvel will treat some key X-men the way they're treating The Thunderbolts. Hannah John-Kamen was wasted in AM&TW and Florence Pugh will get a limited amount of time in BW, but when Thunderbolts happens as a movie or D+ show those actors will get their due.


WeGotThisCovered is full of crap, BUT I still hold out hope they were on to something when they said that Marvel were looking at someone like Harris Dickinson as Gambit rather than a Channing Tatum-alike. Dickinson's on a Florence Pugh-esque career trajectory and is a versatile actor.



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Re: Gambit Movie News
« Reply #2105 on: October 02, 2020, 10:42:28 AM »
If Disney wants a younger Gambit then I would love to see Tatum as Jean Luc Lebeau. I would be fine with Tatum as showrunner of D+ show too. I loved old script. It had a lot of golden Gambit stuff.

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Re: Gambit Movie News
« Reply #2106 on: October 03, 2020, 11:45:25 AM »
That would be cool, as Jean luc or maybe henri (if he does want a long commitment, lol) Some kind of behind the scenes thing could be good to.


I also want Wesley snipes to be whistler in the blade movie. :p
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Re: Gambit Movie News
« Reply #2107 on: October 04, 2020, 02:11:49 AM »

Thank you! I am sick of people pretending that the movies you mention flopped because they were "woke". Its such a lie. They flopped because they were either terrible movies (Charlie's Angels, T3 and T4) and/or because they were marketed incompetently (BoP). As I have mentioned before in this thread, movies like Black Panther are as woke as they come and have gone on to be MASSIVE, history-making hit movies. That alone blows the "go woke go broke" slogan out of the water. It is clearly something else. But some people choose to stick with their confirmation bias.

I think the problem comes from creatives setting out to make a 'woke' movie(or comic) rather than a good one. Thinking the wokeness will automatically make it good, at least in the only way that really matters to them. And then attacking and demonizing the audience and fans when they don't like it.

You can see a parallel with 'health food'. Most foods that use to be labeled 'health food' were so universally bad-tasting that decades of comedy has been mined from it across countless medias. When companies started making 'health food' that tasted good they had a to first convince a disbelieving public that was the case because that was the exception rather than the rule.

Companies like Marvel and DC have made things like 'diversity' and 'social justice' pejoratives and synonymous with bad because so much of what they put out that focuses on those things or is tailored to them is bad. While there are some exceptions like the Black Panther movie, because they are the exceptions, until that changes people will feel that proves the rule.

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Re: Gambit Movie News
« Reply #2108 on: October 06, 2020, 12:57:11 PM »
Let me ask everyone a  question. What do you think is the best way to introduce Gambit into the MCU? Not just for us as fans of him but for general audiences who might not be that familiar with Gambit.


Would it be best to introduce him into a show where they explain his background and his beginnings and show a portion of what he's gone through and then introduce him into the movies and have him around the other characters and part of a "team". While we, the audience, no what his history is but his new allies and teammates don't and aren't sure how much they trust him.


-or-


Introduce him more like we experienced him in the comics. He shows up in the movies and starts working with allies and teammates and we, the audience, don't know much about him like the other characters in the movie. Then as time goes by we learn about his story. Possibly a show or movie comes out later on getting deeper into him.


Basically, do we want to know his backstory before he gets with the X-men so we can understand his past while his teammates can't or do we want him to be mysterious first and then his story comes out later on? Remember, think of this from a general audience perspective and not just as a Gambit fan. It could be interesting for some to genuinely not know what Gambit's agenda is.
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Re: Gambit Movie News
« Reply #2109 on: October 06, 2020, 01:12:45 PM »
Best? Gambit as POV character of first X-Men team movie. Inflitrates X-Men to destroy them from indisde. Changes his motives towards the end of movie and decides to help X-Men and stay with them. Only small hints about backstory and a lot of coll and badass scenes.


Solo movie or D+ series about his past.

[size=78%]Then only at the end of second team movie X-Men will find out the truth and abandon him. [/size]

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Re: Gambit Movie News
« Reply #2110 on: October 06, 2020, 04:37:10 PM »
Let me ask everyone a  question. What do you think is the best way to introduce Gambit into the MCU? Not just for us as fans of him but for general audiences who might not be that familiar with Gambit.


Would it be best to introduce him into a show where they explain his background and his beginnings and show a portion of what he's gone through and then introduce him into the movies and have him around the other characters and part of a "team". While we, the audience, no what his history is but his new allies and teammates don't and aren't sure how much they trust him.


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Introduce him more like we experienced him in the comics. He shows up in the movies and starts working with allies and teammates and we, the audience, don't know much about him like the other characters in the movie. Then as time goes by we learn about his story. Possibly a show or movie comes out later on getting deeper into him.


Basically, do we want to know his backstory before he gets with the X-men so we can understand his past while his teammates can't or do we want him to be mysterious first and then his story comes out later on? Remember, think of this from a general audience perspective and not just as a Gambit fan. It could be interesting for some to genuinely not know what Gambit's agenda is.


I'd introduce him as already on the X-men team. I'd use a "show don't tell" strategy. Have Gambit be mostly background, quiet, seemingly stoic, so when he does talk, less is more, but his silent demeanor would that occasionally gives way to amusement, anger or flirtation.  Show him as a bad ass, who gets less action screen time, but, when he does, his feats are most impressive/cool. Make him mysterious, slightly standoffish, but, unpredictable (in good and bad ways). Have the other X-men, save Storm, a little wary of him. Imply a fiction/rivalry between he and Wolverine where Gambit is implied to be dangerous/bad ass enough that Logan is a bit worried about him. If/when his past is broached, have it be vague, yet exciting, to build intrigue. Make him CONFIDENT at all times, a dark, roguish (no pun intended) guy who seems half invested in the team, but, kicks the most ass.
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Re: Gambit Movie News
« Reply #2111 on: October 06, 2020, 05:35:54 PM »
Has anyone listened to the Wolverine podcast? I know the second season, The Lost Trail, is in NOLA and features Gambit. I haven’t tried it, I don’t usually listen to fictional podcasts. But a Gambit intro with Wolverine being the headliner would be pretty rad. Get people with Wolvie, who everyone knows, bring in Gambit for a foil/friend/adversary. Not a goofy buddy film, but maybe like the Victims mini. Inject humor in that they’re two different people with a different sense of style, approach to life, odd couple style (Logan, rugged lone wolf, in plaid flannel/Gambit, gregarious charmer in a pink shirt). Maybe they would get on each other’s nerves at first. Then begrudgingly respect one another.


It would also be in keeping with topics du jour, portraying positive male/male relationships.

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Re: Gambit Movie News
« Reply #2112 on: October 07, 2020, 01:16:31 AM »
Let me ask everyone a  question. What do you think is the best way to introduce Gambit into the MCU? Not just for us as fans of him but for general audiences who might not be that familiar with Gambit.


Would it be best to introduce him into a show where they explain his background and his beginnings and show a portion of what he's gone through and then introduce him into the movies and have him around the other characters and part of a "team". While we, the audience, no what his history is but his new allies and teammates don't and aren't sure how much they trust him.


-or-


Introduce him more like we experienced him in the comics. He shows up in the movies and starts working with allies and teammates and we, the audience, don't know much about him like the other characters in the movie. Then as time goes by we learn about his story. Possibly a show or movie comes out later on getting deeper into him.


Basically, do we want to know his backstory before he gets with the X-men so we can understand his past while his teammates can't or do we want him to be mysterious first and then his story comes out later on? Remember, think of this from a general audience perspective and not just as a Gambit fan. It could be interesting for some to genuinely not know what Gambit's agenda is.

I'd have the X-Men have a need to acquire something, probably parts of a device/bits of technology. Gambit gets contracted to steal them, which brings him into conflict/competition with the X-Men. Throughout the story we see he isn't simply a  thief and an adversary but has redeeming qualities, and ultimately sides with he X-Men against his employer, eventually becoming an X-Man himself.

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Re: Gambit Movie News
« Reply #2113 on: October 07, 2020, 02:54:34 AM »

I'd introduce him as already on the X-men team. I'd use a "show don't tell" strategy. Have Gambit be mostly background, quiet, seemingly stoic, so when he does talk, less is more, but his silent demeanor would that occasionally gives way to amusement, anger or flirtation.  Show him as a bad ass, who gets less action screen time, but, when he does, his feats are most impressive/cool. Make him mysterious, slightly standoffish, but, unpredictable (in good and bad ways). Have the other X-men, save Storm, a little wary of him. Imply a fiction/rivalry between he and Wolverine where Gambit is implied to be dangerous/bad ass enough that Logan is a bit worried about him. If/when his past is broached, have it be vague, yet exciting, to build intrigue. Make him CONFIDENT at all times, a dark, roguish (no pun intended) guy who seems half invested in the team, but, kicks the most ass.


Completely agree with that! The way it should be :gambit:

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Re: Gambit Movie News
« Reply #2114 on: October 07, 2020, 06:26:05 AM »
I think the problem comes from creatives setting out to make a 'woke' movie(or comic) rather than a good one. Thinking the wokeness will automatically make it good, at least in the only way that really matters to them. And then attacking and demonizing the audience and fans when they don't like it.

You can see a parallel with 'health food'. Most foods that use to be labeled 'health food' were so universally bad-tasting that decades of comedy has been mined from it across countless medias. When companies started making 'health food' that tasted good they had a to first convince a disbelieving public that was the case because that was the exception rather than the rule.

Companies like Marvel and DC have made things like 'diversity' and 'social justice' pejoratives and synonymous with bad because so much of what they put out that focuses on those things or is tailored to them is bad. While there are some exceptions like the Black Panther movie, because they are the exceptions, until that changes people will feel that proves the rule.
I agree that some studios get it wrong because they concern themselves only with catering to diversity at the expense of everything else. However, I do not agree that BP is some kind of rare exception for woke movies. There are lots of woke movies that have been both commercial and critical successes. I think that people who have a problem with diversity and inclusion will feel it proves the myth because they didn't like diversity and inclusion to begin with. Confirmation bias is real and rears its head whenever these discussions come about. I've literally had people on here try to tell me that BP wasn't a woke movie because it was good and successful. Says a lot, really.