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malachi:
I actually opened up my marvel unlimited app yesterday and did my first reading of Carey's non legacy issues. Then I went through Messiah Complex and through his Xavier legacy issues. Much of it read better then I remembered it too. His X-men issues where very well executed. Bachello's art is a soft spot since Gen X for me. Damn that man can do interesting panel layouts and backgrounds.
Gambit in Messiah Complex was a very good. Better then I rememberd.
The fact that Carey used him so much in his Xavier issues and also that he didn't use any other character I think was severly underestimated for me. It's stands to reason Carey actually enjoyed Gambit quite a bit. Up to Rogue leaving Australia it was set up for a comeback of Romy. Then Carey, by own admission, wanted to suprise us and and went with Rogneto. Witch I am skeptical towards rereading. Is it as bad as I remember? or was it so bad because Gambit was underused and we thought this was the new future status Quo?

Overall the care, heart and pacing Carey employed is top notch. Almost to good for comics it felt. Like a luxury that couldn't last. Witch brings me back into the present. Comparing Gambit in those issues to Tini's it's nto only a matter of how well the author gets the character. Or even the dialouge. Its that Carey understood witch moments where needed and witch moments perhaps was less essential for the plot but more so for us readers. All his characters had their moments in the battles. Played a part in the story. To a degree basics. But someone who masters the basics are often a sign of someone great. Tini really pales here and I appreciate Carey's Gambit even more so comparing it to hers. In the end Carey's biggest crime was that his Gambit was to centered on Rogue, witch made him passive, and becasue we knew the man could probalby write on of the best Gambits through publication. Whitch instead Gambit sort of got lost in the shuffle.

thjan:

--- Quote from: malachi on January 30, 2020, 05:25:31 PM ---I actually opened up my marvel unlimited app yesterday and did my first reading of Carey's non legacy issues. Then I went through Messiah Complex and through his Xavier legacy issues. Much of it read better then I remembered it too. His X-men issues where very well executed. Bachello's art is a soft spot since Gen X for me. Damn that man can do interesting panel layouts and backgrounds.
Gambit in Messiah Complex was a very good. Better then I rememberd.
The fact that Carey used him so much in his Xavier issues and also that he didn't use any other character I think was severly underestimated for me. It's stands to reason Carey actually enjoyed Gambit quite a bit. Up to Rogue leaving Australia it was set up for a comeback of Romy. Then Carey, by own admission, wanted to suprise us and and went with Rogneto. Witch I am skeptical towards rereading. Is it as bad as I remember? or was it so bad because Gambit was underused and we thought this was the new future status Quo?

Overall the care, heart and pacing Carey employed is top notch. Almost to good for comics it felt. Like a luxury that couldn't last. Witch brings me back into the present. Comparing Gambit in those issues to Tini's it's nto only a matter of how well the author gets the character. Or even the dialouge. Its that Carey understood witch moments where needed and witch moments perhaps was less essential for the plot but more so for us readers. All his characters had their moments in the battles. Played a part in the story. To a degree basics. But someone who masters the basics are often a sign of someone great. Tini really pales here and I appreciate Carey's Gambit even more so comparing it to hers. In the end Carey's biggest crime was that his Gambit was to centered on Rogue, witch made him passive, and becasue we knew the man could probalby write on of the best Gambits through publication. Whitch instead Gambit sort of got lost in the shuffle.

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Yep, I feel like a lot of Gambit fans are too hard on Carey.  You won't find anyone that hates the Rogneto mess in his run more than me(and really that actually reflected more poorly on Rogue's character, while Gambit came off as the mature one), but for the most part I enjoyed his run and his Gambit.  And like you said he pretty consistently used Gambit and returned him from the Milligan induced limbo state(while fixing him at the same time), so he obviously has some fondness for the character.


And yeah, the Rogneto aspects are pretty rough reading in those later X-Men Legacy issues, but the overall stories are still enjoyable imo.  I would think knowing how things turned out in the long run regarding Rogneto and Gambit and Rogue(Asmus Gambit, Thompson Rogue and Gambit), would make the read more enjoyable as well.

thjan:

--- Quote from: Sparta on January 30, 2020, 04:40:58 PM ---lol, I think it's a really good thing that Gambit's in 2 books, if one stinks, then there's another avenue.
Will he play a significant role in this new book? Maybe not...but if he's written respectfully, that's all I ask for at this point.

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Yep, that's pretty much where I'm at at this point.  I just want Gambit written decently somewhere.  I hate legacy heroes that take on an original hero's name or powers, but I am still giving this a shot for Gambit.  And hey, at least it looks like someone respects him in the comic.  That will be a nice change of pace from Howard's Excalibur where almost everyone dumps on him(I really can't recall anything like it).


The only thing I'm not looking forward to is Gambit's powers suddenly being more effective for this new Gambit girl than they have been for Gambit anywhere outside his solo and co-series appearances for years.   Also sorry for the double post, I meant to respond to this too above.

andresa:
I haven't read Carey's run thoroughly in a long time but from what I remember Gambit was well written during Messiah Complex. It was a very delicate time coming back from the Death mess but Gambit came off two-dimensional and in character. Loved when he attacked Cannonball so the latter could escape otherwise he would've been killed.

When it got to Xavier's Legacy, it went downhill fast. Gambit was dumb and useless. How many times did Xavier have to tell him that it wasn't really Rogue after Gambit had gone running to save her?

And then there was Rogneto (I always throw up in my mouth a little at the mere mention of it). That pathetic forced self-insert mediocrity.

Something that irked me back then was how well Carey described Gambit in interviews. It was clear he understood the character and what made him tick. Unfortunately his knowledge never seemed to really translate into the books much less in the later issues. He probably didn't care enough, after all, it was all about Rogue. Ironically his lack of interest in Gambit backfired when Gambit came on top and Rogue came off careless and naive.

Putting all that into perspective, Tini Howard is so incompetent that Gambit in Excalibur is more unrecognizable than under Carey's pen.

I'm not expecting anything from Children of the Atom, to be honest but if it turns out well for Gambit I'll pick it up. 

Nekobaghira:
Tempted to make a new thread for comparing writers instead of using this one, that tells the rest where to find Gambit. Let me know what you think. I can if you want, if not. It's okay as long as all of you are okay with the topics. :)

I have a couple of thoughts but I'll stick to Carey for now, touch upon Liu and I can't deal with Howard. My suspicions for why she is not good with Gambit can't be substantiated so, I'm going to leave it alone. But .... I think there is some influence on her part that effects Gambit.


That said: Here we go.


For myself - the most disappointing thing about Carey was the fact, he did know Gambit. He understood the character, his interviews about the character showcased his knowledge and understanding. I think instead of holding the character captive (not allowing others to write Gambit), it would have benefited both the writer and character from exposure in other books. Carey's use would haven't seem so stiffing if there was another outlet for fans.


I do think Carey wrote alright stories but I'm not a fan of Rogue, so to have her be the focus was an issue. He did build her up, he did move her forward in maturity and powers and he tried to endear her and for some he was successful.



Rogneto never bothered me outside of how Rogue took Gambit's heart felt words as her reasoning for having sex with Magneto. That was a pretty bad characterization. I'm certain Carey didn't expect the reaction it got. Not going to touch on the ageism stuff with Rogneto.



I do applaud Carey for sticking to his story ideas and not being pushed or bullied by fans to change his plans. He stuck by his stories and defended them. He was also successful with the Legacy book for several years. I say he can write, even if I didn't enjoy the focus.


Gambit still had agency, a personality and he was his own character under Carey, even if I wasn't happy with the story ideas or focus. Carey didn't take those things from Gambit.



Once Liu got permission to use Gambit, while he was in Carey's book. Liu did do a better job with the character and it gave the Gambit fan a place to at least get some Gambit story elements that were not all focused on Rogue.


 

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