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Re: Gambit 2024
« Reply #465 on: May 15, 2024, 04:08:33 PM »
So, not spoiling anything from episode 10 for those of us that haven't seen it...




Y'all I am so torn on this show. I ping pong between loving it and hating it, but I know this, I am kinda obsessed with it, because I keep rewatching it.


I feel the show has been beautifully animated, with vibrant, rich colors, amazingly animated action, and some bad ass scenes. I also hate the lack of sexuality in the female characters.


I think the voice acting overall was good, am glad for the voice actors and actresses who returned to their roles, and yet, the voice actors picked for Forge and Sunspot sucked, absolutely sucked. Jubilee wasn't much better.


I feel the characters were written poorly, and the dialogue written brilliantly...so long as it was dialogue for or referring to Magneto. Maybe Cyclops. Gambit's funeral and when he was lamented by Xavier were an insult.


I hate how much the show focused on and featured Magneto. That said, I still loved Magneto in this series.


I hate Gambit was written out and killed - and yet his moments and his death were the highlight of the series.


I hate the stupidity of the rushed plots. I love the nuance of of some characters motivations.


Argh. I love hate this show so much.





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Re: Gambit 2024
« Reply #466 on: May 15, 2024, 04:18:30 PM »
I wanted to wait until the season was fully concluded before offering my insights.
1 The breakneck pacing of this season was very different from other drawn-out shows that fill the streaming services. It emulated the 90’s series in that regards. I hope the next season can slow it down slightly.

What I liked:
It's remarkable how Gambit's character resonated with audiences in just one episode, triumphing over decades of neglect by Marvel. The showrunners likely didn't anticipate such a strong connection and sympathy towards Gambit, especially when compared to Magneto, the long-established.


Marvel really expects us to believe the line: no matter how charming you are, there’s always someone more charming.In reality Magneto isn’t charming, He’s a pretentious election zealot. Attractive for people with daddy issues and attraction to authoritarianism.The believability and feasiblity of Roguneto is in ruins. even if you discount the age discrepancy between rogue and magneto as in consequential to mutant culture, the Mentor-student romance is a terrible look, even if they pretend Rogue is in her mid-20s when she meets Magneto for the first time under the guidance of her evil mother.

I want to avoid talking about spoilers, but that boat scene was so cringe. It wasn’t misunderstood how poorly Roguneto was received by the general public.
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Re: Gambit 2024
« Reply #467 on: May 15, 2024, 05:39:58 PM »
Excuseme if i missed the info ..
When does season 2 start ? next wednesday ?

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Re: Gambit 2024
« Reply #468 on: May 15, 2024, 05:43:05 PM »
Excuseme if i missed the info ..
When does season 2 start ? next wednesday ?


Noone knows yet.
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Re: Gambit 2024
« Reply #469 on: May 15, 2024, 07:37:15 PM »

Noone knows yet.
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Sad but he's probably right on the second outlook. I prefer animation to CGI but the advantages of CGI come with speed of production on follow-up efforts. Once the models are built, all they basically have to do is storyboard it. But obviously, X-Men 97 isn't CGI so its going to take a long time. They won't even start it until the story is completely finalized and all they have right now is the rough script that Beau submitted before he got fired.
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Re: Gambit 2024
« Reply #470 on: May 15, 2024, 10:39:25 PM »

They won't even start it until the story is completely finalized and all they have right now is the rough script that Beau submitted before he got fired.


The voice actors have already recorded their lines so unfortunately the script that creep wrote has been finished for some time already.

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Re: Gambit 2024
« Reply #471 on: May 16, 2024, 07:16:52 AM »
Well, not really sure how to react to the finale. My interest and excitement for the show has really dipped in this 3 part finale.


I just have to say I am so tired of everything revolving around Magneto. It's too much of him and I start to tune out. I don't see him as this heroic figure who I desperately hope survives and does the big action scenes. And can we stop this whole thing of Magneto is so in love with Rogue garbage. End that please. Magneto doesn't even give a sh*t about his own children but I'm supposed to find it romantic that he lusts for Rogue? The young lady he groomed. Stop.


And I swear the Summers', meaning Cyclops, Jean, and Cable have easily gotten the most cohesive character dynamics of the season. That's nice for them but it kind of sucks if you're a fan of anyone else.


Morph being in love with Wolverine is a bit much.


Why did Wolverine stabbing Magneto not do much?


Are they breathing in space?


I think  some Gambit fans are excited for Deathbit because this show has the opportunity to do it better. And can maybe make it work. Like how the show handled Gambit's involvement with the morlocks and the mutant massacre is done better in this show. We'll see of course.


So by the ending of the episode I don't really know where we're going or what they're gonna do. And I find myself a bit apathetic to it. The only thing holding my interest at all is Gambit coming back to be Apocalypse's Horseman Death.

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Re: Gambit 2024
« Reply #472 on: May 16, 2024, 10:10:36 AM »
I was waiting to binge-watch the first story-arc in X-Men '97, then when I saw the emotional roller coaster many fans were on with it I decided to wait until the whole first season was finished. Now that it has, my interest in even watching it has waned.

I'm... trepidatious...

X-Men TAS was what got me back into even getting comics. It introduced me to Gambit and Jubilee. I don't need something else I love TAINTED or even RUINED by some postmodern apocrypha.

I'll probably watch it eventually... :idiot2:

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Re: Gambit 2024
« Reply #474 on: May 17, 2024, 08:39:23 AM »
https://screenrant.com/x-men-97-best-moments-ranked/

https://screenrant.com/x-men-97-episodes-ranked-worst-best/

There's really no doubt about it
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Agreed, to both articles really.


Especially love this:


"The ripple effects of "Remember It" extended further than subsequent episodes, as it sparked a furor online and drew even more eyes to X-Men '97. Gambit was already a popular mutant, but his heroism and smooth-as-silk final words mean that X-Men '97 has catapulted him back to the forefront of the Marvel zeitgeist. X-Men '97 is now predicted to be in the running for an Emmy Award win (via Variety) - and it is probably fair to say that this tearjerker of an episode is largely to thank."

I also find it hilarious Beau DeMayo used episode 5's reaction, specifically of Gambit, to tease that episodes 8-10 were the main course and it was only the appetizer, when nothing from 8-10 came remotely close save the last 2 minutes of the fight with Magneto in episode 9, lightspeed rushing Fatal Attractions creschendo where Logan's adamantium pull was immediately ignored the next episode to, you guessed it, focus on Magneto....who apparently can survive impalement from three blades through the ribcage and not only be fine, but battle worthy mere hours later.



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Re: Gambit 2024
« Reply #475 on: May 17, 2024, 10:24:51 AM »
Post modern apocrypha - I like that Icefanatic. Very true.


Yeah I saw these articles and was going to send them around. Screen rant have been notorious Gambit haters so this is really remarkable.


The whole thing is pretty messed up and I think two things can be true. It feels like a macro / micro situation. On the macro side the articles above sum it up, the fact that the second best moment was a Summers family reunion was 2 just proves how far and away that scene was the highlight of the series.


Gambit is back at the forefront of the Xmen narrative. It’s one of the best scenes in American superhero show history, one of the best in Xmen history and it’s effortlessly cool. The big storyline going into season 2 feels like it’s all about Gambit and with Wolverine / Deadpool coming out we might see an even bigger surge in popularity.


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Re: Gambit 2024
« Reply #476 on: May 17, 2024, 10:27:34 AM »

The voice actors have already recorded their lines so unfortunately the script that creep wrote has been finished for some time already.


Voice acting is the least of their worries. Actors can get brought back in for re-recording - redrawing animated scenes is kind of a disaster. Unlike movies - there are no reshoots for animated shows. They'll cut scenes quick, but adding in new ones can take months. I doubt anything is set in stone at this moment beyond that it's happening.
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Re: Gambit 2024
« Reply #477 on: May 17, 2024, 10:40:13 AM »

Voice acting is the least of their worries. Actors can get brought back in for re-recording - redrawing animated scenes is kind of a disaster. Unlike movies - there are no reshoots for animated shows. They'll cut scenes quick, but adding in new ones can take months. I doubt anything is set in stone at this moment beyond that it's happening.


You said "rough script", which is wrong. The fact that the voice actors have finished their lines means that the script is complete (it's common to come back to the studio for minor changes only). Precisely because it is difficult and expensive to change animation, there won't be any significant changes in season two, they're deep into it already, especially aiming to a next year release. 

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Re: Gambit 2024
« Reply #478 on: May 17, 2024, 11:39:32 AM »

You said "rough script", which is wrong. The fact that the voice actors have finished their lines means that the script is complete (it's common to come back to the studio for minor changes only). Precisely because it is difficult and expensive to change animation, there won't be any significant changes in season two, they're deep into it already, especially aiming to a next year release.


oh... ok. Didn't realize we were debating - so you're saying that we'll season two before next year this time?
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Re: Gambit 2024
« Reply #479 on: May 17, 2024, 11:49:41 AM »
The big question is, will Gambit be mitigated to a end of season teaser return, will he be brought back but written out, or will he be a featured character who's return might be the highlight of the season?


Part of me fears the showrunners are done with him as a series regular. At the same time, his impact is gonna make top brass say, "not so fast, nerds." But part of me also thinks they're going to develop spin off's and an eventual MCAU, and so a lot of characters will be on like a New Mutants/Gen-X show, X-Factor, and maybe a split X-men series. If that's the case, I definitely expect Gambit to be back.
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