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X-Men => X-Men => Topic started by: DonPriceTag on November 14, 2017, 10:31:17 AM
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Jean's roster for X-Men Red is revealed. Rumor is, Gambit will be joining at some point... No reason to put him on the cover. Wouldn't want to get the fans too excited.
https://screenrant.com/x-men-red-jean-grey-mutant-team/ (https://screenrant.com/x-men-red-jean-grey-mutant-team/)
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I was just going to say .... no G on the cover.
This one will stay on the shelf until we have an issue number for me to even consider this book. ;)
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I was expecting so much more from this books rosters with soooo many just sitting in limbo for no good reason while we have several versions of Wolverine running around...
Just off of the top of my head I can think of a lot of characters that would have fit rather than 2 versions of Wolverine, Nightcrawler who's already in a team book, an unnecessary new character and Namor, who has no history with Jean that I can recall. And not even counting the X-Men in Astonishing (Psylocke, Bishop, and Angel), a book that is kind of outside of continuity and already on a limited run; Dazzler (she has a following that rivals Gambit's off of sheer appeal), Sage, Iceman, Karma, Northstar, Havok, Magik, Mercury, Surge, Dust, M, Lifeguard, Nate, Cable, Emma (just for list sake), Cannonball, Forge, Frenzy, Sunfire, Mimic, Cecelia and I'm sure I'm missing a whole bunch more that are both unused and fan favorites. This book has an uphill battle right out of the gate. I think they're banking on the excitement of Jean's return too much. As an editor someone should have cautioned the writer about this team. I get they have ideas and it's healthy to embrace those ideas... but do you want our money, or not? Not saying that this book can't be written well. No. I'm saying it probably going to have a slow start due to not having enough characters people are invested in, or not already seeing somewhere else. I'm sure it'll have the #1 spike, then drop like a rock as does everything else. If it's written well, word of mouth isnt going to help until months down the line and by then it'll be on it's way to be cancelled and/or relaunched. I can't imagine this book catching anyone's attention sitting on a rack beyond a big exaggerated "#1" graphic.
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Yeah, this is not the most exciting X-Men group ever assembled to say the least. I can't help but feel Gambit is the one to be in this book considering neither one of them is on the cover. I can't help but feel Rogue would be prominently displayed there even if she wasn't in the first issue. Similar to Mystique in Astonishing.
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Huge preview for #1.
https://www.facebook.com/TomTaylorWriter/photos/pcb.1829991677011225/1829989137011479/?type=3&theater
It seems #1 sold out on preorders week before release and already went to second printing.
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That is good and its out next Wednesday 2/7/18.
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I want to be interested... but will likely be 'wait and see' for me.
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Issue 1 was really good. I liked it. It surprises me because I never liked Jean and always thought that she is annoying abd boring.
I liked everything about this issue. I think it was the best #1 for team book in a long time. But it was completely Jean centric. Interesting if it will change with next issues.
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https://www.newsarama.com/38656-tom-taylor-x-men-red-interview.html
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Hoping to see some Gambit/Nightcrawler interaction, there's not enough of it and I think they would play off each other well.
Even in action sequences, both acrobatic and quick. Could look great visually with the right artist.
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Cast is huge. I would expect Gambit to interact only with half of team.
X-Factor gave no Gambit interaction with Warlock or Cypher, except of small words.
Gambit and Bishop had no interaction at all. Only one page when Gambit was possessed.
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Cast is huge. I would expect Gambit to interact only with half of team.
X-Factor gave no Gambit interaction with Warlock or Cypher, except of small words.
Gambit and Bishop had no interaction at all. Only one page when Gambit was possessed.
Which is a shame because he works best imo when he plays off other people. And a reason I like him so much is because he can play off almost anyone. Someone really stoic like Bishop or fun like Nightcrawler
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Thanks for the link. I am a bit worried about his commentary about team make up being mostly what he needed for the story sounds like he got baggage he might not have wanted also no mention of Gambit.... could be he wasnt wanted but they wanted to stick him somewhere with astonishing ending.
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I will wait for new interviews before issue 3 to see what Taylor will tell about Gambit.
I listened today some podcast with Taylor. The whole hour, lol. Taylor told that he was asked by Marvel to write a book about Jean. Trinary will have huge role and good moments with Jean. Last member how IIunderstood will be very important for team. He really wanted to use Gabby and X-23 in this book. Nighcrawler is amazing and was his first choice for the book. Oh, and Gambit is also there.
Hope for the best , ofcourse but with huge cast it will be hard to get Gambit fix only from RED. I hope when R&G and Astonishing will end the we will get smth new with Gambit and hopefully more in central role.
I really liked RED#1 and hope Taylor will bring his best game for it. Also, he liked my tweet where I told that I liked #1 and asked him not to forgot that Gambit has telepathy resistance.
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Xmen Red, new costume for Gambit
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I'm just not a fan of the X being on the stomach. Looks weird imo
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I always liked that Gambit had no X on his uniform.
Costume is almost the same really.
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I'm cool with the costume. I think it looks alright too. There are far worse things that can happen than Remy having to look uniform.
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I agree.Costume is fine and recognazible. It is important that you look at cosume and can understand that it is Gambit even without charged cards.
Smth you can't say about current astonishing or his X-Factor uniform.
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Issue #1 was great. I really liked Taylor's work in Injustice series and how he wrote Jean kicking ass.
My favourite superhero is back!
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Issue #1 was great. I really liked Taylor's work in Injustice series and how he wrote Jean kicking ass.
My favourite superhero is back!
Yeah, I was never really a huge fan of Jean but really liked her in Red. Being a team leader suits her
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Yeah, I was never really a huge fan of Jean but really liked her in Red. Being a team leader suits her
Same. It may have just been because teen Jean has been SO off-putting to me. I think she sucks. Hard. It was nice to be reminded that the real Jean Grey is back and better than ever.
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Same. It may have just been because teen Jean has been SO off-putting to me. I think she sucks. Hard. It was nice to be reminded that the real Jean Grey is back and better than ever.
I have the same opinioin. Always thought that she is boring.
I am shocked how much a good writer can do with just 1 single issue.
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I've always liked Jean, but I didn't like the teen version of her. I'm alright with her leading this team. Looking forward in how she puts them together and what they will be doing. :)
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Xmen Red, new costume for Gambit
Taylor told this cover is for issue 4.
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https://www.cbr.com/x-men-red-jean-grey-future-tom-taylor-interview/3/
Tom Taylor Explains Why Jean Grey Sets Out to Change the World in X-Men Red
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https://www.cbr.com/x-men-red-jean-grey-future-tom-taylor-interview/3/ (https://www.cbr.com/x-men-red-jean-grey-future-tom-taylor-interview/3/)
Tom Taylor Explains Why Jean Grey Sets Out to Change the World in X-Men Red
Second interview with not mentioning Gambit. I believe Gambit is here only for a mission then he will leave. Thats why he isn't on team cover.
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Second interview with not mentioning Gambit. I believe Gambit is here only for a mission then he will leave. Thats why he isn't on team cover.
Team cover is for issue 1. Gambit is on covers for issue 3 and 4.
I think and hope that they will release article focused on Gambit before issue 3. The same way as Gambit articles appeared before his appearence in Gold.
It is still 2 months before Gambit will appear in RED.
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Gambit isn’t relevant to the first issue, which is what these interviews are about. I’m sure some new interviews will be done for issue #3.
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Gambit isn’t relevant to the first issue, which is what these interviews are about. I’m sure some new interviews will be done for issue #3.
Exactly.
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I liked issue 2. RED is a good book.
Remy wasn't in issue. Ar the end of book there is a page with costumes design. Gambit is there. He looks ok. Maybe short a little bit but ok:)
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Gambit for X-Men RED
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You nailed it Purp!
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You nailed it Purp!
Thanks :) I almost guessed it correct on my pic. Still don`t know what is wrong with Gambit on that Asrar`s pic.
I think his legs is short or head is too big. I hope Asrar`s interior art with Gambit will be better.
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Liked X-men Red #2 but loved Rogue & Gambit more. Wonder what kind of role Gambit will be playing in this team.
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Liked X-men Red #2 but loved Rogue & Gambit more. Wonder what kind of role Gambit will be playing in this team.
Welcome, my friend :)
Agree. Liked R&G more. It was overall better as issue then RED#2.
But RED#2 was still good.
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I hope Gambit is utilized for his skills. Thieving and infiltration type stuff.
Welcome to the forum Belay.
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How do u feel about Asrar work on Xmen Red? I find his faces look find of lumpy and unfinished but overall it is okay.
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How do u feel about Asrar work on Xmen Red? I find his faces look find of lumpy and unfinished but overall it is okay.
So far, I'm really enjoying it. I think it's some of his best work. His Nightcrawler in particular looks great.
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How do u feel about Asrar work on Xmen Red? I find his faces look find of lumpy and unfinished but overall it is okay.
For me it is fine enough to read and easy to follow.
He just draws what you need to see without a lot of details.
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It is bland artwise but gets the job done. I've seen worse. LOL
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It is bland artwise but gets the job done. I've seen worse. LOL
Cough.. Deadpool V Gambit.. Cough ;D
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Cough.. Deadpool V Gambit.. Cough ;D
What a dud that was. So disappointing.
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Cough.. Deadpool V Gambit.. Cough ;D
What a dud that was. So disappointing.
No kidding. That limited could have been three issues and been a better story than what was in print. It's completely forgettable too.
Back to Red: As for the art in the back with Gambit, guess I'll wait to actually see how he's drawn when he arrives in the book.
I will say, if its as harsh looking due to the headpiece as Nightcrawler, then we are in for fugly art. LOL
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Holy cow now I know what you guys were talking about for the costume, that stomach X does not work!
This is the guy that wrote Gambit in that one-shot with X-23 right? His Gambit was okay but there was a slight suggestion that he was a bit of a doofus. Or maybe it was just me who got that vibe. Still though I hope he gets some good interaction with Laura and Jean.
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There seems to be some satisfaction in turning male characters into incompetent clowns. Gambit and Hawkeye come to mind immediately.
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Holy cow now I know what you guys were talking about for the costume, that stomach X does not work!
This is the guy that wrote Gambit in that one-shot with X-23 right? His Gambit was okay but there was a slight suggestion that he was a bit of a doofus. Or maybe it was just me who got that vibe. Still though I hope he gets some good interaction with Laura and Jean.
No. This is the gut who wrote Gambit in All-New Wolverine.
In first appearence Gambit cmashed the whole floor of building with single card.
Later were stated that he blowed up brainwashed X-23 into pisces with that explosion.
Oh, I even forgot how badass moment that was :D
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As for stomach X it won`t be so bad if it was purple and not red. RED X just don`t fit as the only red part of costume.
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As for stomach X it won`t be so bad if it was purple and not red. RED X just don`t fit as the only red part of costume.
I agree the red doesn't fit. Looks goofy... I liked issue one more than I did two. It was ok. Nothing blew me away and I was able to breeze through it without caring slow down. I'm still searching for the point of it. Never really been a fan of adults bringing children into battle willingly nor do I look forward to reading their interactions on a long drawn out basis.
I think after the O5 go home they should send Honey Badger to the Champions.
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She can come over to Deadpool. She brings out the best in Wade.
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Solitics for issue 3 and 4 of X-Men RED
X-Men Red (2018-) #3
WELCOME TO THE X-MEN, TRINARY, HOPE YOU SURVIVE THE EXPERIENCE! The battle rages in India, and the newest X-Men member may be the key to the team's survival. GAMBIT is caught up the intensifying global frenzy of mutant hate. Plus: Could one of JEAN GREY's oldest friends turn foe?
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• JEAN GREY and her team of X-Men are trying to save the world…but one mutant could spoil that for everyone.
• When an old friend of Jean’s is corrupted and turned against her, will Jean have to do the unthinkable?
Do you tink Gambit is that old friend that got corrupted?
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Do you tink Gambit is that old friend that got corrupted?
Hmm. It could be. But I feel like if that were the case, the solicit would have said something like "a member of the team" instead of "old friend". Could be wrong though. The solicit's pretty vague
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How many times are going to have to read "Hope you survive the experience"? we get it... Kitty...yaaahh. They're really pushing this Kitty agenda. They did the same thing when they had Spider-Man too. A character said it to Kitty recently when she was locked-up (which made no sense). And now in a solicit.
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Hmm. It could be. But I feel like if that were the case, the solicit would have said something like "a member of the team" instead of "old friend". Could be wrong though. The solicit's pretty vague
I think Gambit won't be a memeber of team in 3 and will join only in #4.
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I think Gambit won't be a memeber of team in 3 and will join only in #4.
That's a good point. If he is, I'll be pissed because he was just under the control of the SK. Use someone else as a prop for your plot
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I think my biggest problem with this book is the roster. The premise isn't too bad, if not a bit on the nose. I think Taylor's heart is in the right place, but it comes off as him approaching something he has no real way of understanding. At least not enough to write a story that makes a whole lot sense or doesnt come off as cheesy. #3 came off as cheesy to me. The fact that Jean is bringing kids along for the ride isn't that crazy due to how the X-Men function, but the moment Tom Taylor had X-23 cut someones hand to shreds the tone of the book went somewhere I don't think fits Jean's character. There would be no way she'd be ok with that kind of violence, especially if it can be avoided. It was one of her turn-offs with Logan once upon a time. Now she's ok with it coming from kids? (Laura is the same age as Hellion, Mercury, Surge etc, which means shes no older than 19). Not to mention, this isnt the life Wolverine wanted for her, though he didnt really express that until well after Jean's death. So the kid count is up to 3 including; Gabby, Laura and Gentle. That's roughly half her roster not including Trinary who looks pretty young herself and with all that talk about what her "father" did makes me think she can't be older than 20.
Jean just comes back to life, and the first thing that happens is she constructs a team of children with little to no experience outside of Gabby and Laura being trained sociopath killers? Nightcrawler is the only real person the currently makes any sense. It would have made more sense for her to see the current condition of her closest friends and want to help them; While Iceman seems ok, he should be trying to understand who he is all over again, then you have Archangel struggling with brainwashing and then Beast who's basically an X-Men outcast due to being the cause of a really dumb story line. I could think of at least two versions of this team that would have made more sense. For instance... Namor? I read it, and I still don't get why he'd care more than he already has.
First version aka O5 reunion; Jean, Beast, Iceman, Archangel, Nightcrawler, Storm + Trinary
This one is easy. Probably all her closest and oldest friends. Her teaming up with these make the most sense. Archangel could use the help of an experienced telepath thats not interested in him romantically. Nightcrawler fits anywhere and is the only one of Tom's choices that fit. Storm is probably her closest girl-friend so having her wouldn't need much convincing. Iceman was always like her kid brother and Beast should have a yearning to want to be around his family. Probably being less wanted at the mansion, this would be the best of both worlds. Trinary can still be added as a new character. With her being surrounded by all these vets, there would be tons of space for her character to grow organically.
Second version aka Better X-Men Red: Jean, Nightcrawler, Gambit, Laura, Havok, Frenzy + Trinary
Little more dynamic of a group . Much more room for conflict and character development. In this group, I find it funny that a character like Gambit would be actually considered among the more level-headed alongside Jean and Kurt, if asked I see him joining just to be of use. Besides his access to resources and money would help explain away some of the needs of a team like this. Frenzy has unfinished with Jean, but not in a "I hate you" kind of way. In a lot of ways, Frenzy's journey to becoming a hero started with Jean messing with her during Magneto Wars. I can see her sticking close by and buying into Jean's new ideals, just wanting to be a soldier for good. Havok needs as much help as Warren, plus they have the connection of Cyclops which could lead into several great character developing conversations. Laura could be Jeans connection to a friend she thought lost. I can see Jean taking her under her wing to see to it that she becomes what Wolverine was, but better. Nothing changes for Trinary.
These just make more sense to me.
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Gambit being treated like garbage in Astonishing X-men has me worried for his role in X-men Red. The cast is big and not everyone will get enough panel time. I won't be shocked if Gambit is treated as as wallpaper after a couple of issues similarly to how he was treated in X-men Legacy.
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Gambit being treated like garbage in Astonishing X-men has me worried for his role in X-men Red. The cast is big and not everyone will get enough panel time. I won't be shocked if Gambit is treated as as wallpaper after a couple of issues similarly to how he was treated in X-men Legacy.
I am worried for the same thing. I listened and read all podcasts and interviews with Taylor about RED. He told nothing exciting about Gambit and his role in book. The same way as Soule.
I liked Gambit in ANW and I like Taylor as writer so I still hope for the best. Can't wait for some Gambit related interview for RED #3.
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You'd think with Rogue and Gambit being out it'd be a good opportunity to cross promote. But this is a company that let's theilet's their employees curse out customers and writers routinely contradict each other.
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Variant Cover of X-men Red issue #3
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I would love that variant cover. I'll have to check what the deal is with my shop. If its a 1vs1 or part of some marketing thing. It probably isn't a 1v1. *sigh*
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Strange. This Gambit pic was drawn years ago. I remember it
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X-Men RED 3 preview
http://www.syfy.com/syfywire/exclusive-preview-x-men-red-3-hints-at-cassandra-novas-plans-to-destroy-the-team
Do you think Gambit will be in X-mansion?
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X-Men RED 3 preview
http://www.syfy.com/syfywire/exclusive-preview-x-men-red-3-hints-at-cassandra-novas-plans-to-destroy-the-team (http://www.syfy.com/syfywire/exclusive-preview-x-men-red-3-hints-at-cassandra-novas-plans-to-destroy-the-team)
Do you think Gambit will be in X-mansion?
I was gonna say no, but maybe he is at the Mansion while Nova is there and whatever she does there is the catalyst for him being on Jean's team. Either that or he shows up halfway through as a surprise to the rest of the team. I don't really care either way, just so Taylor uses him and uses him right haha
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I just hope he won`t be the one to be brainwashed.
Kinda thought that he will be in previews but it is better to read him more in actual book then in preview :)
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I just hope he won`t be the one to be brainwashed.
Kinda thought that he will be in previews but it is better to read him more in actual book then in preview :)
I'm gonna be so pissed if he gets used like that twice within the span of a few months. I have more faith in Taylor than I did in Soule though, so hopefully we'll see the Gambit we all know and love :)
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I just hope he won`t be the one to be brainwashed.
Kinda thought that he will be in previews but it is better to read him more in actual book then in preview :)
I do think Gambit will be the one who is brainwashed.
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Yeah most likely given the solicits where Gambit is caught up in the intensifying global frenzy of mutant hate, my guess is he is Nova's b***h and will be seen on global TV doing something that puts mutants in a bad light.
That is just the way it goes for Gambit these days. More than likely too we won't see him until like the last panel or two and so we will have to wait another month to actually see Jean and Co kick his ass and save him.
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It will be the easiest way for brainwashed Gambit to join team. And the worst way really.
I hope brainwashed will be last character that will join team. We know that 1 more after Gambit will be added to team.
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Preview is available for Xmen Red #3
https://www.cbr.com/x-men-red-3/?utm_content=buffer20428&utm_medium=Social-Distribution&utm_source=CBR-TW&utm_campaign=CBR-TW
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If Gambit's the one being brainwashed, I'm not picking up this title. It's getting a bit ridiculous how he's always one of the first to get mind-controlled...
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If Gambit's the one being brainwashed, I'm not picking up this title. It's getting a bit ridiculous how he's always one of the first to get mind-controlled...
Was finally able to read X-men Red and it was a good issue. Gambit was written and drawn really well and he is not the one who was mind controlled.
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Thoughts on X-Men RED 3
Positive: Gambit wasn`t the one to be brainwashed or needed to be saved.
Negative: I didn`t like Gambit appearence. It was meh. Nothing exciting or good for character. More negative then positive I would say.
I still interested in this nook so I hope Gambit will be better in next issues. But with 9 characters in book I doubt that he will have a lot of time to shine.
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Was finally able to read X-men Red and it was a good issue. Gambit was written and drawn really well and he is not the one who was mind controlled.
Glad that you liked.
I wasn`t a fan this RED issue.
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I agree with written and drawn really well. Especially the drawn part. Asrar definitely did well. I feel like the story and writing aspect was just the intro for why Gambit'll be in the book. So I'm excited.
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I liked Gambit's introduction to 'Red'. He's off to a solid start, heartbreaking scene too. But Remy was in character, and drawn well. Look forward to seeing how the events in Louisiana links to the cast who are all in Wakanda.
The overall story was quite clever too, I'm really liking how Jean is developing independently after all these years (without Cyclops), it's the right direction for her character. The whole series is moving along nicely so far.
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I liked Gambit's introduction to 'Red'. He's off to a solid start, heartbreaking scene too. But Remy was in character, and drawn well. Look forward to seeing how the events in Louisiana links to the cast who are all in Wakanda.
The overall story was quite clever too, I'm really liking how Jean is developing independently after all these years (without Cyclops), it's the right direction for her character. The whole series is moving along nicely so far.
Agreed. I really liked this issue. I thought the writing was solid, the intro done well and fit the narrative given prior.
I liked the art, thought the use of Gambit's powers was done well. I liked how he was portrayed.
And!!!! - I got the variant .... with Gambit head shot. There was a venom cover too but its a common ratio, I just didn't pick it up. LOL
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Agreed. I really liked this issue. I thought the writing was solid, the intro done well and fit the narrative given prior.
I liked the art, thought the use of Gambit's powers was done well. I liked how he was portrayed.
And!!!! - I got the variant .... with Gambit head shot. There was a venom cover too but its a common ratio, I just didn't pick it up. LOL
Cool variant, Neko!
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Agreed. I really liked this issue. I thought the writing was solid, the intro done well and fit the narrative given prior.
I liked the art, thought the use of Gambit's powers was done well. I liked how he was portrayed.
And!!!! - I got the variant .... with Gambit head shot. There was a venom cover too but its a common ratio, I just didn't pick it up. LOL
Nice! Was that variant a rarer one? I kinda want to pick it up but don't want to spend too much.
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Glad that you liked.
I wasn`t a fan this RED issue.
I liked it because the book is dealing with real life issues and the way Gambit was introduced didn't feel forced. I liked the art especially the panel where a person was recording the confrontation between Gambit and the guy with the gun which will likely play a part into the story.
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I liked it because the book is dealing with real life issues and the way Gambit was introduced didn't feel forced. I liked the art especially the panel where a person was recording the confrontation between Gambit and the guy with the gun which will likely play a part into the story.
I really liked Asrar's art here too. His Gambit on interiars is much better then on sketch:)
This issue makes personal motives for Gambit to stop Nova.
Also anybody checked Q and A at the end of issue?
Is it me or first answer sounded like something not very good for Gambit after first appearence?
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Nice! Was that variant a rarer one? I kinda want to pick it up but don't want to spend too much.
No, not horribly so, I was able to pick it up for $8. Probably a 1 in ten type ratio. Depends on the incentive but considering what I paid, you should be able to get it without too much pain in the wallet. LOL
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I didn't read the Q&A .... but I'll check it out.
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No, not horribly so, I was able to pick it up for $8. Probably a 1 in ten type ratio. Depends on the incentive but considering what I paid, you should be able to get it without too much pain in the wallet. LOL
That's pretty good. I think I paid more for the Astonishing X-Men Gambit cover that Granov did
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I really liked Asrar's art here too. His Gambit on interiars is much better then on sketch:)
This issue makes personal motives for Gambit to stop Nova.
Also anybody checked Q and A at the end of issue?
Is it me or first answer sounded like something not very good for Gambit after first appearence?
the Q&A is past tense, "what came next" as in what happened after he appeared, without spoiling it you know. If he intended to mean what will happen in the future he would have said "what comes next"
Great first appearance, interested to see how he joins the team although im thinking and hoping Jean uses him to get through to the brainwashed one due to their relationship
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the Q&A is past tense, "what came next" as in what happened after he appeared, without spoiling it you know. If he intended to mean what will happen in the future he would have said "what comes next"
Great first appearance, interested to see how he joins the team although im thinking and hoping Jean uses him to get through to the brainwashed one due to their relationship
Oh, then good. Thanks Dantay! English is not my native language so sometimes it is a little bit hard to get everything right:)
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I think Trinary will save brainwashed people.
Not sure yet what role Gambit will have but revenge will work for me:)
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Thanks Dantay, you explained Q&A better than I could have, I didn't see anything odd in the comment.
I also took it as more of ... we don't know whats going to happen next type thing. :)
I like Trinary quite a bit.
I like how Jean is handling things too.
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Alright. Looks like I'll be picking this up after all. :)
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I thought overall, it read really well. While there was some things I wished could have been different, it doesn't bother me that much because I think the intent in the story telling was consistent.
Some might not like how Gambit came across but I don't think it was horrendous since it showed exactly what the story was trying to say was the issue. It wasn't random, it was calculated story telling. I liked it.
Edit: And for some reason, the part that is seemly forgotten was the winged girl Cara made a choice to face the mob. Gambit suggested to her to fly away and she refused. No time for discussion in this situation. Story wise, did a good job of bringing the issue closer to "home" as it were based on the circumstances.
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I thought overall, it read really well. While there was some things I wished could have been different, it doesn't bother me that much because I think the intent in the story telling was consistent.
Some might not like how Gambit came across but I don't think it was horrendous since it showed exactly what the story was trying to say was the issue. It wasn't random, it was calculated story telling. I liked it.
Edit: And for some reason, the part that is seemly forgotten was the winged girl Cara made a choice to face the mob. Gambit suggested to her to fly away and she refused. No time for discussion in this situation. Story wise, did a good job of bringing the issue closer to "home" as it were based on the circumstances.
I agree Neko. The story was written in a manner that'll push Gambit forward in the series for the better. There's a difference between an unfortunate situation happening in a comic and being made to look incompetent. I definitely think this was the former and didn't make Gambit look terrible.
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We must really be Gambit starved. He was on 4 pages... Yeah, he was written fine, nothing special. I mean it was four pages, 12 panels (most just head shots). While it wasn't embarrassing at all, it was hardly worth putting him on the cover. I think we got more dialogue out of Red Skull-Gambit. The fact that he made the cover in this book and was so sparingly used just enforces my concern on how much panel time anyone is going to get with so many characters on the roster. I'm still not swung on this book. It's ok. That's all I can say about this book that's supposed to be the "grand return of Jean Grey". It's ok. The art is ok, the pacing in this issue was the best out of the 3 so far, but still just ok. For something that is pushed like Flagship title, it should be more than this.
I feel like we've seen the "pet sentinel" before... No, we have seen the pet sentinel before, and it wasn't even all that long ago. Did no one else get a little disturbed by the "intestines" part with Gabby... you know, the child? I get it. She's another mini-Wolverine and it was supposed to be cute and funny, but I'm not seeing that. Hopefully the reason for their being so many characters in this book is so that eventually we get a plot that has several of the members leave... such as the 2+ children. Laura gets a pass due to her experience. She can be on any X-Men team. All that scene did for me was question Jean and Nightcrawler's mindset to have children along for this ride. There's a difference between a book where the kids get into sticky situations (Gen-X, Champions, Avengers Academy etc) that turn to "life and death" and adult characters putting children in levels of danger best left for vets. Wasn't that the ENTIRE cause of Schism and the reason Wolverine kicked Laura off of his X-Force team?
I get the purpose of narration, but after all this time and all the techno-paths the X-Men have encountered, Jean is surprised by Trinary being able to control a Sentinel? Out of anyone on the X-Men, Jean should be the hardest to impress. When I read some of your reactions I was expecting a bit more... but now I'm on the verge of taking this off of my pull-list.
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Keep in mind I kept my expectations fairly low, due to knowing that Gambit is in a cast of 9, he's probably not going to play a massive role, he may not even be in half the remaining issues of this entire run. I'll be content with Gambit contributing to the stories in an effective way and mingling with the cast. From the 4 pages I've read Gambit had a solid start, but because his subplot is so self-contained it probably can't go beyond 5 pages, I'm more interested in seeing how it fits in with the rest of the cast.
X-Men: Red is the best of the 3 "coloured" core books, and also better than Astonishing (obviously). However, it's easy to stand-out when all the other core X-Men books have been below par for a number of years. I actually found issue #1 of Red rather boring and sluggish, but it picked up in #2 and #3. On a scale out of 10 thus far, it's between 6.5 to 7.5. It's solid, and moving along nicely, but not as great as the reviewers are making it out to be either, but the potential is there.
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It's not about high praise ... it was about saying the story was consistent and stayed on point through out the story, and not getting worked up over a guy with a gun. That what was presented actually was within the story narrative. It may not be to everyone's liking but it isn't as horrendous as others are making out to be.
Edit: Actually the one thing I read this month that I found worse than the gun-guy, was crying Gambit in RG4. Crying Gambit bothers me greatly.
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It's not about high praise ... it was about saying the story was consistent and stayed on point through out the story, and not getting worked up over a guy with a gun. That what was presented actually was within the story narrative. It may not be to everyone's liking but it isn't as horrendous as others are making out to be.
Oh no, not horrendous at all, I'm in the camp that liked Gambit's appearance :)
It felt like more of a set-up for Gambit's intro, which is what I expected...and yes it does suit the tone of the narrative, in which Taylor is going for a political approach.
The series almost feels like a Bryan Singer X-Men film. Then again Singer directed 5 films without Gambit, so not a great example lol.
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Will give it this much, it's trending upward. 2 was better than 1 and 3 was better than 2. But better is relevant. It's not hard to be better than other X-Men books out there these days... I mean, have you read gold and blue? No. No you haven't. Which is my point. I personally didn't have a problem with the "gun-guy" scene. The guy was like 20 feet away from him with a gun in arm's reach. Yes, Gambit could have just chucked a card at him when he first pulled, but then he'd risk it going off into the crowd, which I believe is what he was trying to avoid. Once the gun went off, the bullet had to go somewhere and I think Gambit all of a sudden being able to draw his bo-staff, extend it and then deflect the bullet in less than a 1/15 of second, would have been hard to swallow. But I still found the whole thing "meh". If I could critique, I think it would have made more sense for Gambit to be in street cloths, unless he specifically showed up to help with the mob, which is 100% likely. So I guess, I agree with the outcome.
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Edit: Actually the one thing I read this month that I found worse than the gun-guy, was crying Gambit in RG4. Crying Gambit bothers me greatly.
Yeah, I have to agree. That was the one part that threw me in R+G #4.
Anyway, back to X-men: Red. I agree with DonPriceTag: why are kids on this team?
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Yeah, I have to agree. That was the one part that threw me in R+G #4.
I guess I could move those comments to the right thread. I'll consider it or just state it there and move on. We'll see, I'm fickle.
Anyway, back to X-men: Red. I agree with DonPriceTag: why are kids on this team?
I dunno, I think Marvel is still stuck on the school with actual kids theme - that is a school and not a cover. I blame Morrison for that nonsense. LOL
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@@&$&#$# Morrison...
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Here's Travis Charest's cover for the Annual.
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Can anyone spoil this great gambit entrance a few are mentioning?
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Can anyone spoil this great gambit entrance a few are mentioning?
Basically, there's a mob with tiki torches protesting mutants (in NO I wanna say?) and a mutant woman with wings confronts them. A guy in a truck gets out and pulls a gun on her. Gambit steps in (and tells the woman she should leave, but she stays) and Gambit and the guy have a stand off. Gambit tries to talk him down, but the guy fires and Gambit throws his cards. The guy goes down and the bullet misses Gambit, but when he looks back, he sees the woman got hit.
I'm probably missing a couple details, but that's the gist of it
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Basically, there's a mob with tiki torches protesting mutants (in NO I wanna say?) and a mutant woman with wings confronts them. A guy in a truck gets out and pulls a gun on her. Gambit steps in (and tells the woman she should leave, but she stays) and Gambit and the guy have a stand off. Gambit tries to talk him down, but the guy fires and Gambit throws his cards. The guy goes down and the bullet misses Gambit, but when he looks back, he sees the woman got hit.
I'm probably missing a couple details, but that's the gist of it
thanks bark.. What happened to the woman?
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Unfortunately, the woman died.
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Unfortunately, the woman died.
Awwwww darn.
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Yes, she should have been wearing a red shirt, just to make it obvious from the start.. ;)
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Yes, she should have been wearing a red shirt, just to make it obvious from the start.. ;)
Hah! Star Trek.
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Despite my many concerns with this book...
Amount of characters
Roster composition
Weird (weak) Character Connection
Shakey premise
Child Combatant (s)
Artwork
Dialogue
Not too subtle political satire
This book does visually look better with Storm being part of it... Have to admit that. Her presence at least addresses a couple of my aforementioned concerns. Taylor has yet to sell me on this yet. It's a visual medium that visually isn't impressive. To me anyway. Not for a flagship title.
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I won't be spending a dime on comics again unless Gambit is a lead or a main... or if there is a book that multiple people here say is definitely worth it.
So business as usual again, I guess.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dd0sIAEUwAA5xFF.jpg:large)
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Storm is officially joining Xmen Red, I got this from Tom Taylor's tweet.
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That is a gorgeous cover. Glad Storm's joining. Always liked her dynamic with Gambit
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The new costumes are fine... but why did they have to place that "X" on their stomachs like that?, because Jean's classic costume did?
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Storm looks absolutely stunning. Love the dynamic Jean, Gambit, Storm, Nightcrawler & Laura bring and excited to see them all interacting. Gabby is fun in a Molly from Runaways vibe and hopefully keeps the series from drowning in too much doom and gloom (which, I love the political angle. But there needs some lightness to balance some really heavy tones).
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Really cool costume for Storm.
Excited to see Gambit interact with Ororo and Laura.
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The new costumes are fine... but why did they have to place that "X" on their stomachs like that?, because Jean's classic costume did?
I'm not a fan of the X placement either. It's like my mind wants it to be a little lower, like on a belt or higher up on the chest
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Just had the chance to read X-Men Red 4... Still more bearable than the other titles I've read I'm yet to see how this issue is "better" than any other before it. The art is still very sloppy and rushed. Jean talks like a robot. Tom Taylor has gone from pay gap issues to Facebook's potential interference in the election. The dialogue is clunky and has an unnatural, artificial flow. The pacing, is ok, but again, the transition from one action panel to the next isn't great.
Still don't understand why there are children on this team for a very dangerous mission. It would make for a good subplot if someone had exceptions and needs to either be vindicated or won over. But we just have everyone being ok with it...
It was an ok read. I didn't read any of Tom Taylor before this and I'm not won over by his work thus far. It's mediocre.
Story (premise)- 2 (what does she mean by "Nation"?)
Art- 3 (dark, and sketchy)
Dialogue- 2 (robotic with attempts at humor)
Pacing- 4 (things do move forward successfully, but perhaps too fast?)
2.8 price tags out of 5.
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Agree. It is just ok for me too.
I hope next issue will change situation. Also I mostly like team. It is too big but will see what will happen next.
I think issue 1 was mymy favourite so far.
It is not great but better then other X team books right now.
Also it seems that RED is gathering more an army then a team. Roster is Huge.
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It was an ok read. I didn't read any of Tom Taylor before this and I'm not won over by his work thus far. It's mediocre.
I haven't read this issue yet, but Tom Taylor is usually a pretty solid writer. I know a lot of people (including myself) enjoyed his work on All New Wolverine. He's also usually pretty good with larger casts because he's also done well with the Injustice comics.
I'm not sure what it is about this series so far, though. Something just isn't clicking for me yet.
It is not great but better then other X team books right now.
Agreed (although I do like Astonishing). I was reading Gold off and on but don't really care of Guggenheim and I never tried out Blue, but I heard it's been getting worse and worse.
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I hear that his runs at DC have been great. But since he's been on Marvel the quality of his work has not been the same. I'd attribute that to the quality of the editors and how much control they have at DC compared to Marvel which are obviously more liberal and less controlling (and talented as many don't have any prior experience).
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So what's so mysterious about Gambit in X-men: Red? I say this because artist Mahmud Asrar posted this image (sans Gambit). Read his comment...
https://twitter.com/MahmudAsrar/status/1000001474267664385 (https://twitter.com/MahmudAsrar/status/1000001474267664385)
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So what's so mysterious about Gambit in X-men: Red? I say this because artist Mahmud Asrar posted this image (sans Gambit). Read his comment...
https://twitter.com/MahmudAsrar/status/1000001474267664385 (https://twitter.com/MahmudAsrar/status/1000001474267664385)
I think he will join next issue. Kinda funny that he appeared before Storm but she joined first.
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Well, he's got an official costume, so that means he'll join.
At the moment Gambit's story line is isolated. Might be like that for a little while, who knows? I've seen subplots written like that in other comics...
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Do you know if Remy has been dropped from the Red team? In the last issue, they had everyone on there as the “final team” but he wasn’t there :(
Kelly Thompson: He’s definitely still in X-Men Red. He was in the issue I just read this past week (it must have been issue 5 out next month?)
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Q: Breaks my heart to not see gambit in any upcoming books. But I'm still on the R&G mini high so at least I can imagine them together and happy off panel
Kelly Thompsom: Be patient and don’t give up hope. He’s had a decent push of late and I don’t think he’s done!
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It's still weird. There was no talk of Storm at all in the interviews and descriptions for this book, but she becomes a full-time member before Gambit who's already had his own cover?
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It's still weird. There was no talk of Storm at all in the interviews and descriptions for this book, but she becomes a full-time member before Gambit who's already had his own cover?
Own cover in a a new costume.
We will have previews this week.
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Own cover in a a new costume.
We will have previews this week.
Between this and what Asrar said, I think he'll still be in it. I doubt they would just get rid of him so suddenly.
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He will definetely join.
He was filmed on cameras in issue 3. I think it will play somehowe.
Maybe he will be more on his own mission in RED. I would be ok with that.
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He will definetely join.
He was filmed on cameras in issue 3. I think it will play somehowe.
Maybe he will be more on his own mission in RED. I would be ok with that.
I would definitely be down for that. Or something like he and Laura (and Gabby) go off and do their own thing
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I think he's definitely joining the team, I'm just a bit baffled as to why his storyline seems so secret. There really hasn't been any hints lately as to what he's going to be up to. I find it bizarre he's had more "screen time" in Gold (which isn't saying much) than the Red team he's actually supposed to be a member of.
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He doesn't appear in the annual but its still a good read
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He doesn't appear in the annual but its still a good read
Seriously? He's even on the cover isn't he? (Not that comic covers are usually accurate, but coooome ooooon). Taylor is making it harder and harder for me to defend him lol
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From what I hear he's in #5, I'll wait until then and see how we go.
I haven't read the annual, but it's a solid series so far, not mind-blowingly amazing...but solid. Obviously Jean's the big character, Storm...and I think Trinary will probably get a lot of focus (a new pet character who I couldn't give two figs about)
I'll wait until #5 to really get a grasp on Gambit's role. But yeah, this is why I wanted an R&G ongoing, because, y'know...we'd get 20 pages of Gambit a month.
**EDIT**
Now I probably sounded frustrated in my comment above, the reason being is that nothing irritates me more than having a favourite character on the cover of something...and he's not IN the book. This is where I get a little annoyed. We used to get a lot of this in X-Men Legacy.
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From what I hear he's in #5, I'll wait until then and see how we go.
I haven't read the annual, but it's a solid series so far, not mind-blowingly amazing...but solid. Obviously Jean's the big character, Storm...and I think Trinary will probably get a lot of focus (a new pet character who I couldn't give two figs about)
I'll wait until #5 to really get a grasp on Gambit's role. But yeah, this is why I wanted an R&G ongoing, because, y'know...we'd get 20 pages of Gambit a month.
**EDIT**
Now I probably sounded frustrated in my comment above, the reason being is that nothing irritates me more than having a favourite character on the cover of something...and he's not IN the book. This is where I get a little annoyed. We used to get a lot of this in X-Men Legacy.
I agrre. We need Gambit book that will give Gambit monthly fix. Fingers crossed for solo for Fall 2018
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He doesn't appear in the annual but its still a good read
WTH? He literally takes up a quarter of the cover and he doesn't even have a cameo in it? >:(
I agrre. We need Gambit book that will give Gambit monthly fix. Fingers crossed for solo for Fall 2018
I was really hoping the Gambit movie would start filming which would, hopefully, push Marvel into launching a new Gambit solo. *fingers crossed it happens regardless*
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The X-Men Red #5 preview is up... people over at CBR are swooning over the art... It's 'ight. I don't get the big deal. It's not the worst I've seen from this guy. Jean had what I call the "dead-eye" in one panel lol. Check it out.
https://13thdimension.com/exclusive-preview-x-men-red-5/ (https://13thdimension.com/exclusive-preview-x-men-red-5/)
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The art is so-so ... looks interesting. Guess we'll see. :)
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Ah...much better.
Not a bad little scene.
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Finally Gambit!
I liked previews.
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I really liked art in previews.
Gambit looks good.
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I really liked art in previews.
Gambit looks good.
I agree! The art can look a little rough in some places but I kinda like the facial expressions
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The art is great👍
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http://www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/2018/06/01/preview-x-men-red-6-welcomes-artist-carmen-carnero/ (http://www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/2018/06/01/preview-x-men-red-6-welcomes-artist-carmen-carnero/)
New artist for #6, really like the look of Gambit and it looks like he'll have a few lines.
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New artist Carmen carnero art from X-men Red #6
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New artist Carmen carnero art from X-men Red #6
Nice! I don't dislike the current art but that's definitely an improvement
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Liked previews for issue 6.
Art is better.
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New artist looks dope. She does/did great stuff over at DC. Glad to have her.
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Just read #5. Another fairly solid issue. Not mind-blowingly good, but certainly worthwhile.
The series reminds me a lot of Bryan Singer's take on X-Men in his movies, or how he would probably write X-Men in comic book form. Very similar to X-Men in the early 2000s (Morrison's NXM, Millar/Bendis Ult XM etc). Politically focused. Someone like Emma Frost would very much suit this book, because again it reminds of that 2001-2004 period...which was a bit of a "meh" time for me as an X-Fan personally. Even the covers have those boring single character portraits which was similar to Ultimate X-Men and Morrison's New X-Men. But anyway...
That said, everyone's perfectly in character. Gambit is certainly not wallpaper, his scenes matter, which is what I'm really after here. Solid 7/10 book.
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My personal favorite thus far in the series, besides some little annoyances like using X-Men cliches (to me my x-men), I'm not really impressed with pet-sentinel part III, the mutant nation being more of a "thing" than I thought it was and I kinda miss Namor's arrogance, but his entrance was pretty dope. Commanding and strong. Laura's personality is way too even-keeled (even bland). I didn't read his solo with her, so I dont know if this something she grew into, but I'm not used to her being subdued. He doesnt seem to know what to do with Gabby. In the Annual he had Jean leave her behind, but there she is again, taking her into the fray. I think Gambit and Storm should have had more interaction. I would have liked if Taylor had her talk him into joining up, not just falling in without even being asked. Like... he's got nothing else going on. -sigh- All in all, solid issue; 3.5 out of 5.
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It was my fave issue so far too.
It wasn`t mindblowing but RED is definetely much better then current X-Men team books.
Also I liked art. Some panels is rushed. But overall I liked Asrar on this book.
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I finally got around to reading issue #5 and...it was okay. The art was solid. Liked it a lot. Not nearly enough Gambit though; he was just kind of "bamfed" into the team, LOL, no real questions asked. And Jean bringing kids to a gun fight? Well, I guess Logan's progeny can take it...?
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People are speculating Red will become X-Force after Cho posted a sketch of Jean he's doing for an X-Force Cover. Either that, or there is going to be a new X-Force book
Edit: It's for Extermination
Here's the post:
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It is a variant for x-termination.
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It is a variant for x-termination.
You're right. He just edited his post on FB to say that.
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I am glad that RED won't be relaunched. I am interested to see what Taylor has planned for such a big team.
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Same here. Although, it is a little strange that Red will be the only "Color" book if Gold and Blue are both ending
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I haven't been following Red, does Gambit make any worthy appearances yet, to justify picking up any issues before this point?
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He's been in it twice... the book is a monthly with no less than 9-characters. His importance has yet to be seen. Art should be getting better, so thats a plus, but if your not interested in having social issues and international news topics integrated into your action comic, Taylor's writing may irk you. Gambit is the only thing keeping this book on my list.
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What Don said. I've been enjoying it because I like a lot of the other characters in addition to Gambit and I kind of like the social commentary. If you're only interested in Gambit, though, it's probably not worth it.
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Kind of a bummer how little Gambit's been in it so far.. but I do REALLY like the cast. However, when I saw who made up the cast, it excited me because I wanted Remy to interact with all of them. Can't happen if he's only in two of the six (five?) total issues out so far.
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Kind of a bummer how little Gambit's been in it so far.. but I do REALLY like the cast. However, when I saw who made up the cast, it excited me because I wanted Remy to interact with all of them. Can't happen if he's only in two of the six (five?) total issues out so far.
Yeah, apart from Jean I think he's only barely said a few words to Laura and Gabby?
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If you are a Gambit only fan then not worth picking up. This feels like a book that reads better in trade where you don't have to wait for your favorite character to make an appearance or do something.
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If you are a Gambit only fan then not worth picking up. This feels like a book that reads better in trade where you don't have to wait for your favorite character to make an appearance or do something.
So Astonishing where Gambit populates the background and gives the team lectures and #&#&. Sweet. Good times.
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So Astonishing where Gambit populates the background and gives the team lectures and #&#&. Sweet. Good times.
If you are referring to Liu then I didn't have a problem with his role in the book. Liu's Gambit was unlike any other Gambit before from his mentoring of X-23 to his mentoring of the team in AXM. I will take small doses of that over large doses of the same old sh*t anyday.
Liu's Gambit had people's trust in a way he has rarely been shown in the books. No matter how great KT writes Romy, at best it will just be a rehash of stuff we have already seen. There is only so much tolerance that I have for the same old thief with a heart of gold playing sidekick to Rogue story. Gambit's slowly turning into a character from a horrible romance novel where his only value is in the fact he is the paramour of the heroine.
So frankly Gambit will benefit simply from the fact he is away from Rogue in Red. Whether I support it is simply a matter of how much he is in the book but I don't have a problem picking up a book sparingly or in trade and waiting on the issues where Gambit features as I did that in the 90s as he wasn't showing up in every issue.
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I liked Gambit in Liu's AXM. He was strong and confident.
If RED would deliver such Remy then I would be happy.
Will see how he will be written with team.
So far he was just on his own in RED.
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Agreed, will have to wait and see how he fares in Red now that he is on his team and what exactly his role will be.
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Right... Right, what did he do in Astonishing, again? Just a beat. Because all I can remember him doing was be drawn with the most rectangular shoulders in history and acquiring 3 cats. Think he talked to Bobby about darkness (which was never addressed within him) and drank wine with Cecelia in the beginning. I honestly can't remember if he fought the Marauders or not in that issue...
Wait, I'm remembering something... He threw a card at Iceman's foot.
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Right... Right, what did he do in Astonishing, again? Just a beat. Because all I can remember him doing was be drawn with the most rectangular shoulders in history and acquiring 3 cats. Think he talked to Bobby about darkness (which was never addressed within him) and drank wine with Cecelia in the beginning. I honestly can't remember if he fought the Marauders or not in that issue...
Wait, I'm remembering something... He threw a card at Iceman's foot.
He charged giant foot.
I dunno. He wasn't the main character but he was written well always. And his dialogues was important. Not just where we should go or how we can do this type of questions.
Definetely it could be better. But overall I liked it.
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He charged giant foot.
I dunno. He wasn't the main character but he was written well always. And his dialogues was important. Not just where we should go or how we can do this type of questions.
Definetely it could be better. But overall I liked it.
hmm... who was the main character in that book.
I find it odd, that you we're singing it's praises but when it was ongoing, we were all in the same opinion of how disappointed we were by Gambit's role, or lack thereof, especially with what the Dark Iceman arc was about (seeing as it should have had more of him in it due to being affected by the death seed himself) and because we were all waiting for this "Gambit Arc" that was promised to us during it's run.
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Gambit's role in Astonishing wasn't exactly bad IMO, it was just small and forgettable. I was all excited about it back then because of how well Liu had written him in X-23 (although if I have one complaint about Liu is that her Gambit was a little bit too nice) but it just didn't deliver. He did nothing outstanding or memorable and he wouldn't have to had his development been better. Honestly when I think of it all I remember is his dull relationship with Cecilia Reyes that went nowhere.
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Right... Right, what did he do in Astonishing, again? Just a beat. Because all I can remember him doing was be drawn with the most rectangular shoulders in history and acquiring 3 cats. Think he talked to Bobby about darkness (which was never addressed within him) and drank wine with Cecelia in the beginning. I honestly can't remember if he fought the Marauders or not in that issue...
Wait, I'm remembering something... He threw a card at Iceman's foot.
He developed relationships with Northstar, Iceman, Karma and Cecelia. He provided advice to all of them and was respected by his teammates. He was no longer a pariah or merely Rogue's on again/off again boyfriend.
I get that for people that only want him to hold Rogue's drink while she does everything that may not mean much but for me I enjoyed reading it. What did he do in the mini aside from cry about carrying all the baggage while waiting for Rogue to make a decision? Oh great he was able to beat up powered down versions of himself and Rogue. And hurt a character who was as threatening as one of his kittens. Great whoop. In any event, To each his/her own.
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He developed relationships with Northstar, Iceman, Karma and Cecelia. He provided advice to all of them and was respected by his teammates. He was no longer a pariah or merely Rogue's on again/off again boyfriend.
I get that for people that only want him to hold Rogue's drink while she does everything that may not mean much but for me I enjoyed reading it. What did he do in the mini aside from cry about carrying all the baggage while waiting for Rogue to make a decision? Oh great he was able to beat up powered down versions of himself and Rogue. And hurt a character who was as threatening as one of his kittens. Great whoop. In any event, To each his/her own.
Noone talks about Rogue here. Relax it is not cbr.
It is a polite place for Gambit fans.
Noone wants him just to hold Rogue's drink.
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Noone talks about Rogue here. Relax it is not cbr.
It is a polite place for Gambit fans.
Noone wants him just to hold Rogue's drink.
Really? What has been released by Marvel regarding the new book that was Gambit focused? That promo art in the other thread was of Gambit wrapped in a blanket? The NYT times article was about Gambit's POV about the wedding?
I made a comment about X-men Red not AXM. Don P brought up AXM by way of comparison and I think it is fair game to point out the biggest draw of AXM and X-men Red is that they do no involve Rogue. Gambit got to build other relationships.
So again, to each his her own. We don't have to like the same things and I will defend X-men Red and AXM just like you guys will defend Rogue and her sidekick in that other book. It is what it is.
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Really? What has been released by Marvel regarding the new book that was Gambit focused? That promo art in the other thread was of Gambit wrapped in a blanket? The NYT times article was about Gambit's POV about the wedding?
I made a comment about X-men Red not AXM. Don P brought up AXM by way of comparison and I think it is fair game to point out the biggest draw of AXM and X-men Red is that they do no involve Rogue. Gambit got to build other relationships.
So again, to each his her own. We don't have to like the same things and I will defend X-men Red and AXM just like you guys will defend Rogue and her sidekick in that other book. It is what it is.
We are all Gambit fans here. Telling that someone here just want Gambit to hold Rogue' s drinks is ridiculous.
Respect other posters and they will respect you.
Your Rogue hate shouldn't influance on how you speak with other posters.
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Gambit was with Storm and X 23 on prevoius monday. This monday we got Rogue pic.
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He developed relationships with Northstar, Iceman, Karma and Cecelia. He provided advice to all of them and was respected by his teammates. He was no longer a pariah or merely Rogue's on again/off again boyfriend.
I get that for people that only want him to hold Rogue's drink while she does everything that may not mean much but for me I enjoyed reading it. What did he do in the mini aside from cry about carrying all the baggage while waiting for Rogue to make a decision? Oh great he was able to beat up powered down versions of himself and Rogue. And hurt a character who was as threatening as one of his kittens. Great whoop. In any event, To each his/her own.
Why do you have to make everything about Rogue? No one was talking about her here.
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...I brought up AXM to compare his usage rate and what he actually did while on that cast. A book where he was barely utilized past being a voice of reason (sometimes). I drew the comparison because of the cast size. If he was barely used there, I can't imagine what's going to happen in a book the size of Red. Saying he developed friendships? I guess that'd be fair if the happenings in that book were even acknowledged past him receiving those cats (Bendis completely invalidated the book's biggest arc with Iceman dealing with his past relationships). Basically, Gambit was in the whole run and didnt do a thing worthy of note past some interactions, as you described. Lui said we were to get a whole arc revolving around him, but that didnt happen. I don't understand why you are getting so worked up over it. I clearly remember you being as unimpressed then. I didn't think it'd irk you, at all. You seem to be taking this as a personal attack? My apologies.
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We are all Gambit fans here. Telling that someone here just want Gambit to hold Rogue' s drinks is ridiculous.
Respect other posters and they will respect you.
Your Rogue hate shouldn't influance on how you speak with other posters.
Don P was obviously being dismissive of Gambit's role in the book and so I responded that I would rather he give the team lectures than hold Rogue's drink. Not sure what there is to get emotional about. I responded in the manner in which I was engaged. Shots were fired and I fired back. Having said that, I don't care that Don P was being flippant as I considered it to be a simple tit for tat exchange. Ya'll getting all bent outta shape about it as if Rogue is a real person whose feelings will be hurt.
So Astonishing where Gambit populates the background and gives the team lectures and #&#&. Sweet. Good times.
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...I brought up AXM to compare his usage rate and what he actually did while on that cast. A book where he was barely utilized past being a voice of reason (sometimes). I drew the comparison because of the cast size. If he was barely used there, I can't imagine what's going to happen in a book the size of Red. Saying he developed friendships? I guess that'd be fair if the happenings in that book were even acknowledged past him receiving those cats (Bendis completely invalidated the book's biggest arc with Iceman dealing with his past relationships). Basically, Gambit was in the whole run and didnt do a thing worthy of note past some interactions, as you described. Lui said we were to get a whole arc revolving around him, but that didnt happen. I don't understand why you are getting so worked up over it. I clearly remember you being as unimpressed then. I didn't think it'd irk you, at all. You seem to be taking this as a personal attack? My apologies.
I didn't take it as a personal attack. I simply responded in kind. For Gambit fans, I think sometimes you guys get a bit too worked up anytime someone says something about Rogue or Romy. 90% of the time I am just messing around with the stuff I say but it is like all the Romy or Rogue fans fly off the handle.
And no you are misrembering, I was always fond of Liu's run and defended it back then as I am now. I enjoyed his relationship with CeCe while most including Neko did not if I recall. I also enjoyed his relationship with Karma which is why to this day, any put together a team thread, I always include Karma with Gambit. If I had to rank my favorite Gambit books of the last 10 years, it would have to be X-23, the solo and Liu's AXM in that order.
So I think we just fundamentally disagree on what makes a good Gambit book. I am not interested in feats or him appearing all the time. I am interested in relationships and his relationships in that book surpass any of the nonsense with Rogue the past decade including KT's mini. We just want different things for Gambit which is perfectly fine.
Finally, the fact no other writer picked it up has nothing to do with the value of the story as Marvel sucks. You have said so many times. No writer has picked up Gambit as the true king of Thieves so does that mean I shouldn't enjoy the solo? And let's be real, if nothing ever came of the KT mini, many of you would still have enjoyed it as ya'll said so at the time. I don't judge stories based on whether a poorly run organization like Marvel continues them in other books.
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I didn't take it as a personal attack. I simply responded in kind. For Gambit fans, I think sometimes you guys get a bit too worked up anytime someone says something about Rogue or Romy. 90% of the time I am just messing around with the stuff I say but it is like all the Romy or Rogue fans fly off the handle.
I haven't talked about Rogue yet, this is a Red thread. She's not in this book. Didn't even bring it up, so I don't get this "you guys". Your the only one that even went there. Your the only one bringing anything Romy on this page. I think thou protest too much. I think your being tad bit too protective and worrying a little too much about my opinion. If you enjoyed the book, fine. I think it was a bit long winded and boring for the most part, especially considering Gambit. Your aren't the book, so I don't understand as to why you got the way you did. I wasn't talking about you.
Shots fired? At whom? I had no idea you felt so passionately about Lui's AXM. And I was very disappointed that she didn't come through on her promise for a Gambit arc, a promise she made after fans asked why he wasn' getting a bigger part in her arcs following her great X-23 run with him.
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I haven't talked about Rogue yet, this is a Red thread. She's not in this book. Didn't even bring it up, so I don't get this "you guys". Your the only one that even went there. Your the only one bringing anything Romy on this page. I think thou protest too much. I think your being tad bit too protective and worrying a little too much about my opinion. If you enjoyed the book, fine. I think it was a bit long winded and boring for the most part, especially considering Gambit. Your aren't the book, so I don't understand as to why you got the way you did. I wasn't talking about you.
You are right, this is a Red thread so not sure why AXM was brought up. You made a comparison to AXM and I countered with a comparison to stories about Romy. You find AXM boring so I countered that I find Romy stories tired and boring. That is entirely fair for me to do. Once comparisons are thrown out, I am not required to limit myself to only the comparison you brought up. The point was we all find different things boring, exciting, etc. One of the reasons Red or AXM appeals to me and Gambit fans like me is precisely because it excludes Rogue and that is an entirely valid point to bring up.
And you guys aren't Rogue but on multiple occasions now anytime I bring up something I don't like, people seem entitled to respond by complaining about the fact I don't like what they like.
I don't think you want me to quote all the examples of Rogue and Romy fans taking things personally so perhaps we should all collectively respect the fact that we aren't going to all like the same things because right now we have a lot of pots talking to kettles about who is blacker.
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Rogue wasnt in AXM either. Not this vol anyway. But Gambit is, and played a support role on a large cast. Similarly to Red (similar, because I've never seen a book out side of Gen-X be this big). Again, with the "you guys" your talking to two other people here and the only reason Rogue got brought up was because you dragged the topic in it. I'm still not talking about Rogue.
You seem to be bringing in your conversations and experiences from other threads (and possibly other sites), and arguments and trying to use them here for reasons I don't get. I'm not arguing Rogue here. No one is. I don't see the point of even bringing that up? You and I have done nothing but talk Red and AXM, neither of which have anything to do with that. I'm not trying to change your mind on Rogue. Why would I care to? You've made your stance clear. I respect that.
My stance: Im not impressed with Red thus far from a narrative or artistic standpoint. I'm only reading it because Gambit is in it, but with such a large cast I'm not optimistic about how much he's going to be used (which again, is the only reason I'm still reading aka spending my money). If his usage rate and the manner in which utilized is anything like Lui's, or heck, Soule's, both of which had smaller casts, I'll be taking it off of my pull list.
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That is exactly right. Rogue wasn't in AXM either which is precisely my point as to one of the reasons I enjoyed it. Again you expressed your opinion that you found AXM boring and that Red may be going down the same route. I responded by saying the reason why I enjoyed AXM and why I will give Red a chance is precisely because Rogue is not in it.
There is no way for me to explain why I liked AXM and why I am willing to give Red a chance without bringing up the fact that Rogue is not in it. That is the part of the appeal and it is entirely fair game for me to explain that in response to your point about AXM being boring. It was not boring to me because I liked his relationships with characters not named Rogue particularly CeCe and Karma. How else am I suppose to explain that without mentioning the elephant in the room?
Here let's make this simple. If you respond to me about a book that does not involve Rogue, be prepared for me to point out one of the draws of the book for me is that it does not involve Rogue. That will be a constant point in the favor of any book that does not involve Rogue. The only thing worse to me than Gambit having a small role is Gambit playing second fiddle to Rogue which he did in Soule's book and which he did in the mini no matter how many panels he may have been in.
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Your reading a book... Because someones not in it? To each his own, but that sounds expensive and time consuming. I'm a little different. I read comics that appeal to me. I think red is lackluster but I was giving it a shot because Gambit is in it, same as Soule's Axm. But like Soule's AXM, if it continues to suck I'll drop it like a bad habit. I will say, red is slightly better than Soule's book. Blue and Gold don't appeal to me and there are no characters in them I care for, so they don't get my attention until they change narrative or add some characters I want to follow. Red is good until he Taylor starts talking about wage gaps, Facebook and immigration. I can't really stand Gabby's cutesy, I can't believe we're doing Pet Sentinel, again. Jean is not really acting like herself and sometimes it seems Taylor forgets how to use contractions but that's just a pet peeve. The art is not good imo for a flagship book, but that seems to be changing. We'll see, I guess.
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No I am flipping through it in the comic book store because Gambit is in it and Rogue is not. I will pick it up in trade if I end up liking Gambit's overall portrayal. We had two books with Gambit and Rogue and neither ended up appealing to me. Soule was hot garbage and KT's mini while well written basically ignored any issue Gambit should have with Rogue and focused entirely on Rogue deeming Gambit worthy right down to a villain being created specifically to solve her issues with Gambit. The whole story was contrived as a result. There was nothing organic about the resolution as KT created a character that never existed before to solve the issue rather than Gambit actively taking part in any resolution.
I know this will sound strange but I flipped through the Rogue and Gambit mini expecting Rogue and Gambit to solve their issues. Instead I got Rogue and Lavish solving Rogue's issues.
And I enjoy Red precisely because it has the social commentary so again you and I just like different things. No biggie.
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...why are we still talking about- nevermind. Yes, that last part of your post, that's fine. I don't have a problem social issues being used in books, it's been done for ages. It'd just the way Taylor does it is so hamfisted I might as well be watching TYT on YouTube (which I do, however you have to do it small doses. They lean a bit hard) lol
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I don't find it hamfisted at all but I suspect that is because our respective politics are decidedly different which is fine. To each his/her own.
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Well I'm a black Democrat son of an immigrant and husband of an immigrant. It's not the subject matter, it's the uncreative way he presents it to the readers. Doesn't even try to tie it into the story and he doesn't even stick to one subject longer than an issue. And odd thing about it, he's trying to be cleaver, or thinks he is when in my opinion it's blatantly obvious. Its distracting. From what I've been told of his past stuff at DC, I'm underwhelmed.
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Thought what he did tied into the story quite fine. Made perfect sense to me for Trinary to want to address the wage gap in India and I never expected her to get it right as she is still a kid essentially and one person can't fix massive societal issues but I fully expect a kid to try once given the power to do so.
The stance on immigration is also perfect in keeping with a world that fears and hates mutants and it would be odd to me if he didn't address it given how it is current events and the fact that it is most definitely the case that there is an element of the right that demonizes immigrants.
He is a writer. He is not required to offer a balanced view and most of the complaints I have heard about the social commentary is that it is too liberal. My response is the X-men has been liberal since its existence.
So again I think we just fundamentally disagree. Think his social commentary has been spot on.
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But that's thing. Its not the subject matter that turns me off, it's the manner in which it's used and presented. What he's talking about doesn't bother me, I just think it's not being executed creatively. Just making sure you understand my issue. I don't think you do because you bring up other people talking about how liberal he is and his stance on immigration. That's not my angle. So far I just think his scripting is... Kinda corny.
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But that's thing. Its not the subject matter that turns me off, it's the manner in which it's used and presented. What he's talking about doesn't bother me, I just think it's not being executed creatively. Just making sure you understand my issue. I don't think you do because you bring up other people talking about how liberal he is and his stance on immigration. That's not my angle. So far I just think his scripting is... Kinda corny.
Perhaps I am not getting your gripe.
1. Wage Gap - If I imagine a young female technopath trying to address a massive societal issue then I think the way Taylor had Trinary address it is exactly what I would expect so not sure why that isn't creative. Her simple and flawed solution to a complex problem is precisely what I would expect someone with her inexperience to come up with. So what is your concern here?
2. Facebook - I honestly don't remember this one so not sure I can relate to it impacting me one way or the other.
3. Immigration - I thought the stuff with the protests, the mutant being shot and the Polish army were very relevant and creative. So again not sure what the issue is with respect to it. It is clear the mutant narrative in the comics is very similar to the rhetoric we see today in the US and throughout Europe vis a vi immigration.
So yeah I am not getting what you expected or wanted as to be honest you only broadly stated it was uncreative with no actual explanation as to how you arrived at that conclusion so I confess I am just speculating as to what your concerns are.
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I don't have concerns, I just think his ideas to drive the actual storylines aren't all that interesting. Everything is on the nose. He might as well be ranting on Twitter because Jean just comes off as a mouth piece.
1. Trinary. I get her plight, and see the villainy in how she was handled but... To bring attention to one problem, she potentially crippled her country's economy? That's cyber terrorism, but I'm supposed to her as a protagonist? I could get with it if she was called out on it, but it's just waved off. She's a kid and made a mistake. Had the narrative addressed it, it could have been a learning experience for the character, but no.
2. The Facebook thing was just one or two pages at most, not a plot but it was a eye roll moment for me that took me out of the story.
3. The immigration portion was least of the gripes in terms of narration, again it's just something that came out of nowhere. He seems to bounce from one virtue to another each book instead weaving a story throughout. It's like each book is treated as a one-off story with minor connecting tissue. I'm glad Nightcrawler asked Jean about what she did but her explanation didn't really validate what she did. She did something wrong to prevent something worse. I hope it's brought up again because it'd be the books first moment of real subplotting. However it led to Namors dope entrance. That was good.
As being creative and telling a story there are several or more things that bother me about this book, such as;
The amount of untrained children involved. Gabby (trained but still 13), Gentle and Trinary should not be on this type of action team. Gentle has no interest in this life; just because Gabby is indestructible doesnt mean it's ok to deliberately put her in harm's way. Trinary is 100% untrained. Laura is a kid (nxm age so more than 18-19) too but at least more experienced than some full time X-Men.
X-Men Pet Sentinel #3, not counting Omega Sentinel.
Gambit sneaking into the hospital... Wearing a surgical mask. Gambits mouth isn't the part of him that needs to be hidden. After he meets up with the team, he goes from wearing street clothes to full uniform in as many panels. That's just being picky but what the hell was that about. It's like I'm missing a page.
The fact that Jean was even entertained by this "mutant nation" idea, which I still think nonsensical. Somehow she's been able to make a friend of Atlantis and Wakanda two nation's while not currently at war, but not allies at all. If it was brought up then that would have been something but it was just; "Jean is so awesome and impressive shes made allies of two of the strongest nation's in the world! Why? Because!" I haven't seen Tchalla act so welcoming in a long time.
There are a lot of things in the book that just don't jive with my taste of storytelling. It's all too easy, without acknowledging why it's so easy. I don't like his scripting. Don't get me started on the art. So glad this new chick is coming in. I've seen her work and it's heads and shoulders better than whos been used. Looking forward to that.
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1. There is that saying about not throwing stones when you live in a glass house. Your favorite character is a thief and head of an international Thieves Guild. The X-men have no official sanction from any government most of the time so a large part of what they do would be considered terrorism. They also routinely allow mass murderers, rapists, and all manner of criminals into their ranks allowing them to escape punishment. So if you can still see Gambit and the X-men as protagonists then forgive me but I am still at a loss. I think Taylor's narrative is fine and in keeping with the history of the X-men. I think you just have issues with the politics of it and the fact it was more obviously taking from current events. Mind you I have no problem with you feeling whichever way you want about it. I am just explaining why I categorically disagree with you. What Trinary did pales in comparison to me than all the crap the X-men have done without it being addressed.
2. Fair enough!
3. I don't think Jean did anything wrong at all. She acted in defense of others which is entirely in keeping with the legal and moral framework of the civilized world. By rights, she could have killed those soldiers as they were about to commit mass murder. No one bats an eye when Wolverine kills to protect others yet someone Jean putting thoughts in people's heads but still allowing them to choose is some grave sin? Sorry not buying it.
4. How old was Kitty? Or the O5? Again this is a staple of X-men. Gabby is less likely to die than Kitty or any of the O5 as Kitty can be killed by being taken by surprise before she can phase. Gentle is not a kid, tough to kill and frankly needs a purpose. Trinary is on the team because she was caught up in the circumstances and her skill set is necessary for the team to succeed given the sentinite. She also has not been put in any direct conflict beyond her being broken out of a hell hole where she was going to be forced to do the bidding of evil men as she hung back when they engaged the Polish Army. Having said that, it is fine if you don't like the amount of kids on the team. That is ultimately down to preference. I had far more issues with Cyke having Idie on his team because she was clearly mentally unstable. I don't see that with Gabby, Gentle, or Trinary. For me, at the end of the day, kids in harm's way is an indelible feature of the X-men. The distinction is how they are deployed and whether they are mentally fit.
5. Don't care about the sentinel. It is a tool. To me, this would be like complaining that the good guys use guns. But again personal preference so to each his/her own.
6. Yeah don't care about the change in wardrobe.
7. Jean getting the aid of Tchalla and Namor was contrived and quick. I agree. Sort of like how KT just magically created a villain perfect for that woman who shall not be named to get over her issues with Gambit. In the end, the difference is down to preference. Tchalla and Namor bother you in the same way that Lavish and the sweeping under the ruge of all the sh*t that woman that shall not be named did annoys me. So again to each his/her own.
I suppose in the end, while I will still trade wait until I see how Gambit's role evolves, Red jives more with my taste than it does yours. Such is life. I don't have any major problems with it at the moment beyond the fact I would like to see more Gambit but so far at least Gambit can just be Gambit. It is currently my only hope to get the Gambit I envision even if it is just small doses rather than the caricature of Gambit when he is with that woman who shall not be named.
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As for Jean, you say that as if it's an outside concern created by readers. Taylor seems to think it was worth mentioning because he used Nightcrawler to sow doubt in the action, your "not buying" my concern, your not going with Taylor's, again I hope this is brought up again.
With Trinary, whats your point? Because the X-Men do it, I'm supposed to be ok with it? There's ton of things I don't understand with the X-Men, and thats because the X-Men are a revolving group of characters written by a revolving group of creators. There's going to be some drop of in logic, but the morals of the X-Men not withstanding, I don't have to be ok with what she did. It wasn't heroic, it was nonsense to work into the plot as if she was a victim. Only thing is, she should have been put in a jail, not a safe house waiting to exploited for her powers (which she used). What the X-Men do have nothing to do with logic behind her actions. Gambit has had to answer for his wrong doings on several occasions, twice in his solo alone lol. Trinary is being treated like some sort of freedom-fighter. It'd be like setting a police car on fire because a (not that one) assaulted your brother, and saying I should be ok with it because one of my teammates did something worse but I'm still playing with him. Its not the character's fault for existing, it's just patchy writing.
Again, the age of Kitty and the O5, don't make it any better. Among a host of other things, Xavier has been called out for putting children on the frontlines on several occasions (creating child soldiers). It's one of the reasons they (the X-Men) flirted with the idea of putting Kitty with the New Mutants (who like Gen-X weren't supposed to be an action team, but due to being a comic book routinely found themselves in the fire). And I never defended Lavish, this might be my first time even typing the characters name, so you can't use that to justify Namor/T'challa to me (I really think you get me mixed up with other Romy fans. I guess because I didn't hate the mini I'm Spasticat; no offense to her, I'm pretty even keel about the whole thing, so constantly bringing it in our conversations isnt really doing anything on my end.). She was a walking plot device in a five part mini that just effected two characters. Namor and T'challa move the Marvel universe with the storylines. Big difference
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You said the following,
I'm glad Nightcrawler asked Jean about what she did but her explanation didn't really validate what she did. She did something wrong to prevent something worse.
That is your opinion on it not Taylor's and it is that opinion I don't agree with. I was fine with NC bringing it up and I was fine with Jean's response for the reasons I stated.
As for Trinary, you said you can't buy her as a protagonist because she is a cyber terrorist. My point is that really can't solely be it because you clearly enjoy the X-men and Gambit as protagonists despite them being thieves, criminals, murderers and terrorists. The point isn't that you approve of their actions. The point is you still read and enjoyed stories where these things occurred.
No one said the age of Kitty and the O5 make it any better. My point is you still read the comics did you not? So again why all of a sudden is it an issue? It is not a question of whether you agree with child soldiers. It is more so, it never stopped you from reading the comics before. I don't agree with child soldiers either but I still read the X-men who employ child soldiers all the time because I accept a bit of suspension of disbelief. Unless their use of child soldiers is so off putting like when they used a mentally unstable Idie.
I never claimed you defended Lavish. Further I never defended Tchalla and Namor. In fact, I specifically said I agreed with you. I simply pointed out that despite agreeing with you, it doesn't bother me that much just like I know you enjoyed the mini despite the incredibly contrived villain Lavish. The point was not to say you defended Lavish or to disagree with you. The point was to say how big of a deal these contrived things are to us is entirely down to other factors than the fact it is contrived. In short, I would argue terrorism, criminal activity, child soldiers, and plot contrivances are a core feature of the X-men books. So those can't really be reasons you aren't feeling Taylor. For example, my not liking Lavish is not because I abhor all plot contrivances. It is because it was done specifically for the benefit of she who shall not be named and rendered Gambit the third wheel in his own supposed relationship. If not for that, I would have dismissed this plot contrivance like I dismiss many others.
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You said the following,
I'm glad Nightcrawler asked Jean about what she did but her explanation didn't really validate what she did. She did something wrong to prevent something worse.
That is your opinion on it not Taylor's and it is that opinion I don't agree with. I was fine with NC bringing it up and I was fine with Jean's response for the reasons I stated.
As for Trinary, you said you can't buy her as a protagonist because she is a cyber terrorist. My point is that really can't solely be it because you clearly enjoy the X-men and Gambit as protagonists despite them being thieves, criminals, murderers and terrorists. The point isn't that you approve of their actions. The point is you still read and enjoyed stories where these things occurred.
No one said the age of Kitty and the O5 make it any better. My point is you still read the comics did you not? So again why all of a sudden is it an issue? It is not a question of whether you agree with child soldiers. It is more so, it never stopped you from reading the comics before. I don't agree with child soldiers either but I still read the X-men who employ child soldiers all the time because I accept a bit of suspension of disbelief. Unless their use of child soldiers is so off putting like when they used a mentally unstable Idie.
I never claimed you defended Lavish. Further I never defended Tchalla and Namor. In fact, I specifically said I agreed with you. I simply pointed out that despite agreeing with you, it doesn't bother me that much just like I know you enjoyed the mini despite the incredibly contrived villain Lavish. The point was not to say you defended Lavish or to disagree with you. The point was to say how big of a deal these contrived things are to us is entirely down to other factors than the fact it is contrived. In short, I would argue terrorism, criminal activity, child soldiers, and plot contrivances are a core feature of the X-men books. So those can't really be reasons you aren't feeling Taylor. For example, my not liking Lavish is not because I abhor all plot contrivances. It is because it was done specifically for the benefit of she who shall not be named and rendered Gambit the third wheel in his own supposed relationship. If not for that, I would have dismissed this plot contrivance like I dismiss many others.
So you don't believe my reasons? Wow. Ok. You can have this. And no, I didn't read X-Men when Kitty was in the X-Men title (80s). I'm 34 not 44. And I'm still reading this book, haven't stopped yet. I already said its better than AXM and I admit it's the best of the line at the moment, in terms of the "colored" books (but the bar isn't all that high so...). Just not enough to keep me at this rate, but I'm optimistic, mostly due to the change in artist and this last issue was the best of the series thus far. I bought the book(s), something you haven't done yet by your own admission (trade watching, was it?). So I'm more committed to the series than you, funny enough. I don't have to agree with it and my reasons are valid enough for my tastes and how much I'm willing to hand-wave off. Those are my reasons for not being sold on the book yet. I don't like his scripting or generally his pacing thus far. I think it's pie. You asked me to explain (or implied I hadnt yet), I did. Accept it. or not. Your choice buck-o. Enjoy.
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I am saying your stated reasons have existed in the books since the X-men were created so sure it seems odd to be that concerned about it now but you are entitled to your opinion. Hence why I said to each his own. My saying I disagree doesn't invalidate your opinion. It just means I disagree.
And sure you are more committed to the books than me. Never disputed that. I don't buy Marvel anymore.
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RED 6 Preview
Sooo, do you think it is Gambit?[/size]On fist page Gambit headshot is the last one. Even after Gentle and Gabby.[/color]
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Gambit was with the rest of the team in that black and white preview that came out some time ago.
However, if it were Gambit, one could hope that he is tricking Nova somehow and not being mind controlled like an idiot again... That's probably too much to ask.
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If it’s Gambit, he’s not wearing a wedding ring.
And if this is before he joined, how would Cassandra known Jean Grey and the Red crew would bother to care enough about some protest in New Orleans that they’d stop by and recruit Gambit? Aren’t protests happening all over? Like, we see another one in Chicago in Extermination.
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Nova's uber powerful, there's not really any shame, so to speak, in getting controlled by her. Though gambit's has been drawn different hair in red.
Edit:stupid autocorrect...
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It might just be the art, but that seems like a kid in the preview, someone way younger than Gambit. But, at the same time, I've also noticed that they've been portraying Gambit as being less muscular than usual.
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If it’s Gambit, he’s not wearing a wedding ring.
And if this is before he joined, how would Cassandra known Jean Grey and the Red crew would bother to care enough about some protest in New Orleans that they’d stop by and recruit Gambit? Aren’t protests happening all over? Like, we see another one in Chicago in Extermination.
Could be she found out they were going to Nola and that scene is Gambit being dejected that the mutant died and CN caught him at a low point. That then is the reason why he goes to the hospital because he knows from CN that JG is headed there. Remember he meets JG and her team at the hospital and no telling how long they have been there. Of course just speculating.
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Could be she found out they were going to Nola and that scene is Gambit being dejected that the mutant died and CN caught him at a low point. That then is the reason why he goes to the hospital because he knows from CN that JG is headed there. Remember he meets JG and her team at the hospital and no telling how long they have been there. Of course just speculating.
I still don't get how CN could have known JG and co would be there. I'm not that well-versed on her powers, but would she have been able to known through her telepathy?
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Or she could just have someone tracking them or planted something on Storm. Any number of ways I suppose.
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Yeah, that would probably make more sense
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So just flipped through Red.
Jean says she is glad Gambit is there because she needs him to steal something. She then entrusts him with a team to lead on the mission. X-23 also gives Gambit's props as one of the best thieves on the planet when she instructs Gabby to listen to him so that she can learn how to be a better thief which I thought was cool moment. The book ends before they complete their mission so should be more to come.
As for the mutant CN has under her thrall, it is Teen Abomination who was created by Taylor for Superior Iron Man. See wiki below for those that need his backstory
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teen_Abomination
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So just flipped through Red.
Jean says she is glad Gambit is there because she needs him to steal something. She then entrusts him with a team to lead on the mission. X-23 also gives Gambit's props as one of the best thieves on the planet when she instructs Gabby to listen to him so that she can learn how to be a better thief which I thought was cool moment. The book ends before they complete their mission so should be more to come.
As for the mutant CN has under her thrall, it is Teen Abomination who was created by Taylor for Superior Iron Man. See wiki below for those that need his backstory
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teen_Abomination (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teen_Abomination)
That sounds awesome. It's gonna be hard to have to wait to go pick this issue up
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So just flipped through Red.
Jean says she is glad Gambit is there because she needs him to steal something. She then entrusts him with a team to lead on the mission. X-23 also gives Gambit's props as one of the best thieves on the planet when she instructs Gabby to listen to him so that she can learn how to be a better thief which I thought was cool moment. The book ends before they complete their mission so should be more to come.
As for the mutant CN has under her thrall, it is Teen Abomination who was created by Taylor for Superior Iron Man. See wiki below for those that need his backstory
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teen_Abomination (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teen_Abomination)
finally..something promising😀
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Loved it! Beautiful art and good story.
Gambit was written good and others respects him.
Favorite issue so far.
Can't wait for next issue!
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Best moment:)
(https://i.imgur.com/vtDa6hf.jpg?1)
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Glad to see Gambit as a competent part of the team. The art has improved a lot too.
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This was a great issue with lots of great moment and wonderful art from Carnero. I didn't enjoy Asrar work at all and thought he drew every character very similarly. Carnero work provide Each character with expressions and facial characteristics that make them individuals.
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This was a great issue with lots of great moment and wonderful art from Carnero. I didn't enjoy Asrar work at all and thought he drew every character very similarly. Carnero work provide Each character with expressions and facial characteristics that make them individuals.
Glad to hear it was a good issue.
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Best moment:)
(https://i.imgur.com/vtDa6hf.jpg?1)
That is so cool. I love Kurt's beard haha
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So, has Gambits accent disappeared from the comics?
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Glad to see Gambit as a competent part of the team. The art has improved a lot too.
It really has. Is this the new artist?
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It really has. Is this the new artist?
Yes it is the new artist Carmen Carnero
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So, has Gambits accent disappeared from the comics?
He drops a dis and a chère in this issue so not completely I guess.
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Enjoyed this issue more than others so far. I can honestly say this and the last were of my favorite. The artwork was soooooo much better, however, I've seen her other work and it's smoother than this. It might be whoever is handling the coloring. Not sure if she does her own ink but it's still got that "muddiness" I dislike. I appreciate the background work for Gentle, but it felt out of place. And why did he make such a big deal about feeling Trinary's hand? Can he not feel? I'm not familiar with the character enough. That point probably should have been inserted.
Outside of a handful of eye-roll worthy moments in the banter, the damn sentinel and Gabby (she's annoying), this was a good read.
3.9/5
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Best moment:)
(https://i.imgur.com/vtDa6hf.jpg?1)
It is amazing how one panel that doesn't even say much at all can convey a level of confidence and confidence I haven't seen in Gambit since his solo ended.
It's basically his version of "To me, my X-men," in a way that is authentic to him.
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I'd be totally fine with Gambit, Kurt, and Laura operating as their own subdivision in this book. Great trio.
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It is amazing how one panel that doesn't even say much at all can convey a level of confidence and confidence I haven't seen in Gambit since his solo ended.
It's basically his version of "To me, my X-men," in a way that is authentic to him.
I agree. I hope next issue will be as good for him and heist will go well.
RED feels more and more in a good manner like Liu`s AXM for me. Gambit was leading small groups of team in Liu`s book too.
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Yeah, it's great seeing Gambit lead the op. I hope we see more of him taking on a leading role in this book, after Jean.
I hate the red X on his uniform, though.
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I recognize Gambit, Kurt and Laura. Who are the other two?
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I recognize Gambit, Kurt and Laura. Who are the other two?
Trinary and Gabby (Honey Badger) (A clone of Laura)
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Red 7 art
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DiutYdRUEAAHSzB?format=jpg)
Cover for #9 is with Nightcrawler.