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Gambit => Gambit => Topic started by: belay on June 18, 2018, 06:10:04 PM
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MR. & MRS. X #1-3 Written by KELLY THOMPSON • Penciled by OSCAR BAZALDUA Covers by TERRY DODSON Issue #1 – VARIANT COVER BY J. SCOTT CAMPBELL Issue #1 – VIRGIN VARIANT COVER BY J. SCOTT CAMPBELL Issue #1 – VARIANT COVER BY HUMBERTO RAMOS Issue #1 – VARIANT COVER BY SKOTTIE YOUNG Issue #2 – VARIANT COVER BY JEN BARTEL Issue #3 – VARIANT COVER BY PHIL NOTO
ALL-NEW ONGOING SERIES BEGINS THIS JULY!
To the surprise of everyone, the Marvel Universe’s hottest couple has tied the knot! But there’s no time to enjoy wedded bliss when ROGUE and GAMBIT find themselves tasked with protecting a mysterious package that just about everyone in the galaxy is trying to steal. What secrets does this package hold that everyone from the Imperial Guard and the Starjammers to Technet and Deathbird (with an entire Shi’ar rebellion in tow!) will risk everything for?! Perhaps more importantly, is there anything worse than DEADPOOL crashing your honeymoon? 32 PGS.(EACH)/Rated T+ …$3.99 (EACH)
More information can be found on this link from Bleedingcool.
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/06/18/major-x-men-wedding-spoiler/ (https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/06/18/major-x-men-wedding-spoiler/)
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OMG! Wow! I can't believe that it happens. Maybe I am dreaming, lol?))) And we have Romy ongoing with KT back! Just wow!!! I am happy! My congrats for evwryone that happy about this news too!
I hope Marvel will let Gambit and Rogue to be happy together.
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Eh listen, me'wan all de variant dem.
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It is like I died and my version of hell is having to read Romy for the rest of eternity.
Jokes aside, I suppose on the bright side, I won't have to put up with Rogue being wishy washy about Gambit while banging other dudes anymore. So there is always a silver lining. Of course, I am penciling in some writer having Rogue or Gambit cheating within two years as I can't imagine Marvel allowing them to be happy for an extended period of time.
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It is like I died and my version of hell is having to read Romy for the rest of eternity.
Jokes aside, I suppose on the bright side, I won't have to put up with Rogue being wishy washy about Gambit while banging other dudes anymore. So there is always a silver lining. Of course, I am penciling in some writer having Rogue or Gambit cheating within two years as I can't imagine Marvel allowing them to be happy for an extended period of time.
Yeah I can't see it working longer than a handful of years. Some imaginationless hack will eventually come along and write one of them out of character then blame it on "marriage is 50/50". My marriage is fine and fun and we don't have super powers.
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I didn't expected Marvel to let them marry at all so maybe they will surprise us.
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Also excited that now we have Romy ongoing and glad to see them in space.
Previews looks cool!
I hope to see Gambit vs Deadpool fight.
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OMG!!!! *picks up jaw from off the floor* :D
I can't believe it. Well, I feel for the Romy haters, but as a Romy fan, I'm pretty thrilled about this!!! I had a gut feeling this might happen, but I thought it was just too soon after the mini. And it's an ongoing?!!!
I can't wait to see how KT handles this!
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OMG!!!! *picks up jaw from off the floor* :D
I can't believe it. Well, I feel for the Romy haters, but as a Romy fan, I'm pretty thrilled about this!!! I had a gut feeling this might happen, but I thought it was just too soon after the mini. And it's an ongoing?!!!
I can't wait to see how KT handles this!
The premises of the book is very interesting and different than anything I have ever read from Marvel. It is about time Gambit interacted with the larger Marvel universe. So why do guys think what could be inside the box. Is a Phoenix Egg?
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Yeah I can't see it working longer than a handful of years. Some imaginationless hack will eventually come along and write one of them out of character then blame it on "marriage is 50/50". My marriage is fine and fun and we don't have super powers.
My biggest concern is Gambit is going to be relegated to being Rogue's hubby. I can see him fading from the other books and basically turning into Rogue's sidekick in this book while Rogue gets to have adventures outside of their book. But I suppose that is the pessimist in me.
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The premises of the book is very interesting and different than anything I have ever read from Marvel. It is about time Gambit interacted with the larger Marvel universe. So why do guys think what could be inside the box. Is a Phoenix Egg?
That would mean doing something that would have some sort of story for Gambit, I don't see that. Apologies to those in advance for my view. If Marvel is actually going to do the romance thing with HEA's .... better late than never, right? ;)
My biggest concern is Gambit is going to be relegated to being Rogue's hubby. I can see him fading from the other books and basically turning into Rogue's sidekick in this book while Rogue gets to have adventures outside of their book. But I suppose that is the pessimist in me.
Maybe, but it seems to be what is wanted. *shrug*
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The premises of the book is very interesting and different than anything I have ever read from Marvel. It is about time Gambit interacted with the larger Marvel universe. So why do guys think what could be inside the box. Is a Phoenix Egg?
I like premise too.
I think you just guessed what's in the box:)
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I like premise too.
I think you just guessed what's in the box:)
So Gambit will be on X-Men Red and an ongoing series. Seems a great time to be a Gambit fan.
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So Gambit will be on X-Men Red and an ongoing series. Seems a great time to be a Gambit fan.
Yeah. Finally will my Gambit monthly fix again:)
Also about your guess, I just noticed that Egg is on cover 3:)
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Yeah. Finally will my Gambit monthly fix again:)
Also about your guess, I just noticed that Egg is on cover 3:)
I thought that was the moon. :-[
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I'm just flipping thrilled KT is handling it. She's the best X-writer I've read in a while. She's also very aware of fans' concerns, so I think she's going to try her best to be fair to fans of each character.
I guess the reaction to R+G (letters sent, hype, etc.) must have been huge beyond sales alone. I hope they continue to have more team-up titles with other characters, even if they're minis. It's the best way to get more character development. I'm tired of buying team books for one or two Gambit scenes, you know? So yeah, this is such great news.
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Yall crazy... I just now read the synopsis. That book sounds like something I wrote. Let's go, my good people. Take my hands. Neko... remydat let's walk into the light together. Come. Come...
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Yall crazy... I just now read the synopsis. That book sounds like something I wrote. Let's go, my good people. Take my hands. Neko... remydat let's walk into the light together. Come. Come...
Begone foul creature. You will not sway me with your silver tongue and false promises. The sun will rise once more and the foul odor of Romy will be purged.
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Yall crazy... I just now read the synopsis. That book sounds like something I wrote. Let's go, my good people. Take my hands. Neko... remydat let's walk into the light together. Come. Come...
Can't sway me just yet. LOL ... but I'm amused. LOLBegone foul creature. You will not sway me with your silver tongue and false promises. The sun will rise once more and the foul odor of Romy will be purged.
Stand Tall ... we'll hang on together Remydat!
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... I said take my @&# @&#&# hands! By all that is grey and probably illegal within the guild, I will pimp slap the lot of you into the @&#&#$& light!
That's it. Purp get the Gators. cc locked the @&@&##&# doors.
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Dang, this sounds like so much fun. So happy to see KT writing them again. I figured we'd have to wait a little longer
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Okay but who is watching the cats while they run around in space?
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Just had to bring those things up, eh?
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Awesome!!! I honestly never thought they would let them get married(and to get a comic out of it too? Just wow!). I couldn't be happier and am very glad to be proved wrong.
Also, I can't believe the comic is going to be set in space and have the Shi'ar in it! I love the Shi'ar and some of my favorite Gambit stories are the ones where he is in space and I've always wanted him to go on more space adventures. It's like this comic was specifically made for me.
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The synopsis is eerily close to that Gambit/Rogue pitch I made last year...
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... I said take my @&# @&#&# hands! By all that is grey and probably illegal within the guild, I will pimp slap the lot of you into the @&#&#$& light!
That's it. Purp get the Gators. cc locked the @&@&##&# doors.
Ahah, it is always ends up with Gators ;D
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The synopsis is eerily close to that Gambit/Rogue pitch I made last year...
I know. Told it before. It is really fun that after your story pitch we got R&G mini.
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I thought that was the moon. :-[
I am sure you are right with your guess.
I will go futher with this theory. I think they will end up using it to resurrect Cyke.
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I'm just flipping thrilled KT is handling it. She's the best X-writer I've read in a while. She's also very aware of fans' concerns, so I think she's going to try her best to be fair to fans of each character.
I guess the reaction to R+G (letters sent, hype, etc.) must have been huge beyond sales alone. I hope they continue to have more team-up titles with other characters, even if they're minis. It's the best way to get more character development. I'm tired of buying team books for one or two Gambit scenes, you know? So yeah, this is such great news.
Hope this book is heavily promoted and sells equally well.
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Okay but who is watching the cats while they run around in space?
Well somebody needs to watch the ship when they galavant. Or collosus is single again... poor bugger.
Is this the 2nd wedding she tanked..... i fully expect the next attemoted wedding for her to incolve some form of restraints to keep the run away bride in play.
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Okay but who is watching the cats while they run around in space?
Hmm, Fence?
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so Guggi heim...whatever his name is pulled a flash/arrow move, apparently this has been in the works for a bit, https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/19/arts/x-men-gold-kitty-pryde-piotr-rasputin.html this a nice image of the proposal
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so Guggi heim...whatever his name is pulled a flash/arrow move, apparently this has been in the works for a bit, https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/19/arts/x-men-gold-kitty-pryde-piotr-rasputin.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/19/arts/x-men-gold-kitty-pryde-piotr-rasputin.html) this a nice image of the proposal
You are fast ;D Just were going to post this.
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You are fast ;D Just were going to post this.
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/06/18/major-x-men-wedding-spoiler/ also this super spoilers in it so dont read its pretty much the whole thing so SPOILERS .......also tears...manly tears because i stubbed my toe, while im not a Romy fan this will be interesting because now the will they wont they drama which helped ruin the relationship for me is over, they have the happy ever after now this is what comes next for better or worse.
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Looks like Gambit will start off playing second fiddle to Rogue again as the new book stars off with Rogue's perspective on the wedding. No mention of Gambit's perspective because well, he's just a support character I guess.
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Looks like Gambit will start off playing second fiddle to Rogue again as the new book stars off with Rogue's perspective on the wedding. No mention of Gambit's perspective because well, he's just a support character I guess.
i didnt realize the book was out yet, i know there was one tidbit in the interview saying they would fill in the blanks from the wedding not shown in Gold. So it starts off with all that, what else does Rogue do in the issue to pull focus and leave Gambit as a supporting character?
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It's a wedding. It's not the groom's day. Most or all of the proposal seems to be from his prospective in Gold. Who cares if it's told from Rogue's end. It probably resonates more with her than him. It's his 2nd and she never thought she'd be married. Turn off the alarm. It's ok.
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Looks like Gambit will start off playing second fiddle to Rogue again as the new book stars off with Rogue's perspective on the wedding. No mention of Gambit's perspective because well, he's just a support character I guess.
Because Gambit's perspective was shown in Gold 30. All Romy story there is from his perspective on bleedingcool.
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Yup. He’s probably just content she agreed, not sure what more we’d see from his POV. Maybe just knocking about another whiskey on the rocks waiting for her to finish getting ready. Rogue’s the flighty one and tends to just bolt when stressed, i’m honestly interested in her POV in between his ask and her showing up. Plus I wanna know the something old, something new, something borrowed & something blue. I’m a girl, sue me.
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Yup. He’s probably just content she agreed, not sure what more we’d see from his POV. Maybe just knocking about another whiskey on the rocks waiting for her to finish getting ready. Rogue’s the flighty one and tends to just bolt when stressed, i’m honestly interested in her POV in between his ask and her showing up. Plus I wanna know the something old, something new, something borrowed & something blue. I’m a girl, sue me.
I'm with you on this. Gambit's feelings for her have usually been pretty clear. Rogue's...not so much. Honestly, when I first heard about this, I was surprised that she didn't say "no".
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i didnt realize the book was out yet, i know there was one tidbit in the interview saying they would fill in the blanks from the wedding not shown in Gold. So it starts off with all that, what else does Rogue do in the issue to pull focus and leave Gambit as a supporting character?
It is my initial reaction to the information provided. If it ends up being different then I will say so. However, R&G was basically Gambit being a support character for Rogue and the claim there was well, "Rogue was the one that had to make the decision so that is why she got the focus." Now, it is "Well it is a wedding so it's Rogue's day not Gambit's."
There is also some excuse. When Gambit get's actual real focus then I will say so. Until then, I am free to be pessimistic just as you are free to be optimistic.
It's a wedding. It's not the groom's day. Most or all of the proposal seems to be from his prospective in Gold. Who cares if it's told from Rogue's end. It probably resonates more with her than him. It's his 2nd and she never thought she'd be married. Turn off the alarm. It's ok.
Right and like I said, in the mini, it was "Gambit was decided so it had to focus on Rogue making the decision." Sorry it gets tiring hearing all these justifications for why Rogue gets focus.
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Because Gambit's perspective was shown in Gold 30. All Romy story there is from his perspective on bleedingcool.
Really, did we see Gambit discussing this with Storm? Is it unfair to expect some heart to heart with her if Rogue is getting some scenes with her friends? Sorry I am a Gambit only fan. I don't give a sh*t about Rogue's point of view. Yet you don't see me arguing for it to be removed. I am simply arguing that Gambit's POV should be presented too. Not sure why wanting to see that should be a problem.
Yup. He’s probably just content she agreed, not sure what more we’d see from his POV. Maybe just knocking about another whiskey on the rocks waiting for her to finish getting ready. Rogue’s the flighty one and tends to just bolt when stressed, i’m honestly interested in her POV in between his ask and her showing up. Plus I wanna know the something old, something new, something borrowed & something blue. I’m a girl, sue me.
And he will be content to play sidekick too it seems. I'd like to see perhaps him and Storm talking where she asks him if he is sure about this or he asks her to be his best man. How cool would that be? Or him asking X-23 to be there with him. It is like Gambit doesn't have any friends to discuss this huge decision but hey we get to see Rogue discuss it with her friends.
This is the same mentality that makes me hate Romy. There are always rationalizations for why Gambit gets the short end of the stick and people just expect Gambit only fans to be happy about it. Sorry I am not.
Now hey if KT writes some of the above then I will admit I jumped the gun but looking at how all you guys are ready to rationalize him getting zero focus on the biggest day of his life just leads me to believe this will get swept under the rug. It's all about Rogue because apparently she is the only one that matters.
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Oh cheese and rice. I see where this is going.
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Well Mystique is something blue :P . I'm also more interested in Rogue's POV of the wedding. In Gold #30 it seemed slightly more Gambit-focused. So yeah, I think KT will find the right voice for Rogue in those "behind the scenes" panels come issue #1 of the new series.
I like that KT went with a fun space adventure, something completely different to the 'Ring of Fire' mini. Is that Lilandra or Cerise in that b&w panel?
Oh and Deadpool popping up, should be funny as hell.
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“You get some stuff with Rogue behind the scenes with some of the X-ladies, putting together something old, something new, something borrowed and something blue,” she said. “I felt the fans deserved to see this because we did not get a big build up.”
Let me ask a simple question. As a Gambit fan, do I not deserve to see the build up as well? Why shouldn't I expect to see Gambit discussing things with Storm or one of his friends? What's the point of reading this if I am a Gambit only fan?
It seems we have already started where Gambit fans are just expected to accept whatever breadcrumbs are thrown to them after Rogue gets the focus. If you don't care to see Gambit discussing this massive decision with his friends then I don't begrudge you. However, I think it is unreasonable to tell me as a Gambit fan, I shouldn't be disappointed if Rogue gets to discuss this with her friends while Gambit does not.
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We still have to read the entirety of Gold #30. I think Gambit was having a conversation with Storm just before he proposed to Rogue.
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We still have to read the entirety of Gold #30. I think Gambit was having a conversation with Storm just before he proposed to Rogue.
That is a fair point. If we get a scene like that in Gold then that would be fine. I just don't get people trying to rationalize if such a scene did not happen. Either these characters are on equal terms or they are not.
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Over on CBR and helps to alleviate some concern. Will just have to see how this plays out.
So...I know the desire to jump to conclusions is intense, but please keep in mind that in a short article like that, there isn't space to include a full interview - they just pick and choose quotes that work.
So, no, the pages that detail the wedding will not be "all in Rogue's POV."
So the first half of Mr. & Mrs. X #1 which will show some "between the panels" wedding stuff - we get moments for both of them. It skews a little bit toward Rogue for reasons that will be obvious when you read it, but Remy gets some time as well - Storm and Laura front and center with him, as they should be.
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Some more details regarding the new book from Kelly Thompson on her tumblr.
First arc (5 issues) is a space honeymoon adventure. Mostly the guest stars are space related characters (Cerise! Deathbird! Technet! Starjammers! Imperial Guard! etc). It’s still being decided what the next arc will be but it will be at least a little bit shaped by other X-decisions that are being made right now. So we’ll see.
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Some more details regarding the new book from Kelly Thompson on her tumblr.
First arc (5 issues) is a space honeymoon adventure. Mostly the guest stars are space related characters (Cerise! Deathbird! Technet! Starjammers! Imperial Guard! etc). It’s still being decided what the next arc will be but it will be at least a little bit shaped by other X-decisions that are being made right now. So we’ll see.
Good news. Thank you!
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Really, did we see Gambit discussing this with Storm? Is it unfair to expect some heart to heart with her if Rogue is getting some scenes with her friends? Sorry I am a Gambit only fan. I don't give a sh*t about Rogue's point of view. Yet you don't see me arguing for it to be removed. I am simply arguing that Gambit's POV should be presented too. Not sure why wanting to see that should be a problem.
And he will be content to play sidekick too it seems. I'd like to see perhaps him and Storm talking where she asks him if he is sure about this or he asks her to be his best man. How cool would that be? Or him asking X-23 to be there with him. It is like Gambit doesn't have any friends to discuss this huge decision but hey we get to see Rogue discuss it with her friends.
This is the same mentality that makes me hate Romy. There are always rationalizations for why Gambit gets the short end of the stick and people just expect Gambit only fans to be happy about it. Sorry I am not.
Now hey if KT writes some of the above then I will admit I jumped the gun but looking at how all you guys are ready to rationalize him getting zero focus on the biggest day of his life just leads me to believe this will get swept under the rug. It's all about Rogue because apparently she is the only one that matters.
Remydat, enough to say that you are only Gambit fan. We are here all Gambit fans first. You like Gambit no more then any other poster here. We also want to see as much Gambit POV and Gambit centric things as possible.
Relax a little bit. Gold 30 tomorrow.
So far most your arguments are wrong. I am sure Storm conversation, pov and other things will be there.
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Remydat, enough to say that you are only Gambit fan. We are here all Gambit fans first. You like Gambit no more then any other poster here. We also want to see as much Gambit POV and Gambit centric things as possible.
Relax a little bit. Gold 30 tomorrow.
So far most your arguments are wrong. I am sure Storm conversation, pov and other things will be there.
I was so excited that I couldn't sleep last night as soon as I was notified by one of my friends who is also a huge Gambit fan that Rogue and Gambit are getting married. Some of my friend are throwing a party tomorrow just to celebrate Gambit's wedding and really excited for a bright future for Gambit in the coming years. On a side note on this day 19th June Gambit made his first appearance in the pages of Uncanny X men 266.
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I was so excited that I couldn't sleep last night as soon as I was notified by one of my friends who is also a huge Gambit fan that Rogue and Gambit are getting married. Some of my friend are throwing a party tomorrow just to celebrate Gambit's wedding and really excited for a bright future for Gambit in the coming years. On a side note on this day 19th June Gambit made his first appearance in the pages of Uncanny X men 266.
Yeah, was too excited to sleep too:)
Party sounds awesome!
Fun coinsidance with date.
Gold and Blue are ending in September. So on October we will have a new team books.
Maybe second arc of MMX will conect to new books somehowe? I think Rogue will be on new team book because Gambit is in RED.
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anyone else thinking the something blue will be Nightcrawlers pubes......no? just me hmmmm...i uh...may need help
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The more I think about the Kitty/Piotr storyline, the more I think how ridiculous it was. They spent, what, 4 or 5 issues full of flashbacks to a relationship that clearly no one cares about, they had Kitty propose twice, have cold feet three times, and then back out of the wedding at the last minute? My God, Kitty fans must be so angry right now. I think I would have preferred to have seen Piotr back out at the last minute and Kitty agree it was for the best. We'll see when the issue comes out I guess...
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Remydat, enough to say that you are only Gambit fan. We are here all Gambit fans first. You like Gambit no more then any other poster here. We also want to see as much Gambit POV and Gambit centric things as possible.
Relax a little bit. Gold 30 tomorrow.
So far most your arguments are wrong. I am sure Storm conversation, pov and other things will be there.
I am not saying it to say I like Gambit more. I am saying it to say I have zero interest in reading anything about Rogue. That is entirely fair for me to say because you guys obviously love Romy so you don't mind reading things from Rogue's POV. When this issue comes out and I flip through it in the comic book store, I will literally skip over any scenes that don't involve Gambit. So when Rogue is talking to her lady friends or looking for something blue, something new, etc., I will just flip over until I see Gambit. I give zero f**ks about anything Rogue has to say so unless you can say the same, we are fundamentally different. That doesn't make me a better Gambit fan. It is simply the truth. Anything that is released about this, I will only care about the Gambit elements.
As for being wrong, I don't care. If I left it to you guys, KT would not need to respond to explain that Gambit was going to get POV. She responded because Gambit only fans like me were complaining. And because of our complaining, Gambit only fans got information that the NYT author didn't feel important enough to mention. I will certainly not apologize for that and the fault lies with Marvel and their marketing/PR that they let something be put out that only focused on Rogue. I simply will not stop campaigning for Gambit. You guys are happy so you will accept whatever comes out no questions asked. I will question everything until I am satisfied that Gambit is getting his due. Might as well get used to it as that is not going to change.
In short, why should I have to speculate or wait to find out whether Gambit will get POV in an issue? I expect to get Gambit info the same time Marvel is releasing Rogue info. Marvel and the NYT failed to provide Gambit info and I rightly raised the concerns and was rewarded with info. It's as simple as that.
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Been a while everybody. I've been going nuts since I got the news, then see the weirdest arguments in this group. I come here for all of my Gambit news, but some of yall need to trade in your Gambit can cards. I've hated Rogue for years ever since she broke Remeys heart after that Age of X b, but guess what??? Gambit LOVES Rogue. He's been trying to get her back for how long? Gambit finally gets what HE wants, so i'm in support of that. It should've happened a long time ago, but it finally happened.
Blah blah blah, point of view, shmoint of view. We get to hear Rogue tell her friends how amazing Remey is and how happy she is to be with HIM instead of being wishy washy. I don't care who gets more pages as long as my boy doesn't get embarrassed and Colossus is the one that got the short end of the stick this time. There's plenty of things I personally want for Gambit in comics, but again, HE just got what he's wanted forever, so i'm all in.
Next up is babies. Wouldn't mind one coming from the future, so we don't have to wait forever for that.
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Been a while everybody. I've been going nuts since I got the news, then see the weirdest arguments in this group. I come here for all of my Gambit news, but some of yall need to trade in your Gambit can cards. I've hated Rogue for years ever since she broke Remeys heart after that Age of X b, but guess what??? Gambit LOVES Rogue. He's been trying to get her back for how long? Gambit finally gets what HE wants, so i'm in support of that. It should've happened a long time ago, but it finally happened.
Blah blah blah, point of view, shmoint of view. We get to hear Rogue tell her friends how amazing Remey is and how happy she is to be with HIM instead of being wishy washy. I don't care who gets more pages as long as my boy doesn't get embarrassed and Colossus is the one that got the short end of the stick this time. There's plenty of things I personally want for Gambit in comics, but again, HE just got what he's wanted forever, so i'm all in.
Next up is babies. Wouldn't mind one coming from the future, so we don't have to wait forever for that.
I totally agree with you. I am so happy for Gambit and super excited that he is getting such a big spotlight after such a long time. A new ongoing book that is not about being a thief which most of his solos have been about. This is a new concept and a new chapter in his life. It it will be really interesting how Kelly Thompson will handle the next chapter of his life.
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I am not saying it to say I like Gambit more. I am saying it to say I have zero interest in reading anything about Rogue. That is entirely fair for me to say because you guys obviously love Romy so you don't mind reading things from Rogue's POV. When this issue comes out and I flip through it in the comic book store, I will literally skip over any scenes that don't involve Gambit. So when Rogue is talking to her lady friends or looking for something blue, something new, etc., I will just flip over until I see Gambit. I give zero f**ks about anything Rogue has to say so unless you can say the same, we are fundamentally different. That doesn't make me a better Gambit fan. It is simply the truth. Anything that is released about this, I will only care about the Gambit elements.
As for being wrong, I don't care. If I left it to you guys, KT would not need to respond to explain that Gambit was going to get POV. She responded because Gambit only fans like me were complaining. And because of our complaining, Gambit only fans got information that the NYT author didn't feel important enough to mention. I will certainly not apologize for that and the fault lies with Marvel and their marketing/PR that they let something be put out that only focused on Rogue. I simply will not stop campaigning for Gambit. You guys are happy so you will accept whatever comes out no questions asked. I will question everything until I am satisfied that Gambit is getting his due. Might as well get used to it as that is not going to change.
In short, why should I have to speculate or wait to find out whether Gambit will get POV in an issue? I expect to get Gambit info the same time Marvel is releasing Rogue info. Marvel and the NYT failed to provide Gambit info and I rightly raised the concerns and was rewarded with info. It's as simple as that.
If you don`t care what you are writing in posts and if they right or not then there is nothing to talk about.
Good luck to continue writing wrong arguments or things like Rogue will end up in bed with both Mags and Deadpool.
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Here is the thing gang, KT isn't going to write Gambit all that much .. she hasn't so far imo. She's going to write Rogue, and as long as G is there to help her .. well there you go. If that is good enough for you .. okay. No judgement, not good, or bad - just is ... again imo.
edit:I'm not excited because Gambit will be unimportant, he's a "purse", as long as he can hold Rogue's bags or what not .. he's fine. I get the HEA love - I don't see Gambit being anything of meaning. IMO.
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Been a while everybody. I've been going nuts since I got the news, then see the weirdest arguments in this group. I come here for all of my Gambit news, but some of yall need to trade in your Gambit can cards. I've hated Rogue for years ever since she broke Remeys heart after that Age of X b, but guess what??? Gambit LOVES Rogue. He's been trying to get her back for how long? Gambit finally gets what HE wants, so i'm in support of that. It should've happened a long time ago, but it finally happened.
Blah blah blah, point of view, shmoint of view. We get to hear Rogue tell her friends how amazing Remey is and how happy she is to be with HIM instead of being wishy washy. I don't care who gets more pages as long as my boy doesn't get embarrassed and Colossus is the one that got the short end of the stick this time. There's plenty of things I personally want for Gambit in comics, but again, HE just got what he's wanted forever, so i'm all in.
Next up is babies. Wouldn't mind one coming from the future, so we don't have to wait forever for that.
This. It’s also why I stopped shipping him with other people. He wants her. He loves her. Not some random character that gets thrown in his way.
As for the POV stuff, of course I want more from him. I’ll see how it goes.
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KT:
You can see in Gold who Rogue and Gambit had standing for them as “bridesmaids” and “groomsmen” - Gambit had Storm and Laura. Rogue had Bobby and Nightcrawler.
But yes, you’ll see more of those scenes leading to that moment in Mr. & Mrs. X #1.
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Issue 2 cover
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If you don`t care what you are writing in posts and if they right or not then there is nothing to talk about.
Good luck to continue writing wrong arguments or things like Rogue will end up in bed with both Mags and Deadpool.
Missing the point. I respond to what Marvel put out. Marvel put out an article where they only mentioned Rogue getting POV. It is fair game for me to respond to that and the fault lies with Marvel's PR not me.
Their PR was incomplete hence why KT had to subsequently clarify. Hopefully it is a lesson learned by Marvel. They have 2 characters in a book and I expect the PR to discuss both characters. Period.
As for the Mags and Deadpool thing, think you need to lighten up. It was a joke. A joke borne out of Gambit pouring out his heart to Rogue and Rogue then sleeping with Mags shortly after. Again, you blaming me for sh*t Marvel did. If there are bitter Gambit fans out there then guess what, that is on Marvel. They wrote the stories that made us bitter. Just because you got over the hump doesn't mean everyone else will. When I see Gambit get fair characterization on par with Rogue then I will change my mind. Hasn't happened yet as even in the mini, again it was obvious the villain and that whole story was set up for Rogue not Gambit.
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I really liked Gold 30. It was a very good and beautiful issue.
All felt natural.
Happy for Gambit and Rogue.
Sad for Colossus and Kitty but will see how it all will end.
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Missing the point. I respond to what Marvel put out. Marvel put out an article where they only mentioned Rogue getting POV. It is fair game for me to respond to that and the fault lies with Marvel's PR not me.
Their PR was incomplete hence why KT had to subsequently clarify. Hopefully it is a lesson learned by Marvel. They have 2 characters in a book and I expect the PR to discuss both characters. Period.
As for the Mags and Deadpool thing, think you need to lighten up. It was a joke. A joke borne out of Gambit pouring out his heart to Rogue and Rogue then sleeping with Mags shortly after. Again, you blaming me for sh*t Marvel did. If there are bitter Gambit fans out there then guess what, that is on Marvel. They wrote the stories that made us bitter. Just because you got over the hump doesn't mean everyone else will. When I see Gambit get fair characterization on par with Rogue then I will change my mind. Hasn't happened yet as even in the mini, again it was obvious the villain and that whole story was set up for Rogue not Gambit.
I don`t blame you for anything. You are one of the best Gambit posters that always could continue an interesting conversation or add good arguments.
But with wedding spoilers you spamed a lot of threads with posts with wrong arguments at best. That is why I told you to relax and check Gold 30 first.
You have your own opinion and free to post anything you want. It was just a try to calm you down because we are on the same forum for years and kinda know each other.
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Issue 2 cover
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Ha! That should be entertaining. Really hope Gambit beats his ass (but I have a feeling it will be Rogue who does it)
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All felt natural.
I actually felt the opposite, like it was very abrupt. Perhaps because I had read all the leaked pages so that there were no surprises left. At least, there’ll be some filling in in the new series.
Gotta admit, though. I’m not that excited about the news. I was really hoping Gambit was going get a new solo series, instead he gets a shared title. I don’t doubt it’ll be fun as I really enjoyed the mini (except for a few nitpicks) but Gambit having some development of his own is too much to ask apparently.
And although I don’t think Gambit will be Rogue’s sidekick, I do worry that he will get the short end of the stick because we know that Rogue is the preferred character.
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I don`t blame you for anything. You are one of the best Gambit posters that always could continue an interesting conversation or add good arguments.
But with wedding spoilers you spamed a lot of threads with posts with wrong arguments at best. That is why I told you to relax and check Gold 30 first.
You have your own opinion and free to post anything you want. It was just a try to calm you down because we are on the same forum for years and kinda know each other.
Is it spam when Romy lovers post in multiple threads? Marvel has given people ample reason to be pessimitic and given others ample reason to be optimistic. To each his own. I posted my thoughts based on what Marvel put out. It was not giving Gambit his due IMO.
I don't tell you not to be optimistic so not sure why you telling me not to be pessmisitc. It is not a question of right or wrong but of how much faith people still have in Marvel.
You think they have done right by Gambit recently and I don't. We had a major NYT article and the focus was on Rogue. Anyone not familiar with the characters reading that article would view Rogue as the star. Same with the mini. For anyone new that mini was a Rogue vehicle.
In any event we won't agree. I will continue to be pessimistic until I see real development outside of being Rogue's love interest.
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Ha! That should be entertaining. Really hope Gambit beats his ass (but I have a feeling it will be Rogue who does it)
Pessimism alert. Just married and Marvel already has an image of Deapool moving in on dudes wife. And people get upset when I joke about Deadpool sleeping with Rogue. Guess only Marvel can make fun of Gambit.
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I liked the issue. I don’t think Illyana said enough to Kitty to really put doubts in some one’s mind like that. However wouldn’t it be cool if Kitty’s powers were disrupted by a x-villain which then made small doubts flourish?
I could see Rogue and Gambit skipping steps and just go straight to a ceremony. Seems to me that the Marvel is respecting all their characters again. There is still favourites but the age of making characters look bad for no reason is finished.Peter was left at the alter but he wasn’t made a fool or assigned the blame.
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Pessimism alert. Just married and Marvel already has an image of Deapool moving in on dudes wife. And people get upset when I joke about Deadpool sleeping with Rogue. Guess only Marvel can make fun of Gambit.
Perfectly understandable to be skeptical when it comes to Marvel treatment of Gambit. But hey remember when Milligan’s run of X-Men sold 85k when ppl expected him to actually try but got Deathbit. Now it’s it’s hard to get any X-Men issue above 40k even if it’s good.
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Pessimism alert. Just married and Marvel already has an image of Deapool moving in on dudes wife. And people get upset when I joke about Deadpool sleeping with Rogue. Guess only Marvel can make fun of Gambit.
Umm, I guess I'm confused. Are you replying to my comment or to the cover itself?
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Just read Gold #30 in full. I was expecting it to be a poorly written issue...it actually was quite good, and it had a nice flow to it. Artwork was amazing, the moonlight scenes with Kitty/Colossus and with Magik on the rooftop was beautifully lit. Guggenheim somehow wrote everyone in-character. No "boyos" from Gambit and held back on the "sugahs" for Rogue (she only said it once). In fact Rogue and Remy's interactions were in a similar tone to Kelly Thompson's writing, I heard that she tweaked a few things and had some slight involvement in the script.
Initially I thought it'd be like Chuck Austen's disastrous Alex/Lorna wedding which was one of the worst things I've ever read in an X-Men book. Although Kitty comes off flaky...I actually thought Colossus handled everything quite well...I genuinely felt for him, and came off rather okay in a terrible situation...Kitty probably not so much, but we'll see in #31. Perhaps Magik was a little out-of-character herself.
Overall, the interactions between characters were mostly enjoyable. For the finale, well Rogue and Gambit's sudden marriage after reading this felt natural to me, they are spontaneous characters, it's something that they would do...and we'll see some more insight in MrMrsX #1.
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Wth happened to Gambits Cajun accent( which I love) has it totally disappeared at this point? Has the stuff that made this character so original beimg watered down?
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Umm, I guess I'm confused. Are you replying to my comment or to the cover itself?
The cover. Just thought it funny that Purp was giving me a hard time about joking about Rogue sleeping with Mags and Deadpool in light of a cover already showing Deadpool moving in on Rogue.
Being tongue in cheek of course.
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I really liked Gold 30. It was a very good and beautiful issue.
All felt natural.
Happy for Gambit and Rogue.
Sad for Colossus and Kitty but will see how it all will end.
Just flipped through it. Issue was fine and definitely could see Gambit proposing under those circumstances. Probably best that Gambit didn't give Rogue time to think about it as Kitty's speech could easily be Rogue if she had time to think about it.
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Just flipped through it. Issue was fine and definitely could see Gambit proposing under those circumstances. Probably best that Gambit didn't give Rogue time to think about it as Kitty's speech could easily be Rogue if she had time to think about it.
Positive post ;)
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Wth happened to Gambits Cajun accent( which I love) has it totally disappeared at this point? Has the stuff that made this character so original beimg watered down?
I really am disappointed he didn't respond, "Have you met me, Chere?" Its probably what he would've said, but it also sounds much better. Sometimes we forget that Gambit is the sexiest Male in the Marvel Universe (unless they invented a new character to take his legit title) and that just seems sexier.
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Issue 2 cover
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He's still a murderer (Phil Coulson), right? But he's Deadpool. Crossing boundaries and getting into people's personal space is what he does. I cant wait for this issue. There are a few interactions I cant wait to see. Namely; Mystique and Magneto. Mystique is obvious, but I don't think Magneto's first interaction with them needs to be a whole issue. I see him being very mature and short, possibly showing some degree of happiness towards Rogue. He'll give them congratulations, but not more than the slightest of smirks from him so as to not come off as bitter... Mystique is going to try and kill him. Full stop. This has to happen.
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He's still a murderer (Phil Coulson), right?
Yeah, I believe they're addressing that in his current solo (if they haven't addressed it already).
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Positive post ;)
Baby steps I suppose.
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I really am disappointed he didn't respond, "Have you met me, Chere?" Its probably what he would've said, but it also sounds much better. Sometimes we forget that Gambit is the sexiest Male in the Marvel Universe (unless they invented a new character to take his legit title) and that just seems sexier.
if if hes not saying chere...he isn't gambit lol
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So interesting question based on someone commenting on CBR how Gambit stole an entire wedding which I found funny.
Given that Gambit and Rogue got married at Kitty and Piotr's expense, do you think it would be good etiquette for the new bride and groom to offer to cover some of the costs of the wedding? Or was Gambit waiting all these years for someone else to plan and pay for a wedding so he could propose and get married on their dime?
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So interesting question based on someone commenting on CBR how Gambit stole an entire wedding which I found funny.
Given that Gambit and Rogue got married at Kitty and Piotr's expense, do you think it would be good etiquette for the new bride and groom to offer to cover some of the costs of the wedding? Or was Gambit waiting all these years for someone else to plan and pay for a wedding so he could propose and get married on their dime?
LOL. Yeah, talk about a master thief, huh? I'd hope they'd help pay for it!
Also, for those interested in Mr & Mrs X:
https://www.newsarama.com/40485-gambit-rogue-are-mr-and-mrs-x-in-new-series.html (https://www.newsarama.com/40485-gambit-rogue-are-mr-and-mrs-x-in-new-series.html)
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So interesting question based on someone commenting on CBR how Gambit stole an entire wedding which I found funny.
Given that Gambit and Rogue got married at Kitty and Piotr's expense, do you think it would be good etiquette for the new bride and groom to offer to cover some of the costs of the wedding? Or was Gambit waiting all these years for someone else to plan and pay for a wedding so he could propose and get married on their dime?
I guess that would depend on who actually paid for it. If he still is the King of Thieves, I doubt he'd have a hard time coming up with the scratch anyway.
If this had happened 10 years ago, I'd have been over the moon. Happening now, while I'm happy for them, it also has some degree of 'meh' to it. More 'happy' than 'meh', but the 'meh' is still there all the same.
So I guess that's one thing that can be crossed off the to-do list.
Next step: Rebecca and Olivier?
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I love that. Too funny.
So. It's not the proposal or wedding I imagined for them, but leave it to Remy to be unconventional.
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From KT's tumblr:
Q: "Will we see how Rogue can touch Remy now? Or she can't?"
KT: "Her powers are still not under her control. It will be addressed (not solved) somewhat in Mr. & Mrs. X #1."
Q: "Kelly, important question: while Rogue and Gambit are honeymooning in space, who's taking care of the cats?!"
KT: "Probably whoever takes care of them all the other times Gambit isn’t home (which is like ALLLLL the time)."
Q: "is there a panel of Gambit handing Piotr a check to cover the wedding expenses?"
KT: "Ha. No check exchanges hands!"
Q: "Three questions. 1. Will Mr. & Mrs. X have to deal with their in-laws at all? (Mystique and Jean-Luc LeBeau) 2. No love triangles, but will any of Rogue or Gambits ex's show up? 3. Do you think Magneto would be happy for Rogue?"
KT: "1. MAYBE. ;D 2. Deadpool is in the first arc, so YES. 3. Mostly yes. think he genuinely wants the best for her."
She covers a lot of ground...lol.
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Wth happened to Gambits Cajun accent( which I love) has it totally disappeared at this point? Has the stuff that made this character so original beimg watered down?
The watering down of G's character has been going on for a long time. IMO
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Been spending too long in da norf. Needs to visit N'awlins to have his accent resurface.
I would crack another impossible accent joke but I don't know if anyone else here watches GoT and I couldn't bear for it to fall completely flat. lol
Maybe the new book will explore his power set again, along with addressing hers as has been confirmed. He -has- been killed/resurrected in his Asmus series with his full powers back, and no one else has bothered to address that since it ended years ago. If they're going 'galactic', maybe now is a good time...
EDIT: And in other news, it's nice to see Wikipedia editors are already on the ball. Changing Rogue's name there makes it all seem so surreal.
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Absolutely hate Gambit's face on both covers of Mr & Mrs X #1 #2. Hope the inside art gives him some justice.
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His face is really round...
You guys notice the changes in Rogue from when she said yes, to the altar? I spot, the collar, the earrings and veil? It's something blue, used, new and borrowed, right? Missing a piece... What's what? And from whom?
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Absolutely hate Gambit's face on both covers of Mr & Mrs X #1 #2. Hope the inside art gives him some justice.
I'm not a huge fan either. He's got kind of a Jim Halpert nose
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Glad i’m not the only one not liking those covers.
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Glad i’m not the only one not liking those covers.
Dodsons art sucks when it comes to Gambit imo, Gambit on the first cover looks like John Krasinski tho
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Dodsons art sucks when it comes to Gambit imo, Gambit on the first cover looks like John Krasinski tho
Yeah. Anka was better.
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His face is really round...
You guys notice the changes in Rogue from when she said yes, to the altar? I spot, the collar, the earrings and veil? It's something blue, used, new and borrowed, right? Missing a piece... What's what? And from whom?
From Gambit`s pockets ;D I am sure he has a lot of different stuff there.
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So interesting question based on someone commenting on CBR how Gambit stole an entire wedding which I found funny.
Given that Gambit and Rogue got married at Kitty and Piotr's expense, do you think it would be good etiquette for the new bride and groom to offer to cover some of the costs of the wedding? Or was Gambit waiting all these years for someone else to plan and pay for a wedding so he could propose and get married on their dime?
Lol, at Gambit waiting to get married on other`s dime)
I am more intrested to see who will get all wedding presents.
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Lol, I'm sure most of the wedding was paid for by the mansion/school funds (like everything else in the x-books) So it's completely fair game for any of the x-people! ;)
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Dodson draws women very well, especially Black Cat, but Rogue here looks nice too. His male characters aren't quite as good, unless they're masked like Spider-Man or Deadpool here.
But for some reason his Gambits are a bit harsh on the face.
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Dodson draws women very well, especially Black Cat, but Rogue here looks nice too. His male characters aren't quite as good, unless they're masked like Spider-Man or Deadpool here.
But for some reason his Gambits are a bit harsh on the face.
I thought I was the only one that noticed that with his drawings of Gambit. Always looks weird.
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I don't really like any of Dodson's 'faces' male or female. His kitty and colossus cover was also weird.
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I don't really like any of Dodson's 'faces' male or female. His kitty and colossus cover was also weird.
The only thing that I think is wrong with the picture is that big fat round red nose of Gambit. I don't know why but it reminds me of grumpy the dwarf from snow white.
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Dodsons art sucks when it comes to Gambit imo, Gambit on the first cover looks like John Krasinski tho
That's it. I knew that nose looked familiar...lol.
You guys notice the changes in Rogue from when she said yes, to the altar? I spot, the collar, the earrings and veil? It's something blue, used, new and borrowed, right? Missing a piece... What's what? And from whom?
Alright, wild guess: collar (new), earrings (old), veil (borrowed), Nightcrawler as "man of honor" (blue).
I don't really like any of Dodson's 'faces' male or female. His kitty and colossus cover was also weird.
Agreed. That Deadpool cover in particular...I think DP's the only one who looks alright.
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I literally started reading X-Men again this week on a whim after a few years away. I had no idea what was going on in the books, but I have a couple of weeks before I start a new job and I was "whatever. " So, catching up with Gold today was stunning and wonderful, and I am very excited for the new ongoing.
Thompson's miniseries was so good. So good. She understands both characters well, and somehow managed to weave a coherent, touching narrative out of the mess that has been their relationship. Both characters had moments to shine, and delightful banter. I especially loved how Rogue actually faced what she had done, apologized for it, and didn't make excuses. She didn't even let Gambit do his traditional "It's okay. We don't need to do this. " schtick. So good.
So, yeah, I am hype for this ongoing. I have asked my LCS guy to order any and all alternative covers for me. I intend to singlehandedly keep this book going forever.
Er, I am normally less gushy, but man I am excited about this.
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Holy @#*%! I've been a little out of the loop lately and when this news popped up on my phone yesterday it blew my mind. I would consider myself a Romy fan even though I have not liked a ton of what they did with these two over the years. But the Rogue and Gambit mini was far better than I was expecting it to be and the surprise marriage of these two has really made me happy because I feel they earned it and it wasn't a "wtf" moment. It's so nice to see these two happy together and dropping all the convoluted mess of their "will they won't they" shtick that's gone on way too long. I hope it lasts and they become a great married power couple.
I really feel bad for Gambit fans who hate Rogue so much that it prevents them from really enjoying a storyline or arc due to her mere presence. I feel extremely fortunate that my enjoyment of Gambit in the spotlight is not tainted by this. I hope and would expect that Gambit will get plenty of focus in this ongoing team up story. Super excited for Mr. & Mrs. X. I even like that title. It's weird and unexpected but that's kind of why I like it. I'll love seeing them in a bigger story that will affect more of the universe.
I also can't stand those covers and specifically how Gambit is drawn. Looks like I'll be getting a lot of variants. I hate those white backgrounds too. Hope the art inside is better.
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I'm not really aware of any Gambit fans that outright 'hate' Rogue, though there are a few that certainly dislike her because a large majority of the time she tends to overshadow Gambit. We might hopefully get a balance now, with each of them getting a chance to shine alternatively, but of course we'll have to wait and see. At least at this point in time we won't have to deal with any more wishy-washy Rogue and pining Gambit.
Likely just angst from their own individual friends, family, and previous dalliances.
Part of the Rogue 'overshadowing' Gambit issue has to do with how they are as characters, too. Rogue has both a strong personality and a strong power-set. Some would say a ridiculously strong power set. A power set that seems to be shifted in some way every few years.
Gambit has a strong personality too (at least 90's Gambit did, and we've only really recently seen bits of its return) but his power-set has been rather stagnant since his first mini and solo run where there was lots of creativity. Asmus hit the reset button on his powers at the end of his latest solo, but no one picked up on that since, which has been pretty disappointing. It's been punch, kick, swing staff, throw card, repeat ad nauseam.
Fingers crossed that KT can show that spark of creativity with his powers for the first time in a decade.
EDIT: Actually something that would be really interesting, have something manipulate Gambit while in space, causing his powers to spike again, bringing back some references to New Sun. Neo Sun, if you will. :p Don't go that way, obviously, but it's a good way to get those two invested in the greater Marvel-verse at large if others will have to come to help them, and it would be interesting for Gambit to be the one with the power problems again.
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but I don't think Magneto's first interaction with them needs to be a whole issue. I see him being very mature and short, possibly showing some degree of happiness towards Rogue. He'll give them congratulations, but not more than the slightest of smirks from him so as to not come off as bitter. . .
Been lurking around here for a little bit as a guest, but I had to comment on this. . . why do you think Magneto (murdering genocidal dictator who put Gambit on trial and banged Rogue) needs to be shown like that? Is he now a doting great grandfather to them who needs to give his approval on their marriage?? I mean not too long ago, you people were calling him for what he really was. . . has that now suddenly changed because oh look, Gambit and Rogue got married. . . if anything, they should tell him to f@#* off and die!
I especially loved how Rogue actually faced what she had done, apologized for it, and didn't make excuses. She didn't even let Gambit do his traditional "It's okay. We don't need to do this. "schtick. So good.
That's it??? That somehow makes up for. . . how many decades of Gambit being nothing more than a obedient lapdog to Rogue? ???
I really feel bad for Gambit fans who hate Rogue so much that it prevents them for really enjoying a storyline or arc due to her mere presence.
We don't want your pity.
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Hi III-IV - welcome to the forum. :)
I don't think anyone intended to offend in anyway.
I think there are a lot of opinions on the Gambit, Rogue, Magneto thing. It certainly causes some debate. :)
As for dislike of a character - that is universal with many or all characters- in general. If you can say that for one character, it can be said for all, right?
I don't think the apology in the mini was enough either but Marvel seems to think it is enough. What can you do.
I don't like Rogue - there is nothing preventing me from enjoying her because there isn't anything worthy about her. You can't miss what isn't here. So, don't take that as pity but as, you like what you like and not like what you not like.
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I don't like Rogue, I don't feel I'm going to miss a thing, I've decided to not buy this book.
Are you talking about Mr. & Mrs. X? Wow Neko, that's such a shame. Like I said, I feel fortunate to not have built up this intense distaste for Rogue to where I will be missing out on an ongoing where Gambit is one of the two main characters. Yikes. To each their own. Unless I've misunderstood you. I feel Rogue has recently been written better than she has in years and has been close to as likable as she was in the 90's when I fell in love with her.
I'm really looking forward to Rogue being known as Anna-Marie LeBeau from now on. Now she actually has a legitimate last name. I see this actually being a chance for Gambit to come back into the limelight with some dignity again finally. I was very happy with the way KT wrote Gambit and Rogue and I would expect her to just be able to expand upon what she's done so far. I'd like to see her get more into gambit's powers and abilities and get back to Gambit being a smart and cunning character again. I can hope. But those poorly drawn covers have to change soon. Gambit looks like John Travolta doing Gambit cosplay.
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Are you talking about Mr. & Mrs. X? Wow Neko, that's such a shame. Like I said, I feel fortunate to not have built up this intense distaste for Rogue to where I will be missing out on an ongoing where Gambit is one of the two main characters. Yikes. To each their own. Unless I've misunderstood you. I feel Rogue has recently been written better than she has in years and has been close to as likable as she was in the 90's when I fell in love with her.
Well, do keep in mind that the Guild has been around in some part for what, the better part of 15 years or more now? Some have been following Gambit more closely than others, I myself am guilty of being on-again, off-again where Gambit in the comics is concerned. If he didn't have a decent enough role, I didn't bother. Which pretty much means since the end of his last solo, I haven't really bothered until recently.
The steadfast Gambit fans don't like Rogue because most writers obviously favor her when they are written together, and Gambit typically becomes nothing more than useless wallpaper. The same can be said of hardcore Rogue fans, they feel like Gambit just holds her back - so there are people on both sides of this.
It's going to take some effort (read: a lot of effort) to change the minds of those who have been following Gambit since at least XTAS, through all the downs and deeper downs and angst and limbo and hamstringing, etc.
If the reviews are good and Gambit actually gets some time to shine as Gambit, and not Rogue's plus one, they might change their minds. I'm actually curious to the thoughts of some old guilders that I haven't seen in a while. Canemacar. WHAGENT. NicoPony.
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Are you talking about Mr. & Mrs. X? Wow Neko, that's such a shame. Like I said, I feel fortunate to not have built up this intense distaste for Rogue to where I will be missing out on an ongoing where Gambit is one of the two main characters. Yikes. To each their own. Unless I've misunderstood you. I feel Rogue has recently been written better than she has in years and has been close to as likable as she was in the 90's when I fell in love with her.
I'm really looking forward to Rogue being known as Anna-Marie LeBeau from now on. Now she actually has a legitimate last name. I see this actually being a chance for Gambit to come back into the limelight with some dignity again finally. I was very happy with the way KT wrote Gambit and Rogue and I would expect her to just be able to expand upon what she's done so far. I'd like to see her get more into gambit's powers and abilities and get back to Gambit being a smart and cunning character again. I can hope. But those poorly drawn covers have to change soon. Gambit looks like John Travolta doing Gambit cosplay.
Awww, I see you being sweet here.
Gambit isn't going to be anything but support in my view. As long as Rogue is (insert whatever greatest character ever by the writer thing), what do I have to look forward to when my issue is Gambit won't be anything but a sidekick. I didn't enjoy the mini so I base my view there.
I won't dwell but KT didn't do anything with Gambit. I don't know how to express my view well, so, I'll let it go. Enjoy your book. :)
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Been lurking around here for a little bit as a guest, but I had to comment on this. . . why do you think Magneto (murdering genocidal dictator who put Gambit on trial and banged Rogue) needs to be shown like that? Is he now a doting great grandfather to them who needs to give his approval on their marriage?? I mean not too long ago, you people were calling him for what he really was. . . has that now suddenly changed because oh look, Gambit and Rogue got married. . . if anything, they should tell him to f@#* off and die!
I'm not entirely sure what or whom your talking about. No one here that I can recall hated Magneto. Most of us don't much like his obsessive fanbase but that's about it. I quite like Magneto. Always have. He hasn't been portrayed as emotional or petty in the past. I still maintain that it was creepy for him to record Gambit and Rogue in the cave and what he did was truly dastardly. I also never bought his conversation to heroism but his reasons for being on Utopia made sense. It's where his people were. But none of this has to do with his core personality. And either of them telling him to go off doesn't really jive with theor personalities either. Rogue sympathizes for him and Gambit has only once ever shown any distaste of him, barring his opinion of Joseph. His self loathing doesn't really allow him to hate the man, as he doesn't believe Magneto's done anything that wrong. Heck, don't even know he knows about the Antarctica tape.
Welcome to the forum.
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I've preordered, and I'm sure some others have too, so perhaps myself or others can try to do some neutral-as-possible reviews of the first few issues and those who aren't sold can go from there.
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I've preordered, and I'm sure some others have too, so perhaps myself or others can try to do some neutral-as-possible reviews of the first few issues and those who aren't sold can go from there.
That would be great! We need those neutral-as-possible stuff. Thanks in advance!
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I've pre-ordered as well. I'll give my opinion as well.
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I just wanna applaud Paradox Jast's posts on this thread. I just like how thorough and well-done they are.
(Everybody else, you're cool too.)
It surprised me how much I enjoyed Rogue and the mini, though of course I had some Issues with how some things were done (one of them being Rogue's excuse about her fling with Mags--sorry, DearMachine, but that's what it was to me). I'm going to give this new ongoing a shot and try not to be so negative. I did laugh at the little dialogue we got from KT, so that's a promising start. I want this to succeed and hope KT gives Remy interesting things to do separate of Rogue and more of a voice than in R&G.
Remy's level of forgiveness is practically Jesus-like. I find it both endearing and infuriating. He'd never tell anyone like Mags to F-off.
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The only thing that I think is wrong with the picture is that big fat round red nose of Gambit. I don't know why but it reminds me of grumpy the dwarf from snow white.
I blame the deadpool v Gambit mini for the big roman nose.....
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And no matter your opinion on Romy or this series, it needs a better cover artist. Blech.
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Asked KT: Any hope to see Fence (Gambit`s friend for solo 2012) in Mr. and Mrs. X? I always thought that he is the one who are watching after cats when Gambit is not at home.
KT: Maybe. Things post arc 1 are still in flux.
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Are Mr. and Mrs. X moving in together? And will Rogue take Remy's last name?KT: Definitely moving in together.
I don’t know on the second point. I’m not even sure Rogue knows. She hasn’t had a lot of time to think about it.
Kinda feels as No about last name. Or won`t be adressed in book.
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Where are Remy and Rogue gonna live once they get back from their honeymoon?? Or will that be an arc in the series?
Remy’s NYC apartment/penthouse will be their first home.
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My dream cover artist would be Jenny Frison. Her covers are gorgeous.
And, no, Gambit will take her lack of last name. He will just be known as Remy from now on. Like Cher. :D
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Now we have an updated Solicitation for Mr & Mrs X and they sound amazing.
MR AND MRS X #1[/size](W) Kelly Thompson (A) Oscar Bazaldua (CA) Terry DodsonLOVE & MARRIAGE PART 1! Straight from the pages of X-MEN GOLD…to the surprise of everyone, the Marvel Universe’s hottest couple has finally tied the knot! In their extraordinary lives, they’ve faced nearly every challenge imaginable, but how will they fare against former flames making trouble? An entire galaxy in jeopardy? You want it? We got it, as Kelly Thompson (HAWKEYE, ROGUE & GAMBIT) and Oscar Bazaldua (SPIDER-MAN, STAR WARS: ROGUE ONE) bring you the tantalizing tale of a modern marriage…X-MEN STYLE!Rated T+ In Shops: Jul 25, 2018 SRP: $3.99
MR AND MRS X #2(W) Kelly Thompson (A) Oscar Bazaldua (CA) Terry DodsonLOVE & MARRIAGE PART 2!ROGUE and GAMBIT find themselves tasked with protecting a mysterious package that everyone in the galaxy suddenly seems to want. Why does everyone want this thing and WHAT exactly is it? Perhaps more importantly, is there anything worse than Deadpool crashing your honeymoon? Yes! There is something worse! TECHNET crashing too! Man your battle stations, people — it’s absolute honeymoon mayhem!Rated T+ In Shops: Aug 22, 2018 SRP: $3.99
MR AND MRS X #3(W) Kelly Thompson (A) Oscar Bazaldua (CA) Terry DodsonLOVE & MARRIAGE PART 3!ROGUE and GAMBIT’S romantic getaway is but a faint memory as they’re forced to team up with DEADPOOL to protect a dangerous and extremely valuable “package” when half the galaxy comes to claim it. What secrets does the package hold that the Imperial Guard and Deathbird (with an entire Shi’ar rebellion in tow!) will risk everything for? More importantly, can Rogue, Gambit, and Deadpool stop bickering long enough to win?Rated T+ In Shops: Sep 19, 2018 SRP: $3.99
Can anyone let me know who are the Technet?[/size]
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Now we have an updated Solicitation for Mr & Mrs X and they sound amazing.
MR AND MRS X #1(W) Kelly Thompson (A) Oscar Bazaldua (CA) Terry DodsonLOVE & MARRIAGE PART 1! Straight from the pages of X-MEN GOLD…to the surprise of everyone, the Marvel Universe’s hottest couple has finally tied the knot! In their extraordinary lives, they’ve faced nearly every challenge imaginable, but how will they fare against former flames making trouble? An entire galaxy in jeopardy? You want it? We got it, as Kelly Thompson (HAWKEYE, ROGUE & GAMBIT) and Oscar Bazaldua (SPIDER-MAN, STAR WARS: ROGUE ONE) bring you the tantalizing tale of a modern marriage…X-MEN STYLE!Rated T+ In Shops: Jul 25, 2018 SRP: $3.99
MR AND MRS X #2(W) Kelly Thompson (A) Oscar Bazaldua (CA) Terry DodsonLOVE & MARRIAGE PART 2!ROGUE and GAMBIT find themselves tasked with protecting a mysterious package that everyone in the galaxy suddenly seems to want. Why does everyone want this thing and WHAT exactly is it? Perhaps more importantly, is there anything worse than Deadpool crashing your honeymoon? Yes! There is something worse! TECHNET crashing too! Man your battle stations, people — it’s absolute honeymoon mayhem!Rated T+ In Shops: Aug 22, 2018 SRP: $3.99
MR AND MRS X #3(W) Kelly Thompson (A) Oscar Bazaldua (CA) Terry DodsonLOVE & MARRIAGE PART 3!ROGUE and GAMBIT’S romantic getaway is but a faint memory as they’re forced to team up with DEADPOOL to protect a dangerous and extremely valuable “package” when half the galaxy comes to claim it. What secrets does the package hold that the Imperial Guard and Deathbird (with an entire Shi’ar rebellion in tow!) will risk everything for? More importantly, can Rogue, Gambit, and Deadpool stop bickering long enough to win?Rated T+ In Shops: Sep 19, 2018 SRP: $3.99
Can anyone let me know who are the Technet?
Sounds good but I expected Wade to be just a villain here. Interesting if DvG will be adressed.
I googled Technet. Never heared of them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technet_(comics)
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how will they fare against former flames making trouble?
If more than one ex is to show up, I would like someone from Gambit’s past in order to balance things out.
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If more than one ex is to show up, I would like someone from Gambit’s past in order to balance things out.
KT told there won`t be any love triangles.
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KT told there won`t be any love triangles.
I would hope there wouldn't be any love triangles on their honeymoon haha that would just be ridiculous. I think it'll be kind of fun to see what happens with Deadpool since both Rogue and Gambit have a weird history with him
If more than one ex is to show up, I would like someone from Gambit’s past in order to balance things out.
Who would you have show up?
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KT told there won`t be any love triangles.
I know and I’m relieved because I hate love triangles but since we’re getting Deadpool I’d want to see Rogue’s reaction if someone else was involved.
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Who would you have show up?
Honestly, I don’t know. Isn’t it sad that I can’t think of anyone significant except for the obvious Bella Donna.
Gambit’s never had a meaningful romantic relationship on panel outside of Rogue. Even his relationship with Joelle was cut short.
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Honestly, I don’t know. Isn’t it sad that I can’t think of anyone significant except for the obvious Bella Donna.
Gambit’s never had a meaningful romantic relationship on panel outside of Rogue. Even his relationship with Joelle was cut short.
Ha! I know right? I was trying to think of any of note and those were the only 2 I could come up with.
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The watering down of G's character has been going on for a long time. IMO
sadly...yes
Along with losing his accent ...lets hope he dosent lose whats left of personality being married to marvels sweetheart lol
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Really not thrilled about Deadpool being involved right off the bat. I don't want to see love triangles ever again with these two.lol I hope the "former flames" angle is handled well considering I feel they've graduated from certain petty bull$#!& at this point. I don't want to get right into them b***hing at eachother right after they get married.
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Well KT already said there's not going to be triangles. I dont see the problem with stirring the pot. I think it's going to be fun and humorous. Perhaps we getting too serious. Those solicits sound fun. I don't get this "shes underplaying Gambit" stuff, but Red with it's 1000 characters is supposed to be better somehow? I don't see it.
Writer vs Writer from what I've seen thus far? Tom Taylor is lacking in several areas writing the X-Men. Gambit's inclusion is the only reason I'm still reading Red. His monologues come off like Twitter rants. KT however has shown me enough that I'lI even give West Coast Avengers a try.
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Re: Deadpool - even if he comes to check out what's going on with Rogue and she tries shutting him down, Deadpool is the type to offer to do it with Gambit too, considering they've both been on opposite sides and worked together before.
It would totally be a Deadpool thing.
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I don't know if this should go here or in the other thread about Rogue and Gambit but given recent events and against my don't give Marvel my money stance I decided to pick up this issue and the Rogue and Gambit series so I could have some thoughts about things with at least a little bit of context. If you feel this should go in the other thread feel free to move it.
My general thoughts are as a Romy fan I liked how Gambit and Rogue felt in this series. They reminded me of the good times that used to happen and I liked that but overall I don't think it really addressed much of anything with them to get them back together let alone be married within a couple of months afterwards. In fact I don't think it barely addressed anything and only sort of addressed how terrible Rogue has been about things since Mike Carey wrote her and put her into that one incredibly dumb 'relationship'.
Having read it now I still really hate the handwaving away of the past several years of BS as exploring or whatever because that doesn't work. It doesn't make any sense with the old terrorist in there and even without him I still don't buy her speech about it not being as simple as not choosing Gambit because after three other 'relationships' since Gambit helped Professor X find her and get control of her powers she just hasn't really been written like she cares about Gambit anymore from what I've heard. Like I said I also don't like that addressing anything about them was picture word balloons (and seriously why is that Storm kiss there but not Bishop on her side?) and Antarctica (which was caused by that person Rogue was 'exploring' with and I'm pretty sure at least she knows that). If Kelly knew the series was leading to the marriage she should have addressed the more recent things that haven't been and not the old things that have/should have been water under the bridge since X-Treme X-Men. It sort of feels like she pulled a Mike Carey and couldn't or didn't want to address Deathbit or that old terrorist relationship and so she just ignored one and handwaved the other away.
To be more positive now as I've said I liked how they felt for the first time in forever. It felt like old Gambit and Rogue working together and bickering but not being jerks about it after that first issue at least. Rogue was still sort of a big jerk in issue one but I liked Gambit in it. I really appreciated the baggage speech because that's how I've felt about Romy and how it has sorta been since Milligan. Gambit is the only one who has really been trying to keep Romy a potential thing since he came back from being Death. I liked the portrayal of Rogue as not having actually realized that and I liked that throughout the book she realized how big of a jerk she's been to Gambit for a long time.
I loved issue 4 because I feel like that was the one that tried to address things a little bit more. I really loved the inner Gambit monologue from the weird no trust scene from his last solo because I think it sums up one of the main things I hate that writers do to Gambit. He has been and is a hero who has proven his worth and mettle over and over again with the X-Men but he gets treated like a joke or someone who isn't worthy of being trusted and at this point that is ridiculous particularly from Rogue. I'm glad someone wrote her as finally getting to see it that way and it's the one thing in the book that I think makes anything that comes after it make any sense. I think that scene really sums up my feelings on Romy quite well in general... I really like it and believe in it but since Carey... there hasn't been really anything to believe in about it.
I also liked Rogue's speech at the end of issue five even if I don't really buy it from her after the past several years. I saw a picture somewhere after the issue came out of Gambit's harbor speech put on top of that one and it fit really well and that was nice to see. I do think Kelly Thompson really likes and gets Romy at least whether you appreciate her take on Gambit or not and I do appreciate it but I also feel like (around here at least) I've got a weird view of Gambit that's maybe an amalgam of X-Men TAS and the comics and maybe a selective memory.
Now onto the Gambit and Rogue parts of X-Men Gold 30... I don't think I get it. I might've before Milligan but since then they've barely been together and barely just started acting normal around each other again. I hope it'll lead somewhere good and let Romy develop better and past the usual garbage but I'm not gonna hold my breath or trust Marvel on that front even if the current X-Editor likes Gambit and Rogue together (I think). I like Rogue's vows but again I don't think I buy them coming from recent Rogue. I mean I guess the last line is true given the current circumstances but you know... I still don't like the non addressing of recent issues between them and the fact that Deadpool is almost immediately showing up in Mr. And Mrs. X is a little weird to me.
So all in all I hope Gambit and Rogue will be fine but I don't trust Marvel and I don't like that it was an editorial mandate. However, I feel like the Romy haters should be a bit happier about this because unless this is the exception that proves the rule (fingers crossed... maybe) Marvel doesn't really like marriages or stable long-term relationships unless CB Cebulski can really change things that much as new EIC so this could be the end of that but I hate being so cynical about things. I think I will trust Kelly Thompson to write them well together because I don't think she really has a favorite and even if she does she does seem to just like Romy as a good relationship and not a joke or cheap cash grab and maybe they can have some good stories before they inevitably split again for whatever dumb reason it is next time. Thanks for reading this long post if you have.
Edit to add: wanted to mention that I liked Gambit's response to Storm's calling Kitty and Peter not getting married fortunate.
Edit 2: Also want to say that even if I don't think they've really earned it necessarily I do appreciate them taking a don't be so uptight about things approach and just trying with Romy both from the writers and characters standpoints.
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That's a lot of text. But I agree. It's sudden. Even KT was against the idea, but I think that is why it's good she's writing it. She has prospective and will probably start filling in gaps that would need to be to make this believable. In a lot of ways I think things are getting blown out of proportion. It really isn't that serious of a leap. People get married for dumber reasons than this and last for years if not until death. Perhaps via movie and other media we look at "what needs to happen before _____" without realizing, no everything isn't so cut and dry or by the numbers.
Also, you find the idea of Deadpool being disruptive, odd? He's Deadpool. This is what he does. I guarantee to you, they won't be the ones seeking him out. This is partially to address the elephant in the room and have fun because as the gauntlet of reactions go that they have to endure, this'll be the most harmless and fun. Besides, it's an ongoing. Deadpool on covers moves books. Deadpool is not an ex-boyfriend, he's a force of nature. I think him inserting himself into their situation at the first chance he got makes sense. He doesn't respect boundaries or personal space. I think this is going to be his attitude; "So where was my invite and how open is this marriage? Are you married or are you married-married?"
Hes harmless. I could understand if we were talking about Magneto or even Johnny, people she acknowledges some sort of relationship with, but it's Deadpool. I think some may be making more out of it than what was there, at least as far as Rogue is concerned. There's no threat there. I personally can't wait to see how Gambit handles it especially taking into account all that happened in Deadpool V Gambit. Should be fun, I think we're taking this too seriously.
And no, you can't compare Gambit's waterfall at night makeout session with wet, naked Storm in private to Rogue kissing Bishop in broad daylight in front of a half dozen of their closest friends just to shock him (because you know, he didn't die). At the time Rogue was kind of on a hippy-kick. But it was innocent. I'm a guy and a Gambit fan, that wasnt the same thing to say it was in my opinion is naive.
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That's a lot of text. But I agree. It's sudden. Even KT was against the idea, but I think that is why it's good she's writing it. She has prospective and will probably start filling in gaps that would need to be to make this believable. In a lot of ways I think things are getting blown out of proportion. It really isn't that serious of a leap. People get married for dumber reasons than this and last for years if not until death. Perhaps via movie and other media we look at "what needs to happen before _____" without realizing, no everything isn't so cut and dry or by the numbers.
Also, you find the idea of Deadpool being disruptive, odd? He's Deadpool. This is what he does. I guarantee to you, they won't be the ones seeking him out. This is partially to address the elephant in the room and have fun because as the gauntlet of reactions go that they have to endure, this'll be the most harmless and fun. Besides, it's an ongoing. Deadpool on covers moves books. Deadpool is not an ex-boyfriend, he's a force of nature. I think him inserting himself into their situation at the first chance he got makes sense. He doesn't respect boundaries or personal space. I think this is going to be his attitude; "So where was my invite and how open is this marriage? Are you married or are you married-married?"
Hes harmless. I could understand if we were talking about Magneto or even Johnny, people she acknowledges some sort of relationship with, but it's Deadpool. I think some may be making more out of it than what was there, at least as far as Rogue is concerned. There's no threat there. I personally can't wait to see how Gambit handles it especially taking into account all that happened in Deadpool V Gambit. Should be fun, I think we're taking this too seriously.
And no, you can't compare Gambit's waterfall at night makeout session with wet, naked Storm in private to Rogue kissing Bishop in broad daylight in front of a half dozen of their closest friends just to shock him (because you know, he didn't die). At the time Rogue was kind of on a hippy-kick. But it was innocent. I'm a guy and a Gambit fan, that wasnt the same thing to say it was in my opinion is naive.
The Gambit/Storm and Rogue/Bishop kisses equate because they were around/at the same time and equally going nowhere. That was the point of the scene with Storm in fact if I'm remembering it correctly. Don't get me wrong it's a weird way to make a point but that's how it goes sometimes in comics. However I know this was a big 'fight' before so that's all I'll say on the matter.
The only thing that I don't like about Deadpool showing up is he is sort of an ex and he is Deadpool so he's weird to deal with and one of the weird recent Rogue things popping up in issue 2 is a little quick. Mostly it comes down to despite my relative trust in Kelly Thompson I have none of that trust for Marvel so I will always distrust when that sort of element pops up given the take on the characters before this year. Hopefully Deadpool is just a device to deal with some of the more recent weirdness that wasn't touched on but he'll probably just be there to be Deadpool and make trouble which is fine if it's harmless.
I think the quickness of things wouldn't be a problem years ago but as I said it seems like Gambit is the only one to be written (sort of) like he still cares and wants there to be more there with Rogue before the Rogue and Gambit series happened. I like Romy and I hope they'll get a chance to just be together for a while without another bunch of garbage piled on top of them but it just doesn't feel as good as it would have for me if this was before X-Men Legacy and if all of the stuff that's happened since then just hadn't happened instead. Rogue and Gambit and even X-Men Gold 30 rings true to me about a decade ago but hopefully Kelly Thompson can do a good job and if she does I might break my not giving Marvel my money stance again for the trade.
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The Gambit/Storm and Rogue/Bishop kisses equate because they were around/at the same time and equally going nowhere. That was the point of the scene with Storm in fact if I'm remembering it correctly. Don't get me wrong it's a weird way to make a point but that's how it goes sometimes in comics. However I know this was a big 'fight' before so that's all I'll say on the matter.
The difference in the Bishop/Storm is that Bishop's kiss was just that. And it was for fun. Gambit and Storm were alone, she was naked, they kissed, broke, weighed the consequences and then went right back in before being interupted. I think difference here was intent. I wholeheartedly believe more may have happened if they didn't get fooled with. Heck, it looked so casual, I think it happened once or twice on the down low once or twice in the past. From there usual demeanor and Storms hot/cold duality, I think theyve been casual partners in the past, which kind of adds a level of betrayal to it. I love depth.
As for Rogue in the Deadpool "threat". She just got the golden ring, literally. This is something she never thought she'd have. I hope this board can get past their silly hatred of a fictional character that's been mostly controlled by writers that dislike Gambit. No she hasn't been the best to him, but ok, it's done. Let's look at her character and analyze this Wade situation. Who here past trolling actually believes that Deadpool stands a snowballs chance in hell when not just put up against Gambit, her fairy tale idea of marriage, but her husband? You think she ever saw anything outside of the moment with Wade? Deadpool wasnt the love of her life, or a what if after high school. He's the guy she made out with half drunk at a kegger. You don't take that seriously. Not the woman anyway. You look back and laugh and keep it moving. If you bump into him you try to be as polite as possible and your husband (Gambit) doesnt blow him to pieces. This issue is going to be fun, not dramatic. Completely harmless. It's Deadpool. Deadpool.
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The difference in the Bishop/Storm is that Bishop's kiss was just that. And it was for fun. Gambit and Storm were alone, she was naked, they kissed, broke, weighed the consequences and then went right back in before being interupted. I think difference here was intent. I wholeheartedly believe more may have happened if they didn't get fooled with. Heck, it looked so casual, I think it happened once or twice on the down low once or twice in the past. From there usual demeanor and Storms hot/cold duality, I think theyve been casual partners in the past, which kind of adds a level of betrayal to it. I love depth.
As for Rogue in the Deadpool "threat". She just got the golden ring, literally. This is something she never thought she'd have. I hope this board can get past their silly hatred of a fictional character that's been mostly controlled by writers that dislike Gambit. No she hasn't been the best to him, but ok, it's done. Let's look at her character and analyze this Wade situation. Who here past trolling actually believes that Deadpool stands a snowballs chance in hell when not just put up against Gambit, her fairy tale idea of marriage, but her husband? You think she ever saw anything outside of the moment with Wade? Deadpool wasnt the love of her life, or a what if after high school. He's the guy she made out with half drunk at a kegger. You don't take that seriously. Not the woman anyway. You look back and laugh and keep it moving. If you bump into him you try to be as polite as possible and your husband (Gambit) doesnt blow him to pieces. This issue is going to be fun, not dramatic. Completely harmless. It's Deadpool. Deadpool.
I don't think Deadpool is a threat it's not Deadpool that matters it could be Johnny Storm too and it would still be an odd choice to insert either of them into Gambit and Rogue's just married series in issue two and making them a big part of the arc. It's not after an arc to establish things and then stick some weird thing from the past in the series it's after an issue. Granted Deadpool was barely anything but he still was something and I just won't understand including him outside of he's popular and cheap drama until the issues come out.
Also I am never, never, never ever going to trust current Marvel with established relationships or giving a crap about continuity. No matter what you or I or history and sense thinks is important to or about a character they don't seem to care about that anymore. I loved all of the things that Gambit and Rogue have been saying and thinking about each other in the 6 issues I read but after what has happened for the past decade it rings really hollow. It feels like 'hey forget that past decade we are so here you go' and that isn't enough for me personally to turn back on my suspension of disbelief and my excitement for the characters I used to just love. I hate that feeling and if I am wrong I will be so happy to have one relationship I care about in comics not get dumped on and just get to happily exist but I will never trust the company that changes things forever all the time won't do that to it given their history and that fact that the current X-editor (Jordan White?) and Kelly Thompson are probably two of the only people there who care about Romy especially and maybe even Gambit himself. That's all I'm saying... that's my only point... continuity stopped mattering as much to Marvel at some point so I will not trust that they care about it or about character consistency and using Romy for anything but cheap drama until I see it for longer than 6 issues. I really hope I see that with this but my guess is whenever Mr. and Mrs. X stops so will Romy again.
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I don't think Deadpool is a threat it's not Deadpool that matters it could be Johnny Storm too and it would still be an odd choice to insert either of them into Gambit and Rogue's just married series in issue two and making them a big part of the arc. It's not after an arc to establish things and then stick some weird thing from the past in the series it's after an issue. Granted Deadpool was barely anything but he still was something and I just won't understand including him outside of he's popular and cheap drama until the issues come out.
Also I am never, never, never ever going to trust current Marvel with established relationships or giving a crap about continuity. No matter what you or I or history and sense thinks is important to or about a character they don't seem to care about that anymore. I loved all of the things that Gambit and Rogue have been saying and thinking about each other in the 6 issues I read but after what has happened for the past decade it rings really hollow. It feels like 'hey forget that past decade we are so here you go' and that isn't enough for me personally to turn back on my suspension of disbelief and my excitement for the characters I used to just love. I hate that feeling and if I am wrong I will be so happy to have one relationship I care about in comics not get dumped on and just get to happily exist but I will never trust the company that changes things forever all the time won't do that to it given their history and that fact that the current X-editor (Jordan White?) and Kelly Thompson are probably two of the only people there who care about Romy especially and maybe even Gambit himself. That's all I'm saying... that's my only point... continuity stopped mattering as much to Marvel at some point so I will not trust that they care about it or about character consistency and using Romy for anything but cheap drama until I see it for longer than 6 issues. I really hope I see that with this but my guess is whenever Mr. and Mrs. X stops so will Romy again.
Oh, your right. Its probably best not to trust Marvel, the company, with anything like this, but KTs track record thus far is pretty good IMO. And again, I wouldn't expect "drama". That means your taking Deadpool seriously. If it was Johnny huffing and puffing or Magneto scowling, then I'd be a little annoyed, but not with Wade. Never Wade. I think this is a kind of a parody of what they might eventually have to go through when confronted by a real ex. Instead of grandstanding, chest bumping and serious faces and thoughtful smirks, we got Deadpool who's probably going to be self-deprecating.
Funny thing... a few months ago Zubb (UA writer after Duggan that was pushing Torch and Rogue together) and Duggan (Deadpool writer and the one that started that whole thing) were exchanging jabs with KT on twitter. Someone else got involved too. It seemed playful enough, but now it looks as if they knew what we didn't. Editorial probably squashed both Duggan and Zubb's pushes for her to be with their characters and in turn were salty over it. About the same time R&G was finishing up (or halfway through), which I assume is about the same time they came up with the Gold#30 switch.
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I like KT as writer and kinda trust her.
But at the same time she is the only writer that is using Rogue/Deadpool after Duggan.
He mentioned that Rogue dated Deadpool in Hawkeye solo when X-23 was talking with Kate.
She mentioned it in R&G#1.
And now Deadpool will appear in MMX.
I excited about Deadpool appearence but I think that KT gives Deadpool and Rogue to much importance.
It was just a kiss. Nothing more.
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I'm not the "ignore it if you don't like it". KT seems to be really about using continuity. Fact of the matter, it happened, why not use it? Rogur has history with Wade and with the dvg mini, so do Gambit and he. It's probably going to be funny.
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I'm not the "ignore it if you don't like it". KT seems to be really about using continuity. Fact of the matter, it happened, why not use it? Rogur has history with Wade and with the dvg mini, so do Gambit and he. It's probably going to be funny.
I think it is just bothers me that KT loves Rogue/Gambit and likes also Rogue/Deadpool and even Rogue/Magneto but Gambit she likes only with Rogue.
So if she will write about Rogue past romances with Wade or Magneto, which is hardly can be called a romance becuase first was just a kiss and second just a sex, she will write them in a good and respectfull way.
And I don't think that rogneto even deserved explanation that KT created in R&G. It was a bad written plot. And I hope KT won't be adding any layers for that to make it not as ugly.
Or to write Mags as happy grandpa that cares.
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From what we were given in Legacy I guess you can assume it was just a physical relationship for Rogue, especially with what she told Gambit in R&G (she basically called him an experiment). But I think it was more than that for Magneto and similarly with Wade. Rogue may have been just playing the field, but I believe it meant something more to both. And the way Zubb wrote Torch, him too. They didnt know they were just booty calls or whims. Or uh... Ports.
As for why she told Gambit, well I think he deserved some kind of explanation. Maybe he didn't want it but she needed to air it out. By "she", you could easily mean KT and instead of it being Gambit, she was addressing the fanbase. It may not have been the degree that some wanted it but it was her way of trying to make sense of it. It was a bad look.
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From what we were given in Legacy I guess you can assume it was just a physical relationship for Rogue, especially with what she told Gambit in R&G (she basically called him an experiment). But I think it was more than that for Magneto and similarly with Wade. Rogue may have been just playing the field, but I believe it meant something more to both. And the way Zubb wrote Torch, him too. They didnt know they were just booty calls or whims. Or uh... Ports.
As for why she told Gambit, well I think he deserved some kind of explanation. Maybe he didn't want it but she needed to air it out. By "she", you could easily mean KT and instead of it being Gambit, she was addressing the fanbase. It may not have been the degree that some wanted it but it was her way of trying to make sense of it. It was a bad look.
KT fid her best to resolve Rogneto. I respect this.
I understand that she has only a few panels to explain this. But all brainwashed stuff from AOX was ignored.
Carey just used AOX brainwashing so Rogue can have sex with Magneto.
I don't Mags to appear in MMX so KT who is a good writer will try to explain bad writing of Carey in some good way.
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I think it is just bothers me that KT loves Rogue/Gambit and likes also Rogue/Deadpool and even Rogue/Magneto but Gambit she likes only with Rogue.
Yeah, it bothers me as well. It`s because Rogue is KT`s favorite. I actually feel the same about Gambit. I would love to see him develop other relationships but it kinda makes me angry when Rogue gets involved with someone else because it is as if she is betraying Remy after all their history together (even though they were broken up). And I haven`t cared about her character for a long time probably since Carey completely ruined her for me.
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KT fid her best to resolve Rogneto. I respect this.
I understand that she has only a few panels to explain this. But all brainwashed stuff from AOX was ignored.
Carey just used AOX brainwashing so Rogue can have sex with Magneto.
I don't Mags to appear in MMX so KT who is a good writer will try to explain bad writing of Carey in some good way.
The AoX brainwashing was explained within the same issue. It's not like she went to bed with him and woke up the next day and was like "what am I doing". She consciously chose to keep the Legacy persona and everything that came with it, and it that included her "feelings" for Magneto of AoX. It definitely is the reason she chose to sleep Magneto (because that's exactly what Carey said happened), but it was still her choice to explore those new feelings, which I don't think where there with 616 Rogue's original personality. Up until that point she had thwarted all of Magneto's advances, then after a few hours alone, the full-Monty? It was bad, ruched, desperate writing on Carey's part and it sullies the his whole in my eyes, which for the most part was pretty darn good.
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Q: I have a really big question about Rogue and Deadpool relation. I remember in Gambit v Deadpool mini series they become a good friend. Further more Wade said that he's not interested in any of Remy's girls. And I always thought it's some kind of men's solidarity. But after all that mess in uncanny avengers I was really confused and I thought maybe the author simply didn't read recent books. So hope you can make it all clear and save Gambit and Deadpool friendship))
A: I’ve read that mini-series and I don’t know that I would call them “good friends.”
I would say they are - on a good day - friends. And I don’t think these are their best days in that Remy IS a little salty about Deadpool making out with Rogue. But Remy also knows that Rogue is her own person and is allowed what to do what she wants (certainly they were not together at the time) which makes it none of his business. He knows that…but emotion doesn’t always follow logic, and so, yeah, Gambit IS a bit grouchy about the Rogue/Deadpool thing (and feeling a little betrayed that Deadpool would do that). But I also think Remy is a bigger (and better man) than that and it’s not something he has to (or will) hold onto long term. He’s also, despite some jokes we made in issue 1 of R&G, a supremely confident dude (with good reason), he knows he has nothing to fear from #Dogue. ;D
I am glad that KT read DvG mini. Friends shouldn`t ever have anything romantic with their bud`s girlfriends or ex-girlfriends. So if Gambit and Deapool will be kinda friends or old friends in XXM then Wade deserves a punch from Gambit for sure.
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KT also brought up the fear angle, that Rogue had always been 'scared of her future.' And she's nice she had already grown up with a manipulative, abusive mutant supremist parent (mystique), running to mags would actually have been the psychological equivalent of 'running back home to mama.' Sounds very weird, but really somewhat common for former abused kids, because even though it sucks, it's 'familiar' something they were used to.
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I would say they are - on a good day - friends. And I don’t think these are their best days in that Remy IS a little salty about Deadpool making out with Rogue. But Remy also knows that Rogue is her own person and is allowed what to do what she wants (certainly they were not together at the time) which makes it none of his business. He knows that…but emotion doesn’t always follow logic, and so, yeah, Gambit IS a bit grouchy about the Rogue/Deadpool thing (and feeling a little betrayed that Deadpool would do that). But I also think Remy is a bigger (and better man) than that and it’s not something he has to (or will) hold onto long term. He’s also, despite some jokes we made in issue 1 of R&G, a supremely confident dude (with good reason), he knows he has nothing to fear from #Dogue. ;D
I'm glad she addressed it and that's kind of how I read into it as well. Remy's probably a little jealous but doesn't let it get to him because he's, in the long-run, better than Deadpool in the romantic sense. Plus, he got the girl.
KT also brought up the fear angle, that Rogue had always been 'scared of her future.' And she's nice she had already grown up with a manipulative, abusive mutant supremist parent (mystique), running to mags would actually have been the psychological equivalent of 'running back home to mama.' Sounds very weird, but really somewhat common for former abused kids, because even though it sucks, it's 'familiar' something they were used to.
This is pretty much why I've never been a fan of Rogue/Magneto.
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KT also brought up the fear angle, that Rogue had always been 'scared of her future.' And she's nice she had already grown up with a manipulative, abusive mutant supremist parent (mystique), running to mags would actually have been the psychological equivalent of 'running back home to mama.' Sounds very weird, but really somewhat common for former abused kids, because even though it sucks, it's 'familiar' something they were used to.
Interesting point. I've always suspected Rogue's inability to control her powers were linked to some form of abuse. I think it's well established that her lack of control is at least partly psychological, like it's a subconscious way of keeping away anyone who could potentially hurt her. Idk if that's ever been explored though. Just a theory.
As for the mind controlled aspect of Rogneto not coming up in her conversation with Gambit, maybe she doesn't want to admit to it--we know she didn't like SK's involvement with her first meeting with Remy, so I could see her not being comfortable with admitting that it happened again with Mags. Or maybe she felt like she "chose" to be with Mags despite knowing that her thoughts were not entirely her own? Idk...I thought KT did the best she could with trying to rationalize that storyline without taking a swipe at Carey and angering fans of Rogneto. It is what it is, I guess.
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Q: Been talking people off of the ledge for couple days now. Personally, I'm stoked, but some are concerned about Wade making an appearance so early in the series (I don't understand why...). I know he's probably the least threat to Rogue and Gambit's union in the pantheon of ex-"_______s" out there. I'm so looking forward to how you play these three off of each other as they all have history. Without giving anything away, of course, can you give us an idea of the tone of issue #3?
A: I guess I can understand someone being worried if they did NOT read “Ring of Fire”…but if a person read “Ring of Fire” it’s hard for me to understand their worry - that whole book is obviously a love letter to those characters and written by someone that has NO INTENTION of breaking them up anytime soon.
But just because I don’t intend to break them up, doesn’t mean stories don’t need conflict. Conflict is GOOD. Conflict allows us to see what’s strong and amazing about Rogue and Gambit, how they can battle through to fight another day, how they are magic together.
And yeah, throwing a wild card like Deadpool at them - who they both have some history with - is like throwing a tiny little bomb at their brand new marriage - but it’s the kind of bomb that can make you come out the other side stronger than ever!
The tone of issues 2 and 3, which is primarily where Deadpool appears, is best described as “high-octane fun.” :D
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That's great! So glad that Laura and Storm are his grooms(wo)men
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That's great! So glad that Laura and Storm are his grooms(wo)men
Me too. Glad to see his best friends with him.
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I'm happy to see them here, but at the same I kinda wish he had more people he could call 'friends'. I think Logan could have been classified as such up as recently as the X-23 first solo.
And Sage. Sort of?
I'm not counting any of those once-and-done friend/acquaintances from his solos either. But if I did? Definitely Jacob/Jackie Gavin.
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Storm adjusting his tie! I love it!
Yeah it's a shame Logan wasn't attending.
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Gambit and Logan were friends in 90s. Now Logan died. Was dead a few years and returned. And we heard 0 thoughts about his death from Remy.
Their friendship is forgotten.
Storm and Laura are the only one who are still written as his friends.
I hope RED will change it at least a little bit. Also I think that Gambit/Deadpool has a huge potential.
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I'm happy to see them here, but at the same I kinda wish he had more people he could call 'friends'. I think Logan could have been classified as such up as recently as the X-23 first solo.
And Sage. Sort of?
I'm not counting any of those once-and-done friend/acquaintances from his solos either. But if I did? Definitely Jacob/Jackie Gavin.
I want to see Fence again.
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Storm as Gambit's "Best Woman" makes the most sense, Laura's been very close with Remy in recent years thanks to Liu. Would've loved Wolverine, but he's strange when it comes to weddings, Bishop was very close with Gambit but they've hardly said anything to each other since X-Treme. Jubilee would've been a candidate too maybe?
For Rogue, Nightcrawler is family, so yes, but Iceman?...yes and no...I mean that road trip story was such a long time ago, Rogue and Bobby haven't really had any meaningful interactions since. With Rogue's friendships, I'd still say Storm, Wolverine, Colossus, Kitty, Nightcrawler, Psylocke and Rachel have had a lot more history with Rogue ahead of Iceman, especially the 80's. But I suppose Guggenheim had that story arc where Iceman and Rogue were organising a rescue team, so yeah, why not I guess...
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Haha Laura fixing his hair. I’m excited for this scene, especially since I just reread UXM 266-67. I may get emotional, not gonna lie.
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Interesting point. I've always suspected Rogue's inability to control her powers were linked to some form of abuse. I think it's well established that her lack of control is at least partly psychological, like it's a subconscious way of keeping away anyone who could potentially hurt her. Idk if that's ever been explored though. Just a theory.
As for the mind controlled aspect of Rogneto not coming up in her conversation with Gambit, maybe she doesn't want to admit to it--we know she didn't like SK's involvement with her first meeting with Remy, so I could see her not being comfortable with admitting that it happened again with Mags. Or maybe she felt like she "chose" to be with Mags despite knowing that her thoughts were not entirely her own? Idk...I thought KT did the best she could with trying to rationalize that storyline without taking a swipe at Carey and angering fans of Rogneto. It is what it is, I guess.
Hmm the rogneto fans were a frothing after gold 30.nothing was going to stop that. Some still going on as if gambit and this marriage are an insignificant step in her life. Given her character this would be right up their in major events. Shes always abit serious about that topic.
I like that KT is leaving the triangles behind and looking for other avenies to tell stories. Now just to support her a bit.
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Storm as Gambit's "Best Woman" makes the most sense, Laura's been very close with Remy in recent years thanks to Liu. Would've loved Wolverine, but he's strange when it comes to weddings, Bishop was very close with Gambit but they've hardly said anything to each other since X-Treme. Jubilee would've been a candidate too maybe?
For Rogue, Nightcrawler is family, so yes, but Iceman?...yes and no...I mean that road trip story was such a long time ago, Rogue and Bobby haven't really had any meaningful interactions since. With Rogue's friendships, I'd still say Storm, Wolverine, Colossus, Kitty, Nightcrawler, Psylocke and Rachel have had a lot more history with Rogue ahead of Iceman, especially the 80's. But I suppose Guggenheim had that story arc where Iceman and Rogue were organising a rescue team, so yeah, why not I guess...
I think people forget that before Bobby came out, in the mid 90s basically before and during road trip he was kind falling in love with Rogue. Heck two sepesepa universes he absolutely did. I think if the Bobby werew seeing turns out to be Mystique in disguise, itd make sense to me. I'd actually love that. Far-fetched I know but work with me. Mystique was mascarading as a server. She sees the proposal and between then and Rogue going to get ready jumps Bobby, KOs him and takes his place. Before she goes out "Bobby" asks for a moment alone and reveals himself to be Mystique. Insert tender moment.
It's that or Mystique is going to try to kill Gambit for making her miss her only daughter's wedding.
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I'm glad she addressed it and that's kind of how I read into it as well. Remy's probably a little jealous but doesn't let it get to him because he's, in the long-run, better than Deadpool in the romantic sense. Plus, he got the girl.
Plus, as Gambit pointed out, he has a face. :D
I have faith in KT's ability to pull off the storyline, and keep it fun. I've genuinely liked everything she's written in comics. She got me into Jem, which I picked up on a whim from the library and really enjoyed.
My somewhat sceptical sense is that Deadpool might be editorially mandated, though. You have a new book, which you want to get sales. Deadpool is huge at the moment both in and out of hard-core fandom. You're going to find a way to get him on the cover of as many books as possible.
As others have said, I would totally have him hit on Rogue and get shot down, and then shrug and hit on Gambit. You know Wade would.
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Interesting twist...I think it would be more in character if she didn't reveal herself and only the audience sees it.
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Hmm the rogneto fans were a frothing after gold 30. nothing was going to stop that. Some still going on as if gambit and this marriage are an insignificant step in her life. Given her character this would be right up their in major events. Shes always abit serious about that topic.
I am a bad person, because I am enjoying their frothing more than I should. They were just so obnoxious about Gambit during the Carey years.
I like Magneto; I think he's an iconic character with a powerful story. I just don't get him and Rogue at all. Like, what do they even talk about? What do they do on a date? I can't even imagine it on a purely physical level, because you know he's not that good in bed.
And, yeah, I don't imagine that any marriage in comics is permanent. It's the nature of the medium. But I think this marriage will be a feature of their stories for a good few years to come, even if it was spontaneous.
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I am a bad person, because I am enjoying their frothing more than I should. They were just so obnoxious about Gambit during the Carey years.
I’m totally enjoying it.
I like Magneto; I think he's an iconic character with a powerful story. I just don't get him and Rogue at all. Like, what do they even talk about? What do they do on a date? I can't even imagine it on a purely physical level, because you know he's not that good in bed.
Yeah, I like to think he isn’t cause, you know, Rogneto is repulsive. I’ve been reading old issues from the late 80’s and for a bitter old man Magneto is apparently irresistible to women. I honestly don’t get his appeal at all.
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I’m totally enjoying it.
Yeah, I like to think he isn’t cause, you know, Rogneto is repulsive. I’ve been reading old issues from the late 80’s and for a bitter old man Magneto is apparently irresistible to women. I honestly don’t get his appeal at all.
That's probably why they had to de-age him haha or worse yet, create Joseph.
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That's probably why they had to de-age him haha or worse yet, create Joseph.
Tell me about it. I roll my eyes when I think about it.
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At least Joseph made sense. I still wonder if he was truly meant to be Magneto de-aged or a clone the whole time? I mean when he's found by the nun, he's got a full beard and wearing Magneto's clothes... Then it turns out to be impostor, but that real one is really Xorn? Came off as editorial not knowing what they ultimately wanted to do and kept changing their minds.
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Well KT already said there's not going to be triangles. I dont see the problem with stirring the pot. I think it's going to be fun and humorous. Perhaps we getting too serious. Those solicits sound fun. I don't get this "shes underplaying Gambit" stuff, but Red with it's 1000 characters is supposed to be better somehow? I don't see it.
Writer vs Writer from what I've seen thus far? Tom Taylor is lacking in several areas writing the X-Men. Gambit's inclusion is the only reason I'm still reading Red. His monologues come off like Twitter rants. KT however has shown me enough that I'lI even give West Coast Avengers a try.
Red isn't billed as a book with just 2 people starring. This book is so expectations are rightfully different. I have no interest in seeing Gambit being the butt of Deadpool jokes about him making out with his now wife or even a hint of jealously from Gambit. Not because I don't have a sense of humor but because it is boring, overdone and cliche. It is pretty much wasted panel space IMO. Deadpool and Rogue didn't have a long enough relationship for Gambit to care one iota about it and it was already dumb in the mini that he chose to address it.
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Q: Been talking people off of the ledge for couple days now. Personally, I'm stoked, but some are concerned about Wade making an appearance so early in the series (I don't understand why...). I know he's probably the least threat to Rogue and Gambit's union in the pantheon of ex-"_______s" out there. I'm so looking forward to how you play these three off of each other as they all have history. Without giving anything away, of course, can you give us an idea of the tone of issue #3?
A: I guess I can understand someone being worried if they did NOT read “Ring of Fire”…but if a person read “Ring of Fire” it’s hard for me to understand their worry - that whole book is obviously a love letter to those characters and written by someone that has NO INTENTION of breaking them up anytime soon.
But just because I don’t intend to break them up, doesn’t mean stories don’t need conflict. Conflict is GOOD. Conflict allows us to see what’s strong and amazing about Rogue and Gambit, how they can battle through to fight another day, how they are magic together.
And yeah, throwing a wild card like Deadpool at them - who they both have some history with - is like throwing a tiny little bomb at their brand new marriage - but it’s the kind of bomb that can make you come out the other side stronger than ever!
The tone of issues 2 and 3, which is primarily where Deadpool appears, is best described as “high-octane fun.” :D
Think the issue is the conflict is one sided. Deadpool isn't going to be making moves on Gambit. It will be Rogue. So once again Rogue is the center of attention and Gambit has to in theory justify why he is worthy of her. Not the other way around. Gambit pledged he will try to always be worthy of her implying it is something he has to actively pursue. Meanwhile Rogue basically promised that "hey even if I screw around with other dudes like Mags or Deadpool," I will always find my way back to you. It just always feels like Rogue is the prize and will always be the prize and Gambit will forever be tested. Meanwhile, whatever happens, Rogue doesn't really have to try at the relationship. All she has to do is be willing to be with Gambit and he will always be ready to take her back. There is nothing that currently suggests Rogue will ever have to prove worthy of Gambit's love. So the relationship is always on her terms.
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Best thing to come out of the news thus far.
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Think the issue is the conflict is one sided. Deadpool isn't going to be making moves on Gambit. It will be Rogue. So once again Rogue is the center of attention and Gambit has to in theory justify why he is worthy of her. Not the other way around. Gambit pledged he will try to always be worthy of her implying it is something he has to actively pursue. Meanwhile Rogue basically promised that "hey even if I screw around with other dudes like Mags or Deadpool," I will always find my way back to you. It just always feels like Rogue is the prize and will always be the prize and Gambit will forever be tested. Meanwhile, whatever happens, Rogue doesn't really have to try at the relationship. All she has to do is be willing to be with Gambit and he will always be ready to take her back. There is nothing that currently suggests Rogue will ever have to prove worthy of Gambit's love. So the relationship is always on her terms.
From what KT has said, I don't think she's going to play the Deadpool issue for any real drama. It's not going to be a love triangle. I imagine that it's going to be fun and silly. Deadpool will hit on Rogue, and she will shoot him down hard. She's still basically on her honeymoon, after all. She's not a monster. At that point, he may very well make moves on Gambit. He's pansexual. He would do someone as hot as Gambit in a heartbeat, and KT has queer representation in some of her other books.
And Rogue's vows were actually much sweeter than you may be giving her credit for. She's not saying that she will indiscriminately have sex with other men, and expect him to forgive her. She's responding to a speech that Gambit made in Legacy, and telling him that she's decided to come home to him and make him her end-point. I'll attach the relevant panel.
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Red isn't billed as a book with just 2 people starring.
Your right. I think it's up to 10 now. ;)
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From what KT has said, I don't think she's going to play the Deadpool issue for any real drama. It's not going to be a love triangle. I imagine that it's going to be fun and silly. Deadpool will hit on Rogue, and she will shoot him down hard. She's still basically on her honeymoon, after all. She's not a monster. At that point, he may very well make moves on Gambit. He's pansexual. He would do someone as hot as Gambit in a heartbeat, and KT has queer representation in some of her other books.
And Rogue's vows were actually much sweeter than you may be giving her credit for. She's not saying that she will indiscriminately have sex with other men, and expect him to forgive her. She's responding to a speech that Gambit made in Legacy, and telling him that she's decided to come home to him and make him her end-point. I'll attach the relevant panel.
I don't expect him to go after Gambit at all. Not sure why anyone is going that way. He'll crack jokes and to be honest, due to Deadpool's 4th-wall breaking omnipresence it makes sense for him to show up so soon. Any longer would be odd due to his lack of decorum. I lot of people on both sides of this issue are taking things too seriously.
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From what KT has said, I don't think she's going to play the Deadpool issue for any real drama. It's not going to be a love triangle. I imagine that it's going to be fun and silly. Deadpool will hit on Rogue, and she will shoot him down hard. She's still basically on her honeymoon, after all. She's not a monster. At that point, he may very well make moves on Gambit. He's pansexual. He would do someone as hot as Gambit in a heartbeat, and KT has queer representation in some of her other books.
And Rogue's vows were actually much sweeter than you may be giving her credit for. She's not saying that she will indiscriminately have sex with other men, and expect him to forgive her. She's responding to a speech that Gambit made in Legacy, and telling him that she's decided to come home to him and make him her end-point. I'll attach the relevant panel.
I don't think there will be a love triangle as it is obvious Rogue will choose Gambit. I simply think having Deadpool there and making any move on Rogue even in jest just reinforces the idea that she is the prize or desirable one. When is the last time Rogue was made to feel she had to compete for Gambit's affection? His solo with Asmus? 2 issues in and Gambit is already sharing panel time with a former love interest of Rogue's? Why should that interest me?
And I know what Rogue was referring to with her vow. It isn't endearing or sweet to me because I know what she did to Gambit right after that speech. She made a mockery of the speech by using it as an excuse to sleep with someone that nearly caused Gambit's death. So no need to produce the panel unless you also going to produce the panel where Rogue said Gambit was right that in matters of love, reasons for and against fall away right before banging Mags. That was really sweet of her to respond to Gambit's speech like that but glad she finally found her way back to him after banging/making out with a few dudes. Can't wait until she has to sow more wild oats because at least she will find her way back to him eventually.
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From what KT has said, I don't think she's going to play the Deadpool issue for any real drama. It's not going to be a love triangle. I imagine that it's going to be fun and silly. Deadpool will hit on Rogue, and she will shoot him down hard. She's still basically on her honeymoon, after all. She's not a monster. At that point, he may very well make moves on Gambit. He's pansexual. He would do someone as hot as Gambit in a heartbeat, and KT has queer representation in some of her other books.
And Rogue's vows were actually much sweeter than you may be giving her credit for. She's not saying that she will indiscriminately have sex with other men, and expect him to forgive her. She's responding to a speech that Gambit made in Legacy, and telling him that she's decided to come home to him and make him her end-point. I'll attach the relevant panel.
Thanks for providing the context (and image)! I'd forgotten about that happening.
Also, I like your new avatar!
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I don't think there will be a love triangle as it is obvious Rogue will choose Gambit. I simply think having Deadpool there and making any move on Rogue even in jest just reinforces the idea that she is the prize or desirable one. When is the last time Rogue was made to feel she had to compete for Gambit's affection? His solo with Asmus? 2 issues in and Gambit is already sharing panel time with a former love interest of Rogue's? Why should that interest me?
And I know what Rogue was referring to with her vow. It isn't endearing or sweet to me because I know what she did to Gambit right after that speech. She made a mockery of the speech by using it as an excuse to sleep with someone that nearly caused Gambit's death. So no need to produce the panel unless you also going to produce the panel where Rogue said Gambit was right that in matters of love, reasons for and against fall away right before banging Mags. That was really sweet of her to respond to Gambit's speech like that but glad she finally found her way back to him after banging/making out with a few dudes. Can't wait until she has to sow more wild oats because at least she will find her way back to him eventually.
Little foggy... Havent you been saying Gambit shouldn't care about her past partners?
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I'm in maybe the unusual position of loving Gambit and Rogue equally as characters. They are both my precious children.
I agree that Rogue has been presented as more of a prize, which is why I genuinely would enjoy the reversal of Deadpool going after Gambit. I actually wish Gambit saw Rogue as less of a prize, and more as the equally messed-up, imperfect person that she is. It would be healthier for both of them.
As to the older events, I guess I don't see Rogue as being at fault in deciding to sleep with other people. Gambit made his terms clear, and she wasn't at a point where she was willing or even perhaps able to accept them, out of fear or flightiness or something else. That's her perogative. It doesn't matter how much someone loves you; you aren't obligated to return their feelings. Knowing that, he did not need to wait for her. That's ultimately his decision. Or, rather, the writers' decision.
Besides, it's not like he didn't sleep with other people during their time apart. Probably way, way more than Rogue did, based on what she said about getting those phone calls. And, again, he's not at fault for doing that.
With that said, don't get me wrong. Marvel has treated Gambit horribly, and have used Rogue to do that. It's part of the reason why I stopped reading the books for five years. I just am optimistic that Marvel is turning it around now. Gambit is in three books, including an ongoing that focuses 50% on him and almost certainly will try to fix a lot of the crap that has happened to him. That's pretty exciting to me. :)
Basically, I guess that I blamed the writers and not Rogue, and expressed my feelings with my wallet.
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I think the best feeling that explains a large chunk of this board would have to be 'very cautiously optimistic'. (Deep down, I think even remydat has a little bit of optimism that is begging to be heard). :P
At this point I'll be reserving any further judgement on either until I see the book. Just a couple more weeks.
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Little foggy... Havent you been saying Gambit shouldn't care about her past partners?
Yes but the point is, he is not necessarily written that way. In the mini, instead of not caring, he was asking about the kiss. Like WTF, 90s Gambit woud not have given a sh*t about that. Deadpool is a blip on the radar. And I suspect there will be some sort of scene in this book where Gambit will express some sort of concern about Deadpool even if it is in a humorous way. From my perspective as a Gambit fan, I think that is garbage. They just got married and I already have to read about Rogue's Ex and a see a cover where Deadpool is squeezing out Gambit? I get that for some people it will be amusing. There was a time where I would have found it amusing too when that sort of humor was equally distributed. But it is always the case now that those kind's of jokes are always at Gambit's expense particularly when Rogue is involved.
Perhaps over the course of the series, there will be a tit for tat and equal representation and when that is evident, I may revisit this book in trade but I have no reason to believe that because even in the mini, as well written as it was, Rogue was still the obvious star and the subject for which the mini was built around. And now this arc will apparently revolve around her and her two most recent love interests. In the end though, to each his/her own. We don't all have to like the same things.
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Cautious is fair. And for whatever it's worth, KT had input in the wedding issue, but Guggenheim wrote it. During the find my way back line, the focus turns to kitty and peter. I think he was probably referencing the harbor speech, but also trying to leave that kitty/peter door open for future stories.
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I'm in maybe the unusual position of loving Gambit and Rogue equally as characters. They are both my precious children.
I agree that Rogue has been presented as more of a prize, which is why I genuinely would enjoy the reversal of Deadpool going after Gambit. I actually wish Gambit saw Rogue as less of a prize, and more as the equally messed-up, imperfect person that she is. It would be healthier for both of them.
As to the older events, I guess I don't see Rogue as being at fault in deciding to sleep with other people. Gambit made his terms clear, and she wasn't at a point where she was willing or even perhaps able to accept them, out of fear or flightiness or something else. That's her perogative. It doesn't matter how much someone loves you; you aren't obligated to return their feelings. Knowing that, he did not need to wait for her. That's ultimately his decision. Or, rather, the writers' decision.
Besides, it's not like he didn't sleep with other people during their time apart. Probably way, way more than Rogue did, based on what she said about getting those phone calls. And, again, he's not at fault for doing that.
With that said, don't get me wrong. Marvel has treated Gambit horribly, and have used Rogue to do that. It's part of the reason why I stopped reading the books for five years. I just am optimistic that Marvel is turning it around now. Gambit is in three books, including an ongoing that focuses 50% on him and almost certainly will try to fix a lot of the crap that has happened to him. That's pretty exciting to me. :)
Basically, I guess that I blamed the writers and not Rogue, and expressed my feelings with my wallet.
I fall in the same category as you, liking both characters equally. I find myself at times defending (or not) either character's behaviour at different times for different plots. It's enough to make your head spin sometimes, hence why I too like to blame the writers. ;) That's the crux of comics, sometimes you get a writer who sees a character the way you do, other times not so much.
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As to the older events, I guess I don't see Rogue as being at fault in deciding to sleep with other people. Gambit made his terms clear, and she wasn't at a point where she was willing or even perhaps able to accept them, out of fear or flightiness or something else. That's her perogative. It doesn't matter how much someone loves you; you aren't obligated to return their feelings. Knowing that, he did not need to wait for her. That's ultimately his decision. Or, rather, the writers' decision.
Rogue can sleep with who she wants but the consequence is when she says what she does at the altar, my first thought is the harbor speech and my second thought is her banging Mags right after said harbor speech. So I am sure the writers intent was for it to be sweet and endearing but the implications of what she said takes on a different meaning when you know what she did right after that harbor speech. So I was simply explaining why her vows were not sweet to me at all but I get other people may react differently to it.
Further, it is just a huge contrast. Gambit is essentially saying he will always strive to be worthy of her which is a firm commitment while Rogue is already thinking of things not working out and finding her way back to him. I think it is a perfect microcosm of my issue with the relationship. Gambit only ever wants to prove himself to Rogue while Rogue is always thinking about how things can go wrong albeit this time, she is saying if they do she will find a way back to him. I suppose that is progress but personally I'd prefer my wife be unequivocally optimistic rather than building in caveats or out clauses in her vows.
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I think the best feeling that explains a large chunk of this board would have to be 'very cautiously optimistic'. (Deep down, I think even remydat has a little bit of optimism that is begging to be heard). :P
At this point I'll be reserving any further judgement on either until I see the book. Just a couple more weeks.
Oh I certainly would prefer for my concerns to not materialize as I grew up on XTAS Romy which had the right balance of conflict but ultimately commitment between the two characters. Unfortunately I suppose the comic book writers wanted their version of Romy to seem more adult than a children's cartoon so over the years they have written a Rogue that I ultimately despise from the perspective of her relationship with Gambit. Just once I would love Rogue to unequivocally tell Gambit, he will always be worthy of her and that she now needs to prove she is worthy of his undying love as it was Gambit not Rogue that carried that flame. It is Gambit not Rogue that always believed in them. And it is Rogue not Gambit that needs to prove she truly loves Gambit.
I still haven't seen that proof yet and not sure I will ever see it so long as writers continue to write Rogue as the prize. I honestly can't think of a single thing Rogue has done in the comics in the last decade to suggest she is worthy of Gambit's love. She has not done anything recently to put herself out there on a limb for him. Even in the mini, she didn't put herself out there. She was force fed a solution to her reservations by absorbing memories.
Where the hell is the girl that threw herself on top of Gambit and took a stake to the heart? Where is the girl that refused to let him accept death and go to heaven and dragged him back from the death itself? Rogue hasn't fought this relationship since Gambit became death and deep down I think Romy fans know that to be true. But sure, I hope KT will show me that Rogue at some point and not this version of Rogue where Gambit's love comes cheap.
In fact, at this point, I would count Sinister as a better friend to Gambit than Rogue or Storm for that matter and frankly I am shocked he didn't turn up to the wedding as Gambit's best man.
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Skottie Young art
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In the R&G thread too. :)
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In fact, at this point, I would count Sinister as a better friend to Gambit than Rogue or Storm for that matter and frankly I am shocked he didn't turn up to the wedding as Gambit's best man.
... I smell the perfect plot for a one-shot fanfiction.
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In fact, at this point, I would count Sinister as a better friend to Gambit than Rogue or Storm for that matter and frankly I am shocked he didn't turn up to the wedding as Gambit's best man.
Agree.
It was a spontaneous wedding. Essex just don`t care about Kitty and Colossus.
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In fact, at this point, I would count Sinister as a better friend to Gambit than Rogue or Storm for that matter and frankly I am shocked he didn't turn up to the wedding as Gambit's best man.
You see... you've all made Sinister into a clown you can put into a monkey suit and be the Wedding bouncer. Sinister, Mr. Sinister is not here f'joke!
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By Lucio Parrillo
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Don't like Gambit's hair and it is clearly not a bo stuff in his hand.
Not a fan of this pic.
So far I kinda like only Ramos variant. All others are not very good.
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I posted about this on cbr but I wanted to see what you guys think. I read Mystery in Madripoor #2 and Rogue and Storm are being held in the same room as a captured mind-sapped Magneto. It's safe to assume that all three will be free at some point. I'm very interested to see how Rogue and Magneto interact. This could be their first meaningful interaction since she turned down his proposal in Legacy. Hopefully their dialogue doesn't cast doubts on Gambit and Rogue's relationship, and hopefully doesn't make Remy look bad/like a chump. I already wasn't a huge fan of their wedding vows (especially Rogue's) and we know Zub isn't a fan of Romy. How do you guys think Rogue and Magneto's interaction will go?
Does anybody know if Mystery in Madripoor takes place before or after R&G, and Xmen Gold #30?
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Agree. It was a spontaneous wedding. Essex just don`t care about Kitty and Colossus.
I imagine Sinister secretly records Gambit so when he saw the proposal he would drop what he was doing and get to the wedding ASAP.
You see... you've all made Sinister into a clown you can put into a monkey suit and be the Wedding bouncer. Sinister, Mr. Sinister is not here f'joke!
Waiting for it to be revealed that Sinister killed the Rabbi once he arrived at the surprise wedding, disguised himself as the Rabbi and presided over Gambit's wedding.
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I posted about this on cbr but I wanted to see what you guys think. I read Mystery in Madripoor #2 and Rogue and Storm are being held in the same room as a captured mind-sapped Magneto. It's safe to assume that all three will be free at some point. I'm very interested to see how Rogue and Magneto interact. This could be their first meaningful interaction since she turned down his proposal in Legacy. Hopefully their dialogue doesn't cast doubts on Gambit and Rogue's relationship, and hopefully doesn't make Remy look bad/like a chump. I already wasn't a huge fan of their wedding vows (especially Rogue's) and we know Zub isn't a fan of Romy. How do you guys think Rogue and Magneto's interaction will go?
Does anybody know if Mystery in Madripoor takes place before or after R&G, and Xmen Gold #30?
It's hard to pinpoint. The only real point of reference we have is that it's after the "Where is Wolverine?" materials. I would say definitely before Gold #30, just because Betsy doesn't comment on any of the wedding(s) despite both Kitty and Rogue being there.
Based on how Rogue has been interacting with "Magneto" in the series so far (i.e. not at all despite believing she was in the same room as him several times), I'm going to say it won't be addressed in any meaningful way. There may be a brief, awkward conversation, but that would be about it. It would be weird for the focus and pacing of the story for Zub to take several pages for Rogue and Magneto to hash out their issues. And I'm fine with that, because they've both moved on by now.
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I imagine Sinister secretly records Gambit so when he saw the proposal he would drop what he was doing and get to the wedding ASAP.
Waiting for it to be revealed that Sinister killed the Rabbi once he arrived at the surprise wedding, disguised himself as the Rabbi and presided over Gambit's wedding.
That would truly be something... Sinister. But X-Men hasn't been that dark in a long time.
I wouldn't worry about Zub. A few months about at the mid point of R&G, Zub, KT and Duggan all started exchanging barbs. Friendly but they we're so close and frequent I think it was about the time when editorial called the audible on the wedding. Something like that obviously would derail both writer's plans; Zub using Torch and Duggan with Wade, of course. As weak as marvel editorial has been, I doubt they are going to let a mini undermine two ongoings.
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We're due for a good Sinister plot line. I don't even remember the last time we had one... ???
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Zub did a little bit of Rogue/Torch development in UA that went nowhere. Was it literally the very next issue after Rogue made out with Deadpool? The Torch stuff had no legs (or any fan-following whatsoever) Probably because Torch is a snoozer of a character (that already hooked up with every female character in the Marvel Universe) Whereas the Deadpool hook-up made a lot of headlines, so Rogue jumping from Deadpool to Torch in a matter of 2 issues began to annoy fans. Then Rogue almost had sexy bath time with Gambit in Astonishing around the same time, or just a little after.
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Does it feel like marvel is taking this series a bit more seriously.
I mean they got access to shiar space starjammers deathbird and deadpool in the first arc. Imagine if asmsus had access to that toolbox.
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I just hate that it's called Mr and Mrs X.
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I just hate that it's called Mr and Mrs X.
Not crazy about the name either. But I believe books with "X ___" sell better. And yeah, wow if Asmus was, forget "access" these are fictional characters, they don't have schedules and agents and contracts; had he been allowed to use his company's resources, the product would have been better, but he did a great job with;
Pete Wisdom
Blk Knight
Faza
Tombstone
Asp
Bartok
War Machine / Iron Patriot
And a bunch of made up characters, half of which died before the book's end. Not a single X-Men outside of Rogue and a no speaking cameo from Wolverine. I mean he, Cap and Thor were there but not even a grunt as if they would have to be paid and it wasn't in their budget. Pros say "we don't know how the comic industry works" which is BS, it's effing publishing not some kind of mystical secret society, but I would love for them to explain to me why it certain books and creators cannot have access to certain characters.
And don't give me that "respecting continuity" bs. During this time Wolverine, Cap and Spiderman were in multiple books simultaneously.
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Voilà :
http://comicbook.com/2018/06/19/the-10-greatest-couples-in-x-men-history/ (http://comicbook.com/2018/06/19/the-10-greatest-couples-in-x-men-history/)
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Voilà :
http://comicbook.com/2018/06/19/the-10-greatest-couples-in-x-men-history/ (http://comicbook.com/2018/06/19/the-10-greatest-couples-in-x-men-history/)
Well, that didn't take long.
As for Marvel taking the series more seriously - I think they are starting to take the X-Men more seriously in general sense. It's a gradual thing, but it's something I've noticed more often that other comic sites have been saying too, so I know I'm not alone in thinking that. I'll honestly admit to being an on-again, off-again comic reader (mostly because I only read for Gambit) but I do still drop in from time to time to keep abreast of the goings-on. It's been a mess for pretty much a decade, but my personal opinion is that they are now starting to get a lot of people in there that grew up on XTAS, and its gradually showing more and more.
Well, that and the MCU very very likely helps that too. I can't know for sure, obviously, but I'm pretty sure the upper-echelons in Marvel had hints that a deal was in the works for a while. I recall reading about the timing, they were talking about Gambit and Rogue weddings back in the end of last year - so get them together now, then use them as figureheads to prop up the X-Men's entry into the MCU? Considering we only actually got a brief glimpse of Gambit in a movie that was 'meh', and Rogue was... uh, not Rogue.
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Not crazy about the name either. But I believe books with "X ___" sell better. And yeah, wow if Asmus was, forget "access" these are fictional characters, they don't have schedules and agents and contracts; had he been allowed to use his company's resources, the product would have been better, but he did a great job with;
Pete Wisdom
Blk Knight
Faza
Tombstone
Asp
Bartok
War Machine / Iron Patriot
And a bunch of made up characters, half of which died before the book's end. Not a single X-Men outside of Rogue and a no speaking cameo from Wolverine. I mean he, Cap and Thor were there but not even a grunt as if they would have to be paid and it wasn't in their budget. Pros say "we don't know how the comic industry works" which is BS, it's effing publishing not some kind of mystical secret society, but I would love for them to explain to me why it certain books and creators cannot have access to certain characters.
And don't give me that "respecting continuity" bs. During this time Wolverine, Cap and Spiderman were in multiple books simultaneously.
Yeah, I mean.. Tombstone and Pete Wisdom I thought were great additions to the book and should have been more heavily involved. And the War Machine issue was my favorite of the series, even if it wasn't drawn by Mann. But when your main villain is a Penguin looking guy named Borya Cich, you're gonna have a hard time getting people excited. Really ridiculous that Hopeless wasn't allowed to use him in Cable and X-Force.
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Yeah wolverine can be in no less than 4 books at the same time; Wolverine, Wolverine and the X-Men, Astonishing X-Men and Uncanny Avengers; but Gambit was too busy in Asmus solo to be in two places at once.
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Today, I got my local comic book guy to stock Mr & Mrs X. The shop isn't always the most organized, and it wasn't on their radar, but it is now. They probably would have done it anyway, but I feel like I did my tiny part to help the book. :D
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kudos. My shop was flabberghasted as to why I was buying X-Men Gold #30 and even more confused as to what "Mr and Mrs X" was when I asked that it be put on my pull list. These announcements really came out of nowhere.
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Itt is just a bad organization from Marvel.
Even when Solicits for September 2018 arrived MMX was still announced as classified in it. That's funny because the day before Marvel announced that classified was MMX.
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Itt is just a bad organization from Marvel.
Even when Solicits for September 2018 arrived MMX was still announced as classified in it. That's funny because the day before Marvel announced that classified was MMX.
It really is and I have a feeling it could really hurt sales
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My shop is pretty on top of everything.. they were already talking about it when I walked in the store after it's reveal
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That's interesting. I had put it down to our comic shop being disorganized. They sometimes forget to pull stuff off their shelves for us, or throw in the odd random book that I hadn't ordered. We mostly support them because they're like a minute walk from where my husband works, and generally seem to be good people who aren't weird about me being a female fan. I think it's important to support your local shops too.
But it sounds like it's a broader trend. Marvel really should be promoting the crap out of this, especially with keeping it under wraps for so long. DC is on top of the Batman/Catwoman wedding. They've had little fliers in the store for weeks.
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I realized earlier today, thats there's at least 10 hours between Kitty and Pete's wedding and Gambit and Rogues. It was sunset during the first and it appears to be sunrise at the 2nd. I think the possibility of Mystique being present is very high. That's a lot of time to fill in one issue.
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Well, that didn't take long.
As for Marvel taking the series more seriously - I think they are starting to take the X-Men more seriously in general sense. It's a gradual thing, but it's something I've noticed more often that other comic sites have been saying too, so I know I'm not alone in thinking that. I'll honestly admit to being an on-again, off-again comic reader (mostly because I only read for Gambit) but I do still drop in from time to time to keep abreast of the goings-on. It's been a mess for pretty much a decade, but my personal opinion is that they are now starting to get a lot of people in there that grew up on XTAS, and its gradually showing more and more.
Well, that and the MCU very very likely helps that too. I can't know for sure, obviously, but I'm pretty sure the upper-echelons in Marvel had hints that a deal was in the works for a while. I recall reading about the timing, they were talking about Gambit and Rogue weddings back in the end of last year - so get them together now, then use them as figureheads to prop up the X-Men's entry into the MCU? Considering we only actually got a brief glimpse of Gambit in a movie that was 'meh', and Rogue was... uh, not Rogue.
Yeah, I really thought the push for Gambit was because of the Gambit film, but the way that film is going right now, who knows? Maybe they're thinking of their takeover of Fox. I'm very curious to see if they're going to go for the Scott/Jean angle yet again (lord knows Fox has done the Dark Phoenix storyline twice now ::) ) or shake things up and introduce another couple, like Gambit & Rogue.
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That would truly be something... Sinister. But X-Men hasn't been that dark in a long time.
I wouldn't worry about Zub. A few months about at the mid point of R&G, Zub, KT and Duggan all started exchanging barbs. Friendly but they we're so close and frequent I think it was about the time when editorial called the audible on the wedding. Something like that obviously would derail both writer's plans; Zub using Torch and Duggan with Wade, of course. As weak as marvel editorial has been, I doubt they are going to let a mini undermine two ongoings.
I don’t know,.. I think that was a jerk move from Zub. I don’t know what he knew about the wedding, but he did know about the mini and he still set up the Rogue/torch thing. Turns out that he also knew UA was ending after no surrender, so it would also be pointless, but he went ahead and tried to undermine another writer’s project and basically laughed about it.
Ultimately all the writers ‘inserting’ themselves all over the place ;D sort of helped KT’s story, because since the other ships ended up being short lived, they didn’t seem ‘serious’ so she didn’t have to treat them seriously. But as of now, in relation to MiM, it will depend on if Zub thinks it would be funny to try and screw up KT’s story again... >:(
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I suspect editorial would step in at that point, though. Part of their job is to make sure that the books have some semblance of continuity, and the mini is post R&G at least. They may not have done it earlier, because the timelines of the books weren't that clear in relation to each other.
Also, uh, Zub isn't a huge name. He's not a Morrison, Bendis, or Rucka where they'll shape the books around his vision. Whatever you think of Marvel, they aren't going to give a second-stringer the go-ahead to eff up a new ongoing in a mini.
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I suspect editorial would step in at that point, though. Part of their job is to make sure that the books have some semblance of continuity, and the mini is post R&G at least. They may not have done it earlier, because the timelines of the books weren't that clear in relation to each other.
Also, uh, Zub isn't a huge name. He's not a Morrison, Bendis, or Rucka where they'll shape the books around his vision. Whatever you think of Marvel, they aren't going to give a second-stringer the go-ahead to eff up a new ongoing in a mini.
My thoughts exactly. I believe Marvel at the least has some idea of what's a priority at this point in the game. I'm still concerned that they aren't launching MMX properly in terms of visibility.
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I realized earlier today, thats there's at least 10 hours between Kitty and Pete's wedding and Gambit and Rogues. It was sunset during the first and it appears to be sunrise at the 2nd. I think the possibility of Mystique being present is very high. That's a lot of time to fill in one issue.
Maybe Mags will show up and Rogue will promise him just one more night again. We all know how Rogue likes to get a little crazy with Mags after Gambit pours his heart out to her. >:D
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Maybe Mags will show up and Rogue will promise him just one more night again. We all know how Rogue likes to get a little crazy with Mags after Gambit pours his heart out to her. >:D
Now are different writers and editors. I think Quasada is the only one who is left from that time that could in some way has smth to do with crap Legacy
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Now are different writers and editors. I think Quasada is the only one who is left from that time that could in some way has smth to do with crap Legacy
Turnover definitely helps.
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Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop logging into Gambit Guild.
Initial thought
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I mean, I prefer not to side with Remydat, Neko and Toad in things Rogue and Gambit, but I shall remain skeptical. Still, I guess I'm gonna have to buy this Mr and Mrs X... maybe it will be :gambit:
I mean, apparently it's based on DonPriceTag's ideas... what's going on with this world? :p
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I mean, I prefer not to side with Remydat, Neko and Toad in things Rogue and Gambit, but I shall remain skeptical. Still, I guess I'm gonna have to buy this Mr and Mrs X... maybe it will be :gambit:
I mean, apparently it's based on DonPriceTag's ideas... what's going on with this world? :p
I am sure it will be. I trust Kelly Thompson's ability to write Gambit and Rogue. She did an outstanding job with cleaning up the huge mess that was their history in the miniseries. She's now got a clean slate, and can just make it fun and sexy and :gambit: .
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Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop logging into Gambit Guild.
Initial thought
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I mean, I prefer not to side with Remydat, Neko and Toad in things Rogue and Gambit, but I shall remain skeptical. Still, I guess I'm gonna have to buy this Mr and Mrs X... maybe it will be :gambit:
I mean, apparently it's based on DonPriceTag's ideas... what's going on with this world? :p
You missed the bomb droping? It was quite the interesting week..
But yeah, Thompson did a great job on the mini, so I am hopeful for the moment...
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ha! been trying to be good, can't.
My initial response:
Never wanted this ongoing, Gambit will be reduced to a handbag, there is no built in trust with the writer for me. It will be about Rogue and all will be happy about his powers and not care that his character has been reduced to support Rogue. I'm calling that now, if I'm wrong, okay, I can live with it. In fact .... prove me wrong ... I want to see strong characterization for Gambit .... let him shine.
And for the first time, I'm not going to support Gambit in a book he is part of because, he will be a glorified husband .... its a major change for both characters but the only one who will shine is Rogue. (speculating on my part). But as much clean up as KT did, it was Rogue's benefit, not Gambit's. I bought that mini, and Rogue was the winner in it.
(>sarcasm)Rogue - give Remy the honey do list and then she'll go get into whatever and save the day ... oh wait, "Gambit, let me borrow your powers, don't forget the bathroom ..." (<sarcasm}
There is the salt or tea for the day from me. My disclaimer as always ... if you love it, buy it, enjoy it. I'm glad you got your hea.
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I mean, I prefer not to side with Remydat, Neko and Toad in things Rogue and Gambit, but I shall remain skeptical. Still, I guess I'm gonna have to buy this Mr and Mrs X... maybe it will be :gambit:
mildly amused ... we're not so bad you know. LOL *teasing*
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ha! been trying to be good, can't.
My initial response:
Never wanted this ongoing, Gambit will be reduced to a handbag, there is no built in trust with the writer for me. It will be about Rogue and all will be happy about his powers and not care that his character has been reduced to support Rogue. I'm calling that now, if I'm wrong, okay, I can live with it. In fact .... prove me wrong ... I want to see strong characterization for Gambit .... let him shine.
And for the first time, I'm not going to support Gambit in a book he is part of because, he will be a glorified husband .... its a major change for both characters but the only one who will shine is Rogue. (speculating on my part). But as much clean up as KT did, it was Rogue's benefit, not Gambit's. I bought that mini, and Rogue was the winner in it.
(>sarcasm)Rogue - give Remy the honey do list and then she'll go get into whatever and save the day ... oh wait, "Gambit, let me borrow your powers, don't forget the bathroom ..." (<sarcasm}
There is the salt or tea for the day from me. My disclaimer as always ... if you love it, buy it, enjoy it. I'm glad you got your hea.
Damnit Neko! I have ONE THING to say about this; What is a glorified husband, exactly? I mean, I think my wife glorifies me to her friends, because you know, I'm awesome. But I'd like to achieve my upmost ability to my husband-y best. Your thoughts...
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Damnit Neko! I have ONE THING to say about this; What is a glorified husband, exactly? I mean, I think my wife glorifies me to her friends, because you know, I'm awesome. But I'd like to achieve my upmost ability to my husband-y best. Your thoughts...
heh heh, look pretty and do nothing?
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Definitely pretty... I do stuff though. Must. Do. Less. Check.
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Definitely pretty... I do stuff though. Must. Do. Less. Check.
Sometimes doing less could be doing more.
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Do lesser. Check.
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From Mr and Ms X #1
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KT told it is it’s the sheets on Rogue and not a dress ;)
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That is ridiculously pretty art. It needs to be made into a wallpaper once the book comes out and we have a larger copy. :D
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From Mr and Ms X #1
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This is gorgeous. I hope it's Remy's view. Although I would've preferred a tease image with both characters.
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This is gorgeous. I hope it's Remy's view. Although I would've preferred a tease image with both characters.
Well since shes in a sheet you can say Gambit had a hand in dressing her.
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From Mr and Ms X #1
(http://community.comicbookresources.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=67785&d=1530589837)
Not showing up for me for some reason :( I'm assuming it was this: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DhI7G-nU8AAe5T0.jpg (https://twitter.com/79SemiFinalist?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor)
Edit: Welp, can't get that link to go directly to it either.
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This is gorgeous. I hope it's Remy's view. Although I would've preferred a tease image with both characters.
It is really nice art and if it is from Gambit's view then it is a nice microcosm of the status of Gambit where his entire world revolves around Rogue.
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It is really nice art and if it is from Gambit's view then it is a nice microcosm of the status of Gambit where his entire world revolves around Rogue.
I for one didn't ask for this book. I'd much rather read a Gambit solo than this. But as a Gambit fan all I can do is hope that it will be enjoyable and yeah balanced. I like to read the book before forming an opinion and not turn every little detail into something negative. It doesn't matter how this series turns out to be you won't like it because your mind is set so you'll find a way to hate it no matter what. I just don't see the point in repeating the same thing to exhaustion.
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I for one didn't ask for this book. I'd much rather read a Gambit solo than this. But as a Gambit fan all I can do is hope that it will be enjoyable and yeah balanced. I like to read the book before forming an opinion and not turn every little detail into something negative. It doesn't matter how this series turns out to be you won't like it because your mind is set so you'll find a way to hate it no matter what. I just don't see the point in repeating the same thing to exhaustion.
The bold is exactly how I feel about Romy so if Marvel can repeat something to exhaustion then so can I.
As for hating it no matter what, not true. If Gambit gets equal focus then I will admit it. I just don't see it happening as it didn't happen in the mini. As Neko says if you like the book then enjoy. However, I will continue to express my displeasure over things until such time as I feel like Gambit is getting treated fairly.
It didn't happen in the mini, it didn't happen in the NYT article where the focus was Rogue and it didn't happen in this promo art which again is all about Rogue. The next time something is released about this book that actually focuses on Gambit will be the first and I am not sure why Gambit fans are shocked that it may not sit well with all Gambit fans.
The marketing for this book is such that it appears to be a Rogue vehicle. Might as well call it Mrs. X and the dude that waits patiently for her while she makes out with murderous mutants.
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The bold is exactly how I feel about Romy so if Marvel can repeat something to exhaustion then so can I.
As for hating it no matter what, not true. If Gambit gets equal focus then I will admit it. I just don't see it happening as it didn't happen in the mini. As Neko says if you like the book then enjoy. However, I will continue to express my displeasure over things until such time as I feel like Gambit is getting treated fairly.
It didn't happen in the mini, it didn't happen in the NYT article where the focus was Rogue and it didn't happen in this promo art which again is all about Rogue. The next time something is released about this book that actually focuses on Gambit will be the first and I am not sure why Gambit fans are shocked that it may not sit well with all Gambit fans.
The marketing for this book is such that it appears to be a Rogue vehicle. Might as well call it Mrs. X and the dude that waits patiently for her while she makes out with murderous mutants.
What promo art is all about Rogue?
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What promo art is all about Rogue?
Was referring to Rogue in a blanket with no Gambit in sight. Did I miss art of just Gambit? Did I miss an article discussing Gambit? All I see is Rogue and her sidekick or Rogue exclusively but I confess, I haven't been keeping track beyond this thread so if I missed something Gambit specific then let me know. Otherwise, I see a specific bent in the marketing skewed towards primarily one character.
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Was referring to Rogue in a blanket with no Gambit in site. Did I miss art of just Gambit? Did I miss an article discussing Gambit? All I see is Rogue and her sidekick or Rogue exclusively but I confess, I haven't been keeping track beyond this thread so if I missed something Gambit specific then let me know.
No Rogue here.
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No Rogue here.
Yes agreed. Right after I and others complained about the NYT article that said #1 would be Rogue POV and KT then responded, this image came out. Would be great if Marvel actually marketed things better to show Gambit related stuff before people complain.
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The bold is exactly how I feel about Romy so if Marvel can repeat something to exhaustion then so can I.
Both instances are annoying.
As for hating it no matter what, not true. If Gambit gets equal focus then I will admit it.
The problem is: who/what determines what equal focus is? People have different points of view that will influence how they perceive this book. They can distort it as they please until it fits their opinion of it. A thousand times you made clear how much you hate Rogue so no, I don't think anything will be able to change your mind.
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That is ridiculously pretty art. It needs to be made into a wallpaper once the book comes out and we have a larger copy. :D
Thank God.
So tired of bad art in comics.
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lol at x23 cutting his hair
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I’m only annoyed that he couldn’t be bothered to shave.
And that picture of Rogue is lovely.
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That latest M&MX image looks like something out of a movie...wow.
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Both instances are annoying.
The problem is: who/what determines what equal focus is? People have different points of view that will influence how they perceive this book. They can distort it as they please until it fits their opinion of it. A thousand times you made clear how much you hate Rogue so no, I don't think anything will be able to change your mind.
The problem is what is annoying is a matter of perspective just as what is equal focus is also a matter of perspective. Case in point, some may find it annoying when people comment on their opinion about Rogue or this book instead of focusing on their own opinion.
This is a Gambit forum not a Rogue or Romy forum so if I hate her or Romy then sorry but tough sh*t. I am here for Gambit not Rogue, Romy, KT or anyone else. I will not apologize for it and if it annoys you that much then I suggest you just scroll down or ignore it. It really isn't that serious for you to be getting bent because someone doesn't like something you don't as you don't see me here crying about the thousands of times I have to hear people praise Romy or this book. To each his/her own.
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Ok. Move on. Agree to disagree on... not sure. But let's change gears...
For instance, who ever is doing the coloring did a heck of a job on that preview pic.
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You missed the bomb droping? It was quite the interesting week..
But yeah, Thompson did a great job on the mini, so I am hopeful for the moment...
Yeah, more often than not I log on just to check things out on consistent basis... then I see this xmen gold 30 thread and it's at 15 pages... I click on it and... it took awhile to figure out if my eyes were deceived, I had to go back and read the first few pages. Even then I had to google it to make sure it was accurate 8) Then I logged onto the forum that shall not be named, that thread is in full blow up mode. Nice
The art looks great, so if I'm buying it at least I'll have great art and the storyline has enough adventurous promise to be enjoyable. My takeaways after a moment
1. I will be able to smile knowing how much this must stick in the caw of those Rogue loving irrational Gambit haters
2. Maybe, just maybe with the purchase of Fox -72 Billion dollars- Marvel is going to start taking the x-world seriously again, and Gambit may play an interesting role every now and then
3. Finally, and maybe most importantly perhaps, mayhap we will finally at least see the end, in the words of NicoPony 'Rogue being flung vagina-first at the first male that pops up on her radar isn't how I'd define "romance," but Marvel must being using a different dictionary than me.' It's been ridiculous
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Yeah, more often than not I log on just to check things out on consistent basis... then I see this xmen gold 30 thread and it's at 15 pages... I click on it and... it took awhile to figure out if my eyes were deceived, I had to go back and read the first few pages. Even then I had to google it to make sure it was accurate 8) Then I logged onto the forum that shall not be named, that thread is in full blow up mode. Nice
The art looks great, so if I'm buying it at least I'll have great art and the storyline has enough adventurous promise to be enjoyable. My takeaways after a moment
1. I will be able to smile knowing how much this must stick in the caw of those Rogue loving irrational Gambit haters
2. Maybe, just maybe with the purchase of Fox -72 Billion dollars- Marvel is going to start taking the x-world seriously again, and Gambit may play an interesting role every now and then
3. Finally, and maybe most importantly perhaps, mayhap we will finally at least see the end, in the words of NicoPony 'Rogue being flung vagina-first at the first male that pops up on her radar isn't how I'd define "romance," but Marvel must being using a different dictionary than me.' It's been ridiculous
Ha! It's funny because it's my signature!
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The problem is what is annoying is a matter of perspective just as what is equal focus is also a matter of perspective. Case in point, some may find it annoying when people comment on their opinion about Rogue or this book instead of focusing on their own opinion.
My point exacly.
It is not the commenting, it is the repetition I find tiring.
This is a Gambit forum not a Rogue or Romy forum so if I hate her or Romy then sorry but tough sh*t. I am here for Gambit not Rogue, Romy, KT or anyone else.
So I am. That's why I can't fathom why you keeping bringing her up in every opportunity.
I will not apologize for it and if it annoys you that much then I suggest you just scroll down or ignore it.
Yeah, I already do it more often than not.
It really isn't that serious for you to be getting bent because someone doesn't like something you don't as you don't see me here crying about the thousands of times I have to hear people praise Romy or this book. To each his/her own.
You do.
Well, I don't see the point in this back and forth so I'll move on.
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Ok. Move on. Agree to disagree on... not sure. But let's change gears...
For instance, who ever is doing the coloring did a heck of a job on that preview pic.
Alright.
It's the same guy from R&G, isn't it?
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Don't know. Did realize something while I was looking through the Asmus solo today, Dobson, the guy that is doing the covers of MMX also did some of my least favorite Gambit solo covers. So at least hes consistent. One fault I'd give Asmus for his run is the amount of filler issues. Don't know if that was his doing or just Marvel jerking him around so much he was afraid to start the next arc because he didn't know if it was going to be cancelled mid way through.
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It's the same guy from R&G, isn't it?
Yes, it's Frank D’Armata.
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Aw crap that new variant... Ah @#&&.
https://youtu.be/YkADj0TPrJA
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My point exacly.
It is not the commenting, it is the repetition I find tiring.
So I am. That's why I can't fathom why you keeping bringing her up in every opportunity.
Yeah, I already do it more often than not.
You do.
Well, I don't see the point in this back and forth so I'll move on.
There are far more people excited for this book than the detractors such as myself so not sure what you have to complain about. For every one of my posts there are like 3 or 4 happy so were you expecting 100% praise. Sometimes in life you have to learn to live with dissenting views.
If you find my posts repetitious and tiring, how do you think I feel about the countless posts praising something I find to be terrible? I have never complained about someone liking the book. I have stated my concerns. By contrast you and other posters keep trying to tell me to stop expressing my opinion as if only optimism is allowed.
Be positive with you and all the people happy and let me and the people that think this is terrible for Gambit vent. It is all we have. Both views are equally deserving of being shared.
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Seems very symbolic of how this book is going to turn out.
P.S. Before people freak out, that was a joke based on Don P's Winter is coming line over at CBR.
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I'm not sure if I like this cover or not. I wish it wasn't so bright and I'm not really liking how Gambit is so shiny
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The coloring on the cover is bright. I'm not thrilled with it in general because I believe what it may imply on the inside would not be to my liking.
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(https://78.media.tumblr.com/146ff749687bf9e533416dbf08f37171/tumblr_pbd3f2YKqn1wav66go1_1280.jpg)
Seems very symbolic of how this book is going to turn out.
P.S. Before people freak out, that was a joke based on Don P's Winter is coming line over at CBR.
Don't like the colors at all but this cover does reminds me of X-Treme X-Men issue 8 and X-Men TAS
https://media.giphy.com/media/Tdvk4UnoYN5Ru/giphy.gif
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That thing burns my eyes.
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I don't like that variant at all. I find it to be kind of obnoxious and a bit of a slap in the face to Gambit fans. This is the second time we've seen that pose. Can't she be flying with him without carrying him like he is a little girl? >:( With that said, the regular cover, even though I don't like the character designs, is simple: Mr & Mrs X, with the "Mr" first and Gambit positioned in front of Rogue. I would hope that's more of an indication of the series than one out of four or so variants.
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The coloring of the boots on Gambit is really loud. If you think the green on Rogue is too florescent .... good grief - look at Gambit's boots. We make fun of Gambit and his costume and how practical it would be for thieving and then see those boots. Holy crap ... he might as well turn on all the lights for the job. LOL
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The coloring of the boots on Gambit is really loud. If you think the green on Rogue is too florescent .... good grief - look at Gambit's boots. We make fun of Gambit and his costume and how practical it would be for thieving and then see those boots. Holy crap ... he might as well turn on all the lights for the job. LOL
God, those boots are the worst part. It's like he just took some combat boots and spray painted them with mercury
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Just terrible😲
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I do like how Rogue's hair is drawn ... it captures wind well for someone who is flying. Probably too perfect though but still it looks nice.
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Don't like the colors at all but this cover does reminds me of X-Treme X-Men issue 8 and X-Men TAS
https://media.giphy.com/media/Tdvk4UnoYN5Ru/giphy.gif (https://media.giphy.com/media/Tdvk4UnoYN5Ru/giphy.gif)
Idea is cool but cover is bad.
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GAAAAHH!!!
Oh sorry guys, I just got quite a sudden fright from seeing Rogue's terrifying face right before being blinded by Gambit's boots.
Carry on.
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The coloring of the boots on Gambit is really loud. If you think the green on Rogue is too florescent .... good grief - look at Gambit's boots. We make fun of Gambit and his costume and how practical it would be for thieving and then see those boots. Holy crap ... he might as well turn on all the lights for the job. LOL
He is King of Thieves and just trying to up his degree of difficulty to prove it.
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Ha! It's funny because it's my signature!
I know! I remember the quote, what was it? Five-six years ago? As profound and hilarious today as it was when it was written. NicoPony where art thou? :gambit: -back in the old gambit guild I would've used like twenty different types of Gambit emojis right there-
@PurpleVit
Pretty spot on. A fun idea, but lackluster execution. Is it me, or does the coloring really make it seem whatevers?
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My retinologist warned me about this type of thing after I had eye surgery.
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C'mon, its a bad cover.
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I was kidding...
I think the concept is cute, though.
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My retinologist warned me about this type of thing after I had eye surgery.
Ha!
Yeah...it's...not...good...and I'll leave it at that.
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I was kidding...
I think the concept is cute, though.
Yeah, I like the concept and the line-work itself isn't bad. I just can't get past the coloring.
Also, when did you change your signature? It's cracking me up ;D
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Wish Marvel'd hire me to do a variant cover.
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You'd crush it, seriously. I do wonder how marvel makes decisions like this and how some editor didn't say, can you tone down the colors a bit?
Agree with the consensus, it's a fun idea, but not well done, especially the colors, yikes.
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I don't think it's a fun idea either though. I don't like the concept at all. Kinda emasculating in a way. Puffy Daddy-suit shinny boots don't help either. It really does look like one of the old school comic cards from the mid 90s. I think it was semi-realistic X-Men Fleer set. Not my favorite.
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I find the cover emasculating as well. You found the right word. The coloring is just awful.
Gambit is not a damsel in distress ..... guess, I don't have a sense of humor for it. ;)
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One more count for the "finds it emasculating". Ugh.
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Have any of you guys listened to this podcast before, www.xplainthexmen.com/2018/04/191-unconscionably-sexy/
At the 46 minute mark Kelly Thompson talks about Rogneto and basically she has a lot of the same issues/sentiments that many of us have with Rogneto. It's worth a listen.
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Have any of you guys listened to this podcast before, www.xplainthexmen.com/2018/04/191-unconscionably-sexy/
At the 46 minute mark Kelly Thompson talks about Rogneto and basically she has a lot of the same issues/sentiments that many of us have with Rogneto. It's worth a listen.
I used to listen quite a bit (but was kind of put off with how hard they were on Gambit). I'll have to check it out
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It's good to hear her say that, actually. One of my major issues with Rogue and Magneto was just how hypocritical Rogue was in how she treated Gambit for his crimes and how she treated (or didn't treat) Magneto for his far worse crimes.
I do think she was being too nice to Carey though, but maybe that was just her trying to be tactful and professional. She said that nobody could have really tackled the issue. Well, if nobody could have tackled the issue, then it didn't make sense for her to get together with Magneto! Either that or Rogue was just downright not being a cool person.
On a different note, I read the wedding issue again. In the first group shot at the bar, is that Cable or Magneto behind Beast? I'd put the picture up but I'm very lazy. If it is Magneto then it hilariously seems as though he's looking mournfully over at Rogue and Gambit. I might just imagine that it is him.
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I can't remember exactly where but I know cable was in one of the group shots in the beginning with Hope bc he pops up again later in the issue. I doubt it was Mags but I could be mistaken
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Pretty sure it's cable ( I think the scars were around his eye.) He's probably looking around uncomfortablely because his teen parents are there. I don't think kitty's on great terms with mags at the moment, doubt she'd invite him, especially to the rehearsal dinner.
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KT answered my question :)
Any hopes to see Mr. Sinister in MMX? No way Essex would miss Remy's marriage. What do you think about Gambit/Sinister relationship? Sinister was always near whe Gambit needed real help. They could be best buds if Gambit wasn't hating him:)
He’s not in the first arc, no.
And Mr. Sinister not being at their wedding was probably one of the best reasons ever to get married on the fly as they did.
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I think i’d be more bothered by that cover if it wasn’t (as of now) just a silly joke.
@bark no byte—Thanks for noticing! I changed it a couple months ago. Might change it to something from the Rube ep for summer or find something from the Acadians one, since it’s appropriate.
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It's good to hear her say that, actually. One of my major issues with Rogue and Magneto was just how hypocritical Rogue was in how she treated Gambit for his crimes and how she treated (or didn't treat) Magneto for his far worse crimes.
I do think she was being too nice to Carey though, but maybe that was just her trying to be tactful and professional. She said that nobody could have really tackled the issue. Well, if nobody could have tackled the issue, then it didn't make sense for her to get together with Magneto! Either that or Rogue was just downright not being a cool person.
On a different note, I read the wedding issue again. In the first group shot at the bar, is that Cable or Magneto behind Beast? I'd put the picture up but I'm very lazy. If it is Magneto then it hilariously seems as though he's looking mournfully over at Rogue and Gambit. I might just imagine that it is him.
lol Magneto is not going to a wedding.
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I guess we will find out in a couple weeks.
As to Gambit being relegated to the background, that happened because the writer's didn't like him and were trying to miminalize him. Some of them even said outright that the didn't like him. It had nothing to do with any organic writing about relationships.
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Oh dang, I really like the coloring
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Bazaldua's art hasn't won me over yet. I was spoiled by that amazing Gambit from Gold #30.
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Bazaldua's art hasn't won me over yet. I was spoiled by that amazing Gambit from Gold #30.
His art is good. He is just not as great as Marquez
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The gloves are the wrong color. And her face looks wrong. Other than that, it’s fine.
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His art is good. He is just not as great as Marquez
Agreed. I'm happy with it. I'm also glad Frank D'Armata is still on colours. He's amazing at what he does. Speaking of which...
The new interview with KT is up with some preview pages:
https://www.cbr.com/mr-and-mrs-x-interview-kelly-thompson/ (https://www.cbr.com/mr-and-mrs-x-interview-kelly-thompson/)
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Oh, I like the rest of the art much better. Gambit looks good, and Rogue looks more like herself with her hair down.
Yay Space Honeymoon.
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Good art and very beatiful colors.
Excited for this!
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I like the look of this too. Gambit's new costume is interesting. Curious to see what else this will cover about the wedding. I wouldn't mind one day see Gambit drawn with long hair again. Like in X-Men #45 in 1995.
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Hey guys, here's a link to the new costumes for Mr. and Mrs. X. We get a good look at Gambit's new space suit. I like the look and think it looks really sleek. The art is nice too.
https://www.cbr.com/exclusive-mr-and-mrs-x-rogue-gambit-new-costumes/
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Kelly Thompson posted on twitter and in the CBR forums that she's going to be answering questions on reddit in an AMA today at 10am pacific time (1pm eastern time). So in about three and a half hours. If you've got any questions regarding Gambit this is definitely the time to ask her.
Here's the link to the ama:
https://www.reddit.com/r/comicbooks/comments/8ww3lf/ama_reminder_kelly_thompson_on_710/
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It's good to hear her say that, actually. One of my major issues with Rogue and Magneto was just how hypocritical Rogue was in how she treated Gambit for his crimes and how she treated (or didn't treat) Magneto for his far worse crimes.
I do think she was being too nice to Carey though, but maybe that was just her trying to be tactful and professional. She said that nobody could have really tackled the issue. Well, if nobody could have tackled the issue, then it didn't make sense for her to get together with Magneto! Either that or Rogue was just downright not being a cool person.
Been better if she had addressed in the book and had Rogue admit her hypocrisy.
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Rogue looks 16 there. Her face is all wrong.
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And in that same sequence of images Gambit's profile looks awful. He looks like a doofus. But a lot of the other artwork looks pretty good.
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Someone should ask KT if Gambit will be front and center focus at least some of the time. And will we see Gambit's powers and abilities shown in interesting and creative ways as well as getting back to his superhuman agility and reflexes.
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In the later pages, Rogue and Gambit's face look too similar to me, I get its a distance scene but ... with only a few lines here or there, the eyes are the same, shape of face, etc.
July 25th is the release date for #1.
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In the later pages, Rogue and Gambit's face look too similar to me, I get its a distance scene but ... with only a few lines here or there, the eyes are the same, shape of face, etc.
July 25th is the release date for #1.
I think last pages are more from the end of #1so maybe artist got used to draw Gambit and Rogue's faces.
I think wedding will be at the beginning. Not a fan how Gambit was drawn at wedding previews but in space he looks good.
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I don't know... I said it on CBR and no one really responded.. but that does not look like Rogue to me AT ALL. It's... weird.
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I don't know... I said it on CBR and no one really responded.. but that does not look like Rogue to me AT ALL. It's... weird.
50/50.
I think they look fine only on Space pages.
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I don't know... I said it on CBR and no one really responded.. but that does not look like Rogue to me AT ALL. It's... weird.
Are you talking about the panel where she's walking down the aisle? I actually thought it was Magik at first glance.
The other preview pages she looks like herself...I'd say a cross between Joe Mad and Bachalo. Reminds me of the Shi'ar arc before Gambit's trial.
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Are you talking about the panel where she's walking down the aisle? I actually thought it was Magik at first glance.
The other preview pages she looks like herself...I'd say a cross between Joe Mad and Bachalo. Reminds me of the Shi'ar arc before Gambit's trial.
Yes the first image we saw. Looks nothing like her. The other images are much better.
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Are you talking about the panel where she's walking down the aisle? I actually thought it was Magik at first glance.
The other preview pages she looks like herself...I'd say a cross between Joe Mad and Bachalo. Reminds me of the Shi'ar arc before Gambit's trial.
Yeah, it reminded me of Chris Bachalo's Rogue too.
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Q: Your probably getting all "asked"-out by now but I got another one. Any chance we'll see any of Gambit's King of Thieves shenanigans get addressed? I guess that makes Rogue the... Queen of Thieves, doesn't it?
A: I’d love to delve into some of that…but honestly? It’s just going to be depend on how many issues we get. : /
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So guess that means it is not in the initial plans.
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Q: Your probably getting all "asked"-out by now but I got another one. Any chance we'll see any of Gambit's King of Thieves shenanigans get addressed? I guess that makes Rogue the... Queen of Thieves, doesn't it?
A: I’d love to delve into some of that…but honestly? It’s just going to be depend on how many issues we get. : /
I don't think that we will see Guilds.
I send KT on Tumblr 2 questuons. She answered about Deadpool but ignored question about Jean-Luc and Tante.
I don't see Gambit to be married and not at least to share news with them.
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Can't take away from Rogue and Deadpool panel time. Sorry the hate just comes so naturally.
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So guess that means it is not in the initial plans.
Nope, but I can hope. I think I'm more partial to his Guild matter than most.
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One more variant cover.
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One more variant cover.
Wild card and Queen of Heats.
I like it.
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And yet, still no Mike Choi variant. Talk about a tragedy.
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I usually really like Kirkham's stuff, but Rogue looks a little off, like she's wearing a wig or something. Gambit is pretty good, though. I like the stubble and the hair
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One more variant cover.
I love this variant cover alot.
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Cheese and rice, I hate that title graphic!
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Some variants should be completely blank. Like if you're going to the trouble of getting a variant, you know what book it is, lol. I like it, the noses are a little weird, hairs not bugging me though.
No Choi variant is a shame,no Clay Mann variant is travesty!
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I think Mann is with DC, has an exclusive or something but I could be wrong.
As for the covers, too many ... it worries me about incentive programs and the availability if one is wanting a cover. Having been aggressive in the past to get variants, I hope those looking have good luck.
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It is really unfortunate we won't be getting a Clay Mann variant.. but it's gutting knowing he can't ever work on this book unless something were to happen with DC.
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I am glad for Clay. He is working on best selling book right now and became artist super start. I am sure DC treats him and their artist better.
Jim Cheung left for DC too.
Carmine Di Giandomenico also left after X-Factor. I think he is the only one who can draw bi monthly books.
Now when Immonen at retirement Marvel should really pay more and keep Marquez, McNiven and Larraz.
Not a lot of A lists are left.
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Carmine Di Giandomenico .... wow ... loved his art, the fact he was fast and consistent is amazing. I would love for him to draw Gambit again. Liked his take, just like I like Mann's take on G. Marvel has lost some talent over the years.
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Carmine Di Giandomenico .... wow ... loved his art, the fact he was fast and consistent is amazing. I would love for him to draw Gambit again. Liked his take, just like I like Mann's take on G. Marvel has lost some talent over the years.
That's what happens when you hire talent and then systematically avoid awarding them contracts when they start to get good. It's sad, really. Most of these artist dream of working for Marvel, get there, and when they achieve some notoriety they get dumped or low balled. Marvel is so afraid of a repeat of the early 90s and the Image exodus, they do everything they can to avoid creating anymore "rockstar artists".
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It is Alonso's fault. Rememeber how at Comic Con he told that artist don't sell books anymore. And that Copiel is the only one who probably sell books as artist.
It was really stupid. Glad that he is gone from Marvel.
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Unless Larraz is placed on a headlining x-book after Extermination is over, I fully expect him to leave as well. It's a shame what happens with all of these wonderful artists at Marvel. Even Checchetto.. the guy was a monster on Dark Wolverine YEARS ago, and then Rucka's Punisher and is FINALLY dubbed a "young gun" by Marvel this past year.
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It's been awhile since I've posted anything in this part of gambitguild, so I hope I'm posting this in the right place and I don't know if anyone has posted this website here before, if someone already has... sorry, although I did a search and I didn't see anything. Anyway, if there's anyone who hasn't read the Gambit & Rogue issues or X-Men Gold #30, now you can and many other comics for free. Now let me just say that there are some annoying pop up adds on the site, even with popup blocker, you'll still see them try to pop up.
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Rogue-Gambit (https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Rogue-Gambit)
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/X-Men-Gold (https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/X-Men-Gold)
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/X-Men-Gold/Issue-30?id=135868 (https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/X-Men-Gold/Issue-30?id=135868)
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The thing about that websites and others like it is that it's useful but also damaging an industry that's already hurting. Those websites I think are most useful if you're trying to read an issue that was published years ago that you can no longer find in stores and may be difficult to find digitally. But if you're reading new stories that you like than you're just hurting the series that you actually are invested in.
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Not new though, for this industry or other types of media be that film, TV, etc.
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Here's a look at Issue 2: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DiQUin-UYAAt3vr.jpg
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Here's a look at Issue 2: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DiQUin-UYAAt3vr.jpg (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DiQUin-UYAAt3vr.jpg)
It already looks fun from just one panel.
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Here's a look at Issue 2: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DiQUin-UYAAt3vr.jpg (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DiQUin-UYAAt3vr.jpg)
Ha! I like it. I wonder what that object is...
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Just a general view:
This industry (comic books) has been eating itself alive for a long time. They don't market themselves well. They don't know what the audience wants ... They just toss it out there and hope it finds a base.
I'm gonna say, I don't want to spend a dime on a character and yet I'm stuck with that character because of attachment to my favorite. I'm at a crossroads .... I can support my character but it gives support to a character I don't like. I don't want to support characters I don't like, especially if mine is gonna be treated lesser to the other. Right now, we don't know but the mini didn't change my view - he was lesser to her.
I'm unhappy with what I'm given as choices for comic books. I'm not alone in that, there will be many who go the "free" route because ... like me, they don't want to buy it. Does it hurt the industry, I suppose it does. They haven't gained any new readers in years ... so ... who are they trying to gain?
Maybe ... give us more than the stuff they've got. Continuity doesn't matter any more .. so, expand and forget about it. ;D
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Here's a look at Issue 2: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DiQUin-UYAAt3vr.jpg (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DiQUin-UYAAt3vr.jpg)
Cool! It will be a fun fight :)
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Ha! I like it. I wonder what that object is...
I am sure Belay guessed it form the beginning.
Possible spoilers Phoenix Egg
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Ha, saw that coming. About the only option
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Just a general view:
This industry (comic books) has been eating itself alive for a long time. They don't market themselves well. They don't know what the audience wants . . . They just toss it out there and hope it finds a base.
I'm gonna say, I don't want to spend a dime on a character and yet I'm stuck with that character because of attachment to my favorite. I'm at a crossroads . . . . I can support my character but it gives support to a character I don't like. I don't want to support characters I don't like, especially if mine is gonna be treated lesser to the other. Right now, we don't know but the mini didn't change my view - he was lesser to her.
I'm unhappy with what I'm given as choices for comic books. I'm not alone in that, there will be many who go the "free" route because . . . like me, they don't want to buy it. Does it hurt the industry, I suppose it does. They haven't gained any new readers in years . . . so . . . who are they trying to gain?
Maybe . . . give us more than the stuff they've got. Continuity doesn't matter any more . . so, expand and forget about it. ;D
I agree the comic book industry has definitely been in decline over the last 10-15 years. Their marketing budgets have decreased because the focus is now on marketing the movies more, and yet the marketing for the comics have gotten much worse in quality. Now it's common practice for both DC and Marvel to spoil comic books before they're released and there is no communication between writers and marketing.
I agree with you that you shouldn't buy comics that you don't want to buy because they contain characters you don't like or stories you don't like. But just remember going the free route on new comics will just contribute to this downward spiral the comic industry is on and actually speed it up. Going the free route on new comics with characters in it that you actually like will hurt that character's future. I'm not saying to avoid those websites. If you want to read old comics, a particular issue of a comic you don't like, or just don't have the money then go for it. But just remember the consequences that it may have on the industry and your favorite characters in the future. If the industry continues to decline then they won't be able to release as many comics and will take less risks. It could get to the point where they'll only be willing to release comics with Batman, Superman, Spiderman, Captain America, etc (the characters that have always provided the most steady sales and have the most steady fans). Gambit has never been part of that group, Wolverine is the only x-men that is, and I don't see him joining it anytime soon unless something major happens that leads to hugely increased sales. I didn't like Deadpool V Gambit so I chose not to buy it and I chose not to read it for free on the web. Gambit could've have been written with more prominence in R&G but overall I still enjoyed it and he was written much better in that than in any other comic he's been in in the last 4-5 years. I would much rather read Gambit the way he's written by Kelly Thompson than have him be in limbo for another couple years. In general while I won't buy comics that I think portray Gambit poorly, I still would rather him appear in comics than not at all.
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Here's a look at Issue 2: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DiQUin-UYAAt3vr.jpg (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DiQUin-UYAAt3vr.jpg)
Love it lol. Boys will be boys.
And I'm honestly rooting for Remy here. My taste in Deadpool has been waning as of late. The goofball seems to have taken over as the dominant persona. Not happy about it.
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Love it lol. Boys will be boys.
And I'm honestly rooting for Remy here. My taste in Deadpool has been waning as of late. The goofball seems to have taken over as the dominant persona. Not happy about it.
I think Marvel will continue to make different projects with different Deadpool. So people can find monthly Deadpool that they like. Bunn's mini is great.
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I think Marvel will continue to make different projects with different Deadpool. So people can find monthly Deadpool that they like. Bunn's mini is great.
Agreed. It's really too bad he didn't get the ongoing.
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Possible spoilers Phoenix Egg
Not so sound like a total dumb-dumb, but what the hell does the phoenix egg do? I read the wiki on it, and am still at a lost as to what it can & can’t do. It’s the rebirth of the Phoenix right? But Jean’s already alive so...? Or does whoever is holding it when it cracks open partly control the Phoenix force?
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Really, I don`t know. Maybe Jean rejected Phoenix so it should reborn for new host? I think it will be used to ressurect Cyke.
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Really, I don`t know. Maybe Jean rejected Phoenix so it should reborn for new host? I think it will be used to ressurect Cyke.
That would be a really clever way to do it, actually. What would be kinda funny is if Cyke gets resurrected with the Phoenix only for Jean to have to kill him again like an issue later lol
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Have you guys read Xmen Red #6 yet? Gambit actually feels like a member of Jean's team with a purpose and is featured prominently. His inclusion finally makes sense. For the first time in a while his skills as a thief are gonna be useful to the Xmen instead of being used as a point of contention usually at Gambit's expense. There's also some nice dialogue where Laura tells Gabby that Gambit's one of the best thieves in the world. It's good to see this new direction that Gambit's being written in by Tom Taylor and Kelly Thompson in Red and Mr. & Mrs. X. No more of that clumsy mistake prone chump that some writers (with agendas) wanted to turn him into in the past, basically ignoring continuity. Things are looking good, almost reminds me of the 90s.
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Hi, guys! Sorry in advance for the long post.
I am a Romy fan. I like Rogue (though, the writers have made that a difficult thing for me to do in recent years), but I definitely like Gambit much more. Funnily enough, I got put on to Gambit because he was Rogue's boyfriend. I just ended up finding him much more compelling and interesting.
My biggest problem with the whole Romy thing right now is that NOTHING about it feels remotely organic to me. Not the rushed and unsatisfactory way they got back together. Not the cheesy, out-of-nowhere proposal so soon after the rushed reunion. Nothing. And that has been a recurring problem with me and the X-books for years. It is the reason why I stopped reading them with any kind of consistency. They don't seem to care anymore about developing characters and their relationships in a way that is gradual, consistent and realistic. They just care about churning out cheap gimmicks in order to get people to buy their comics. The joke is that they have been shown time and time again that this is not the way to sustain readership, but they keep doing it anyway. It's always one machination after another.
I understand that writing necessarily involves machinations on the part of the writer(s). But good writing makes events, character development, relationships, etc. feel natural. You never get the feeling that a specific outcome is being shoved down your throat. You never see the strings.
With X-books, I ALWAYS see the strings.
If they wanted to marry off Rogue and Gambit, they needed to spend some time (maybe a year?) reacquainting us with their relationship and allowing us to see how they have changed and why things will work this time as opposed to every other time they've tried. Remind us of why so many were fans of the pairing in the first place (and no, one mini-story featuring them was not enough). A lot of us have become disenchanted with Romy because of how poorly they have been written in recent years. Show us that they are both equally in love with each other. Make us invest in their relationship and WANT to see them back together.
They did none of that. So I will probably not be reading Mr. & Mrs. X. TBH, I don't anticipate this series lasting more than maybe 12 issues before cancellation.
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Hi, Hairlesscat!
Huge first post. Some like R&G and wedding and some donv't like it here.
As for me it wasn't forced and felt natural but everyone has his own opinion.
Hope you will like this place ;)
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Just to chime in about ROMY, because I've yet to.. surprisingly enough because we don't about it so much.. I don't think how they got back together in the mini was forced. I thought it was good. And Remy's proposal seemed pretty darn near what I would expect from him. I thought it was sweet.
That said, welcome to The Gambit Guild, Hairlesscat :gambit:
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Just to chime in about ROMY, because I've yet to.. surprisingly enough because we don't about it so much.. I don't think how they got back together in the mini was forced. I thought it was good. And Remy's proposal seemed pretty darn near what I would expect from him. I thought it was sweet.
That said, welcome to The Gambit Guild, Hairlesscat :gambit:
I think that proposal was very in character too.
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Hi, guys! Sorry in advance for the long post.
I am a Romy fan. I like Rogue (though, the writers have made that a difficult thing for me to do in recent years), but I definitely like Gambit much more. Funnily enough, I got put on to Gambit because he was Rogue's boyfriend. I just ended up finding him much more compelling and interesting.
My biggest problem with the whole Romy thing right now is that NOTHING about it feels remotely organic to me. Not the rushed and unsatisfactory way they got back together. Not the cheesy, out-of-nowhere proposal so soon after the rushed reunion. Nothing. And that has been a recurring problem with me and the X-books for years. It is the reason why I stopped reading them with any kind of consistency. They don't seem to care anymore about developing characters and their relationships in a way that is gradual, consistent and realistic. They just care about churning out cheap gimmicks in order to get people to buy their comics. The joke is that they have been shown time and time again that this is not the way to sustain readership, but they keep doing it anyway. It's always one machination after another.
I understand that writing necessarily involves machinations on the part of the writer(s). But good writing makes events, character development, relationships, etc. feel natural. You never get the feeling that a specific outcome is being shoved down your throat. You never see the strings.
With X-books, I ALWAYS see the strings.
If they wanted to marry off Rogue and Gambit, they needed to spend some time (maybe a year?) reacquainting us with their relationship and allowing us to see how they have changed and why things will work this time as opposed to every other time they've tried. Remind us of why so many were fans of the pairing in the first place (and no, one mini-story featuring them was not enough). A lot of us have become disenchanted with Romy because of how poorly they have been written in recent years. Show us that they are both equally in love with each other. Make us invest in their relationship and WANT to see them back together.
They did none of that. So I will probably not be reading Mr. & Mrs. X. TBH, I don't anticipate this series lasting more than maybe 12 issues before cancellation.
I actually don't think repairing them in the R&G mini and then marrying them in Gold was that rushed, considering Marvel and Mike Carey paired Rogue and Magneto literally in the span of two issues in X-men Legacy even though both characters had barely interacted in the years prior to that.
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Welcome, Hairlesscat!
I don't agree with your overall point, but I think it just comes down to personal preference. With all of their history, I didn't think it was necessary to have them together for a full year before they got married. Heck, with how wishy washy editorial can be, who knows if they would have lasted a year before some other writer split them up.
Either way, I think you bring up some valid points. I have a feeling it will get cancelled as well, but mostly because Marvel has been dropping the ball marketing it.
Anyways, glad to have another Romy fan here!
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Welcome, Hairlesscat!
Thank you!
I don't agree with your overall point, but I think it just comes down to personal preference. With all of their history, I didn't think it was necessary to have them together for a full year before they got married.
It's true that they have a lot of history. But the writers have also done so much damage to their relationship that I think they needed to spend a not insubstantial amount of time undoing it. One miniseries was not enough IMO. Not by a long shot.
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I’m at the point where I’m ready to move ahead with Romy. I’m cautiously hoping this is a fresh start. I don’t like HOW we got here—they needed time to work out their issues before ultimately marrying—but that’s where they’re at now and I’ve accepted it.
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(http://community.comicbookresources.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=68387&d=1531946768)
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I’m at the point where I’m ready to move ahead with Romy. I’m cautiously hoping this is a fresh start. I don’t like HOW we got here—they needed time to work out their issues before ultimately marrying—but that’s where they’re at now and I’ve accepted it.
Agree. I am for Fresh Start with good stories then 1 more year trying to resolve bad writing of past writers.
KT did enough in R&G so they were able to move forward.
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(http://community.comicbookresources.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=68387&d=1531946768)
C^ckblock Kitty
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C^ckblock Kitty
This seems like it's post-sexy time, so it may not be a c*ckblock just an unwanted interruption. Similar to what Kitty did in R&G #3.
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(http://community.comicbookresources.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=68387&d=1531946768)
Ha! This is great. What else are they gonna do on their honeymoon when they're stuck on a spaceship?
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https://www.newsarama.com/40899-young-ramos-campbell-dodson-give-covers-as-wedding-gifts-for-mr-mrs-x-1.html#s1 some variants that we have seen already the Skottie Young one is funny
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https://www.newsarama.com/40899-young-ramos-campbell-dodson-give-covers-as-wedding-gifts-for-mr-mrs-x-1.html#s1 (https://www.newsarama.com/40899-young-ramos-campbell-dodson-give-covers-as-wedding-gifts-for-mr-mrs-x-1.html#s1) some variants that we have seen already the Skottie Young one is funny
I think the Ramos one is still my favorite, followed by the Skottie Young one
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Agree. I am for Fresh Start with good stories then 1 more year trying to resolve bad writing of past writers.
KT did enough in R&G so they were able to move forward.
I use a year as an example. Even 6 months would have been better than the - what, one month? - that we got.
I would argue that we are still in a time of bad writers. Rogue was very clearly the star of the mini. Gambit got no character development at all in that. IMO, he is still just as much of a lapdog there as he was during Carey's run. Only now, Rogue wants him. I think a lot of X-book fans (which is apparently an ever-dwindling group) are just so used to getting shoddy writing that the bar has definitely been set very low.
I think it's very telling that fanfic writers tend to write a better Gambit than most of the writers at Marvel.
But that is just my opinion. I know you disagree and that's fine.
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I use a year as an example. Even 6 months would have been better than the - what, one month? - that we got.
I would argue that we are still in a time of bad writers. Rogue was very clearly the star of the mini. Gambit got no character development at all in that. IMO, he is still just as much of a lapdog there as he was during Carey's run. Only now, Rogue wants him. I think a lot of X-book fans (which is apparently an ever-dwindling group) are just so used to getting shoddy writing that the bar has definitely been set very low.
I think it's very telling that fanfic writers tend to write a better Gambit than most of the writers at Marvel.
But that is just my opinion. I know you disagree and that's fine.
First of all, welcome hairlesscat. (I love the name).
I think the mini cleaned up some things but mostly for Rogue (as you said - star - it was all about her) and I do have an issue with that, Gambit wasn't as important. Gambit never resolved anything and Rogue didn't apologize until til late (yeah, broken record, but not wrong, and has not been addressed until it benefited Rogue). I'm not gonna say couples don't recover from that but .. damn ... talk about one-sided and in Rogue's favor.
I don't have faith in the writer to write Gambit well, but Rogue fans, you'll be sitting pretty because everyone (writers) makes sure Rogue is well. Beyond powers and his devotion, Gambit is treated as nobody, isn't given story beyond love of Rogue, the mini did nothing for him.
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Make Gambit equal.
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Good first post hairless as I feel like I have a kindred spirit in my Romy debate. An organic resolution would be Rogue and Gambit working out their issues together. That is what Gambit, Rogue and Romy fans deserved IMO. For Rogue and Gambit to put in the time and effort to resolve Rogue's trust issues and Gambit's secretive ways.
A plot device whereby a seemingly unsolvable problem in a story is suddenly and abruptly resolved by an unexpected and seemingly unlikely occurrence, typically so much as to seem contrived.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus_ex_machina (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus_ex_machina)
After reading 20 plus years of ups and downs between Romy, how did their seemingly impossible problems get resolved? A character that never existed was created for the sole purpose of getting Rogue to ignore all the issues she has with Gambit. Gambit did nothing. He didn't pledge to be less secretive, he didn't have to convince Rogue of anything. This plot device named Lavish did all the work for him.
What is the likelihood that Rogue would encounter a villain tailor made to solve her issues with Gambit? That is why it is not organic. That is why it is contrived. In the story of their relationship, Lavish is the last minute Deus Ex Machina introduced to resolve an issue that neither Gambit or Rogue could resolve in over 20+ years of stories. So I agree with you 100%. It felt cheap and easy the way it was ultimately resolved.
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https://www.newsarama.com/40899-young-ramos-campbell-dodson-give-covers-as-wedding-gifts-for-mr-mrs-x-1.html#s1 (https://www.newsarama.com/40899-young-ramos-campbell-dodson-give-covers-as-wedding-gifts-for-mr-mrs-x-1.html#s1) some variants that we have seen already the Skottie Young one is funny
Ramos variant is the only one that I like.
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Good first post hairless as I feel like I have a kindred spirit in my Romy debate. An organic resolution would be Rogue and Gambit working out their issues together. That is what Gambit, Rogue and Romy fans deserved IMO. For Rogue and Gambit to put in the time and effort to resolve Rogue's trust issues and Gambit's secretive ways.
A plot device whereby a seemingly unsolvable problem in a story is suddenly and abruptly resolved by an unexpected and seemingly unlikely occurrence, typically so much as to seem contrived.
https://en. wikipedia. org/wiki/Deus_ex_machina
After reading 20 plus years of ups and downs between Romy, how did their seemingly impossible problems get resolved? A character that never existed was created for the sole purpose of getting Rogue to ignore all the issues she has with Gambit. Gambit did nothing. He didn't pledge to be less secretive, he didn't have to convince Rogue of anything. This plot device named Lavish did all the work for him.
What is the likelihood that Rogue would encounter a villain tailor made to solve her issues with Gambit? That is why it is not organic. That is why it is contrived. In the story of their relationship, Lavish is the last minute Deus Ex Machina introduced to resolve an issue that neither Gambit or Rogue could resolve in over 20+ years of stories. So I agree with you 100%. It felt cheap and easy the way it was ultimately resolved.
Agreed with everything! Especially the fact that Lavish was a deus ex machina! Lazy, lazy writing. I actually would have loved to see Romy together. But the way it's been done, I feel cheated. After all the following and investment that I have put into these two characters and their relationship, I am low-key pissed that I've gotten this sloppy, haphazard storyline that not only does nothing for one half of the relationship but also magically made all of their problems go away.
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Good first post hairless as I feel like I have a kindred spirit in my Romy debate.
I'm not a kindred spirit? I'm hurt Remydat .... ;) *teasing* of course.
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Great first post hairlesscat. You make good points. Personally, I thought the R&G mini was decently organic. At least enough for me. I'm also in the boat of let's move on and just do the right thing from here going forward. You guys mention how it's a "deus ex machine" but I mean, welcome to the comics. The comic universe is a silly place where a million things happen constantly for convenience of story, to fix narratives, and to change ideas. To not be satisfied with an instance where a villain is brought in to mess with characters heads and force a character to deal with feelings, emotions and memories(finally) to where it makes her come out looking at things from a different perspective, is fine. I'm okay with it. Mostly because I thought it was done pretty well and I was never expecting them to do a really long played out working through all their specific problems. I understand some Gambit fans feeling like he is owed that. I just feel like he is owed being written well.
I also liked Gambit in the R&G mini for the most part. I know some feel like Gambit was just a sidekick but I don't really agree. I thought Gambit was confident, slick, honest, kicked some ass, and kept Rogue on her toes. People might think this is an excuse but in that particular story it makes sense if Rogue is a little more of the focus. She's the one who needs to come to terms with things and is the one with the hang-ups. She's the one that needs to figure things out. One thing that has been consistent over the years is how Gambit feels. He doesn't need the mindf^ck to know where he stands. She does. And I just happen to buy the mind messing being the thing that brought her back to how much she loves him. She's probably got a really tormented psyche after the years. They even had her genuinely apologize to Gambit and not letting him get away with the "you don't have to" line and makes sure he understands it. Again, this is more than I thought I would see from Marvel in an attempt to admit Rogue has not been wonderful to him. I like the approach that Rogue is the one that has to come correct here. And she does. Now, if you just hate Rogue at this point I understand that it's not enough. But for me I think it's a good start for moving forward.
And I totally like the proposal and marriage of the two. They're spontaneous and impulsive and just go with their feelings. It's part of what make Gambit and Rogue the hottest/sexiest/funnest couple in Marvel. And I'd love for them to get back to that. Them slipping through the back door and becoming the married X-couple instead of the highly publicized Kitty and Colossus, I think is hitting the right note. For a Romy fan anyway. I'm just hoping everything continues going in the right direction in Mr and Mrs X.
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I'm not a kindred spirit? I'm hurt Remydat .... ;) *teasing* of course.
Of course. You were the original lol.
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Wantutosigh,
A relationship is two people. It makes sense to focus on Rogue but doesn't make sense for Gambit to not be a part of the solution. Rogue had reservations about Gambit not Lavish. The focus of the mini should have been Gambit convincing Rogue ie them working things out together. Instead Gambit takes a backseat in his own relationship while Rogue and Lavish work things out.
Not sure it is a good basis for a marriage that Gambit can't convince Rogue of anything on his own. Is she going to call Lavish after their first big fight? Or maybe just absorb his memories herself because she can't just trust his word? Is Gambit going to remain secretive?
Having said that, you are right that what's done is done. Hopefully going forward Rogue will respect her husband's opinion enough to actually take it to heart rather than needing to rely on memory absorption to resolve their problems.
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Them slipping through the back door and becoming the married X-couple instead of the highly publicized Kitty and Colossus, I think is hitting the right note. For a Romy fan anyway. I'm just hoping everything continues going in the right direction in Mr and Mrs X.
It's true that they could be pretty spontaneous in the past. But it's funny how Rogue became selectively spontaneous after years of dithering now that there is an editorial mandate that they get married.
Maybe it's just me. But I have never seen Rogue and Gambit as the big-lavish-wedding-in-front-of-the-Xmen-type of couple. They always struck me as that couple that would live together a la Claremont's X-treme for years and be perfectly happy with that until they suddenly decided to get hitched in Vegas or something. Just simple and low-key. I guess the white wedding just seems too. . . traditional (?) to me. I am sorry if I offend some by saying this, but KT's writing has always felt a bit like fanfic to me. And I feel like that part was a bit too. . . fanfic-y. I can definitely see her influence in that.
And I don't personally believe there is ever an excuse for deus ex machina - fantasy world or not - unless you are intentionally using it to be funny. Which they clearly aren't.
I'm happy that y'all are happy. But I'm just not. And I respect all of your opinions.
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https://www.newsarama.com/40937-rogue-gambit-seal-it-with-a-kiss-in-mr-and-mrs-x-1-preview.html#s1 Heres the preview, read enjoy or don't im sure there will be complaints
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Love it! Happy to see Bishop at Remy's side. Their friendship is not forgotten.
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I liked the preview. It's good to see Gambit interacting with other Xmen and it's so refreshing to see him genuinely happy. Excited to read the rest of this.
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Love it! Happy to see Bishop at Remy's side. Their friendship is not forgotten.
I loved it too. I really enjoyed Gambit's interactions with the other X-Men, and especially his banter with Bishop. I missed their friendship. I hope we get to see more of it.
If the preview is any indication, it's going to be a great book for *both* characters.
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https://www.newsarama.com/40937-rogue-gambit-seal-it-with-a-kiss-in-mr-and-mrs-x-1-preview.html#s1 (https://www.newsarama.com/40937-rogue-gambit-seal-it-with-a-kiss-in-mr-and-mrs-x-1-preview.html#s1) Heres the preview, read enjoy or don't im sure there will be complaints
Oh... Oh you know there will be. That was nice. Dare I say, heartwarming even. I swear... sometimes I think some of my ideas and plot points are leaking into this book.
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Love it! Happy to see Bishop at Remy's side. Their friendship is not forgotten.
Yeah was surprised someone actually remembered Bishop and Gambit know each other. That was a nice touch.
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I just want somebody to take the time to fix him. He murdered an entire future Earth just to minimize Cable's options to run from him while he tried to murder his adopted daughter for hostilities she might aggravate in the future. Bishop. The guy I grew up reading as a selfless soldier of sacrifice and a stalwart of the greater good. Just don't buy it. Even if they are really going to just brush it off as it being the result of possession, we need an arc showing him dealing with the guilt of his body being along for the ride.
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At this point I am not sure if Guggenheim really wrote Gold 30.
It seems at least KT made dialogue rewrites for Gambit and Rogue.
Just my impression.
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At this point I am not sure if Guggenheim really wrote Gold 30.
It seems at least KT made dialogue rewrites for Gambit and Rogue.
Just my impression.
I get the same impression. I loved the tease. Like Don said, it was heartwarming. What are they talking about in the scene with Rogue and Ilyana? Seems like a power dampener or something.
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I just want somebody to take the time to fix him. He murdered an entire future Earth just to minimize Cable's options to run from him while he tried to murder his adopted daughter for hostilities she might aggravate in the future. Bishop. The guy I grew up reading as a selfless soldier of sacrifice and a stalwart of the greater good. Just don't buy it. Even if they are really going to just brush it off as it being the result of possession, we need an arc showing him dealing with the guilt of his body being along for the ride.
There is really no way to fix that. The only way I see that happening is if he, Cable and Hope were in a book together devoted to resolving this.
One possible solution? Have Bishop go back to the future and stop his past self from murdering all those people. Of course I don't think Marvel cares enough to bother.
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Love it! Happy to see Bishop at Remy's side. Their friendship is not forgotten.
Same here! I always liked their dynamic
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At this point I am not sure if Guggenheim really wrote Gold 30.
It seems at least KT made dialogue rewrites for Gambit and Rogue.
Just my impression.
I had asked Kelly when I read X-Men Gold #30 about this and she did mention she gave an input in a lot of things starting from the dress to the behaviour of both the characters to match with the issue #1 of Mr&Mrs X.
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Had also forgotten about Gambit and Blink's connection so her inclusion makes that scene cooler. Glad to see KT remembered it.
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I had asked Kelly when I read X-Men Gold #30 about this and she did mention she gave an input in a lot of things starting from the dress to the behaviour of both the characters to match with the issue #1 of Mr&Mrs X.
I thnk she did even more for Gold 30 butshe is not allowed to tell.
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https://www.newsarama.com/40937-rogue-gambit-seal-it-with-a-kiss-in-mr-and-mrs-x-1-preview.html#s1 (https://www.newsarama.com/40937-rogue-gambit-seal-it-with-a-kiss-in-mr-and-mrs-x-1-preview.html#s1) Heres the preview, read enjoy or don't im sure there will be complaints
I like it. Loving Gambit's interections. I'm a bit iffy about the art, though. Rogue has a weird Barbie face.
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I thnk she did even more for Gold 30 butshe is not allowed to tell.
Same here, I have a feeling that Romy part is completley her work ;)
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I like it. Loving Gambit's interections. I'm a bit iffy about the art, though. Rogue has a weird Barbie face.
Still completely agree with this. Doesn't look like Rogue to me. Her and Magik have basically the same face.
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Regarding the preview: a few pages in and I like it already. The vignette-style opening pages are a nice touch, the banter is pretty great, plenty of well-used cameos, and the art's not bad (not as good as Perez, but not bad at all). I'm looking forward to picking this issue up.
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Seriously loved all the little nods to continuity, did not expect to see bishop and had forgotten about bling entirely.
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There is really no way to fix that. The only way I see that happening is if he, Cable and Hope were in a book together devoted to resolving this.
One possible solution? Have Bishop go back to the future and stop his past self from murdering all those people. Of course I don't think Marvel cares enough to bother.
No, I don't want the deed undone. I believe they blamed that whole thing on Bishop being possessed (because all of those "omega-level" telepaths wouldnt have noticed that...). They got the Demon Bear out and defeated it, but Bishop is still left here with this character assassination. If you compare the amount of eyes on Uncanny X-Force that brought Bishop back to the amount that saw him completely turn heel for 2+ years, it's not even a contest. They need to insert Bishop into a flagship book and use a sub-plot to rehab his character back to being a legit hero, right now he's tarnished. His actions after Messiah Complex are too deranged to just hand-wave off in my opinion. I'm a continuity junky. That crap happened and Bishop the character needs to shown confronting it on the big stage even if it leads to his demise via self-sacrifice in an attempt to redeem himself in the eyes of the X-Men.
Like Gambit being left by the entirety of the X-Men to die. Bishop razes an entire planet and it's just wrapped up in a small arc in a satellite book no one read and it's never brought up again? And the thing is, since he's been back, he's short on words and dark. I'd like Bishop of old back. He wasn't upbeat or super friendly, but he was confident and challenged people around him. I'd rather not see him just sitting in corners. It might just be more of those 80s writers hating on the 90s. I'm glad we're getting writers that are kinder to the 90s era characters.
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Cover for issue #4 by Terry Dodson and frankly I don't like the cover as Gambit doesn't look like Gambit at all.
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Really excited for the series, but man, all these covers are so weak.
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Cover for issue #4 by Terry Dodson and frankly I don't like the cover as Gambit doesn't look like Gambit at all.
Thanks! Glad to see more new costumes :)
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Thompson’s forthcoming Mr. and Mrs. X, which details Gambit and Rogue’s honeymoon after their surprise wedding in X-Men Gold (which Cebulski noted would be continuing with a new arc about Storm).[/size]Speaking of that surprise wedding, during the question and answer session with fans that ended the panel, a reader asked if Marvel had initially planned to have Kitty Pryde and Colossus marry without a hitch. At a Marvel creative retreat, however, someone suggested this idea (Cebulski thinks it was maybe Donny Cates, which, of course it was) and the Rogue and Gambit story evolved from there.
http://www.comicsbeat.com/sdcc-18-uncanny-x-men-returning-this-fall-and-more-news-at-marvels-x-panel/amp/http://www.comicsbeat.com/sdcc-18-uncanny-x-men-returning-this-fall-and-more-news-at-marvels-x-panel/amp/[/size]
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^ I wholeheartedly believe that's how the idea came about. . .
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Lol, yes. Kelly Thompson said that the mini series had are been planned and she was working on it when the wedding twist was decided and she changed a few things to make it fit better.
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No, I don't want the deed undone. I believe they blamed that whole thing on Bishop being possessed (because all of those "omega-level" telepaths wouldnt have noticed that...). They got the Demon Bear out and defeated it, but Bishop is still left here with this character assassination. If you compare the amount of eyes on Uncanny X-Force that brought Bishop back to the amount that saw him completely turn heel for 2+ years, it's not even a contest. They need to insert Bishop into a flagship book and use a sub-plot to rehab his character back to being a legit hero, right now he's tarnished. His actions after Messiah Complex are too deranged to just hand-wave off in my opinion. I'm a continuity junky. That crap happened and Bishop the character needs to shown confronting it on the big stage even if it leads to his demise via self-sacrifice in an attempt to redeem himself in the eyes of the X-Men.
Like Gambit being left by the entirety of the X-Men to die. Bishop razes an entire planet and it's just wrapped up in a small arc in a satellite book no one read and it's never brought up again? And the thing is, since he's been back, he's short on words and dark. I'd like Bishop of old back. He wasn't upbeat or super friendly, but he was confident and challenged people around him. I'd rather not see him just sitting in corners. It might just be more of those 80s writers hating on the 90s. I'm glad we're getting writers that are kinder to the 90s era characters.
You can't really redeem yourself from murdering a planet though. Any attempt at trying to frame a redemption story in my mind fails because his crime is too great. Like would you want to read a redemption story about Adolf Hitler as quite frankly Bishop murdered something like 1,000 times more people.
The only thing that would satisfy me would be him undoing it honestly. However, again I just don't think anyone at Marvel really cares nor do I think the readers care all that much either. This is a different era where continuity means very little to Marvel and a large portion of readers.
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New variant cover
https://78.media.tumblr.com/66017bb8799a9bdb7ae079dd20beea4e/tumblr_inline_pccdi4MORz1r9n07i_540.jpg
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Newsarama interviews Kelly Thompson for the upcoming Mr&Mrs X ongoing series.
https://www.newsarama.com/41054-rogue-gambit-mr-mrs-x-x-men-kelly-thompson.html
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New variant cover
https://78.media.tumblr.com/66017bb8799a9bdb7ae079dd20beea4e/tumblr_inline_pccdi4MORz1r9n07i_540.jpg (https://78.media.tumblr.com/66017bb8799a9bdb7ae079dd20beea4e/tumblr_inline_pccdi4MORz1r9n07i_540.jpg)
My favourite variant so far!
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Newsarama interviews Kelly Thompson for the upcoming Mr&Mrs X ongoing series.
https://www.newsarama.com/41054-rogue-gambit-mr-mrs-x-x-men-kelly-thompson.html (https://www.newsarama.com/41054-rogue-gambit-mr-mrs-x-x-men-kelly-thompson.html)
Nothing new, really but I liked that interview.
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Only one day left and I am Super excited.
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Here's a link to a website for anyone wants the latest news on mostly Gambit and Rogue and on other things. Again, I hope I'm not giving a link to a place that's been already put here at one point. But again, I did a search, but nothing came up.
http://soulkiller-rebel-rogue.blogspot.com/ (http://soulkiller-rebel-rogue.blogspot.com/)
I must admit that after reading Rogue & Gambit #1-5 and X-Men Gold #30, that I'm starting to like the pairing again. Something that I haven't been able to do since X-Treme X-Men where it looked like they were finally getting their act together... but we all know what happen after that, but who could seen what happen coming??? So, I guess I should enjoy the upcoming Mr. & Mrs. X while I can.
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Here's a link to a website for anyone wants the latest news on mostly Gambit and Rogue and on other things. Again, I hope I'm not giving a link to a place that's been already put here at one point. But again, I did a search, but nothing came up.
http://soulkiller-rebel-rogue.blogspot.com/ (http://soulkiller-rebel-rogue.blogspot.com/)
That's a cool blog. Thanks for sharing!
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https://www.newsarama.com/41054-rogue-gambit-mr-mrs-x-x-men-kelly-thompson.html
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Here's a link to a website for anyone wants the latest news on mostly Gambit and Rogue and on other things. Again, I hope I'm not giving a link to a place that's been already put here at one point. But again, I did a search, but nothing came up.
http://soulkiller-rebel-rogue.blogspot.com/ (http://soulkiller-rebel-rogue.blogspot.com/)
You couldn't find a link here because very few links that were here on the links page exist anymore.I removed the page, seemed to be useless.
Its good that they're still doing stuff. ;D
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Did i miss this book?
When did it come out?
Wheres the Rogue icon? :gambit:
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Which one, X-men Gold #30 or Mr and Mrs X? #30 has come out but it's probably not too hard to find a copy. Mr and Mrs X #2 is out now, but #1 probably not to hard to find either, becyit got a second printing. The