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Gambit => Gambit => Topic started by: Nekobaghira on December 12, 2018, 11:08:35 AM
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Thread for the book:
based on comments from CBR - Rogue saves the day again. (we should be surprised.)
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My favorite things about this issue:
Marry Sue Rogue saving the day. She is just so super awesome.
Rogue inviting her ex so she could talk out her issues instead of talking to her actual husband. Mags is just so manly looking and caring. I am shocked they just didn't do it in the air right then and there.
Things I am looking forward too:
Rogue taking over as Queen of Thieves from their incompetent King. With Bella they can form an awesome duo. Go girl power!
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On the bright side, Gambit has a pretty boss moment in X-men Red. At least someone remembers he can do more than just charge cards.
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There is so much I want to say and all of it sarcastic. In the end-KT is a female MC, only Gambit isn't getting any story.
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That uncalled Magneto cameo made me want to puke. Just because Gambit’s ex was there, KT felt the urge to insert Rogue’s ex to balance it out? Seriously? Magneto is the lowest point in Rogue’s history but now suddenly he cares enough to give her his blessing? And she apologizes as if she owes him something. This alone ruined an issue that otherwise could’ve fun.
Having read just once, I kinda liked the conversation Gambit had with Bella (maybe I’ll change my mind when I read again). But except for Bobby and Beast, the other characters were just there in the background, and Laura was out of character.
Very disappointing issue. And I say disappointing because I was actually expecting this to be better than the previous ones.
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Gambit having one somewhat badass moment in Red doesn't make up for being a wallpaper in other issues. This book is so overrated, and I say that as an X-Men fan, not just a Gambit fan.
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I'm in a IDGAF mode. This book is a Rogue solo and Gambit be damned. Having splash scenes while nice does nothing when he is a NOBODY in this book that he is suppose to be half of ....
Don - be shocked, even Gambit's cats can't get me interested.
Anyway - my apologies, no offense to anyone, don't take my words personally.
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Rogue didn't save the day, she ended the fight quickly because she was impatient, Gambit wasn't in any danger or grave peril he didn't need help, infact Rogue was the one who needed help,without her powers she couldn't handle it any more and went nuclear to end it quickly, otherwise Gambit would have had to keep protecting her and fight everyone else which would have taken a while and they had guests arriving. If anything Rogue is so poorly written and im not a huge Rogue fan but i feel sorry for her fans, the Magneto thing was weird, Bella showing up was fun for me as im a huge Bella fan. the issue was a bit of a rush job and Rogue is all angsty again but Remy was written well and again a competent fighter. Also KT is not doing a very good job with the other X-Men it seems very forced and out of character especially the splash page conversations and she messed up one of the most iconic story's about Bishop hitting rogue with the pie, it ended the conflict with Remy before Bella attacked but as he is retelling it Rogue apparently came flying at him covered in pie, god damn KT
In Red every time Gambit is used he is basically leading the team apart from jean, in the latest issue he is giving orders to the freaking Avengers aswell as showcasing his powers
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here's Gambit being boss
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I agree with Dantay, Gambit was actually written better than Rogue, his scene with Bella was good. In fact Bella was great in this. Rogue on the other hand was the one that struggled a little this time.
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I will say, I believe there a panel of rogue flying covered in pie toward the end of that scene. So that’s ok, and I agree that she didn’t really save the day, but the mags cameo was eye rolling.
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I will say, I believe there a panel of rogue flying covered in pie toward the end of that scene. So that’s ok, and I agree that she didn’t really save the day, but the mags cameo was eye rolling.
ah your correct , she stopped when they were laughing, dang it
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I actually really liked this issue, apart from creepy old Magneto sticking his oar in. At least he didn’t offer her a magic cure.
One thing that bothered me was the lack of reaction shots. I don’t know if that’s an artist or writer decision, or just born out of the page limit on each issue, but I would’ve loved to have a moment for Gambit’s reaction when Jean-Luc and Belle just turn up out of nowhere after years of silence. Particularly when it turns out they both just turned up to warn him.
I thought it was funny that the other Thieves think marrying Rogue makes Gambit a wimp.
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Gambit having one somewhat badass moment in Red doesn't make up for being a wallpaper in other issues. This book is so overrated, and I say that as an X-Men fan, not just a Gambit fan.
No one said that. It is just said that he has better momements in a wallpaper book than in a book he is costarring in. And I use the term costar loosely as at this point he is more like the bumbling sidekick.
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No one said that. It is just said that he has better momements in a wallpaper book than in a book he is costarring in. And I use the term costar loosely as at this point he is more like the bumbling sidekick.
What books are you reading? seriously how is he bumbling?
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On one hand you got Gambit telling Bella not to disrespect his wife. On the other you have Rogue disrespecting Gambit by inviting Mags into their lives again at a time when he is warring with the X-men.[/size]Rogue has zero respect for Gambit. And frankly not sure she even loves him. Her dialogue here suggests not love for Gambit but simple she married him because he has been there for her. He is the convenient stooge who will always be ready to put up with whatever bulls*** Rogue throws his way.In real life, you pull the s*** Rogue did in inviting her ex without having the courtesy if telling her husband and that is a quick way to end up single. Defending Mary Sue Rogue's disrespect here is laughable particularly when it was always Gambit that was getting s*** for being secretive.They have been married for less than a month and Rogue basically already lying and keeping secrets from Gambit.[/size]
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What books are you reading? seriously how is he bumbling?
I really liked him this issue. He came across as much more self-aware and capable than Rogue, who’s being kind of messy. I like Rogue messy, so I don’t mind her ‘oh noes I got the sad powers’ moment. He also got to interact with Jean-Luc and Bella- two people he has a strong but complicated emotional connection to. The moment with Bella had a real ‘if only things had been different’ feel.
I liked that he assumed all the other X-men would think his house and food were amazing.
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What books are you reading? seriously how is he bumbling?
He didn't take a spear while staring right at Deathbird? The TG's is not currently trying to overthrow their King because he has neglected his duties because he all up in Rogue's ass all while she having secret meetings with her ex?
Anyone here that claims they would be cool with their significant other meeting with their ex and lying to them about it is full of s***. Again, she has no respect for the dude. They just pledged their lives to each other and this sucker for love Gambit entertaining their friends while Rogue getting comforted by the X-men's enemy and a dude that tried to murder her husband.
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here's Gambit being boss
We agree here. Wallpaper or not, the dude has people's respect and someone remembered he can charge s*** other than cards.
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No one said that. It is just said that he has better momements in a wallpaper book than in a book he is costarring in. And I use the term costar loosely as at this point he is more like the bumbling sidekick.
I completely disagree but that's just my opinion, I'm expressing it, not imposing it.
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here's Gambit being boss
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Loved it. He was great in this issue of RED and showed what he can do with powers and great plan.
Taylor is writing great Gambit when he is writing him.
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He didn't take a spear while staring right at Deathbird? The TG's is not currently trying to overthrow their King because he has neglected his duties because he all up in Rogue's ass all while she having secret meetings with her ex?
Anyone here that claims they would be cool with their significant other meeting with their ex and lying to them about it is full of s***. Again, she has no respect for the dude. They just pledged their lives to each other and this sucker for love Gambit entertaining their friends while Rogue getting comforted by the X-men's enemy and a dude that tried to murder her husband.
The Death Bird thing you need to get over, seriously, Gambit had whooped major ass , turns around to Deathbird and her soldiers attacking and is slashed on his side by her blade, its an instantaneous moment, she is super powered you know? i mean she's not some randomer also she was well rested unlike Gambit and pissed that he left her stranded in space.
Well the guilds being unhappy with him neglecting them is not new, remember the last time he was leader of the unified guild, they weren't happy he was dividing his duties between them and the X-men, hell most of his guild want to kill him already before he took over and few of them respect him, Nil?
The Magneto thing is odd and as you say Gambit doesnt know and im sure his reaction wont be good as rogues wont be good either when she finds out Bella was in their bedroom a woman who tried to kill her in the past and is responsible for Codys death, the wedding was such a rush job it's not going to end well, bella showing up was a shock where as Mags showing up was planned so much worse ofcourse but it just happened there will be fallout from it, again im not a Rogue fan, i hate Romy i want him with Bella but but this book is not the book you are making it out to be, its not great or anything but you and others here in the guild are just looking for reasons to hate on it.
I agree that its not well written overall but Gambit is no push over in this book , he is competent ,badass and cunning, yes even though he was hit with a spear from Deathbird while looking at her, sure he should have dodged it even though he had fought loads of peeps and she was already in motion flying towards him and is a genetic mutant with superhuman strength, speed, stamina, agility, flexibility, reflexes, coordination, balance, and endurance...........like come on dude, let it go :)
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On one hand you got Gambit telling Bella not to disrespect his wife. On the other you have Rogue disrespecting Gambit by inviting Mags into their lives again at a time when he is warring with the X-men.Rogue has zero respect for Gambit. And frankly not sure she even loves him. Her dialogue here suggests not love for Gambit but simple she married him because he has been there for her. He is the convenient stooge who will always be ready to put up with whatever bulls*** Rogue throws his way.In real life, you pull the s*** Rogue did in inviting her ex without having the courtesy if telling her husband and that is a quick way to end up single. Defending Mary Sue Rogue's disrespect here is laughable particularly when it was always Gambit that was getting s*** for being secretive.They have been married for less than a month and Rogue basically already lying and keeping secrets from Gambit.
didnt see this comment so heres a reply,i dont think its disrespect, its a bad decision, but more from someone whos freaking out and afraid not from someone who doesn't care, i do think this marriage will end , i think when everything slows down they will realize they rushed things an made a mistake, end of issue 5 had a real The Graduate ending vibe about it, (well s*** what do we do now) theres repercussions coming KT is building towards something and its not a happy ending me thinks.
if you read the issue at the end she was about to tell Remy and he was going to tell here about Bella but Remy asked to wait a bit before they talked so again repercussions are coming
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didnt see this comment so heres a reply,i dont think its disrespect, its a bad decision, but more from someone whos freaking out and afraid not from someone who doesn't care, i do think this marriage will end , i think when everything slows down they will realize they rushed things an made a mistake, end of issue 5 had a real The Graduate ending vibe about it, (well s*** what do we do now) theres repercussions coming KT is building towards something and its not a happy ending me thinks.
if you read the issue at the end she was about to tell Remy and he was going to tell here about Bella but Remy asked to wait a bit before they talked so again repercussions are coming
Bad decisions and disrespect are not mutually exclusive. It is a bad decision precisely because she disrespects her husband.
Comparing it to Bella is also disingenuous as Gambit didn't invite Bella so Rogue has no reason to be upset with Gambit for Bella coming uninvited.
By contrast Rogue invites Mags, keeps it from her husband, and then confides in him in a way she does not with hwr husband. If Rogue were a guy, women would characterize it as emotional cheating.
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Bad decisions and disrespect are not mutually exclusive. It is a bad decision precisely because she disrespects her husband.
Comparing it to Bella is also disingenuous as Gambit didn't invite Bella so Rogue has no reason to be upset with Gambit for Bella coming uninvited.
By contrast Rogue invites Mags, keeps it from her husband, and then confides in him in a way she does not with hwr husband. If Rogue were a guy, women would characterize it as emotional cheating.
while i dont think its her being disrespectful it is a wtf are you thinking decision its not going to go well, why even involve him, suppose certain fans were looking for that interaction but its so out of character especially Mags speaking encouragingly of Remy, i do disagree but i also get your point
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Fair enough!
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Kelly could or should have had Rogue finally telling Mag of what an evil manipulative psychopathic mass murder who is responsible for numerous of atrocities, that she'll never forgive him for what he's done (since he keeps doing this), was the cause of her making her "bad on top of bad" decision on leaving Gambit to die and to never bother them again. Instead her whole past with him is treated with kid gloves, now Mag is someone who can give "well no duh" advice. It's sad to see this become a permanently part of character now, that she'll always be a clueless dimwitted fool when it comes to him, always giving him a free past and continues to hold Gambit to a much higher degree. So now Rogue has not only left Mystique off the hook, but now Mag...
I wouldn't be surprised if Kelly has Gambit shrugging the trial off as if it was no big deal. I don't think I'm going to bother with this series anymore.
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Well it makes sense I guess. Rogue did get off on hearing how Mags murdered Nazis so I guess murder turns her on.
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I was really giving this book a try, and I didn't totally hate this issue, but that One Scene has me livid and it overshadows the little I did enjoy.
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I’ve read issue 6 again and though I still hate that cameo with all my being, I’ve accepted the rest of the issue better. It’s easier when you know what to expect. It’s funny how Bell’s speech reflects exactly how some of us feel about Remy’s unconditional love for Rogue. It’s actually sad. Rogue lacks empathy, support and passion when it comes to Remy and it’s no different in this series. I’m not a Rogue fan so it’s hard for me to give her a pass and dismiss her behavior as simply character flaws and say it’s admirable that the author is acknowledging her insecurities because that makes it all about her while Remy is already emotionally mature so he gets no real development on this front.
Considering Marvel’s track record, chances are the series will end after this Mojo arc but it seems KT had left so many hooks to the supposed fourth arc that I’m thinking that maybe it could happen. If it doesn’t, there’ll be some loose ends regarding the Guilds, Tante Mattie, Gambit’s status as King and so on.
Although I’m not enjoying this series as much as I expected to I actually hope a subsequent arc happens. Gambit desperately needs some development – if it doesn’t end up being all about Rogue’s reactions and Gambit just being there for her, that is. I've become cynical of this series.
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here's Gambit being boss
Thank God
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Well it makes sense I guess. Rogue did get off on hearing how Mags murdered Nazis so I guess murder turns her on.
I was really giving this book a try, and I didn't totally hate this issue, but that One Scene has me livid and it overshadows the little I did enjoy.
Just a thought - but if Gambit actually had more with other books, it would be easier to handle some of the "treatment" in this book.
How is it ... that the writer .. didn't know, that Magneto was a trigger for fans. Why was it needed to have Magneto there ... I don't understand. There is no balance in this book, its all about Rogue, IMO.
Taylor might not do much with Gambit in Red due to a large cast but the image that was posted in Gambit watch wasn't so bad.
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I guess I was expecting too much from Kelly to give Rogue any real morals or common sense of right and wrong, that she's grown past from being this naive... well, my mistake, I know better now. But according to Thompson, she's a flawed character, Mag is just complex and it's all canon, nothing she can do about it... but isn't it canon that the very first person Rogue ever slept with was Sentry? Is that going to be mention or will Kelly just cherry pick what she likes as canon and doesn't? I can see that the G&R fan base is a little annoyed by this, but don't really care, looks more like desperation.
But it wasn't just that, this was crammed with too many subplots, nearly everyone is a Looney Tunes cartoon character and the artwork is just not good.
I'll just read this series off one of those websites where you can read comics for free, this isn't going to get anymore of my money, I won't even waste space on my computer to save the images.
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KT claims to respect continuity, and to be fair, she does it for the most part but she also chooses what to use. That's the primary reason I absolutely hate that cameo. While it is canon, it is also optional. He didn't need to be there at all. She also (re)established that Rogue's first time was in Antarctica. To be honest, though, that Sentry retcon was such a fiasco. It was only implied and made so little sense that can be easily dismissed.
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KT is like any other writer. She only uses the continuity that suits the story she wants to tell. Only guillable people fall for writers claiming they have to respect continuity.
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As for picking and choosing goes, she might have done herself a favor and left Magneto out of the picture. It wasn't well received with Carey and its not well received now.
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KT is like any other writer. She only uses the continuity that suits the story she wants to tell. Only guillable people fall for writers claiming they have to respect continuity.
She hasn’t omitted nor distorted continuity for self-fulfillment like Carey did.
As for picking and choosing goes, she might have done herself a favor and left Magneto out of the picture. It wasn't well received with Carey and its not well received now.
Exactly. There were a thousand ways that Rogue scene could’ve played out, she could’ve talked to anyone. The only purpose Magneto’s presence served was triggering the fans.
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JUST got around to reading MMX6. With the new hours/location and writing I can't get to my lcs on Wednesdays. Let me catch up, haven't read a bit of the thread yet... But I will say this was one of my more favorite issues. Even though it was filler, it's one of the most engaging in between chapters I've read of a run. The art did it's job and fit the vibe. Absolutely loved the interactions between the Exs. I'm pretty sure what some folk may not have liked in this but I don't have much at all to complain about here.
Into the thread, I go!
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Ah @&#& guys. C'mon, man... This was hands down one of the better written issues in the series. I was as annoyed as anyone else with Gambit-spear, but we just going to hold onto that? Gambit never finished a single fight in all of Asmus' run, but we don't stamp our feet in the ground and do this.
Hey, each his own and all that. I didn't see a huge problem here. KT used a pre established trope (good or bad) to wrap up what would have otherwise been a lengthy conflict while setting up another arc. It was done well. If we can't accept that powerwise Rogue is and has always been in a different league than Gambit (by choice mind you) then we aren't any better than those Rogue nuts over at CBR. I don't even post there anymore.
Buck up.
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Pretty good for a stand alone story. Was anticipating more banter with the party. Been six years since Gambit has been "king" of Thieves guild. Will be cool to finally have a story about it.
Magneto scene didn't bother me at all. Magneto showed up on his own accord at that moment. Rogue wanted to speak to Magneto about the wedding to close the book officially on her romantic feelings for Mags.
. If this was a pro Roguneto scene. The scene would have played out differently. Another writer could bring it back, but it will be pretty unbelievable.
This is the best X-book going in 2018!
Oh and Gambit in the latest issue of Red is basically how I would like him to be utilized. He was wallpaper for most of the run, sure he didn't have the biggest role, but being effective and making a difference is a start.
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As for picking and choosing goes, she might have done herself a favor and left Magneto out of the picture. It wasn't well received with Carey and its not well received now.
see problem is Rogue/Magneto fans were asking her about him appearing in the book same as Gambit fans were asking about the guilds reaction to his marriage, while we Gambit fans didn't like it there are other fans out there who were asking for that meeting
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I'm something of a continuity junky. It happened, and if she ignored it because some people hated it (me included) it'd make her less of a writer in my opinion. If it happened, it happened. This wasnt Rogue and Magneto pinning for one another it was a woman apologizing to a friend for the way he must have heard the news. Should have been pretty sudden. I wish we could have seen the reaction actually lol.
I've been there. But on the other side. I didn't tell a friend of mine that I had started dating someone else and it hurt her. I also had a ex text me a picture of her new engagement ring, just to make sure she told me first because we broke up but we were still close. It's not that unheard of.
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Just a while ago, I recall us debating being in the same room with ex's and how awkward we would feel but now all of a sudden it is ok for Rogue to be sneaking around with her ex? I seriously doubt anyone here would be cool with their wife/husband doing what Rogue did here. Imagine if someone had caught them and blabbed to Gambit and his new wife is upstairs talking to Mags and then he finds out she specifically invited him there. SMH!
Further, KT's premise here is bulls***. The canon is Rogue f***ed Mag's brains out shortly after the harbor speech and for years she had yet to directly apologize to Gambit for it or apologized for how he might have found out about it. Someone respecting continuity may have wondered how it would look that Rogue refused for years to even discuss Magneto with Gambit on panel but is inviting Mags to apologize but alas disrespecting Gambit is the norm now so no one bats an eye.
I love how much she respects Mags ie a dude she was with for a few months while she completely disrespects Gambit ie a guy who stood by her for years by not even discussing with him her relationship with Mags. Instead we got a few s***ty thought bubbles in the mini and a blanket apology years after the fact.
"But oh no, Mags must be hurting having to hear about my marriage, let me go sneak out of my party and go tell the cold bolded murderer I am sorry while spilling personal details I won't share with my husband."
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Ah @&#& guys. C'mon, man... This was hands down one of the better written issues in the series. I was as annoyed as anyone else with Gambit-spear, but we just going to hold onto that? Gambit never finished a single fight in all of Asmus' run, but we don't stamp our feet in the ground and do this.
Hey, each his own and all that. I didn't see a huge problem here. KT used a pre established trope (good or bad) to wrap up what would have otherwise been a lengthy conflict while setting up another arc. It was done well. If we can't accept that powerwise Rogue is and has always been in a different league than Gambit (by choice mind you) then we aren't any better than those Rogue nuts over at CBR. I don't even post there anymore.
Buck up.
KT is the writer. She can write any scene that she wanted. The conflict could have been written for Gambit to end it but she wrote it for Rogue to end it. Just like Rogue ends everything of importance in KT's writing. Going all the way back to the mini when the villain was obviously created for Rogue and Rogue alone to work through her issues and she ended it there as well.
Rogue will always be the one to end it because KT will specifically write the story in a way for her to end it. That is the point.
I've been there. But on the other side. I didn't tell a friend of mine that I had started dating someone else and it hurt her. I also had a ex text me a picture of her new engagement ring, just to make sure she told me first because we broke up but we were still close. It's not that unheard of.
Did you then go around your current GF's back and meet with your ex to apologize?
Did your ex invite you to the engagement party then sneak out and meet you upstairs alone?
If not then your situations are not comparable. I would have no problem with my GF wanting to tell her ex about us. I would be livid if she went behind my back to do it. I would also be livid if I found out she shared details that she should be sharing with me. Finally, I would probably break up with her if she went out of her way to apologize to a dude when she refused to apologize to me for f***ing that same dude like 30 minutes before I pledged my eternal love to her. That is simply not someone you can fully trust. She makes accommodations for another dude that she never made for me. Nah homie don't play that.
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Still didn’t like the scene but she wasn’t exactly sneaking around. She invited him to the party, with everyone and didn’t sneak out to meet him. He showed up right after she dropped those guys in the river and was trying to ‘calm down’
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Man, I really gotta read this so I can get in on the debate!! >:D
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Still didn’t like the scene but she wasn’t exactly sneaking around. She invited him to the party, with everyone and didn’t sneak out to meet him. He showed up right after she dropped those guys in the river and was trying to ‘calm down’
Yeah i got the impression she invited him to the party they just happened to meet outside because she was all messed up from using her powers, if that hadnt have happened Mags probably would have shown up at the part and that would have been a way better scene
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Still didn’t like the scene but she wasn’t exactly sneaking around. She invited him to the party, with everyone and didn’t sneak out to meet him. He showed up right after she dropped those guys in the river and was trying to ‘calm down’
There is no indication she told Gambit about it so yeah she was sneaking around. You don't think it would be important for KT to make it clear Gambit knew and approved?
But then again that would require KT focus on Gambit which would take panel time away from Mary Sue Rogue.
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Yeah i got the impression she invited him to the party they just happened to meet outside because she was all messed up from using her powers, if that hadnt have happened Mags probably would have shown up at the part and that would have been a way better scene
Yeah so why didnt she do that? Because she wanted Dear Rogue to have a private moment where she confides in her mutant terrorist ex boyfriend in a way she never did when she was banging Mags while Gambit was on the same team.
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This book is a Rogue solo. The writer doesn't seem to care all that much for Gambit, other than being a love interest/hubby for Rogue. If you are a Rogue/romy fan, all good. No content needed for Gambit.
Using his powers well isn't content. He doesn't even save the day. It's literally all about Rogue. I don't do this hobby for her.
This is a problem for a hard core Gambit fan. And a reason I'm not happy with the hobby.
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possible spoiler thought
i dont know how to do the black highlight thing
At the end of 6 rogue wanted to tlak to Remy and he was like maybe another night
is rogue pregnant?
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possible spoiler thought
i dont know how to do the black highlight thing
At the end of 6 rogue wanted to tlak to Remy and he was like maybe another night
is rogue pregnant?
I think just a talk about her powers. Nothing more.
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KT is the writer. She can write any scene that she wanted. The conflict could have been written for Gambit to end it but she wrote it for Rogue to end it. Just like Rogue ends everything of importance in KT's writing. Going all the way back to the mini when the villain was obviously created for Rogue and Rogue alone to work through her issues and she ended it there as well.
Rogue will always be the one to end it because KT will specifically write the story in a way for her to end it. That is the point.
Did you then go around your current GF's back and meet with your ex to apologize?
Did your ex invite you to the engagement party then sneak out and meet you upstairs alone?
If not then your situations are not comparable. I would have no problem with my GF wanting to tell her ex about us. I would be livid if she went behind my back to do it. I would also be livid if I found out she shared details that she should be sharing with me. Finally, I would probably break up with her if she went out of her way to apologize to a dude when she refused to apologize to me for f***ing that same dude like 30 minutes before I pledged my eternal love to her. That is simply not someone you can fully trust. She makes accommodations for another dude that she never made for me. Nah homie don't play that.
yeah... I'm not defending the actions of a fictional character? I'm talking about the quality of the writing. I think it was a good read. Hell, no I wouldn't be ok with my wife doing something behind my back just as much as wouldn't be with me doing the same. You took this somewhere I wasn't going, or care to go. I was comparing her motivations, something I can relate to, I wasn't justifying her actions. If Gambit finds outs, I think he has every right to be pissed. You don't hide things from your spouse. But if he doesnt share his conversation with Rogue, same thing. Might want to go argue the virtues of Ann Marie with those nuts on CBR LOL, I'm not going to do that ;). You seem bent on disliking it. That's cool. I liked this issue better than the last one for sure. I think it was good. No Gambit-khabab!
But, I like flawed characters. I love seeing characters make mistakes. From a character standpoint, Gambit didn't really come out any different. Did he invite Bell? I dont remember, but if he did, it was to the party, not how Rogue flew a half mile into the air to meet Magneto, it obvious because she knows he wouldn't be welcome. That meeting was in secret, which in my opinion was a mistake and violation of trust. I personally would love to see the opposites meet, but they write Gambit so self-deprecating, I fear it would annoy me.
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Yeah so why didnt she do that? Because she wanted Dear Rogue to have a private moment where she confides in her mutant terrorist ex boyfriend in a way she never did when she was banging Mags while Gambit was on the same team.
They met at a moment when she happened to be outside, if she was inside he would have shown up there which would have been more inetersting give his status quo , i dont think she was sneaking around , and she was going to tell Remy but he asked her to hold off, they had literally gotten rid of the last guests and it wasnt something she would bring up in front of people, its not going to have a good reaction, if anything Magneto appearance seems forced
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I think just a talk about her powers. Nothing more.
Hey now, what if the reason for powers wigging out is because she's pregnant? She's not, and I dont want it, way too soon to deal with that drama, and I dont think people get pregnant that fast to begin with. They've been married, what 48hrs, maybe 3 days?
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They met at a moment when she happened to be outside, if she was inside he would have shown up there which would have been more inetersting give his status quo , i dont think she was sneaking around , and she was going to tell Remy but he asked her to hold off, they had literally gotten rid of the last guests and it wasnt something she would bring up in front of people, its not going to have a good reaction, if anything Magneto appearance seems forced
I actually think that would have made for a more interesting scene instead of the CW "everyone give us room" kind of thing we got instead. It's the X-Men, give me the drama!
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yeah... I'm not defending the actions of a fictional character? I'm talking about the quality of the writing. I think it was a good read. Hell, no I wouldn't be ok with my wife doing something behind my back just as much as wouldn't be with me doing the same. You took this somewhere I wasn't going, or care to go. I was comparing her motivations, something I can relate to, I wasn't justifying her actions. If Gambit finds outs, I think he has every right to be pissed. You don't hide things from your spouse. But if he doesnt share his conversation with Rogue, same thing. Might want to go argue the virtues of Ann Marie with those nuts on CBR LOL, I'm not going to do that ;) . You seem bent on disliking it. That's cool. I liked this issue better than the last one for sure. I think it was good. No Gambit-khabab!
But, I like flawed characters. I love seeing characters make mistakes. From a character standpoint, Gambit didn't really come out any different. Did he invite Bell? I dont remember, but if he did, it was to the party, not how Rogue flew a half mile into the air to meet Magneto, it obvious because she knows he wouldn't be welcome. That meeting was in secret, which in my opinion was a mistake and violation of trust. I personally would love to see the opposites meet, but they write Gambit so self-deprecating, I fear it would annoy me.
Gambit didnt invite Bella, she showed up unannounced so not the same thing at all.
11 issues in and Gambit still carrying all the baggage. Rogue has done nothing except run away anytime things get tough to the point Gambit felt the need to tell her he wont let her run.
And yet she still betrays him by inviting and then confiding in Mags. I am not commenting on the quality of writing. I am saying Rogue is a s***ty wife because she is.
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They met at a moment when she happened to be outside, if she was inside he would have shown up there which would have been more inetersting give his status quo , i dont think she was sneaking around , and she was going to tell Remy but he asked her to hold off, they had literally gotten rid of the last guests and it wasnt something she would bring up in front of people, its not going to have a good reaction, if anything Magneto appearance seems forced
Umm she is married. You dont tell your husband when your murderous ex is on the way. You tell him and discuss whatever issues he may or may not have with it before extending the invite.
So yes she was sneaking around. There is no scene in the book where she lets Gambit know befote inviting Mags. They could have discussed it when they were working on the invites. Instead she knowingly went behind his back to invite him.
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Umm she is married. You dont tell your husband when your murderous ex is on the way. You tell him and discuss whatever issues he may or may not have with it before extending the invite.
So yes she was sneaking around. There is no scene in the book where she lets Gambit know befote inviting Mags. They could have discussed it when they were working on the invites. Instead she knowingly went behind his back to invite him.
if Magneto was invited as he stated im sure Gambit was aware of the invitation , your whole basis of her sneaking around is that fact they met outside away from the party and in the comic book world the only reason Rogue met with Magneto outside is because he was on the way to the Party while she happened to be outside, it was not a secrete meeting, she did not sneak off to meet with Magneto, they are out in the open, look at her body language in the panels she is curled up in the fettle position, thats not something you do if your sneaking about.
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Gambit didnt invite Bella, she showed up unannounced so not the same thing at all.
11 issues in and Gambit still carrying all the baggage. Rogue has done nothing except run away anytime things get tough to the point Gambit felt the need to tell her he wont let her run.
And yet she still betrays him by inviting and then confiding in Mags. I am not commenting on the quality of writing. I am saying Rogue is a s***ty wife because she is.
Seeing as we aren't talking about the same thing, I'm kind of lost on the point of reiterating all this stuff that I know lol. One thing, what "baggage" are you referring to with Gambit?
Personally, I would love if someone would address the last issue of Asmus' run with his brain possibly being rewired. I really can't wait for the Guild arc. A story idea right out of my own head.
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if Magneto was invited as he stated im sure Gambit was aware of the invitation , your whole basis of her sneaking around is that fact they met outside away from the party and in the comic book world the only reason Rogue met with Magneto outside is because he was on the way to the Party while she happened to be outside, it was not a secrete meeting, she did not sneak off to meet with Magneto, they are out in the open, look at her body language in the panels she is curled up in the fettle position, thats not something you do if your sneaking about.
Nothing in the book says Gambit was aware of the invitation. That is an assumption being made by you to justify your narrative. All that is in the comics is the fact it is clear Bella was not invited and Magneto was. If the writer wanted us to believe Gambit agreed to Mags getting an invite then it would have been simple for it to be said. It was not.
If we are going to just blindly speculate then it is just as likely that Magneto waited for her to be alone before he approached her. That is no less speculation than you claiming Gambit knew about the invite.
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Seeing as we aren't talking about the same thing, I'm kind of lost on the point of reiterating all this stuff that I know lol. One thing, what "baggage" are you referring to with Gambit?
Personally, I would love if someone would address the last issue of Asmus' run with his brain possibly being rewired. I really can't wait for the Guild arc. A story idea right out of my own head.
The baggage comment was about the fact Rogue does nothing to support this relationship. This entire relationship is currently based on Gambit wanting to be with Rogue no matter what and Rogue wanting to be with Gambit only when it is easy. She has done nothing to reassure Gambit about anything. It is always him having to reassure her. It is always about what Gambit can do to keep Rogue from bailing. Never what Rogue can do to support Gambit.
The other annoying thing about this is that the mini was based around Rogue's feelings already. I thought the whole point about the mini was for Rogue to get over her baggage but here we are again with it being all about Rogue. KT went so far as to f*** with Rogue's powers just so we can get Rogue whining about them again. I honestly don't know how everyone is not already tired of the same Rogue story repackaged. Her character has become redundant caught in this perpetual cycle of never being sure about who she wants to be with and/or her powers.
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Nothing in the book says Gambit was aware of the invitation. That is an assumption being made by you to justify your narrative. All that is in the comics is the fact it is clear Bella was not invited and Magneto was. If the writer wanted us to believe Gambit agreed to Mags getting an invite then it would have been simple for it to be said. It was not.
If we are going to just blindly speculate then it is just as likely that Magneto waited for her to be alone before he approached her. That is no less speculation than you claiming Gambit knew about the invite.
Well going but that logic of yours, Nothing in the book says that he wasn't aware either, s*** happens off panel, when the x-men arrived did we assume that they were not invited or asked to come because there was no mention of their own invitation, no, because we as readers we know the invites were made off panel, Magneto says he was asked there by Rogue . Just because it was not stated on panel doesn't mean that Remy didn't know or he may not of known but it would have been all kinds of awkward if Mags had shown up without Remy knowing.
There is no speculation about the pairs meeting, its fact of how it happened in the book, she was down and spent after the fight, look at how she is drawn in that scene, that is not the depiction of someone sneaking around, hell all Gambit or any of the X-Men would have to to is look up and they would have seen them, its not the actions of two people sneaking around. Also Magneto wonders if she lured him there as in to fight/trap him for being on the dark side again, again not the actions of two people sneaking around,
if your sneaking around with an ex you dont do it out in the open and you dont invite him to your new home where your husband and you are throwing a party , you dont invite them anywhere near that.As i keep saying im not a fan of Rogue, Romy or the marriage i want him far away from her and it would suit my narrative if she was sneaking around id be on your bandwagon, id want the marriage over (kinda already do) , we are not the only fans invested in this and there are Rogue and Magneto fans or just Rogue fans who wanted that meeting to happen, the conversation was total BS, like Magneto the dude who put Gambit on trial is suddenly all knowing when it comes to his feelings, that's worth getting annoyed over, there is plenty wrong with this book, and plenty of evidence that this marriage is doomed, but Rogue did not sneak around
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On a funnier topic...
Hey now, what if the reason for powers wigging out is because she's pregnant? She's not, and I dont want it, way too soon to deal with that drama, and I dont think people get pregnant that fast to begin with. They've been married, what 48hrs, maybe 3 days?
I think it’s probably been about a couple weeks. Depends on how long they were in space before kitty called , if they stayed in space a little while longer after the mission, to try and salvage some of their vacation, lol) and how long it was before the party. But that would still be long enough, technically, ‘48 hours’ would be long enough, lol. But probably not, I do agree with that, it would be too soon, story wise.
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Well going but that logic of yours, Nothing in the book says that he wasn't aware either, s*** happens off panel, when the x-men arrived did we assume that they were not invited or asked to come because there was no mention of their own invitation, no, because we as readers we know the invites were made off panel, Magneto says he was asked there by Rogue . Just because it was not stated on panel doesn't mean that Remy didn't know or he may not of known but it would have been all kinds of awkward if Mags had shown up without Remy knowing.
There is no speculation about the pairs meeting, its fact of how it happened in the book, she was down and spent after the fight, look at how she is drawn in that scene, that is not the depiction of someone sneaking around, hell all Gambit or any of the X-Men would have to to is look up and they would have seen them, its not the actions of two people sneaking around. Also Magneto wonders if she lured him there as in to fight/trap him for being on the dark side again, again not the actions of two people sneaking around,
if your sneaking around with an ex you dont do it out in the open and you dont invite him to your new home where your husband and you are throwing a party , you dont invite them anywhere near that.As i keep saying im not a fan of Rogue, Romy or the marriage i want him far away from her and it would suit my narrative if she was sneaking around id be on your bandwagon, id want the marriage over (kinda already do) , we are not the only fans invested in this and there are Rogue and Magneto fans or just Rogue fans who wanted that meeting to happen, the conversation was total BS, like Magneto the dude who put Gambit on trial is suddenly all knowing when it comes to his feelings, that's worth getting annoyed over, there is plenty wrong with this book, and plenty of evidence that this marriage is doomed, but Rogue did not sneak around
Sure there is nothing that says he wasn't aware but given the history between the characters, I think if the intent was for us to believe Gambit was aware then that should be stated on panel. If I go to a coffee shop with my ex and don't tell my wife then I am sneaking around even though I met her out in the open for everyone at the coffee shop to see because the sneaking around comes from neglecting to inform my wife not from the time and place I chose to meet them. Further, who allows their wife to meet their murderous ex but then doesn't ask about it?
Now maybe KT will address this in later issues where it is revealed Gambit knew or Gambit asks her how it went but until then, I am left to conclude that Gambit did not know and Mags simply waited until Rogue was alone to approach her. I suppose the other alternative is that KT is so focused on Rogue that she doesn't give a s*** about writing Gambit's reaction to Rogue wanting to invite Mags or his asking her how it went but if that is the case then not sure as a Gambit fan why I should accept that. Am I not suppose to want to know how Gambit feels about Rogue and Mags rendezvous particularly since she chose to invite him to apologize while never showing such concern for Gambit all while she was screwing Mags?
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Sure there is nothing that says he wasn't aware but given the history between the characters, I think if the intent was for us to believe Gambit was aware then that should be stated on panel. If I go to a coffee shop with my ex and don't tell my wife then I am sneaking around even though I met her out in the open for everyone at the coffee shop to see because the sneaking around comes from neglecting to inform my wife not from the time and place I chose to meet them. Further, who allows their wife to meet their murderous ex but then doesn't ask about it?
Now maybe KT will address this in later issues where it is revealed Gambit knew or Gambit asks her how it went but until then, I am left to conclude that Gambit did not know and Mags simply waited until Rogue was alone to approach her. I suppose the other alternative is that KT is so focused on Rogue that she doesn't give a s*** about writing Gambit's reaction to Rogue wanting to invite Mags or his asking her how it went but if that is the case then not sure as a Gambit fan why I should accept that. Am I not suppose to want to know how Gambit feels about Rogue and Mags rendezvous particularly since she chose to invite him to apologize while never showing such concern for Gambit all while she was screwing Mags?
and you accused me of making an assumption to justify my narrative, you are coming to a conclusion based on your biased opinion, i on the other hand am simply going by the evidence in front of me on panel, i am not saying Gambit 100% knows, he might do, i assume he would if Mags was invited to the party, im willing to admit i could be wrong and Remy doesn't know. We wont know his response either because when Rogue told him they need to talk he wanted to table the conversation. Gambit knowing or not doesn't make the encounter a sneaky one, going by the art work and the location of Mags and Rogue's meeting being out in the open where anyone could see them, i dont think they were sneaking around like you make out, meeting an ex in a coffee shop where a bunch of strangers can see you is probably a bit sneaky, meeting an ex while curled in the fetal position hovering above you apartment in the sky for all your friends and husband too see is not sneaking around, who are they hiding from?
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But that's the thing isnt? You and I would care, but would Gambit? He's never shown animosity towards Magneto except that wonderful page where Gambit got momentarily inverted and went off on his rant while fighting Polaris. He did seem to have an issue with Joseph BEFORE the trial. Man, I'd love to see Gambit drop the self loathing thing be real, even it's just for a moment. At the same time, I don't think Magneto has much issue with him either. It's not like they ever openly competed for her.
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and you accused me of making an assumption to justify my narrative, you are coming to a conclusion based on your biased opinion, i on the other hand am simply going by the evidence in front of me on panel, i am not saying Gambit 100% knows, he might do, i assume he would if Mags was invited to the party, im willing to admit i could be wrong and Remy doesn't know. We wont know his response either because when Rogue told him they need to talk he wanted to table the conversation. Gambit knowing or not doesn't make the encounter a sneaky one, going by the art work and the location of Mags and Rogue's meeting being out in the open where anyone could see them, i dont think they were sneaking around like you make out, meeting an ex in a coffee shop where a bunch of strangers can see you is probably a bit sneaky, meeting an ex while curled in the fetal position hovering above you apartment in the sky for all your friends and husband too see is not sneaking around, who are they hiding from?
From what I can tell from the exchange and where they ultimately met, I don't think this was done above board. I don't think she told him to come to party, just come. And they were pretty high. Probably high enough for anyone without super vision wouldn't be able to see them by accident. I don't think whether or not it was a secret or not is in question (think it was), I think it's the implications and ramifications of it that should be focused on. Just my opinion.
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Can't we all just get along!?
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From what I can tell from the exchange and where they ultimately met, I don't think this was done above board. I don't think she told him to come to party, just come. And they were pretty high. Probably high enough for anyone without super vision wouldn't be able to see them by accident. I don't think whether or not it was a secret or not is in question (think it was), I think it's the implications and ramifications of it that should be focused on. Just my opinion.
its not the right or wrong or the implications or ramifications, its weather she was sneaking around with Magneto, they weren't that high up from the roof tops look at the background, anyone could see them if they wanted , again i stated the whole thing is BS but imo she wasnt sneaking around, when she tells Gambit it will be interesting to see his reaction and it will reveal weather he knew of the invite or not but i still don't see it as sneaking around when you could be caught so easily
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and you accused me of making an assumption to justify my narrative, you are coming to a conclusion based on your biased opinion, i on the other hand am simply going by the evidence in front of me on panel, i am not saying Gambit 100% knows, he might do, i assume he would if Mags was invited to the party, im willing to admit i could be wrong and Remy doesn't know. We wont know his response either because when Rogue told him they need to talk he wanted to table the conversation. Gambit knowing or not doesn't make the encounter a sneaky one, going by the art work and the location of Mags and Rogue's meeting being out in the open where anyone could see them, i dont think they were sneaking around like you make out, meeting an ex in a coffee shop where a bunch of strangers can see you is probably a bit sneaky, meeting an ex while curled in the fetal position hovering above you apartment in the sky for all your friends and husband too see is not sneaking around, who are they hiding from?
The onus is on you prove a positive ie that he knew rather than me prove a negative ie that he doesnt know. Or do you expect me to also prove that Prof X doesnt know as it is not stated in the comic he doesn't know?
Everything in the comic is set up for Rogue and Mags to be having a private convo. The skylight doesnt cover the whole roof so they are not there for all to see. No one goes on a roof and walks all over the skylight and Gambit was running on concrete when he jumped off roof so obvious skylight is only over a part of roof.
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But that's the thing isnt? You and I would care, but would Gambit? He's never shown animosity towards Magneto except that wonderful page where Gambit got momentarily inverted and went off on his rant while fighting Polaris. He did seem to have an issue with Joseph BEFORE the trial. Man, I'd love to see Gambit drop the self loathing thing be real, even it's just for a moment. At the same time, I don't think Magneto has much issue with him either. It's not like they ever openly competed for her.
Just because writers write him as having no self respect and dignity when it comes to Rogue and her having a different set of rules for her beloved Mags doesnt mean I have to accept it.
Again she spent years not giving a s*** about Gambit's reaction to Rogneto but goes out of her way to tell Mags about Gambit?
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The onus is on you prove a positive ie that he knew rather than me prove a negative ie that he doesnt know. Or do you expect me to also prove that Prof X doesnt know as it is not stated in the comic he doesn't know?
Everything in the comic is set up for Rogue and Mags to be having a private convo. The skylight doesnt cover the whole roof so they are not there for all to see. No one goes on a roof and walks all over the skylight and Gambit was running on concrete when he jumped off roof so obvious skylight is only over a part of roof.
i get the onus thing, so what if it is revealed in the comic that Gambit is aware of the invite, did i just make a lucky guess?
there is a door to the roof from Remys apartment, so he has access to the roof at all times , he also told someone that Rogue went out for air, so she either went to the roof or street, anyone else in the party looking to get air could either go to the roof or street , given its just a few steps i think they would use the roof, more importantly Gambit knows Rogue has gone for air, Rogue doesn't know if or when he is going to go out to her , he could pop up at any point,
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i get the onus thing, so what if it is revealed in the comic that Gambit is aware of the invite, did i just make a lucky guess?
there is a door to the roof from Remys apartment, so he has access to the roof at all times , he also told someone that Rogue went out for air, so she either went to the roof or street, anyone else in the party looking to get air could either go to the roof or street , given its just a few steps i think they would use the roof, more importantly Gambit knows Rogue has gone for air, Rogue doesn't know if or when he is going to go out to her , he could pop up at any point,
Depends. Mayne you did or maybe KT writes it in after the fact ala Carey to take some heat off Rogue.
None of which changes the fact they end up alone so not sure your point. Rogue's entire premise for wanting to talk to Mags is stupid so if we accept she has already one stupid thing here then not sure why I can't accept she wrote another stupid thing.
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Depends. Mayne you did or maybe KT writes it in after the fact ala Carey to take some heat off Rogue.
None of which changes the fact they end up alone so not sure your point. Rogue's entire premise for wanting to talk to Mags is stupid so if we accept she has already one stupid thing here then not sure why I can't accept she wrote another stupid thing.
My only point in it all is that she wasn't sneaking around with Mags, Oh the entire premise is stupid i agree and the conversation is total bs Rogue apologizing to Mags is ludicrous and Mags acting like he knows how Remy feels is stupid, the book has its flaws dude im not blind to them but i like her Gambit so far and i am so happy she hasn't given him the focus she did Rogue, that's terrible character work , and her dialog is so forced where as remys is more natural/believable
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Can't we all just get along!?
Trying but uh... Pitch forks and fantasy rage and all that.
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I guess nobody wanted to switch to the funnier topic... :D
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Oh I tried that a long time ago. IMO there is only one enemy worse raging against and thats Captain America... And the cats.
People complain about characterization but oh nevermind... carry on.
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My only point in it all is that she wasn't sneaking around with Mags, Oh the entire premise is stupid i agree and the conversation is total bs Rogue apologizing to Mags is ludicrous and Mags acting like he knows how Remy feels is stupid, the book has its flaws dude im not blind to them but i like her Gambit so far and i am so happy she hasn't given him the focus she did Rogue, that's terrible character work , and her dialog is so forced where as remys is more natural/believable
We will have to just agree to disagree. I don't think she told Gambit so for me she is sneaking. It is something that 100% should be discussed on panel.
Her Gambit is one note and that note is Rogue. I get your point about the terrible character work but it at least shows KT has an interest in Rogue. She has zero interest in developing Gambit beyond his connection to Rogue. He is just Rogue's preferred Johnson who can jump around and look cool against nobodies.
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Can't we all just get along!?
Eh disagreeing about fictional character portrayals doesnt mean we don't get along. I respect all these guys and gals despite them being 100% wrong on this point ;D
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Why is marvel so quick in
Series to horrible cartooning?