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Gambit => Gambit => Topic started by: purplevit on January 22, 2019, 02:49:58 PM
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Thanks Purplevit. Book should be out Feb 13th.
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Cool! Reminds me Johnny Cage's Nut Punch:)
So Gambit charged his kick?
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Definitely a cool action panel, I would love to see Gambit use his powers like this more often. I wonder what's going on with Spiral and Gambit in this issue. Also does anyone know if Gambit's ever used his power like this in the past? I can't remember if I've ever just seen him make someone blow up from just hitting them.
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I remeber when he charged his fist and told Miss Sinister that he will blow up her head:)
Also he kinda did this in Gambit 5 by Amus. He charged fists and made a big explosion and hole in floor.
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What are you guys seeing? Im seeing a single picture with wordless word balloons of gambit and spiral shaking hands. No actions scenes as described.
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There was a second pick of gambit punching spiral with energy/explosions around his fist. I couldn’t see the second either (but I say it on tumblr so knew what everyone was talking about)
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what did you just post nothing is showing up for me
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Won't show up on cell phones.
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any body got that twitter link?
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https://twitter.com/79SemiFinalist
That is KT's twitter and you can find the image there.
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Just links for last 2 pics that you can`t see for some reason
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Thanks, guys.
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Won't show up on cell phones.
I do remember seeing the same Robinhood Gambit look in X-men animated series.
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I do remember seeing the same Robinhood Gambit look in X-men animated series.
It was in Jubliee's fairy tale, when she was watching a bunch of kids and they got stuck in a cave.
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It was in Jubliee's fairy tale, when she was watching a bunch of kids and they got stuck in a cave.
You got it right. I just watched the episode and the look is picked straight from that episode.
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You got it right. I just watched the episode and the look is picked straight from that episode.
Animation of last season wasn't good.
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Animation of last season wasn't good.
Yeah it wasn't but I did enjoy some of the episodes.
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Yeah it wasn't but I did enjoy some of the episodes.
I think first season fo XTAS was the best for Gambit.
Second had some good episodes for him too.
Next season kinda didn`t have as good stories for him as first 2. But I may be wrong cause watched it a long time ago.
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I'm liking this look for Gambit, it makes him look badass and menacing. I know it's only temporary but it's a good look for Remy.
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You got it right. I just watched the episode and the look is picked straight from that episode.
Wow I had forgotten about the Gambit's beard in the last season of the XTAS. The animation quality may have dipped but it was still a good season. I miss XTAS
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Loved the nod to Dirty Dancing. I like when Gambit references movies.
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The preview is up for issue 8 and it is Longshot vs Gambit.
https://www.superherohype.com/comics/434995-exclusive-preview-mr-mrs-x-8-pits-gambit-against-longshot#/slide/1 (https://www.superherohype.com/comics/434995-exclusive-preview-mr-mrs-x-8-pits-gambit-against-longshot#/slide/1)
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The preview is up for issue 8 and it is Longshot vs Gambit.
https://www.superherohype.com/comics/434995-exclusive-preview-mr-mrs-x-8-pits-gambit-against-longshot#/slide/1 (https://www.superherohype.com/comics/434995-exclusive-preview-mr-mrs-x-8-pits-gambit-against-longshot#/slide/1)
Cool preview!
Loved that fight a lot :smitten:
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its very Princess Bride with the dialog delivery , looks fun
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I instantly thought of The Princess Bride as well. It does look cool. Wait and see how it'll turn out.
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Cool sequence there for Gambit ruined by the fact that he is fighting another dude for Rogue's affection. Dust hasn't even settled on the marriage and he has already had to compete for Rogue with Deadpool, Mags and now Longshot. Yawn! Wonder who Rogue will make out with next. Is Sentry or Human Torch available?
There is a great porn parody hidden in this story with all the paramours of Rogue that have already appeared in this comic.
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Cool sequence there for Gambit ruined by the fact that he is fighting another dude for Rogue's affection. Dust hasn't even settled on the marriage and he has already had to compete for Rogue with Deadpool, Mags and now Longshot. Yawn! Wonder who Rogue will make out with next. Is Sentry or Human Torch available?
There is a great porn parody hidden in this story with all the paramours of Rogue that have already appeared in this comic.
It's not un-noticed that it's a Rogue boyfriend tour ... while married to Gambit. All that matters is that Gambit is married to Rogue. Rogue can do whatever.
Does Gambit matter to her at all ... oh wait .. he doesn't.
When is enough a enough. How low can Gambit be demeaned so harshly at the expense of a story, because it had to be all about Rogue.
You know what ... How about Gambit having meaning .. oh wait ... we can't have that. It's all about Rogue.
I'm angry .. KT writes the worst Gambit and I don't want him married to a character who gives more s***s to other guys than the one who was suppose to be her "soulmate". Clearly he is not. My goodness ... do we have to re-live all of her crap. NO.
I'm annoyed, like it or don't. I've had enough.
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Cool sequence there for Gambit ruined by the fact that he is fighting another dude for Rogue's affection. Dust hasn't even settled on the marriage and he has already had to compete for Rogue with Deadpool, Mags and now Longshot. Yawn! Wonder who Rogue will make out with next. Is Sentry or Human Torch available?
why do you even read the previews or look at anything to do with this book? all you do is complain about it, and say stuff which is not true like i highlighted, to Compete for Rogue would suggest that Rogue was interested in the others and that Gambit was competing for her affection, which if you read the book is clear she isn't cause you know the whole marriage thing, they both give Deadpool hell (Rogue has no interest in him), Rogue chats with Mags which will come up (again she has no interest romantically with him), as for Longshot he's not an ex but someone she had a crush on, also its in the Mojoverse where everything is being manipulated and while Rogue is a damsel who needs rescuing, Gambit remains badass.
It's not un-noticed that it's a Rogue boyfriend tour ... while married to Gambit. All that matters is that Gambit is married to Rogue. Rogue can do whatever.
Does Gambit matter to her at all ... oh wait .. he doesn't.
When is enough a enough. How low can Gambit be demeaned so harshly at the expense of a story, because it had to be all about Rogue.
You know what ... How about Gambit having meaning .. oh wait ... we can't have that. It's all about Rogue.
I'm angry .. KT writes the worst Gambit and I don't want him married to a character who gives more s***s to other guys than the one who was suppose to be her "soulmate". Clearly he is not. My goodness ... do we have to re-live all of her crap. NO.
I'm annoyed, like it or don't. I've had enough.
ok so this is just.....
- Gambit has just as much panel time as Rogue while she gets more focus here character comes out of it worse than Gambit
- The whole boyfriend tour, Deadpool was just brought in to boost sales did he really do anything for the story other than show Rogue has no interest in him, he annoys them both and Gambit like blowing him up, Mags was a stupid move but its just a conversation, so thats 2 Ex boyfriends to Gambits 1 Ex wife......thats a crap ex boyfriend tour if you ask me.
- Rogue can do whatever? please elaborate i don't understand what your trying to say with this, what has she done?. How is Gambit being demeaned? seriously?
- As long as all the s*** stuff happens to Rogue you should be happy Gambit gets no "meaning"
- KT is not a good writer and the last point is your opinion about her Gambit although i'd say shes better than Austin,Milligan,Carey, Gage ,McNiven . How though has Rogue given more of a s*** to anyone over Gambit in the book? again Deadpool she's trying to get rid of or shut up, Mags she talks about being afraid of losing Remy and the preview shows that Mojo has created a love triangle, literally created it, so she has fake/ forced feelings for Longshot her old crush
im not a fan of the marriage, im not a fan of Mary Sue i mean Rogue but im not hating the book and it's really not how you two describe it to be. Not getting the Gambit you want is frustrating which is understandable, the writings not good i agree but the way you describe it is biased.
sorry to be a dick but you guys dont like the book, just don't read it, don't buy it stay away from previews, don't go on the thread, if this is how it makes you feel, sales are declining so the book wont last past 12 issues
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Dantay,
You don't find it odd that in a Romy book, 3 of Rogue's love interests have appeared? It is like KT has nothing interesting to say about Romy or Gambit beyond playing the relationship and Gambit off of Rogue's previous flings or crushes.
And the implication here is look how lucky Gambit is. Rogue can have any dude she wants but she chose him. I keep reading the previews because I keep waiting for a story about Romy or Gambit.
I already gave KT credit for Gambit being badass. The fight scene is great. The issue is the underlying pretext here is ultimately all about Rogue. This would be like a car dealership giving you a free cell phone to distract from the fact the actual car they sold you is s***. The Romy and Gambit development is s***. I am not fooled by KT dangling a good fight scene in front of me. Are you?
Finally I am a Gambit fan. I am not going to shut up. Sorry. You are free to just ignore my posts but people are free to say they dislike something just as much as you are free to say you like something. Not going to let KT's biased writing chase me away. I will see this through hopefully to its cancellation.
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Dantay,
You don't find it odd that in a Romy book, 3 of Rogue's love interests have appeared? It is like KT has nothing interesting to say about Romy or Gambit beyond playing thw relationship and Gambit off of Rogue's previous flings or crushes.
And the implication here is look how lucky Gambit is. Rogue can have any dude she wants but she chose him. I keep reading the previews because I keep waiting for a story about Romy or Gambit.
Finally, I already gave KT credit for Gambit being badass. The fight scene is great. The issue is the underlying pretext here is ultimately all about Rogue. Why should a Gambit fine want to see a story about Deadpool, Mags or Longshot? They have jack s*** to do with Gambit and.they are only there.because of Rogue.
we both just look at it differently, Deadpool to me was funny but also soooo shoehorned in just for sales, the Mags thing was the more i look back very odd, more his voice which is the writing , like him saying how Remy feels about her. Like this dude put him on trial, but i blame Carey moreso for that than anything else, im still waiting for it to play out, and i know it was fan service as she had been asked to have the two meet at some point by Rogueneto fans. Longshot was a crush and its mojo so it doesnt really get a reaction either way for me. I'm just happ she is focusing on rogue more due to how crappy Rogue is coming off this book is so negative for her , like theres no evolution for the character, she is stuck in an endless cycle, of boo who i cant touch, when ever a writer tries to "fix" her they or some-other writer will set her back to factory settings only this time KT has made her op and worse off. Gambit has been the same for years now although he is getting better moments as in Red and in this book, all he has are moments otherwise he is the same which is better than Rogue. Its not ideal but its way better than what we had, It will be interesting in the next arc with the Guilds to see what happens
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I think you are debating from an in story perspective whereas I am debating from a meta perspective. KT could have written any story she wanted but chose to focus her story on Rogue and her relationships. This is not Mr and Mrs Smith. This is Mrs Smith and all her loves.
I believe KT once said she actually was a fan of multiple Rogue ships with Romy being her favorite and this reads like a 15 year old girl's fanfic where all the boys are after the lead female because she is so great. If this were manga, this would be in the shojo section ie manga catered to a female audience as the storyline here is very similar to storylines in shojo.
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I think you are debating from an in story perspective whereas I am debating from a meta perspective. KT could have written any story she wanted but chose to focus her story on Rogue and her relationships. This is not Mr and Mrs Smith. This is Mrs Smith and all her loves.
I believe KT once said she actually was a fan of multiple Rogue ships with Romy being her favorite and this reads like a 15 year old girl's fanfic where all the boys are after the lead female because she is so great. If this were manga, this would be in the shojo section ie manga catered to a female audience as the storyline here is very similar to storylines in shojo.
She favours Rogue for sure and i really wish she didnt have them marry, cause it was so fast given they have 20+ year history, one mini to fix their problems doesnt make it ok for them to marry and it will not end well, sorry ranting there
the whole lovers thing though, Deadpool was just a kiss which nothing really came from, Mags yes was a lover but Longshot was a crush/flit for her (which im not 100% on its before my time, just from what i read).
Bella showed up for Remy (which was done so much better) and really for him who else is there ? he has kissed Polaris & Storm so they would be Deadpool equivalent, he has'nt had any lovers apart from Bella, and in continuity since Rogue he has only had one night stands with Lili Penrose (shes not showing up ,also think he cheated on Rogue that time) Angela Snow (she's out) Sister Katrina (she's out) then theres the "may have slept with" people, Joelle (she dead) and Mystique (he didn't, we'd know for sure by now) then theres the coulda happened and did in a weird timeline Marrow, oh also Candra but none of them showing up would make sense , whereas Rogues past is more recent.
On a side note i cant really comment but are the Ladies here happy with Rogue's portrayal at all, are her fans happy with it?
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Hard to tell if Rogue's fans are happy. There are some who aren't but I have to base that on the newly created Rogue thread at the other place.
I do know I'm not the only female who isn't thrilled with this book.
The only complaints I'm seeing is the power issue. And the making fun of Gambit fans because its so more important for the power issue to cleared up than Gambit having any story. *shrug*
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I find it ironic (and kind of amusing) that the only people Ive seen who have issues with a Rogue and Gambit book are Rogue and Gambit fans. Everyone else who is reading and reviewing the books seem to be loving it.
Edited to say: please don't take this as a personal attack. Just an observation from a very small sample size of the books consumers.
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She favours Rogue for sure and i really wish she didnt have them marry, cause it was so fast given they have 20+ year history, one mini to fix their problems doesnt make it ok for them to marry and it will not end well, sorry ranting there
the whole lovers thing though, Deadpool was just a kiss which nothing really came from, Mags yes was a lover but Longshot was a crush/flit for her (which im not 100% on its before my time, just from what i read).
Bella showed up for Remy (which was done so much better) and really for him who else is there ? he has kissed Polaris & Storm so they would be Deadpool equivalent, he has'nt had any lovers apart from Bella, and in continuity since Rogue he has only had one night stands with Lili Penrose (shes not showing up ,also think he cheated on Rogue that time) Angela Snow (she's out) Sister Katrina (she's out) then theres the "may have slept with" people, Joelle (she dead) and Mystique (he didn't, we'd know for sure by now) then theres the coulda happened and did in a weird timeline Marrow, oh also Candra but none of them showing up would make sense , whereas Rogues past is more recent.
On a side note i cant really comment but are the Ladies here happy with Rogue's portrayal at all, are her fans happy with it?
But why do former lover interests or crushes have to show up qt all? I am not asking that Gambit's former lovers show up. I am saying the panel time would have been better spent on their relationship not past flings.
We are 8 issues in and still no closer to any meaningful Romy development. I do not think people bought the book for Deadpool, Bella, Mags or Longshot. It is all one big sleight of hand to distract from the fact KT' apparently doesn't know what to do with Romy.
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But why do former lover interests or crushes have to show up qt all? I am not asking that Gambit's former lovers show up. I am saying the panel time would have been better spent on their relationship not past flings.
We are 8 issues in and still no closer to any meaningful Romy development. I do not think people bought the book for Deadpool, Bella, Mags or Longshot. It is all one big sleight of hand to distract from the fact KT' apparently doesn't know what to do with Romy.
agree with Bella and Mags but people definitely bought for Deadpool, as for Longshot he's part of Mojo world he was bound to show up, i think the story is trying to stop them from spending time on their relationship , like when they return from space theres that awkward moment before they decide to throw a party, unfortunately fans who don't like the direction the story is taking is at the mercy of the writer and this seems to be the story KT wants to tell, next arc is supposed to focus more on Gambit and im more worried about that seeing how badly she handles Rogue, god knows what she will do with the guilds, so far while i dont think she's very good i am enjoying the book maybe because she hasn't damaged Gambit the way she has Rogue.
I find it ironic (and kind of amusing) that the only people Ive seen who have issues with a Rogue and Gambit book are Rogue and Gambit fans. Everyone else who is reading and reviewing the books seem to be loving it.
Edited to say: please don't take this as a personal attack. Just an observation from a very small sample size of the books consumers.
not at all dude , its a fair point, but you should know fans are never happy lol
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I find it ironic (and kind of amusing) that the only people Ive seen who have issues with a Rogue and Gambit book are Rogue and Gambit fans. Everyone else who is reading and reviewing the books seem to be loving it.
At first I didn't get what you meant with Rogue and Gambit fans. I'm guessing the Rogue only and Gambit only groups. They've been divided for a long time.
It's the romys who must support the book because they're happy no matter what happens. It's the concept for them, not so much the rest of it. IMO. I could be wrong.
Edited to say: please don't take this as a personal attack. Just an observation from a very small sample size of the books consumers.
No big deal. We all observe things. Never a bad thing to point it out. :)
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At first I didn't get what you meant with Rogue and Gambit fans. I'm guessing the Rogue only and Gambit only groups. They've been divided for a long time.
It's the romys who must support the book because they're happy no matter what happens. It's the concept for them, not so much the rest of it. IMO. I could be wrong.
No big deal. We all observe things. Never a bad thing to point it out. :)
I disagree with you because as much as I love Romy and am really happy to see it not get treated like a smelly poo over in the corner that gets ignored and then treated like the poo Marvel seemed to think it was before all of this when it did get brought up I still don't think they've done enough to make Romy work currently. I'm not buying Mr and Mrs X and nothing I've heard is enough for me to break my Marvel boycott again for it. I think it just comes down to this weird unwillingness or inability to take this opportunity and use it to actually hash out and really dig into all of the weird rotten garbage that's been piled up on this relationship since Milligan's run.
I mean I do think that sometimes people just go into this book looking to hate it and find things to make them correct about that which are maybe more innocent than they're being taken or are being interpreted a bit too extremely in a negative slant but that's also true of people who want to love it they just point their filter in a positive direction. I am pretty disappointed in what I've heard from Kelly Thompson just not at all or not very well dealing with anything from Milligan or Carey or Gage or Rogue's Avengers stuff. Fortunately/unfortunately Gambit has barely done anything for years now so there isn't as much on his side to deal with in regards to Romy which also doesn't help the character balance since Rogue is the one who has the most work to do on the relationship since Gambit has pretty much always just loved Rogue at least in my estimation.
From what I've heard though Gambit mostly handles himself just fine and this is the most active he's been in forever so regardless of the negative or positive slants on the matter I think that's a good thing that he's a co-lead in a book and he gets to fight and not always get punked out and suck at stealing things despite being the best thief. I do think Rogue's other 'relationships' showing up is a little bad especially in the case of that old terrorist doing so because he was invited and then Rogue confiding in him because Kelly Thompson apparently didn't get any feedback about that or maybe she likes that awful pairing even if she likes Romy more... blech.
I mean seriously that awful old man can't be 'exploring' and not matter and a long time villain who caused the worst thing to ever happen to you and your now husband the same current husband whose words you used to justify doing that old terrorist when you did (barf). Then you invite that same awful old meaningless exploring old terrorist man to your housewarming party and spill your guts to him and also apologize of all things... no... that's terrible... terrible. Mystique would be equally gross in a different way but make more sense or... an actually a good person friend. Does Rogue not have any of those? I mean there's no reason to bring this up here other than it's been in my head lately for God only knows why but that 'relationship' is and was just gross... it led to one of the weirdest conversations I've read in an X-Man comic between Rogue and Toad. Look it up. Anyway... rant over. Sorry. It's just definitely weird that a Romy book would bring that monstrosity up at all much less treat it nicely because I doubt I'm the only fan even just of either character who dislikes that 'relationship'. I mean if you care about continuity I guess you can't ignore it but if you're gonna handwave it away then you should. It doesn't need to ever come back and that old terrorist sure doesn't deserve an invitation to anything involving Rogue and/or Gambit much less an apology for not getting one to a thing that became a thing and then happened within a few hours of that.
Still I also think Longshot makes sense to show up because it's Mojo and he was just a crush. I don't think it's always bad and context matters. I also don't know who would show up on the Gambit side just because I don't know who he's really been with in the comics outside of Belladonna and Rogue. Frenzy? I don't remember because I'm definitely biased to Romy and I don't think any relationship or otherwise (other than whoever it was forcing in a Gambit slept with Mystique when she was disguised as... whatever it was that's also gross) has been as out of character and badly done as Rogue and that old terrorist. I'm also probably in the minority on this but I don't feel like Gambit's ladies' man moniker and charm mean he's necessarily as promiscuous as some fans seem to think he is or want him to be or at least not since he's been with the X-Men.
Basically I think it just boils down to this book having a weird feel to it and if you're opposed to or generally negative towards Romy you're probably never going to like it and if you just love Romy and don't get hung up on some things like I do you'll probably really like it and hopefully it converts some new fans so Romy won't just die off again. However, keep in mind that Rogue & Gambit was originally going to kill Romy (the relationship) off 'for good' (sure...) so I unfortunately wouldn't count on them being together for too long. So if you hate that just wait until the series is done and see what happens. I would like to see them also appear in more things whether it's together or not as long as they're treated respectfully. I think that would also help things a lot having other books to have different interactions with other characters in. Hopefully that wasn't too much of a ramble. Just some stuff I thought I'd bring up as an not so outside observer.
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Just want to add my opinion here. I'm pretty much on the same boat as Neko and Remydat. As a Gambit fan - not Romy, not Rogue, only Gambit - who has a soft spot for the relationship because of the 90's, this book isn't doing it for me. Yes, Gambit has cool moments. Yes, he's shown as a competent fighter. BUT when you dig into the story, well, he is the sidekick. I can't really get into the argument like you guys can because a lot has been said already and I'd be re-treading, but just take the Thieves Guild fight for example. Why did Rogue go onto the roof with Gambit? Why? Why did SHE need to finish the fight? Could Gambit not have finished the fight in some badass way because his wife was telling him to get his but back inside and look after the guests? After all, it was HIS fight.
It feels like the compass points to Rogue each time. It felt like that in the space story. It feels like that now. It's her development. Gambit, as always, is along for the ride. So yeah, I care not for this book and I'm bitterly disappointed by it :(
I can't fault anybody for enjoying it though, and I'm glad that you are!
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just take the Thieves Guild fight for example. Why did Rogue go onto the roof with Gambit? Why? Why did SHE need to finish the fight? Could Gambit not have finished the fight in some badass way because his wife was telling him to get his but back inside and look after the guests? After all, it was HIS fight.
It feels like the compass points to Rogue each time. It felt like that in the space story. It feels like that now. It's her development. Gambit, as always, is along for the ride. So yeah, I care not for this book and I'm bitterly disappointed by it :(
I can't fault anybody for enjoying it though, and I'm glad that you are!
Hi >:D , no arguments just debates , i kinda agree/disagree with Rogue getting involved in the fight, yes its Gambits fight and he is fighting normal people so no big deal, he's handling himself pretty well, he actually looks to be having fun and he even saves Rogue as she is being strangled, theres no doubt that Gambit by himself would have handled it
Rogue getting involved is annoying but its her husband she's going to have his back, she is going to get involved, its kinda a characteristic of hers , the she gets impatient and goes nuclear to end it quick as she can, they have guests coming and don't want the party ruined,
as a Gambit fans we tend to look at how this is a negative for Gambit, ive stopped doing that and instead i focused on how bad this looks for Rogue, she has to get involved in a fight she knows Remy can handle, she's no good really, she has to wear a dampener and when she becomes a damsel she gets impatient and rips the thing off because she cant handle it,
I dont think there is a win in this situation, Rogue gets involved some fans aren't happy others are ok with it, Rogue doesn't get involved fans get mad because she didn't back up her man, better to have her support him then. Also her getting involved is probably going to be addressed in the Guild arc
Ok so remember X23 this is what the book reminds me of except not was well written, granted it was Lauras book Remy was on 90% of its run, there was no development for him but he was consistently written, now Mr & Mrs X he gets just as much panel time but story wise like you said "It feels like the compass points to Rogue each time" i for one am happy with this because if KT focuses on Remy like she did Rogue no Gambit fan will be happy
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Gambit got development in X-23 though. He developed a relationship with Laura that still exists today. He also was shown as a mature mentor to her which pror to Li was pretty much non-existent since Lil Storm.
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Gambit got development in X-23 though. He developed a relationship with Laura that still exists today. He also was shown as a mature mentor to her which pror to Li was pretty much non-existent since Lil Storm.
ok the relationship building is development for both characters and he developed a relationship further with Cecilia so building friends for Remy. However Remy had been seen as a mentor figure before or mentioned as one ala Pixi in Hellbound saying how he thought her to pick locks, so its not a development really, its nothing new to the character, he under the writer will be a teacher or mentor figure to students, granted Laura was more akin to lil Storm. So even with me disagreeing with you on one point i will agree Remy still had more development in X23
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I loved it! My favorite issue so far.
Good: Gambit was smart and great in fight with Longshot. Really cool moment for him.
Gambit and Rogue banter are fun as always.
Huge thanks to KT for using "Bang you dead!" and that charged cards felt dangerous.
Glad that Gambit is important in this arc too. Gambit and Rogue were chosen because Spiral needed Gambit`s thieving skills. I really liked it.
Excited to see Gambit in real mojoworld. I think he must kidnap someone who is important for Mojo. Like his unknown child or girlfriend. I think it will be something that he wouldn`t like to do.
Bad or weird: We have 5 R&G issues, wedding in Gold 30 and 8 MMX issues. Rogue didn`t tell even once simple phrase "I love you". Gambit did it already a few times and told again in MMX 8 that he loves her.
Their relationship feels to much one sided. It may be ok before marriage but now it is not ok. Their couple is not healthy. Maybe Remy noticed that and that is why he was drinking in bar.
Terrible speculation:
"They find each other, they fall in love... and then she murders him". I afraid because Guilds hates Rogue as his wife they will betray Remy at the end of #12 and kill him. So he will do a right thing and show that he was good and loyal but will die from a betrayal the way Jon Snow died. After that Rogue will tell that she loves him.
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Probably the best issue of the series so far and Gambit has his moments. As a Gambit fan this narrative is just really boring. Rogue with power issues. Gambit fully devoted. Rogue being wishy washy about it. Rogue being the girl everyone wants (this is now 3 of her ex's or crushes in this series). This story has been told 100 times already. KT tells it well but I am just left not really caring about any of this.It would really be nice to read a Romy story where both of them are actually emotionally invested in Romy instead of this constant theme of Gambit having to chase Rogue while fending off other challengers. Might as well have Human Torch and Sentry show up in the next arc. Or s***, is Joseph still alive?
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I loved it! My favorite issue so far.
Good: Gambit was smart and great in fight with Longshot. Really cool moment for him.
Gambit and Rogue banter are fun as always.
Huge thanks to KT for using "Bang you dead!" and that charged cards felt dangerous.
Glad that Gambit is important in this arc too. Gambit and Rogue were chosen because Spiral needed Gambit`s thieving skills. I really liked it.
Excited to see Gambit in real mojoworld. I think he must kidnap someone who is important for Mojo. Like his unknown child or girlfriend. I think it will be something that he wouldn`t like to do.
Bad or weird: We have 5 R&G issues, wedding in Gold 30 and 8 MMX issues. Rogue didn`t tell even once simple phrase "I love you". Gambit did it already a few times and told again in MMX 8 that he loves her.
Their relationship feels to much one sided. It may be ok before marriage but now it is not ok. Their couple is not healthy. Maybe Remy noticed that and that is why he was drinking in bar.
Terrible speculation:
"They find each other, they fall in love... and then she murders him". I afraid because Guilds hates Rogue as his wife they will betray Remy at the end of #12 and kill him. So he will do a right thing and show that he was good and loyal but will die from a betrayal the way Jon Snow died. After that Rogue will tell that she loves him.
Yup although im hoping it ends with them getting a divorce and not Remy dead, also anyone else think alot of the dialog between Mojo ,Spiral and the other dude seemed very meta as in its KT talking to the fans directly
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Yup although im hoping it ends with them getting a divorce and not Remy dead, also anyone else think alot of the dialog between Mojo ,Spiral and the other dude seemed very meta as in its KT talking to the fans directly
Noticed meta dialogues too. It started with Bella`s monologue in issue 6.
I hope Remy won`t die too of course. I don`t know. Maybe Guilds will steal his soul or brainwash him back to 90`s persona. I don`t know but I am sure that something will happen to him so he will get changed fast and cardinally. Maybe even become a villain.
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Noticed meta dialogues too. It started with Bella`s monologue in issue 6.
I hope Remy won`t die too of course. I don`t know. Maybe Guilds will steal his soul or brainwash him back to 90`s persona. I don`t know but I am sure that something will happen to him so he will get changed fast and cardinally. Maybe even become a villain.
it'd be cool if he reverted to the way he was in Hellbound that dude was badass, i think the guilds will end with Remy choosing Rogue and losing his title as King/leader which will suck
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it'd be cool if he reverted to the way he was in Hellbound that dude was badass, i think the guilds will end with Remy choosing Rogue and losing his title as King/leader which will suck
His thoughts about love in MMX 8 reminded me his thoughts about Death persona and love in Liu`s AXM. That he remembered people that he loved and it mattered more. The way he kinda defeated death persona.
It would be interesting if his love feelings got hurt or shaken and Death found a way back through it. Like through a scratch in wall. But it will never happen.
I will be mad if he will choose Rogue and will leave Guilds. It seems that in Guilds arc Rogue should show her support and love for Remy. Not one more time Gambit should make a sacrifice to keep Romy.
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His thoughts about love in MMX 8 reminded me his thoughts about Death persona and love in Liu`s AXM. That he remembered people that he loved and it mattered more. The way he kinda defeated death persona.
It would be interesting if his love feelings got hurt or shaken and Death found a way back through it. Like through a scratch in wall. But it will never happen.
I will be mad if he will choose Rogue and will leave Guilds. It seems that in Guilds arc Rogue should show her support and love for Remy. Not one more time Gambit should make a sacrifice to keep Romy.
shhhhhhhhhh KT might steal that death persona idea , which in the right hands could be done well, i just get the vibe from the series so far that Rogue really hasnt though her decision to marry Remy through. As badly handled as it was with Carey he still had gambit knowing that Rogue was his end point that they would end up together that's why when he proposed its was'nt that out there, whereas rogue has always choosen anyone but Remy when given the choice. mags seems to be her one true love, this book will end with a split and remy off in limbo or worse dead because marvel hates divorce
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I doubt a divorce between Gambit and Rogue would be on the same scale as "One More Day" with Spider-Man and Mary Jane. That said, I'd take divorce over death. It took a long time for Jean fans to get her adult version back. And Gambit doesn't have a "white room" to retreat too if he's killed. Fabian made sure that most of the other AU's Gambit died.
Going back to my statement a few pages ago, either here or somewhere in regards to MMX.
Based on what folks are saying:
The hard core romy group doesn't even have any complaints - "its a great issue, can't wait for more". Yet, those that do romy here are seeing issues or have concerns. There are some fans that don't care about the concerns brought up because they don't see it - all that matters is togetherness, no matter how one sided. That is what I'm pointing out and badly as usual.
Rogue has not told Gambit she loves him? It's all from Rogue's point of view. We're on the exes tour with Rogue and Gambit has to prove himself again and again.
How is that not bothersome?
It's a one sided relationship.
No offense to any.
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Gambit loves Rogue. Rogue loves the idea of Gambit lovng her.
That is the status of the relationship.
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And that is nothing new in how many years, I'm not counting. Tell you what ... how about it gets switched up and Rogue actually chase Gambit and try to prove to him she cares. We can't have that! :crazy2:
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Overall it was a very cool issue with badass 1vs 1 moments for Gambit that he needed for a long time.
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And that is nothing new in how many years, I'm not counting. Tell you what ... how about it gets switched up and Rogue actually chase Gambit and try to prove to him she cares. We can't have that! :crazy2:
Sure we can have that. When do you think hell will freeze over?
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Sure we can have that. When do you think hell will freeze over?
I guess not soon enough. LOL
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Haven't posted here in ages (mostly because I was too lazy to log in). Anyways X-treme X-Men. That was the last time Rogue did the chasing and it was pretty selfish of her. ;D
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X-Treme was probably the last time she actually told Gambit she loved him too. Unless someone knows of a more recent moment, that's pretty sad.
Anyway, another former crush/flame for Rogue, check. How many are left now? I thought I read somewhere that the Sentry thing was explained away, so that just leaves the flame brain, right?
Yawn.
Okay, so I probably would be more... invested... in MMX if they had started it with Thieves Guild issues instead of the way it's gone. First couple of issues I was carefully examining the panels and text for all the details, but in the last couple I've just found myself sort of speed reading through, nearly skimming. I see a Gambit panel and I slow down for a bit, then speed up again as soon as I see Rogue.
So on the plus side, we get to see Gambit unequivocally state that he is the best thief, ever. On the negative side, that's just a tie-in for the next comic. At the end, why is he being chased already? I hope there is an explanation because for the 'best thief ever' to be getting chased before he's even really started... yeah.
Then we get Rogue, with power control attempt number blahblahblah. Maybe this one will stick for more than a year, assuming it succeeds. Trying not to be cynical is really hard.
As for the not-so-subtle 4th wall comments about love triangles and controversy and people liking them... well, I'm definitely not in that camp of liking them, so if it was supposed to be sarcastic then it was spot on. The irony is that most of the time they are only referred to as a 'triangle' because of the 3 people. If it was a true triangle there would be a 'love' connection with all three equally, but generally there is at best ambivalence between two of the people, and hatred at worst. Just one of those things that grinds my gears.
I guess calling it a 'love upside-down v' is too much of a mouthful.
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I really really enjoyed this issue. It was a fun entertaining book with a very clever plot. KT really used Gambit in a very smart way against Longshot and Spiral. Gambit have never seen/been in the real mojoverse so it will be really interesting on how he handles himself in an unknown place and steal the object for Spiral.
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I know that Rogue was under control, but that kiss scene wasn't necessary, but because Rogue and Longshot kissed each other a long time ago, that scene has to be recreated again in some way... meh. I guess since they didn't explore their own romance and sparks didn't fly, Blair Marnell at Marcvel.com will be very disappointed with this issue (what a dumbass)... I'm glad that the pop culture references didn't go on and on. If it was the other way around with Gambit kissing someone else, I can't see how he would get off the hook, he would mostly likely get accused of cheating, adultery, etc (he's accused of that all the time), no way could he use the excuse of being his mind being wiped or under control.
As for Gambit's fight with Longshot, that was pretty good... but is his defeat any real victory for Gambit? Does that go up there when he fought Wolverine, Gladiator, Daredevil, Blade, or War Machine? I mean I know that Longshot is skilled and deadly in his own right, but he doesn't come across as a big name character for Gambit to get some sort of recognition for. Does beating him really count in the Mojo universe? It was nice to see Rogue in her classic 90s costume again instead of that all puke green outfit that she's been wearing for far too long. I guess we'll see Gambit actually doing something on his own in the next issue... but we'll see how long that'll last since the cover to issue #9 doesn't really get me excited.
Romy fans have become mindless sheep, every issue is perfect and according to them, Rogue doesn't have to say "I love you", she does that through her actions... how convenient, there's always an excuse for her piss poor behavior.
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C`mon guys. At first you don`t like that Gambit fights only no name characters. Now he defeated Longshot in a cool way and it is again not enough?
There are a lot of mindless hate in this thread where people just hate every issue the same way hard Romy fans enjoy every issue.
Gambit threads here are not healthy. And it started a long time ago. It is really sad when smart people ignore all good things and are trying to turn everything into bad. It is not normal and not the way it should be. At least here. It is not freaking CBR.
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C`mon guys. At first you don`t like that Gambit fights only no name characters. Now he defeated Longshot in a cool way and it is again not enough?
There are a lot of mindless hate in this thread where people just hate every issue the same way hard Romy fans enjoy every issue.
Gambit threads here are not healthy. And it started a long time ago. It is really sad when smart people ignore all good things and are trying to turn everything into bad. It is not normal and not the way it should be. At least here. It is not freaking CBR.
i know right, to be fair though its not mindless hate, everyone has different opinions just some of the negativity is saying things thats not true and just twisting things to fill their own narrative imo, it is hard though i have to re read some of the issues to get a positive view on them,
X-Treme was probably the last time she actually told Gambit she loved him too. Unless someone knows of a more recent moment, that's pretty sad.
Anyway, another former crush/flame for Rogue, check. How many are left now? I thought I read somewhere that the Sentry thing was explained away, so that just leaves the flame brain, right?
Yawn.
It's Mojo world dude , Longshot was bound to show up, it's kinda his gig , So far we've had Deadpool (for sales) Magneto (fan service for Rogueneto fans, KT was asked for this by fans) and Longshot who again was gonna show up its Mojo world itd be weird if he didnt
as for the last time Rogue said i love you, this is interesting, XM 187 she say's to Deathbit "we love eachother" and later to Gus/Pulse "the love of mah life" but last i remember it was XXM 18 now she may have said it since that but i dont remember and if she said it to someone else that she loved Gambit i didnt read it because Gambit probably was'nt in it,
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I liked this issue a lot especially because I found the previous two very mediocre. Loved all the references squeezed in (the nod to the snappening was fun). Gambit was great throughout. Spiral scheming to get him there was more than I was expecting. Rogue locking lips with Longshot was unnecessary, though.
Also I admit I’m kinda relieved. I thought all that Gambit was going to do in this issue was steal something (cause, you know, that’s what he does) and the next would be 20 pages of Rogue going through her mental journey. Now I think we will follow both characters on separate journeys (though we know which one is getting developed).
It’s probably wishful thinking on my part but Remy going for a drink and wanting to be alone might be his finally realizing that he is too devoted to Rogue while she doesn’t show him the same affection. Rogue’s lines in the documentary were… interesting. It might point to her acknowledging that she has to prove she wants to be with him but since I doubt KT thinks there’s anything wrong with perfect little Rogue, I’m skeptical.
C`mon guys. At first you don`t like that Gambit fights only no name characters. Now he defeated Longshot in a cool way and it is again not enough?
There are a lot of mindless hate in this thread where people just hate every issue the same way hard Romy fans enjoy every issue.
Gambit threads here are not healthy. And it started a long time ago. It is really sad when smart people ignore all good things and are trying to turn everything into bad. It is not normal and not the way it should be. At least here. It is not freaking CBR.
Both love and hate for this book are disproportional. Some fans are so in love with it just because it’s romy that they are blinded to its flaws; while others loathe its premise so much that they’ll keep on hating it no matter what. It's ridiculous how some people distort facts and think they're being clever.
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It’s probably wishful thinking on my part but Remy going for a drink and wanting to be alone might be his finally realizing that he is too devoted to Rogue while she doesn’t show him the same affection. Rogue’s lines in the documentary were… interesting. It might point to her acknowledging that she has to prove she wants to be with him but since I doubt KT thinks there’s anything wrong with perfect little Rogue, I’m skeptical.
I thought the same. I like Romy but right now their relationship in MMX is not healthy. I think it will be brought that Gambit gives more then receives.
Also I think next issue Gambit will must to do smth bad to steal that thing. So he will have a dilemma if he really must or wants to do that bad thing to save Rogue.
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as for the last time Rogue said i love you, this is interesting, XM 187 she say's to Deathbit "we love eachother" and later to Gus/Pulse "the love of mah life" but last i remember it was XXM 18 now she may have said it since that but i dont remember and if she said it to someone else that she loved Gambit i didnt read it because Gambit probably was'nt in it,
I think the last time was in Asmus solo in snow with Joelle. Or something like this.
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I think the last time was in Asmus solo in snow with Joelle. Or something like this.
nope she never said i love you, Gambit #11 Rogue say's she came to help, she doesnt want to see Remy drive off a cliff, he replies he's doing the same for Joelle, she say's "your going through all this because you love her?" the he replies did you just say? and they are interrupted. So she didn't actually say i love you
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nope she never said i love you, Gambit #11 Rogue say's she came to help, she doesnt want to see Remy drive off a cliff, he replies he's doing the same for Joelle, she say's "your going through all this because you love her?" the he replies did you just say? and they are interrupted. So she didn't actually say i love you
Yeah, no direct I love you. But that was the closest thing that I could remeber.
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This post is NOT directed at anyone but I think at this point needs to be said - disclaimer done.
In case it was missed … most posts started with it was a good issue, best one in the series. It's in bold for a reason. Re-read that a few times, please for my sake because it is deemed all dislike when in fact, the book has been stated as a good read or this issue is best one thus far but there are nuances that are not liked or a general feel. LOL
Re: critique/story issues-
The dislike feels like a long time because we've had 13 months so far with another 2 to go of the same stuff and allegedly 2 where the direction should be different but no guarantees that it will not be the same stuff. The same stuff over and over and over and ... and as many overs as you need to see it. This book and its mini has been very Rogue-centric.
What is being pointed out is nuance in story telling. We are dissecting as usual.
For example when some were enjoying ANXF through thick and thin even to the bitter end, those who didn't like it, stated it and the site rolled on. Are we picking and choosing which books to critique/discuss and which ones can not be?
This place has always been a spot where you can discuss as deeply or lightly as wished or just read and not say anything. Participation is on the user.
Thanks for reading. Carry on. :)
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C`mon guys. At first you don`t like that Gambit fights only no name characters. Now he defeated Longshot in a cool way and it is again not enough?
There are a lot of mindless hate in this thread where people just hate every issue the same way hard Romy fans enjoy every issue.
Gambit threads here are not healthy. And it started a long time ago. It is really sad when smart people ignore all good things and are trying to turn everything into bad. It is not normal and not the way it should be. At least here. It is not freaking CBR.
I think we listed multiple issues with the book. His fighting was just one of them and everyone I have seen acknowledges it was a good showing for Gambit. That has nothing to do with the other issues with the book.
If I complain about the food and service at a restaurant and the next time I go the food was good but the service was still s***, am I suppose to ignore the s***ty service because they fixed one of the problems?
Further you noted similar issues. The only difference is you wish to focus on the glass being half full while we are focused on the glass being half empty. To that I say, to each his/her own.
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Since, I stalled the thread. Lets see.
I know that Rogue was under control, but that kiss scene wasn't necessary, but because Rogue and Longshot kissed each other a long time ago, that scene has to be recreated again in some way... meh. I guess since they didn't explore their own romance and sparks didn't fly, Blair Marnell at Marcvel.com will be very disappointed with this issue (what a dumbass)... I'm glad that the pop culture references didn't go on and on. If it was the other way around with Gambit kissing someone else, I can't see how he would get off the hook, he would mostly likely get accused of cheating, adultery, etc (he's accused of that all the time), no way could he use the excuse of being his mind being wiped or under control.
And the fans wouldn't let it go either. LMAO Gambit would get roasted.
As for Gambit's fight with Longshot, that was pretty good... but is his defeat any real victory for Gambit? Does that go up there when he fought Wolverine, Gladiator, Daredevil, Blade, or War Machine? I mean I know that Longshot is skilled and deadly in his own right, but he doesn't come across as a big name character for Gambit to get some sort of recognition for. Does beating him really count in the Mojo universe? It was nice to see Rogue in her classic 90s costume again instead of that all puke green outfit that she's been wearing for far too long. I guess we'll see Gambit actually doing something on his own in the next issue... but we'll see how long that'll last since the cover to issue #9 doesn't really get me excited.
LOL – lots of Rogue on the cover.
Romy fans have become mindless sheep, every issue is perfect and according to them, Rogue doesn't have to say "I love you", she does that through her actions... how convenient, there's always an excuse for her piss poor behavior.
She does no wrong. LOL The “I love you” thing seems a tad disconcerting. Makes you wonder why she married Gambit.
@Remydat - regarding Torch and Sentry. The narrative would be "new" because didn't both of these happen off panel. Thus the writer could do whatever she wanted.
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i know right, to be fair though its not mindless hate, everyone has different opinions just some of the negativity is saying things thats not true and just twisting things to fill their own narrative imo, it is hard though i have to re read some of the issues to get a positive view on them,It's Mojo world dude , Longshot was bound to show up, it's kinda his gig , So far we've had Deadpool (for sales) Magneto (fan service for Rogueneto fans, KT was asked for this by fans) and Longshot who again was gonna show up its Mojo world itd be weird if he didnt
It is mojo world most likely because the writer wanted Longshot to appear so she created a narrative that allows that. All of what you said are just rationalizations for the writer to bring Rogue's ex's in the book.
There is no logical reason in a book about Romy to give a s*** about Rogueneto fans. KT only cares about them because she is also a Rogueneto fan so she is just living out her fanfic fantasies.
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I think we listed multiple issues with the book. His fighting was just one of them and everyone I have seen acknowledges it was a good showing for Gambit. That has nothing to do with the other issues with the book.
If I complain about the food and service at a restaurant and the next time I go the food was good but the service was still s***, am I suppose to ignore the s***ty service because they fixed one of the problems?
Further you noted similar issues. The only difference is you wish to focus on the glass being half full while we are focused on the glass being half empty. To that I say, to each his/her own.
Nah, you are wrong. I always write what I like in book and why I like it and then what I hate in it and why I hate it.
And you are just moaning. Every time.
You will write some wrong s***. I will show you with facts that you are wrong. You will tell that you don't care and can write whatever you want.
It repits every time.
It is sad because you can do better.
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Neko made a great point. This forum is a place for all Gambit fans (and even non-fans too) to voice their opinions on comics. Whether you hate something unconditionally or love something unconditionally doesn't matter. The only thing that I think is important is that everyone is respectful and mindful of other's opinions. If you hate it feel free to post it and if you love it post about it too, but I think it's important that we are tolerant of other's opinions and nobody should be harassed. The guild is a great place to post your opinions on Gambit comics where you don't have to censor yourself and don't have to worry about draconian mods who will delete your posts/block you at the first sign of something they don't like (I'm looking at you CBR).
Now onto my thoughts on Issue 8 of Mr & Mrs. X:
I liked it and I think it was probably the best issue so far in the series in my opinion. The action bits with Gambit and Longshot, and with Spiral, were great. It's great to see Remy be both effective and ingenious in a battle. Both brawn and smarts were present in Remy. The dialogue read very well to me too and was believable, both from Rogue and Gambit. I liked the art, it wasn't great but I think it's solid enough, and the coloring is A-level. As a Gambit this is the most fun I've had reading Gambit in this entire series. I'm interested to see what exactly he's going to be stealing in the Mojoworld and I love the Blade Runner aesthetics of it all. The main gripe I have, and pretty much the main gripe I've had this whole series, is that I wish Remy's love for Rogue wasn't the only thing that defined his character. Thompson seems to be driving the point across, according to the last page, that Remy's love for Rogue is seemingly the only point of development he's had worth noting. While this love is important, I think that there's more to Remy than just his love for Rogue and this isn't the only thing that has driven his development. This is true for Rogue as well, however maybe Thompson disagrees with me and that's why she really hasn't given Remy any actual character development outside of being supportive towards Rogue (which he's been since at least Legacy in 2011). Overall though Issue 8 was solid and I think the pay off is gonna make or break this series.This issue really was the most fun to read as a Gambit fan, and the best he's looked while being written by Kelly Thompson. Both his dialogue and fight scenes were a blast. Hopefully the future issues hold up and hopefully he gets more development as well.
As to where Thompson is going with MMX, LegoLiz from CBR suggested that there must be some sort of pay-off that she is aiming towards. And that to me will basically make or break the series, especially for fans who lean more towards Gambit or Rogue. It's exhausting reading the same formula for the last 10+ years now of Rogue being unsure about Remy and Remy trying to find ways to prove himself. I thought maybe Thompson was moving past this in the mini, albeit in a very convenient way that ignored some of the biggest issues many fans had with the relationship, but then MMX has felt like retread for me with Rogue taking steps back. I understand Rogue lost control of her powers but she handled it the same way she would have before she got back together with Remy (and married him) as if the development she got from the mini just went out the window. Hopefully Thompson is working towards some sort of pay-off as LegoLiz mentioned. Whether it's Rogue finally being sure of Remy's love and learning to be just as supportive. Or with Rogue finally figuring it out that maybe she just doesn't love him and that she shouldn't keep leading Remy on by making him think that their love is mutual. Either would reflect growth in my book and I would be fine with either.
I also want to mention that whatever the pay-off is from this arc for Rogue, that Gambit hopefully develops from this as well. Like if Rogue finally admits that Remy's love is enough and that she needs to be just as supportive, then Remy will finally see that he can be more confident in himself (like he used to be) and no longer has insecurities about self-worth. Like he'll fully realize that he's enough and doesn't have to take s*** from anyone who doubts his trustworthiness. Or if Rogue comes out and finally admits that she doesn't actually love Remy, then Remy can fully realize that their love wasn't meant to be and that he should move on from Rogue onto different & better things.
But at the end of the day issue 8 was the most solid issue so far and probably the best Gambit has been portrayed by Thompson so far.
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It is mojo world most likely because the writer wanted Longshot to appear so she created a narrative that allows that. All of what you said are just rationalizations for the writer to bring Rogue's ex's in the book.
There is no logical reason in a book about Romy to give a s*** about Rogueneto fans. KT only cares about them because she is also a Rogueneto fan so she is just living out her fanfic fantasies.
Ah but the reason they are in Mojo world is because Spiral wants Remy to do a job, and if KT was such a rogueneto fan then why did she have her marry Remy? why did she "fix" the relationship in the mini, Mags showing up the way he did and the dialog was badly done ill agree to that buuuuuut say mags and Rogue got married instead would you not like a similar scene between Rogue and Gambit where they are ex's who leave things amicable, also the reason in a Romy book you care about the Rogueneto fans is the Rogue part you want to keep those fans , keep the sales ya know........only reason Deadpool showed up, only reason for Longshot to show up too for fans of Mojo world to tune in, i mean i hate Mojo world and know f*** all about it but if you mention Mojo world i think Mojo, Spiral and Longshot
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Nah, you are wrong. I always write what I like in book and why I like it and then what I hate in it and why I hate it.
And you are just moaning. Every time.
You will write some wrong s***. I will show you with facts that you are wrong. You will tell that you don't care and can write whatever you want.
It repits every time.
It is sad because you can do better.
No you are getting emotional. I said it was the best issue of the series and Gambit had his moments. I then went on and said what I didn't like which is the fact this is the same story we have seen over and over again. So not sure what your beef is. These are subjective opinions. You are free to have your subjective opinion and I am free to have mine.
Probably the best issue of the series so far and Gambit has his moments. As a Gambit fan this narrative is just really boring. Rogue with power issues. Gambit fully devoted. Rogue being wishy washy about it. Rogue being the girl everyone wants (this is now 3 of her ex's or crushes in this series). This story has been told 100 times already. KT tells it well but I am just left not really caring about any of this.It would really be nice to read a Romy story where both of them are actually emotionally invested in Romy instead of this constant theme of Gambit having to chase Rogue while fending off other challengers. Might as well have Human Torch and Sentry show up in the next arc. Or s***, is Joseph still alive?
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Ah but the reason they are in Mojo world is because Spiral wants Remy to do a job, and if KT was such a rogueneto fan then why did she have her marry Remy? why did she "fix" the relationship in the mini, Mags showing up the way he did and the dialog was badly done ill agree to that buuuuuut say mags and Rogue got married instead would you not like a similar scene between Rogue and Gambit where they are ex's who leave things amicable, also the reason in a Romy book you care about the Rogueneto fans is the Rogue part you want to keep those fans , keep the sales ya know........only reason Deadpool showed up, only reason for Longshot to show up too for fans of Mojo world to tune in, i mean i hate Mojo world and know f*** all about it but if you mention Mojo world i think Mojo, Spiral and Longshot
Spiral isn't a real person. They are in Mojo world because KT wanted them there and she just wrote a narrative to put them there.
KT has said that she likes many of Rogue's ships. She just likes Romy best. So she had Rogue marry Gambit and not Mags because she likes Romy best. As she also may like Roguepool, Rogueneto and apparently Rogueshot, she found reasons to include them in the book.
And no if Rogue married Mags instead, I would not give a s*** about Gambit appearing because I wouldn't care about the excuses. I would just be happy that Gambit was away from that mess. Hence why I argued that if Carey wanted to make Rogueneto happen he should have let Gambit go and let other writers use him rather than keeping him there.
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Spiral isn't a real person. They are in Mojo world because KT wanted them there and she just wrote a narrative to put them there.
KT has said that she likes many of Rogue's ships. She just likes Romy best. So she had Rogue marry Gambit and not Mags because she likes Romy best. As she also may like Roguepool, Rogueneto and apparently Rogueshot, she found reasons to include them in the book.
And no if Rogue married Mags instead, I would not give a s*** about Gambit appearing because I wouldn't care about the excuses. I would just be happy that Gambit was away from that mess. Hence why I argued that if Carey wanted to make Rogueneto happen he should have let Gambit go and let other writers use him rather than keeping him there.
riiiiiiiight , see yes KT is the writer and control's the narrative, but in the story that she is writing Spiral is the reason they are in Mojo world, she wanted Gambit for his skills not Rogue, like it has nothing to do with Rogue why they are there , Spiral picked them because she wanted Gambit to do a job. A writer had a character choose our character to do a job based on his skills and saying he is the best and has nothing to do with his wife/the dreaded hag..................oh hey its valentines day
why do Rogue's ex's get her s*** on and not Bella showing up? i'm a Bemy ....Gamdonna....no Bemy is better im a Bemy supporter because no matter what she has stood by him, behind him, stabbed and tried to kill him but she has never stopped loving him God put them together now. Sorry my point is Gambits ex wife shows up and no one bats and eyelid its kinda biased
as for the last part of your comment yeah cant argue with that it sucked so much oldman balls, f***ing Carey living through a fictional character, both Rogue and gambit work best when they are not together and not pining for one another or rather Gambit pining for Rogue
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Neko made a great point. This forum is a place for all Gambit fans (and even non-fans too) to voice their opinions on comics. Whether you hate something unconditionally or love something unconditionally doesn't matter. The only thing that I think is important is that everyone is respectful and mindful of other's opinions. If you hate it feel free to post it and if you love it post about it too, but I think it's important that we are tolerant of other's opinions and nobody should be harassed. The guild is a great place to post your opinions on Gambit comics where you don't have to censor yourself and don't have to worry about draconian mods who will delete your posts/block you at the first sign of something they don't like (I'm looking at you CBR).
Thanks, said it better than I did but that is the point. Play nice is all.
Yes, I get it. Debbie Downers can be “tiring”. And its harder to take when you absolutely love whatever it is but …. keep in mind. This book isn't unique in that aspect. Many books and writers and artist have to deal with many views of their work. It is how people are when it comes to entertainment media. Folks, this place has been far harder on a whole bunch of books in the past than this one. Honestly, I've been at this forum a long time and what is said about this book is “nothing” in comparison with other things stated about other books.
Going back to my All New X-Factor analogy. Posters blasted that book monthly. Monthly. In the end its just opinion. Some even understood what was “wrong” in the book. Did it take away from the enjoyment, only if you let it. Don't let it. Only you can do that, that is a choice. Words only have power and meaning, if you give them power and meaning.
Asmus solo, I told you guys the nightmare of judgment without reading a word months in advance no less. At least we're not doing that, we're waiting, reading and discussing. Which is how it should be …. posting new content in regards to the book and waiting for release day to see what we're getting. I think that is better than in the past.
Play nice gang … love and dislike whatever … all good. We're too varied to be in agreement on everything. Life doesn't work that way. Life is too short to let something like a comic book opinion rule your day.
Because I feel I would have stalled the thread:
oh hey its valentines day
why do Rogue's ex's get her s*** on and not Bella showing up? i'm a Bemy ....Gamdonna....no Bemy is better im a Bemy supporter because no matter what she has stood by him, behind him, stabbed and tried to kill him but she has never stopped loving him God put them together now. Sorry my point is Gambits ex wife shows up and no one bats and eyelid its kinda biased
OMG – those are some funny ship names. … or Remdonna? I'm amused.
for the last part of your comment yeah cant argue with that it sucked so much oldman balls, f***ing Carey living through a fictional character, both Rogue and gambit work best when they are not together and not pining for one another or rather Gambit pining for Rogue
BTW – weren’t we harsh on Xmen Legacy? LOL Yes, yes, we were. (We as in the collective in general, no one specific or anything. Just a lot of comments regarding that material is all.)
I think that maybe as you and others pointed out as a flaw with the book, that Rogue show something toward Gambit. The "ILY" thing is what I'm referencing. I think its a valid observation. Probably should be fixed in theory. To show that its not one-sided. I would guess the material is already written or worked on and may not be able to be addressed.
I also think Gambit and Rogue work best when not together. It has nothing to do with the relationship, it really does come down to that the ability to write them in such a way that its not deemed slighted toward one of the characters is tough. Not easily done apparently.*shrug*
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riiiiiiiight , see yes KT is the writer and control's the narrative, but in the story that she is writing Spiral is the reason they are in Mojo world, she wanted Gambit for his skills not Rogue, like it has nothing to do with Rogue why they are there , Spiral picked them because she wanted Gambit to do a job. A writer had a character choose our character to do a job based on his skills and saying he is the best and has nothing to do with his wife/the dreaded hag..................oh hey its valentines day
why do Rogue's ex's get her s*** on and not Bella showing up? i'm a Bemy ....Gamdonna....no Bemy is better im a Bemy supporter because no matter what she has stood by him, behind him, stabbed and tried to kill him but she has never stopped loving him God put them together now. Sorry my point is Gambits ex wife shows up and no one bats and eyelid its kinda biased
as for the last part of your comment yeah cant argue with that it sucked so much oldman balls, f***ing Carey living through a fictional character, both Rogue and gambit work best when they are not together and not pining for one another or rather Gambit pining for Rogue
My comments are not about the story as I already conceded it was the best issue of the series. Getting them to Mojo invariably brings Longshot into it but there is no reason why the writer had to have Rogue and Longshot making out. She did so because she wanted to. That is the point.
If you are asking me whether I think KT would have created a pretense for them to go to Mojo if Rogue couldn't make out with Longshot then I would say that my honest answer is no. So the point here is the writer wanted Rogue making out with Longshot and so she created a reason for that. The fact that the reason was Spiral wanting Gambit doesn't change the fact her reason for doing so was so that Rogue would have a reason to make out with Longshot. Now that is my speculation but it is entirely fair speculation given her comments on Rogue relationships and the fact she already had 2 of Rogue's ex's in the book. I don't think it is just coincidence that Rogue made out with Longshot. That was one of the reasons for KT wanting a mojo world story IMO.
If KT had Bella, Polaris and CeCe show up with one trying to flirt with him, Gambit confiding intimate details about himself with another, and then Gambit making out with the 3rd then I would expect Gambit to get s*** and rightfully so. Instead Bella showed up to warn him about something and when she got snippy about Rogue, Gambit checked her. Although my comments are not about Rogue. They are about KT.
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OMG – those are some funny ship names. … or Remdonna? I'm amused.
BTW – weren’t we harsh on Xmen Legacy? LOL Yes, yes, we were. (We as in the collective in general, no one specific or anything. Just a lot of comments regarding that material is all.)
I think that maybe as you and others pointed out as a flaw with the book, that Rogue show something toward Gambit.
I also think Gambit and Rogue work best when not together. It has nothing to do with the relationship, it really does come down to that the ability to write them in such a way that its not deemed slighted toward one of the characters is tough. Not easily done apparently.*shrug*
Remdonna sounds like an awesome band name or sex act :D
X-Men legacy with Xavier was Meh at best but with Rogue as leader was so bad, not just the way Gambit was portrayed , i mean take him out of the book its still a badly plotted story just like Careys X-men start after Milligan, he had a really good roster too just poorly executed, wellllllll the one good thing he had going was Gambits subplot with Deathbit, he fixed it and i was interested in where it was going but after AoX it was dropped. wellllll ok maybe two things the Legion plot was interesting and that roster had so much potential but again he fafed it away maybe because he was leaving, Gage i had hopes for but he was more of the same really but he came in at a bad time
I kinda forgot/didnt notice Rogue hasn't told Remy "i love you" since XXM 18 and KT didn't even have her say it during the wedding vows, Remy said it, i really think its going to be a plot point or come up towards the end or their relationship, funny too how Asmus imo wrote a better Rogue and Gambit interaction and with Mann's art you could sense that they cared for one another, like they are ex'x but could be more, like Remdonna, spoilers: if i ever write for marvel its happening , SORRY NOT SORRY
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My comments are not about the story as I already conceded it was the best issue of the series. Getting them to Mojo invariably brings Longshot into it but there is no reason why the writer had to have Rogue and Longshot making out. She did so because she wanted to. That is the point.
If you are asking me whether I think KT would have created a pretense for them to go to Mojo if Rogue couldn't make out with Longshot then I would say that my honest answer is no. So the point here is the writer wanted Rogue making out with Longshot and so she created a reason for that. The fact that the reason was Spiral wanting Gambit doesn't change the fact her reason for doing so was so that Rogue would have a reason to make out with Longshot. Now that is my speculation but it is entirely fair speculation given her comments on Rogue relationships and the fact she already had 2 of Rogue's ex's in the book. I don't think it is just coincidence that Rogue made out with Longshot. That was one of the reasons for KT wanting a mojo world story IMO.
If KT had Bella, Polaris and CeCe show up with one trying to flirt with him, Gambit confiding intimate details about himself with another, and then Gambit making out with the 3rd then I would expect Gambit to get s*** and rightfully so. Instead Bella showed up to warn him about something and when she got snippy about Rogue, Gambit checked her. Although my comments are not about Rogue. They are about KT.
Ok firstly you have given me an idea for a new game called Flirt/Confide/Kiss ,so going by Gambits past intimate moments and not including Bella cause you f***ing marry Bella, who does what with Gambit - Polaris/Frenzy/CeCe Flirt -Frenzy Confide-CeCe Kiss - Polaris.......well that was easy...stupid game , who came up with that.
Ok i misunderstood your previous comment , and i am afraid i may have miss understood what you just said, but are you saying KT designed a 3 arc story all so she could have rogue and Longshot make out?
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Ok firstly you have given me an idea for a new game called Flirt/Confide/Kiss ,so going by Gambits past intimate moments and not including Bella cause you f***ing marry Bella, who does what with Gambit - Polaris/Frenzy/CeCe Flirt -Frenzy Confide-CeCe Kiss - Polaris.......well that was easy...stupid game , who came up with that.
Ok i misunderstood your previous comment , and i am afraid i may have miss understood what you just said, but are you saying KT designed a 3 arc story all so she could have rogue and Longshot make out?
I am sure KT's main focus appears to be exploring Rogue's powers and relationships and she designed the entire mini and ongoing for that reason. I say that because it is Rogue's powers and relationships that are the focus of the book thus far. Whether it be her control issues or her relationships with Gambit, Deadpool, Mags or Longshot, the focus here is in fact on Rogue. The fact Gambit does things to fill up the comic doesn't change that fact.
When this arc is over, no one will likely remember or care what Gambit has stolen because it is just something to move the plot along. What will be remembered is likely the time Rogue made out with Longshot and whatever resolution comes from her figuring out why she keeps killing Gambit.
In short, there are things in any story that are designed to move the plot along and there are things that are the focus of the story. Gambit is here to move the plot along. Rogue is the focus of the story.
Put another way, if Rogue were at the time dating Mags not Gambit then all that would have happened is KT would have created a reason for them to be pulled to Mojo world so she could explore Rogue's power issues and have her make out with Longshot. By contrast, if Gambit were dating Polaris then KT would have no interesting in writing a story about them because her focus here is not exploring Gambit. It is exploring Rogue. Gambit just happens to be Rogue's preferred Johnson at this present moment.
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I am sure KT's main focus appears to be exploring Rogue's powers and relationships and she designed the entire mini and ongoing for that reason. I say that because it is Rogue's powers and relationships that are the focus of the book thus far. Whether it be her control issues or her relationships with Gambit, Deadpool, Mags or Longshot, the focus here is in fact on Rogue. The fact Gambit does things to fill up the comic doesn't change that fact.
When this arc is over, no one will likely remember or care what Gambit has stolen because it is just something to move the plot along. What will be remembered is likely the time Rogue made out with Longshot and whatever resolution comes from her figuring out why she keeps killing Gambit.
In short, there are things in any story that are designed to move the plot along and there are things that are the focus of the story. Gambit is here to move the plot along. Rogue is the focus of the story.
Put another way, if Rogue were at the time dating Mags not Gambit then all that would have happened is KT would have created a reason for them to be pulled to Mojo world so she could explore Rogue's power issues and have her make out with Longshot. By contrast, if Gambit were dating Polaris then KT would have no interesting in writing a story about them because her focus here is not exploring Gambit. It is exploring Rogue. Gambit just happens to be Rogue's preferred Johnson at this present moment.
Ok then, like ive asked peeps before, do you like the focus that Rogue is getting, as in do you think the story has done anything of note for her character? For one second look with unbiased eyes at how her story is going and tell me if you think its any good for her character?
Honestly so far Gambit has looked the best, Twice in the first arc Rogue could have had her powers sorted she didn't, she gave Gambit an out and he stayed with her, she hasn't even told him that she loves him, Her and Mags isnt a big deal for me i knew it would happen and there will be a payoff from it, but people don't like it and see it as her sneaking off behind Gambits back, Rogue is a whiney hole about her powers its the same f***ing thing for the past 30+ years change the record, the focus and development of Rogue in this book sucks and im glad that the focus is on her because if that kind of focus was on gambit we would all be complaining about that.
Rogue may be KTs favorite and this book maybe a Rogue vehicle but she's writing a better Gambit while she is focused on Rogue so i say keep going
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Rogue is not a character I care about so I am probably not the best to judge. I personally think her story is repetitive and boring but that may just be because I have no interest in the character. It is obvious that some contingent or Rogue and/or Romy fans must like this as I am debating them over at CBR.
My beef is less about whether the focus is good and more about the writer making it obvious who she cares about. The fact she may or may not have executed her vision of Rogue doesn't change the fact her eyes are firmly set on Rogue not Gambit. Just like I may have thought Rogue came out looking disloyal during Legacy but at the end of the day she at least had a writer that was focuses on her.
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6 pages? Wow. Just got the book in my hands.
Ok, another enjoyable read for me. Extremely character driven opposed to saving the world but I believe this is KT specialty. Other than the Longshot bit this was mostly conversation. However that's been the M-O of this run. Developing their dynamics. Getting to know these two as a couple. It's new territory for any two people to be married opposed to anything else and it matters for them to be fleshed out in their new form before they are used elsewhere. I think this was a fine issue.
While I (me) would go down different paths for the story, I can appreciate where we are being led here. Rogue is still leading in terms of focus but I dont hate the character, so it doesn't bug me. I'm looking forward to the next issue. We've never seen much of real Mojoworld. Seeing Gambit experience it should be fun. Also, I want to see what KT comes up with for Rogues block.
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Yeah problem is it is not new. Same Romy story we have seen before. Same story regarding control of powers.
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I would like to state that if I actually hated or really disliked the book I wouldn't buy it. I've bought every series that Gambit has appeared in (like Legacy, ugh) until I knew he wouldn't be in it anymore, then I stopped. My purchasing habits revolve pretty much exclusively around Gambit appearances, so I think naturally my focus will gravitate towards him.
As a result I tend to compare the rest of the book with Gambit as the centerpiece, which is likely a different perspective from many others. Can I enjoy the book for what it is? Certainly, like I said - if I didn't like it at all I wouldn't support it with a purchase.
Seeing Gambit in combat is always cool - but he's not really doing anything that he hasn't done before. Even specific poses are callbacks to things he's done before. A lot of this series so far has re-tread familiar ground, and I'm still undecided if that's because it's being used as a plot device or if they're just cashing in on the nostalgia feels. Having to wait a month or more for issues feels like torture sometimes.
On another note, no 'I love you' from Rogue since XXM 18 is just plain tragic. That's like 15 years for us, no idea what it is in Marvel time... like 3? I wonder if KT will see this and just give her a full page spread of a pose and just those words whenever they finish what they are doing.
Edit: After reading other posts elsewhere like on CBR and Tumblr, I feel that I should clarify the 'I love you' thing. When Gambit says it, I don't think he's saying it just to say it, but more like he's putting an exclamation point on his feelings before going to do something that is dangerous, or wants to leave Rogue with a good memory. The last time Rogue said it was to put an exclamation on it, back in XXM 18, when Gambit was dying and she was being, as she said, 'selfish'. Hence the sour feelings about how long it's been since she's said it, and we know she's a runner.
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Called her that a long time ago.
Ran from home
Ran from the brotherhood
Ran from Gambit
Ran from the X-Men
Ran from Gambit again
Ran from Magneto
As much as she's a flying brick, she's something of coward when things get rough or inopportune. I suppose it fits her name. I think my favorite part of the issue was when they cycled through the different genres. It reminded me of the Edge of Tomorrow "maggot" scene. There are a lot of cinematic elements in the series and KTs writing. It's far from perfect but it's entertaining enough for me.
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Edit: After reading other posts elsewhere like on CBR and Tumblr, I feel that I should clarify the 'I love you' thing. When Gambit says it, I don't think he's saying it just to say it, but more like he's putting an exclamation point on his feelings before going to do something that is dangerous, or wants to leave Rogue with a good memory. The last time Rogue said it was to put an exclamation on it, back in XXM 18, when Gambit was dying and she was being, as she said, 'selfish'. Hence the sour feelings about how long it's been since she's said it, and we know she's a runner.
Last time Remy said it was when they were saying their vows apart from that its pretty equal actually between them, but never has he said it before doing something dangerous ,
X-Men 45 Remy say's i love you but real low cause Bobby's there, Rogue says i love you too and leaves him and the x-menUXM 343 Rogue thinking she's going to die shout's Gambit i love you ive always loved you, Gambit save's her and they have dialog which is that of Twilight even though it was before TwilightUXM 349 Rogue after z luv making tells Remy she loves him , twice and Gambits all emo about saying she can't because she doesnt know him bla bla
UXM 350 they both say it but Rogue says she love's him unconditionally then later leaves him to die lolXM 81 Rogue talks about her dream to Gambit where he say's he still loves her like she still loves him
UXM 375 Gambit tells a "dieing" Rogue he always loved her , he needs her to know
XXM 18 Rogues last time saying it
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Last time Remy said it was when they were saying their vows apart from that its pretty equal actually between them, but never has he said it before doing something dangerous ,
MMX #3, page 9 - right before boarding the enemy ship with Deadpool because their ship had no weapons. It stood out to me, so I had to go back and check, make sure I didn't mis-remember.
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MMX #3, page 9 - right before boarding the enemy ship with Deadpool because their ship had no weapons. It stood out to me, so I had to go back and check, make sure I didn't mis-remember.
didnt even look, i believe you, i stand corrected