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Title: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: andresa on December 31, 2020, 04:03:20 PM

Is his charming ability and resistance to telepathy still a thing?


These abilities have been forgotten. 



Is his charming ability and resistance to telepathy still a thing? Also his second manifestation of Death had him with totally different abilities. Something like turning others into death zombies or something?


There was this:
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And this:


(https://64.media.tumblr.com/f0497e01e86f690a61c388f170f0a9a5/tumblr_mnhkugXTug1qf8fkeo1_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: andresa on December 31, 2020, 04:05:36 PM

And these:

(https://64.media.tumblr.com/37fb3fbc01e8077e1b8f699707b0ac54/tumblr_mnhkp0DMDp1qf8fkeo1_1280.jpg)


(https://64.media.tumblr.com/ff75606cb399074d14fa68d5b4a6bd99/tumblr_mnhkph7GdF1qf8fkeo1_1280.jpg)


Then it was also forgotten.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on December 31, 2020, 08:45:29 PM
I can't begin to understand the precog thing, but if you want to go into theoretical physics... If his powers are actually New Sun's powers but watered down - then peering into possible timelines and alternate dimensions wouldn't be outrageous or beyond his power set... Assuming he'd have access to those powers again. He was meant to be a conduit to bring about the end of the world - if I recall correctly.


That Deathbit stuff.... That wasn't his power set. It was implanted in him or had his genes altered by the celestial machine - which if we're going by the nonsense that happened in DoX - isn't a thing anymore and isn't necessary to make horsemen. Horsemen apparently are just born godlike.


Leaning into either of these would have made more sense, but both would require Tini to actually know the character.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: anya on January 01, 2021, 06:28:09 PM
Soooo.... Apparently they changed Gambits powers. Something about manipulating "mutant energy" or magical energy... Interesting but hardly has anything to do with Gambits powers. Anyone else think this revelation won't survive outside of this run?
All the mutant magic this book was supposed to about was pretty much apocalypse stealing magic to make portals. Now the mutant magic is about combining and channeling ‘mutant energy’, which apparently gambit can do the same way he can kinetic energy. The concept of mutant energy seems dumb and probably won’t last. I guess at least it’s not a power downgrade.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: killphil on January 01, 2021, 10:41:59 PM

And these:


(https://64.media.tumblr.com/37fb3fbc01e8077e1b8f699707b0ac54/tumblr_mnhkp0DMDp1qf8fkeo1_1280.jpg)


(https://64.media.tumblr.com/ff75606cb399074d14fa68d5b4a6bd99/tumblr_mnhkph7GdF1qf8fkeo1_1280.jpg)


Then it was also forgotten.
Yeah, Gambit's powers as Death were all over the place and pretty Vague. Not exactly sure what all those abilities even were.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on January 02, 2021, 01:18:52 PM
All of that deathbit coming out to play and doing whatever based on Gambit's emotions was all Mike Carey. Can you believe it?! It was one of the few interesting things he did with the character and then dropped all ideas for Magneto and Rogue to hook up. pfft.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on January 03, 2021, 04:01:57 PM
All of that deathbit coming out to play and doing whatever based on Gambit's emotions was all Mike Carey. Can you believe it?! It was one of the few interesting things he did with the character and then dropped all ideas for Magneto and Rogue to hook up. pfft.


#&#&## Rogueneto! Man, Magneto is one of my favorite characters and he really made me annoyed with that. Can't believe he retconned his own story... Hey, it is what got me back into reading comics. Randomly hearing that Rogue and him slept together.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Toadman005 on January 04, 2021, 11:52:58 AM
Is his charming ability and resistance to telepathy still a thing? Also his second manifestation of Death had him with totally different abilities. Something like turning others into death zombies or something?


I think the charm thing was dropped because it's too #MeToo open for criticism. "GaMbiT's a MANipuLatOr!!!! REE!"
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on January 04, 2021, 03:29:55 PM

I think the charm thing was dropped because it's too #MeToo open for criticism. "GaMbiT's a MANipuLatOr!!!! REE!"
And yet all of the telepaths in the Marvel Universe are 'fine' with their intrusive powers via editorial or whomever is writing the telepath of the month. LOL
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Toadman005 on January 04, 2021, 04:32:03 PM
And yet all of the telepaths in the Marvel Universe are 'fine' with their intrusive powers via editorial or whomever is writing the telepath of the month. LOL


Haha yep!
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: andresa on January 04, 2021, 06:03:26 PM

I think the charm thing was dropped because it's too #MeToo open for criticism. "GaMbiT's a MANipuLatOr!!!! REE!"


Said by sad people inside their echo chambers who create issues in retrospect and deem everything problematic.   


And yet all of the telepaths in the Marvel Universe are 'fine' with their intrusive powers via editorial or whomever is writing the telepath of the month. LOL



Yet only Gambit has rape powers and is called sleazy.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: hairlesscat on January 04, 2021, 07:17:49 PM
I honestly don't think that is it. I think it has more to do with the fact that writers at the X-office don't seem to know diddly crap about Gambit or his powers/abilities and so they just get left out. See also: Gambit's resistance to telepathy. It's what happens when you hire shoddy writers that don't care about quality or continuity.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: andresa on January 05, 2021, 08:59:08 AM
writers at the X-office don't seem to know diddly crap about Gambit or his powers/abilities and so they just get left out. See also: Gambit's resistance to telepathy. It's what happens when you hire shoddy writers that don't care about quality or continuity.


I agree with this. But it doesn't explain why Gambit is the only one called a creep and sleazy while popular characters are excused for much worse. You frequently see his TAS scenes and random old comic panels being taken out of context to "prove" Gambit's a creep and to justify writers' lack of interest in him when, in reality, what they're proving is their own incompetence. Editors don't do their jobs, either.

Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Toadman005 on January 05, 2021, 11:50:22 AM

I agree with this. But it doesn't explain why Gambit is the only one called a creep and sleazy while popular characters are excused for much worse. You frequently see his TAS scenes and random old comic panels being taken out of context to "prove" Gambit's a creep and to justify writers' lack of interest in him when, in reality, what they're proving is their own incompetence. Editors don't do their jobs, either.


I'm convinced there hasn't been a proper editor at Marvel since the late 90s.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on January 05, 2021, 05:13:07 PM
When I ask "comic fans" what they don't like about Gambit they always refer to something that either didn't happen or some sort of headcanon implanted in their heads from watching the show. Gambit "the lady's man" never really existed in the books. The only glimpses we see of that incarnation are through flashbacks within his solos, so you know they aren't talking about that - cause they don't read his solos. Cyclops is 10x the sleaze. Wolverine would have died from some sort of STD years ago if it weren't for his healing factor, and Iceman is almost as "bad", now he's an equal offender having been with at least 3 dudes since coming out only a handful of years ago. Beast and Professor X have more of a dating history than Gambit at this point. But both are perceived as jerks these days, anyway.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: hairlesscat on January 06, 2021, 01:36:32 AM

I agree with this. But it doesn't explain why Gambit is the only one called a creep and sleazy while popular characters are excused for much worse. You frequently see his TAS scenes and random old comic panels being taken out of context to "prove" Gambit's a creep and to justify writers' lack of interest in him when, in reality, what they're proving is their own incompetence. Editors don't do their jobs, either.
They simply don't like the character. There isn't much more to it than that.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: hairlesscat on January 06, 2021, 02:12:34 AM
When I ask "comic fans" what they don't like about Gambit they always refer to something that either didn't happen or some sort of headcanon implanted in their heads from watching the show. Gambit "the lady's man" never really existed in the books. The only glimpses we see of that incarnation are through flashbacks within his solos, so you know they aren't talking about that - cause they don't read his solos.
In my experience, 99% of the people who don't like Gambit don't actually know anything about him at all. I actually find it quite funny.
As far as the lady's man thing goes, I think that Gambit has always been depicted as one in the comics. Women like him and find him attractive and he likes them too. Gambit is a ladies man, not a womanizer. I agree that most of his hookups were in the past, but I don't see that as a bad thing per se. I see Gambit as a man who could have a different woman every night and many girlfriends at a time if he wanted. And maybe in his earlier days he might have. But he's moved past that stage in his life and wants something more stable and meaningful now. Plus he fell in love. Yeah it sucks that the X-office is full of hacks who couldn't write ROMY with enough respect for his character. But it is what it is.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: andresa on January 06, 2021, 08:01:05 AM
When I ask "comic fans" what they don't like about Gambit they always refer to something that either didn't happen or some sort of headcanon implanted in their heads from watching the show. Gambit "the lady's man" never really existed in the books. The only glimpses we see of that incarnation are through flashbacks within his solos, so you know they aren't talking about that - cause they don't read his solos. Cyclops is 10x the sleaze. Wolverine would have died from some sort of STD years ago if it weren't for his healing factor, and Iceman is almost as "bad", now he's an equal offender having been with at least 3 dudes since coming out only a handful of years ago. Beast and Professor X have more of a dating history than Gambit at this point. But both are perceived as jerks these days, anyway.


Exactly. The traits used to justify the hatred toward Gambit are either inexistent or taken out of context. In the books, we’re led to believe Gambit is a ladies’ man without real evidence of his sleeping around unlike the cartoon, there’s that episode that Gambit arrives in the middle of the night, another one Storm says something about him coming home early in the morning. Also, his lines such as “You can drain my energy anytime” which were fun and went over your head as a kid are suddenly problematic.

Wolverine has been with a thousand partners on panel and that’s okay. Yeah, Cyclops is the worst. But again, only Gambit is sleazy, the same guy who’s been married twice.

In the rarely occasions we see him with some woman on panel, it’s always someone insignificant. He’s never been in a meaningful relationship with a relevant x-woman other than Rogue. There were some huge missed opportunities over the years.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on January 06, 2021, 09:34:28 AM
In the rarely occasions we see him with some woman on panel, it’s always someone insignificant. He’s never been in a meaningful relationship with a relevant x-woman other than Rogue. There were some huge missed opportunities over the years.


No sense in lamenting what could have been, but I will always mourn the Jean/Remy opportunity that was passed on. Polaris after that...maybe? She seemed a bit mean. Maybe he’d been better off with Danger. They had a vibe. Anyone else an Almost Coulda Been?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Toadman005 on January 06, 2021, 12:21:57 PM
As others have said, Gambit isn't a sleaze. He's a flirt, a charming, handsome, charismatic, magnetic guy who COULD have a girl every night, that every woman kinda secretly wishes she could have a one off fling with, he's tall, dark, handsome, charming, but, not a louse. He's had very few confirmed partners, and all of them less problematic than almost any Cyclops or Wolverine have had. Who would his most problematic one be? Candra? I suppose Genevieve? He's a guy who married his high school sweetheart Belladonna, and only left her to prevent a war, had very few confirmed sexual trysts, and then dated Rogue for years. He's a charmer, not a louse.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on January 06, 2021, 03:36:34 PM

No sense in lamenting what could have been, but I will always mourn the Jean/Remy opportunity that was passed on. Polaris after that...maybe? She seemed a bit mean. Maybe he’d been better off with Danger. They had a vibe. Anyone else an Almost Coulda Been?
Me too. Especially when Gambit sent Jean a message using what part of his 'charm' allowed him to send cards (and more than one, even if the same card) to her. I think it was a missed opportunity too.

And I always wanted Gambit and Polaris to hook up, I don't think she was always meant to be mean though she was cold. I chalk that up to the writer.

As others have said, Gambit isn't a sleaze. He's a flirt, a charming, handsome, charismatic, magnetic guy who COULD have a girl every night, that every woman kinda secretly wishes she could have a one off fling with, he's tall, dark, handsome, charming, but, not a louse. He's had very few confirmed partners, and all of them less problematic than almost any Cyclops or Wolverine have had. Who would his most problematic one be? Candra? I suppose Genevieve? He's a guy who married his high school sweetheart Belladonna, and only left her to prevent a war, had very few confirmed sexual trysts, and then dated Rogue for years. He's a charmer, not a louse.
Agreed 100%. He was never a womanizer, he was some serious eye candy for women and they liked what they saw. He always was respectful in my view.

edit: for specifics on the cards.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on January 10, 2021, 08:33:45 AM

No sense in lamenting what could have been, but I will always mourn the Jean/Remy opportunity that was passed on. Polaris after that...maybe? She seemed a bit mean. Maybe he’d been better off with Danger. They had a vibe. Anyone else an Almost Coulda Been?


Well there was Frenzy. But they had a past. I think it would have been better for them to foster a good friendship. Not much else you could do after the way what's-his-face wrote him freaking out after they kissed.


Cecelia was a fan fab possibly that went nowhere. I think the Polaris-thing is something fans wanted across the board. It was hinted at in at least two runs but ended much like the Frenzy (@&#& you, PAD). Of course there's the Sage-thing that was oddly dangled in front of us.


I agree, Jean obviously had the hots for him (see X-Men #1). Possibly even Mystique by the way she was always screwing with him - once or twice literally if that twin tease from Astonishing is to be taken seriously.


Black Cat could have been a fun friends with benefits. Would have been fun to see him pop up more in Spiderman... Not just his lore randomly being borrowed over there.


I say it again, I wish they explored the idea of Rogue's initial attraction to him possibly being influenced by one or more other borrowed personality traits, namely Danvers - but that's an unfounded personal wish of mine.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on January 10, 2021, 12:38:03 PM

Well there was Frenzy. But they had a past. I think it would have been better for them to foster a good friendship. Not much else you could do after the way what's-his-face wrote him freaking out after they kissed.


Cecelia was a fan fab possibly that went nowhere. I think the Polaris-thing is something fans wanted across the board. It was hinted at in at least two runs but ended much like the Frenzy (@&#& you, PAD). Of course there's the Sage-thing that was oddly dangled in front of us.



Oooh, yeah. I'd have liked to see G climb the tree that is Frenzy.


I'd forgot CeCe. Really, I was on board with G being with whoever, but it shows that the chemistry wasn't there in regards to Ms. Reyes. Though for him to go from someone he couldn't touch physically to someone who literally has an impregnable barrier as her power is not lost on me. Poor G has a type.


Sage! That would've been hawt.


And poor Belle, set up to get killed and then they bring her back just to make her into a trope. Insane jealous ex-girlfriend. I was glad to see her in Mr. & Mrs. X as not being a total psycho.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: hairlesscat on January 10, 2021, 02:55:40 PM

Cecelia was a fan fab possibly that went nowhere. I think the Polaris-thing is something fans wanted across the board.
Cece and Gambit never really had chemistry IMO. They always felt like a clumsy fanfiction couple. A writer just putting his/her two favourite characters together. But that may have just been down to the writing. I've never been a fan of Liu's Gambit or of her comic book writing in general.

I'm actually glad Gambit/Polaris didn't happen. Just because they would have reeked of "couple they're just throwing together because he's a man and she's a woman". We all knew Gambit/Rogue and Polaris/Havok are endgame for the writers. So that pairing always seemed particularly pointless to me. Complete lack of any real emotional stakes.

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Black Cat could have been a fun friends with benefits. Would have been fun to see him pop up more in Spiderman... Not just his lore randomly being borrowed over there.
Now, Black Cat would have been very exciting. They're both thieves with flirty personalities and an affinity for danger. I would actually love to see them interact in the MCU. Maybe she could appear in the Gambit D+ series?

I also agree about writers using characters from Gambit's stories. It's hilarious how Gambit's side characters are interesting enough to appear in other books and help them out, but somehow we are supposed to believe that Gambit himself isn't interesting enough to merit better stories and appearances. Yeah, okay. That makes perfect sense...
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: andresa on January 11, 2021, 12:51:28 PM
Gambit and Cecilia Reyes (who isn't a very interesting character, IMP) had the most boring relationship ever. It came out of nowhere, they were totally incompatible and Gambit was too nice (my only issue with Liu's Gambit). I'm glad it didn't turn into a romantic relationship.


I would've loved to see Gambit romantically involved with some relevant character(s), and it should be hot not boring.   
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on January 11, 2021, 04:11:18 PM
There was that date with Patsy Walker aka Hellcat that she completely tricked him into taking her out to dinner after frustrating him to no end verbally.

I think I would have been amused if it was a character I was at vaguely familiar with. I think it was suppose to be a different character and editorial changed it.

Guess its time for the 2021 thread. LOL   Which had been done, I used Dec 31st content to roll this thread. Enjoy.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: hairlesscat on January 11, 2021, 05:43:27 PM
... they were totally incompatible and Gambit was too nice (my only issue with Liu's Gambit).
THIS! Liu's Gambit is like a can of soda someone forgot to carbonate.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: RomeoSvengali on January 12, 2021, 10:38:31 AM
I don't know what people saw in Gambit being with Frenzy (she's not a likable character), Cece (she was boring) or Polaris (what real history did they have before he joined that team?). I heard that Claremont wanted to do a love-triangle with Gambit and Jean... but I hate love-triangles, they always become pointless and it doesn't do the characters, who are adults, any favors to be written as teenagers. Gambit and Sage always got along, they had good chemistry, she clearly enjoined kissing him, although she did have other reasons for doing that and I'm not sure that relationship would go very far.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on January 12, 2021, 01:10:50 PM

Oooh, yeah. I'd have liked to see G climb the tree that is Frenzy.

Sage! That would've been hawt.


And poor Belle, set up to get killed and then they bring her back just to make her into a trope. Insane jealous ex-girlfriend. I was glad to see her in Mr. & Mrs. X as not being a total psycho.
He actually already climbed Frenzy. Under the 'mighty pen' of Gage, it was confirmed in dialogue that they had more fun in the past and did more than kiss then wrote him freaking out after they shared a drunken kiss. Lame.

Sage did like kissing him a lot and I think Claremont meant to a triangle before XXM ended. The covers certainly alluded to something that was never followed up beyond fixing his powers.

I've always liked Belle, even if she was crazy sometimes.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Toadman005 on January 12, 2021, 05:40:12 PM
Years ago during his X-factor stint, I halfway worked up a Gambit/Polaris dark comedy toxic relationship piece re-working a JLA fight between Fire and a Gambit clone...wonder if I can find that anywhere....
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: wantutosigh on January 12, 2021, 08:38:29 PM
I always liked the idea of Gambit and Polaris together. Not exactly sure why but I did. I never really saw Gambit and Jean together but if they did it I'd be open to it. Jeez Jean would have all the alpha males vying for her.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: andresa on January 13, 2021, 09:38:55 AM
So... in Claremont anniversary special Gambit is possessive by the Shadow King nearly his whole appearance  :(
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on January 13, 2021, 11:15:01 AM
Don't buy Claremont special if you want to read it for Gambit fix. It is bad
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on January 13, 2021, 05:58:22 PM
So... in Claremont anniversary special Gambit is possessive by the Shadow King nearly his whole appearance  :(
There is so much wrong with this. I can't.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: wantutosigh on January 13, 2021, 09:43:13 PM
What else is new.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on January 14, 2021, 08:31:02 AM
And I always wanted Gambit and Polaris to hook up, I don't think she was always meant to be mean though she was cold.




I'm surprised at you! Polaris threw one of his cats into a wall! MEAN!


Also that's a DEAL BREAKER. Sorry, I'm 'shipping Gambit/Danger now. Yup, she has more personality and when he kissed her, didn't get into a snit about it. Was properly grateful.


Maybe Remy is just into mean women. I'm sure the writers intend for them to be "assertive" but I don't think they get it right. I just read "b***hy." Maybe that's internal bias I need to work on.




He actually already climbed Frenzy. Under the 'mighty pen' of Gage, it was confirmed in dialogue that they had more fun in the past and did more than kiss then wrote him freaking out after they shared a drunken kiss. Lame.




I thought the Frenzy relationship was established much earlier? I seem to recall her throwing at tire at him --- as you do when you run into your ex on the street.



Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Toadman005 on January 14, 2021, 09:27:15 AM
I've never thrown a tire at an Ex. Sounds like fun, though.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: anya on January 14, 2021, 10:07:29 AM
I don’t remember exactly, but I think PAD was doing something with polarization s dealing with bipolar disorder (hence why some of her behavior). It was a long time ago so I won’t swear to that.


I think the problem with cecelia was it was too rushed and too drawn out at the same time, lol. When astonishing started, they were already off panel super close, going to dinner every week, etc. so it was like they were already seriously dating, but not... Then the gambit solo hit and I guess Liu thought she couldn’t really write a ‘sell’ a serious relationship in astonishing when he was globetrotting around in the solo. So it stayed in the wired limbo holding pattern, with him as the perfect boyfriend, but not a boyfriend... it didn’t help that there wasn’t much chemistry l, so the readers (and other writers) weren’t clamoring for more.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on January 14, 2021, 10:58:35 AM

I'm surprised at you! Polaris threw one of his cats into a wall! MEAN!


Also that's a DEAL BREAKER. Sorry, I'm 'shipping Gambit/Danger now. Yup, she has more personality and when he kissed her, didn't get into a snit about it. Was properly grateful.
Aging - I forgot about that. I get it, deal breaker and it would be for me but I still would have wanted that relationship. Her fans were holding on to Havok. Maybe I saw Gambit as the guy to mellow her, instead of the sap we got now kissing Rogue's ass. (I'll always be in the anyone better than Rogue camp. How about dropping her off in Antarctica for a bit. heh heh)

Maybe Remy is just into mean women. I'm sure the writers intend for them to be "assertive" but I don't think they get it right. I just read "b***hy." Maybe that's internal bias I need to work on.
Maybe, he is married to Rogue.  LOL There is nothing likable about her for me. She is written to treat him like s*** so ... there you go.



I thought the Frenzy relationship was established much earlier? I seem to recall her throwing at tire at him --- as you do when you run into your ex on the street.
Yeah it was and alluded to in the animated series but never confirmed until the Mighty Pen Gage.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on January 14, 2021, 11:01:49 AM

I don't know what people saw in Gambit being with Frenzy (she's not a likable character), Cece (she was boring) or Polaris (what real history did they have before he joined that team?). I heard that Claremont wanted to do a love-triangle with Gambit and Jean... but I hate love-triangles, they always become pointless and it doesn't do the characters, who are adults, any favors to be written as teenagers. Gambit and Sage always got along, they had good chemistry, she clearly enjoined kissing him, although she did have other reasons for doing that and I'm not sure that relationship would go very far.

Frenzy is actually one of my favorite "newer" X-Men... so, I disagree with the "[un] likable character" thing. She's got more depth than most of the main X-Men, who more often than not stay with the team, not because they believe in the dream, per se, but because they need help or have nowhere else to go. Like Gambit and a handful of others, Frenzy chose to become an X-Man after feeling what it was like to be needed and be a hero during Age of X. She's natural adrenaline junky that just so happened to get her fix from doing "bad things". Once she got a taste of something else, she ran with that. It's why she became the JGS head of security (to protect the young mutants there, also why she was the first one to confront the Avengers in AvX), or why she allowed herself to be used as a martyr in hopes of the Inhumans using their resources to cure the T-mist cloud. On a smaller scale, she led a resistance team during that time Captain America was a Nazi (the @#@$ were they thinking).

The taste of heroism also came with heartache as she chose to hold onto the memories from AoX - which included a "marriage" to that universe's Basilisk, our Cyclops. At the moment she's serving as Krakoa's intergalactic ambassador in SWORD.

I mean, your welcome to like or dislike whomever you want - people like Fantomex, and John Campea thinks "no one" wants to see a Batman Beyond movie - but just generally saying "she's not a likable character" is a bit unfair. Indifferent - I could get. She basically disappeared after Carey/Gage runs. What's unlikeable about her? Personally, that's the first time I heard someone say that.Probably because she's as niche a character as Marvel has made Gambit... because I suppose they don't like money.To be honest - as a match for Gambit - I don't recall anyone rooting for it. They made mention of past history, kissed (twice actually) and that was that. Didn't know there was a following. I think most of us had issues with how Gambit uncharacteristically spazzed out afterward. But those were the Racky-years.


The Polaris-thing was a one-sided crush IN the books. She had a Gambit-look-a-like stripper at her bachelorette party. So, it was more fan-service /callback. Outside of the book, some of us just found it funny due to the whole Magneto connection. He did try to remove his head from his body as a distraction. As of X-Factor it's canon that Gambit is overall tired of "Magneto and his family" screwing around in his life.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on January 14, 2021, 11:07:49 AM
I don’t remember exactly, but I think PAD was doing something with polarization s dealing with bipolar disorder (hence why some of her behavior). It was a long time ago so I won’t swear to that.

That would have been interesting if there was actually space on the page. 20 pages isn't enough to do anything.
I think the problem with cecelia was it was too rushed and too drawn out at the same time, lol. When astonishing started, they were already off panel super close, going to dinner every week, etc. so it was like they were already seriously dating, but not... Then the gambit solo hit and I guess Liu thought she couldn’t really write a ‘sell’ a serious relationship in astonishing when he was globetrotting around in the solo. So it stayed in the wired limbo holding pattern, with him as the perfect boyfriend, but not a boyfriend... it didn’t help that there wasn’t much chemistry l, so the readers (and other writers) weren’t clamoring for more.
Good way to see it. So much stuff off panel, no story telling beyond the fight of the day.
Remember when writers wrote character stories? LOL
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on January 14, 2021, 12:59:33 PM
Frenzy is actually one of my favorite "newer" X-Men... so, I disagree with the "[un] likable character" thing. She's got more depth than most of the main X-Men, who more often than not stay with the team, not because they believe in the dream, per se, but because they need help or have nowhere else to go. Like Gambit and a handful of others, Frenzy chose to become an X-Man after feeling what it was like to be needed and be a hero during Age of X. She's natural adrenaline junky that just so happened to get her fix from doing "bad things". Once she got a taste of something else, she ran with that. It's why she became the JGS head of security (to protect the young mutants there, also why she was the first one to confront the Avengers in AvX), or why she allowed herself to be used as a martyr in hopes of the Inhumans using their resources to cure the T-mist cloud. On a smaller scale, she led a resistance team during that time Captain America was a Nazi (the @#@$ were they thinking).


100% agree. 0% disagree. I think she's a great character. Unlike a lot of remade characters, she's actually experienced a more natural growth as a believable character. I like that she is guarded of her feelings, is combative, that she's not a cheesecake pinup, she's vaguely androgynous (with the exception of that anime-looking garbage phase from the 1990s where all the women looked like size zeros with balloon breasts). She also believes things strongly. I think she's a badass. And she has a soft spot for Remy, so you know deep down she might have a passionate side. Or maybe, no one is immune to Gambit's charms!


The only problem I have with her ... is what is with that powder blue suit she's wearing? NO. Her role of ambassador is already doomed based on that outfit.


Her new hair is da sex tho. Hawt.



Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: anya on January 15, 2021, 11:16:20 AM
The suit is alright, the eyeshadow is terrible. ;) Her hair is awesome
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on February 06, 2021, 09:01:01 AM
Gambit got updated moves and skills for Future fight game.

https://youtu.be/I5TlRkWoYIU (https://youtu.be/I5TlRkWoYIU)


(https://hedwig-cf.netmarble.com/forum-common/mherosgb/futurefight_en/thumbnail/e8fa8effcd3242e7ac4fb33115141851_1612575221358_d.jpg)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: anya on February 06, 2021, 01:35:05 PM
I don’t know what that means, but it looks cool, lol. Are those other characters getting updates too?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on February 06, 2021, 02:20:15 PM
Future fight is a mobile game. Gambit had only classic costume in it.


Now he will have also Excalibur look and new skills with it.
Characters on poster will get updates too.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Varia on February 15, 2021, 01:52:47 PM

And poor Belle, set up to get killed and then they bring her back just to make her into a trope. Insane jealous ex-girlfriend. I was glad to see her in Mr. & Mrs. X as not being a total psycho.


Totally agree with this comment. Belle has so much potential as an awesome character but has been largely under-used and underdeveloped to play the psycho ex who can't just move on. When she tries, it turns out the guy's a traitor and/or she likes the guy purely because he reminds her of Gambit. She deserves much better, imo, and I was also happy to see Mr. & Mrs. X moving towards a more nuanced approach.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: wantutosigh on February 15, 2021, 02:50:40 PM

Totally agree with this comment. Belle has so much potential as an awesome character but has been largely under-used and underdeveloped to play the psycho ex who can't just move on. When she tries, it turns out the guy's a traitor and/or she likes the guy purely because he reminds her of Gambit. She deserves much better, imo, and I was also happy to see Mr. & Mrs. X moving towards a more nuanced approach.


It's a shame. Right where Mr. and Mrs. X ended is where I wish it began. It was a great set up for another story line.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Varia on February 15, 2021, 03:05:52 PM
Very much so. Hopefully, they'll delve deeper into it in the future.


I feel that written well, Belle could easily carry her own on-going series.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on February 16, 2021, 09:51:05 AM
Very much so. Hopefully, they'll delve deeper into it in the future.


I feel that written well, Belle could easily carry her own on-going series.


Uhhmmm... I don't think she has enough fan-recognition to carry a mini-series, much less than ongoing. Anything is possible and if Disney/Marvel moves forward with a Gambit-based TV show and let's say the character builds a following - then, yeah. I agree it'd be possible. Though I still doubt it'd do better than Ms. Marvel, Iron Heart, and the like. At the moment, the only people that would recognize the name "Bella Donna" are hardcore X-Men readers and maybe a couple of diehard New Warriors fans that remember her involvement with Night Thrasher.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: hairlesscat on February 16, 2021, 12:09:30 PM
I feel that written well, Belle could easily carry her own on-going series.
I mean, I guess she technically could. But I think some characters are meant to just be amazing secondary characters and there's nothing wrong with that. I think she is one of those. I'm not really interested in seeing her as anything else tbh. Not everyone needs a spinoff.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Varia on February 16, 2021, 02:24:29 PM
Yeah, I definitely agree that right now there's not enough of a base to make it successful. I was talking, specifically, about if she was given that build-up. There's a lot they could do with her role in the Guilds and everything surrounding that. It's about the potential that's there. I didn't mean they should just whip out her own solo title immediately. I can see how that wasn't clear. Sorry about that.

I also agree that not every character needs their own title. However, I do think that there could be enough to validate it for Belle, if done right.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on February 27, 2021, 07:48:55 AM
Just my fanart that I created for Gambit and Rogue week Celebration.
Have a nice day All! :gambit:



Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: winterwolfen on February 27, 2021, 05:59:13 PM
My God that fanart is crazy good purplevit  :smitten:
What's up with this gg forum, too many talanted artists puts my skill to shame, yhea my human anatomy skills suck 😂
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Varia on February 28, 2021, 01:00:03 AM
Love it, purplevit!  ;D
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on February 28, 2021, 03:18:43 AM
Thank you, friends! Happy that you liked :gambit:
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: RomeoSvengali on February 28, 2021, 08:06:04 PM
Gambit art
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/3oXJ9A (https://www.artstation.com/artwork/3oXJ9A)

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/N5Q4nJ (https://www.artstation.com/artwork/N5Q4nJ)

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/zAr0Vm (https://www.artstation.com/artwork/zAr0Vm)

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/L2G4QP (https://www.artstation.com/artwork/L2G4QP)

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/XBWaa3 (https://www.artstation.com/artwork/XBWaa3)

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/w8B1L9 (https://www.artstation.com/artwork/w8B1L9)

https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1698260 (https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1698260)

https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1704903 (https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1704903)

This got a lot of comments
https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1707085 (https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1707085)


Gambit and Rogue art
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/YeEny6 (https://www.artstation.com/artwork/YeEny6)

https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1688096 (https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1688096)

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https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1692067 (https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1692067)

https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1705439 (https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1705439)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Toadman005 on March 01, 2021, 03:48:00 PM
I need to do a new Gambit piece.


In the meantime, my most recent crossover fan art...technically has Gambit in it.


https://imgur.com/gallery/7jasMl7
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: remydat on March 01, 2021, 08:09:41 PM
Just catching up on this thread as haven't been paying attention lately.  As far as Gambit romances, wanted to chime in a bit.  Gambit and Frenzy seemed like a perfect rebound relationship that sadly Carey and Gage did not explore because they wanted Gambit to remain a chump for Rogue.  She was the blowing off steam type and if Carey had any actual interest in Gambit, it probably would have made more sense for Frenzy and Gambit to be a thing during the Age of X storyline instead of Frenzy and Cyclops.  That would have made the connection with Gambit stronger and a bit more natural given they did in fact have a past.


I am probably in the minority of liking Liu's Gambit and Gambit and Cece.  After the disaster that was Romy, I found it a nice change of pace.  I can see why some found it boring but quite frankly boring is good coming off of a hugely toxic relationship.  So I thought that whole phase in Gambit's story arc made sense as someone trying to gain a bit of normalcy after such a tumultuous relationship not just with she who shall not be named but the X-men as a whole. Having said that, in my headcanon, Gambit and Cece eventually decide to end it and remain friends as Cece and Gambit realize that a nice normal life simply isn't in the cards for him.

Gambit and Polaris would have made sense to me coming off of Cece.  She being more of a free spirit, a touch crazy and pretty much Gambit's type.  I would have loved to see what could have developed if X-factor had continued and especially with Quicksilver's reaction to the relationship.  Sadly as with most Gambit writers, PAD never really went all on on the character.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on March 02, 2021, 09:21:30 PM

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it probably would have made more sense for Frenzy and Gambit to be a thing during the Age of X storyline instead of Frenzy and Cyclops.  That would have made the connection with Gambit stronger and a bit more natural given they did in fact have a past.


The sad thing is that having a romance with Frenzy is the ONLY interesting thing Cyclops has ever done. Let's not rob the man of the high point of his life. But yes, all for some rebound action for our man and Frenzy.


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Having said that, in my headcanon, Gambit and Cece eventually decide to end it and remain friends as Cece and Gambit realize that a nice normal life simply isn't in the cards for him.


This is my head-canon as well. God forbid Gambit be with someone who doesn't abuse him. I liked seeing her at the engagement party. She is def Team Gambit. She made him feel respected, he made her feel sexy.

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Gambit and Polaris would have made sense to me coming off of Cece.  She being more of a free spirit, a touch crazy and pretty much Gambit's type.  I would have loved to see what could have developed if X-factor had continued and especially with Quicksilver's reaction to the relationship.  Sadly as with most Gambit writers, PAD never really went all on on the character.


Other than PAD's misstep writing that Gambit wouldn't care about a kid if she weren't a mutant (Georgia, snore), he treated his characters well. I liked the human-ness of that book, the weird sex situations, and Gambit was almost always in a state of undress. Polaris was learning from her teammates, listening to them. Gambit was the voice of reason. Pietro was acting like a person (unlike his father) and it was leading to a respect between Gambit/Quicksilver. Sad it just got cut off. Gambolaris could have totally been a thing. Still on board with Danger/Gambit too. He gave her all the feels.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: hairlesscat on March 03, 2021, 03:17:36 AM
I feel like a lot of Gambit fans during that time had an "anyone but Rogue" mentality. Which I get on some level. But I just didn't think that would be the basis of sound storytelling or an interesting relationship. Which reminds me of my biggest problem with current books: I miss the days when the X-writers did research about characters. I miss when they cared about continuity. Now it seems like they just throw things to a wall to see what sticks.  :(
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Toadman005 on March 04, 2021, 01:22:09 PM
I feel like a lot of Gambit fans during that time had an "anyone but Rogue" mentality. Which I get on some level. But I just didn't think that would be the basis of sound storytelling or an interesting relationship. Which reminds me of my biggest problem with current books: I miss the days when the X-writers did research about characters. I miss when they cared about continuity. Now it seems like they just throw things to a wall to see what sticks.  :(


A big gripe of mine. Writers who aren't even fans who don't know characters, their history, interpersonal relationships, "voices", personalities, etc, who write whatever they want after doing a cursory WIKI search on a character. One reason X-Men were so awesome back in the day was Claremont wrote them for nearly 2 decades....ONE person who could make sure continuity was maintained, and characters acted well, in character. I remember this one comic where Gambit is walking through the halls among students, and Wolverine just out of nowhere calls him out for being a member of the Marauders, and all but accuses him of being a cowardly, traitorous piece of s***...this, after years of them working together and being allies, during Liu's road trip run as well if I recall (in a separate title). It was clear the author had NO concept of their interpersonal dynamic, just read "Gambit, bad, lead mutant massacre party, m'kay, GOT IT!" Ugh. Such hot garbage.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on March 04, 2021, 01:36:26 PM
I think the mishandling of characters with large amount of built history is the problem with today's books. The current crop don't care what the history is, only the story they want to tell. It doesn't matter that it doesn't work for the characters.

Even back in the day when there were more pages, some missteps took place, my example would the total lack of reaction from Rogue when leaving Gambit to die in Antarctica. It wasn't address til the fans complained, then only a panel of two devoted because even back then 1990's, writers just wanted to use the characters for the story and not deal with the history. It was a start to the decline of character driving stories.


Fabian, Claremont and maybe a few others understood the history and respected it and worked with it while telling a story. That is what is lacking now. IMO.

My favorite things with Wolverine and Gambit is they had a rapport, I never understood fans who thought the only characters who had anything in relationship wise to Gambit was Rogue and Storm. What? That doesn't even make sense based on the history.

Wolverine and Gambit have gone on trips before, how is it possible to get the bromance between them so wrong. They've stolen the batmobile together for eff sakes. They went a trip to Madripoor and while dubious in trust, they still had each others back. Even PAD handled it better than most and he was terrible with Gambit.


It's so sad, I used to love this hobby so much.

Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: remydat on March 05, 2021, 02:09:11 AM
I feel like a lot of Gambit fans during that time had an "anyone but Rogue" mentality. Which I get on some level. But I just didn't think that would be the basis of sound storytelling or an interesting relationship. Which reminds me of my biggest problem with current books: I miss the days when the X-writers did research about characters. I miss when they cared about continuity. Now it seems like they just throw things to a wall to see what sticks.  :(


It is less about anyone but Rogue and more about after dating a certain type for so long, some people do end up going in a different direction even if only briefly.  So Gambit tends to fall for really headstrong, powerful and dangerous women.  Not just Rogue but Bella, Candra, Lili, Frenzy, etc.  Even if he strayed from that path it was normally because he represented the bad boy for someone else like say the Nun in his solo series.  Cece was completely different because she was not his type and she wasnt interested in him because he was the bad boy.  Made him feel less an archtype and more like a real person that wanted a break from all the drama that had been his life up to that point.

In my headcanon, Gambit seeing that he could have a normal drama free relationship with someone provided the basis for him to find his way back to Rogue and develop a bit of normalcy with her to balance the drama.  More importantly CeCe showed him he had worth beyond just being the bad boy or someone's guilty pleasure which allowed him to demand Rogue see beyond his faults.  Previously it always felt like he didnt think he was worthy of more.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Toadman005 on March 05, 2021, 05:28:37 PM
I think the mishandling of characters with large amount of built history is the problem with today's books. The current crop don't care what the history is, only the story they want to tell. It doesn't matter that it doesn't work for the characters.

Even back in the day when there were more pages, some missteps took place, my example would the total lack of reaction from Rogue when leaving Gambit to die in Antarctica. It wasn't address til the fans complained, then only a panel of two devoted because even back then 1990's, writers just wanted to use the characters for the story and not deal with the history. It was a start to the decline of character driving stories.


Fabian, Claremont and maybe a few others understood the history and respected it and worked with it while telling a story. That is what is lacking now. IMO.

My favorite things with Wolverine and Gambit is they had a rapport, I never understood fans who thought the only characters who had anything in relationship wise to Gambit was Rogue and Storm. What? That doesn't even make sense based on the history.

Wolverine and Gambit have gone on trips before, how is it possible to get the bromance between them so wrong. They've stolen the batmobile together for eff sakes. They went a trip to Madripoor and while dubious in trust, they still had each others back. Even PAD handled it better than most and he was terrible with Gambit.


It's so sad, I used to love this hobby so much.


Amen!


Gambit and Wolverine has a great bromance.


Gambit has varying degrees of chemistry/history/rapport with


X23
Beast
Psylocke
Marrow
Iceman
Bishop
Xavier
Banshee
and Cannonball.


He's hardly "just Rogue and Storm".
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Icefanatic on March 06, 2021, 02:08:45 PM
I think the mishandling of characters with large amount of built history is the problem with today's books. The current crop don't care what the history is, only the story they want to tell. It doesn't matter that it doesn't work for the characters.

Even back in the day when there were more pages, some missteps took place, my example would the total lack of reaction from Rogue when leaving Gambit to die in Antarctica. It wasn't address til the fans complained, then only a panel of two devoted because even back then 1990's, writers just wanted to use the characters for the story and not deal with the history. It was a start to the decline of character driving stories.


Fabian, Claremont and maybe a few others understood the history and respected it and worked with it while telling a story. That is what is lacking now. IMO.

My favorite things with Wolverine and Gambit is they had a rapport, I never understood fans who thought the only characters who had anything in relationship wise to Gambit was Rogue and Storm. What? That doesn't even make sense based on the history.

Wolverine and Gambit have gone on trips before, how is it possible to get the bromance between them so wrong. They've stolen the batmobile together for eff sakes. They went a trip to Madripoor and while dubious in trust, they still had each others back. Even PAD handled it better than most and he was terrible with Gambit.


It's so sad, I used to love this hobby so much.

They want to ignore or actively rewrite the past, to create a different present, for a future no one is going to care about.

There were always mistakes made by even by otherwise good writers, and writers who didn't know the substance of the characters they were writing. It usually happened during a fill-in arc or a guest appearance, and even then you'd have editors trying to massage it or other writers quickly moving to fix it. That doesn't happen much anymore because the ones that don't know or don't care - or both - are now in the majority. And those writers are often given lengthy runs so their failings become the new norm for the characters.

I'm currently reading four monthlies from Marvel: Thor, Immortal Hulk, Daredevil and X-Men Legends(and for Minis the Iron Fist - Heart of the Dragon mini). I'd recommend them all.  I'm on-and-of with Fantastic Four. That's the most Marvel I have read in years yet I still find most of their line outright unreadable including most of the X-Books. The X-Books I'd most like to be enjoying, Excalibur and Marauders, are generally crap. I've heard good things about some books like Kid Cable but I don't really care that much for the kid version and the book was just cancelled anyway so... I am just over the Hickman reinvention of the X-Men and their history. I feel like the X-Men are stuck in some alternate reality that keeps being passed off as the real thing. Too much feels wrong and the bad thing is it's not even good wrong but crap wrong. It's sad that the only X-Book I care about is rehashing stories from the 80's and 90's.

Sigh.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on March 09, 2021, 05:07:53 PM
It's all about culture. It starts from the top of the pile and leaks down. The current Head editor came from Star Wars by way of internal restructure - it's not like he asked for the change. He also came in just the X-Men were getting out from under the Inhumans, Death of X, etc. Books aren't pitched anymore. A group of editors (most like-minded) get together come up with some nonsense and assign/ask someone to write. I just today found out that Children of the Atom foolishness isn't even Vita Ayala's brain-child. A could editors (not writers) cooked up most of it and just put her on the project. For the life of me, I still don't know what the book is about!


At Marvel, it's 'story above continuity'. They are afraid of scaring off potential new readers (lol) by having their universe steeped in years of lore... you know, like how comic books have worked since the 60s. So, this is what you get. A bunch of new writers that aren't tasked with thoroughly researching their subjects beyond the last run or two. Since most of the new writers of the past 5 years are all basically the same flavor - the characters behave differently than they have until the point their new personality is the new norm. Which means they all sound and act the same, or how their most popular iteration from movies or TV do. It's how we ended up clumsy Gambit, clown Sinister, good-guy Daken, anti-hero Apocalypse, whacky Pyro, or X-Men that are somehow cool with being called Marauders...
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on March 16, 2021, 03:28:26 PM
Hey Don,
NicoPony wanted me to move her comments to the Xmen Reboot thread, its on page 1 but she had quoted you from here.
Anyway - heads up.

FYI All, the site uses the date method for threads.
Back to your regularly scheduled thread.   :gambit:
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: winterwolfen on March 16, 2021, 06:20:54 PM
As someone that's not into comics, I haven't been this invested into it since I discovered they made Apocalypse an anti-hero so not all is bad, it's not like he was a developed character to begin with. But I wish they could make a good gambit story
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on March 28, 2021, 03:57:21 PM
Don't we all.  :gambit:

But I wish they could make a good gambit story
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: hairlesscat on March 28, 2021, 08:42:48 PM
You know... love 'em or hate 'em, I think we can all agree it's ridiculous that we still haven't seen Romy on screen even after 20 years of X-movies. They are easily one of the most popular pairings in the X-Men universe and the Marvel Comic Universe in general.


It is truly mind-boggling to me how much we didn't get to see in these movies. It really shows the general lack of respect Fox had for the source material. They just kinda took the characters and did whatever they wanted with them.


Sorry for the random rant. Just re-watched X3 and had to get that off my chest.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: RomeoSvengali on March 28, 2021, 11:42:27 PM
Some Gambit art.

Gambit inks Ed Benes (https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/352cfe5b-183a-448c-9406-8263fe73ec92/defx3ni-04f0cda9-9d01-4e6b-adcf-81953597b05c.jpg/v1/fill/w_900,h_1342,q_75,strp/gambit_inks_ed_benes_by_digital_inkz_defx3ni-fullview.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOiIsImlzcyI6InVybjphcHA6Iiwib2JqIjpbW3siaGVpZ2h0IjoiPD0xMzQyIiwicGF0aCI6IlwvZlwvMzUyY2ZlNWItMTgzYS00NDhjLTk0MDYtODI2M2ZlNzNlYzkyXC9kZWZ4M25pLTA0ZjBjZGE5LTlkMDEtNGU2Yi1hZGNmLTgxOTUzNTk3YjA1Yy5qcGciLCJ3aWR0aCI6Ijw9OTAwIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmltYWdlLm9wZXJhdGlvbnMiXX0.-OJ1Id-RudYj7olP76zh5VEA7_SkCcaNFRcIoZPGzVk)

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/mD4O38 (https://www.artstation.com/artwork/mD4O38)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on March 31, 2021, 05:08:11 AM

Anthony Mackie is a fan of Gambit

https://www.reddit.com/r/xmen/comments/mgd5er/anthony_mackie_is_an_xmen_stan/
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on March 31, 2021, 09:22:09 AM

Probably not true but just sharing it.


Channing Tatum Reportedly Eyed To Play Multiverse Gambit In MCU


https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/channing-tatum-reportedly-eyed-play-multiverse-gambit-mcu/


Tatum could yet gets his chance to throw some superpowered playing cards.


According to our intel, one idea being discussed behind the scenes at Marvel is to have Gambit show up in one of the upcoming multiversal blockbusters, in what would presumably be a combination of fan service and laying more groundwork for the X-Men. Technically, seeing as the actor hasn’t yet played the character, Feige could also realistically hold off for a couple of years and have Tatum as the canonical Gambit whenever mutants are integrated into the mythology instead. But for now, we’ll have to wait and see what happens.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: andresa on March 31, 2021, 10:30:25 AM
Anthony Mackie is a fan of Gambit

https://www.reddit.com/r/xmen/comments/mgd5er/anthony_mackie_is_an_xmen_stan/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/xmen/comments/mgd5er/anthony_mackie_is_an_xmen_stan/)

During an interview for a movie Mackie did with Jamie Dornan, he said that Dornan looks like Gambit and should play the character. So nice to know he is an actual Gambit fan. 

As to the rumor, it's very unlikely (the source isn't reliable, either). Still, it’s cool to see Gambit coming up in rumors again.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on March 31, 2021, 03:57:25 PM
During an interview for a movie Mackie did with Jamie Dornan, he said that Dornan looks like Gambit and should play the character. So nice to know he is an actual Gambit fan. 

As to the rumor, it's very unlikely (the source isn't reliable, either). Still, it’s cool to see Gambit coming up in rumors again.



Yeah, Mackie tries to convience all his co-stars to play Remy ;D
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: andresa on March 31, 2021, 06:24:47 PM

Yeah, Mackie tries to convience all his co-stars to play Remy ;D


Well, his picks are better than most fan casting out there.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: hairlesscat on March 31, 2021, 06:47:24 PM
I think people need to accept the fact that Channing Tatum isn't going to play Gambit anymore. I don't see Gambit NOT having a large role in the MCU. As a result, Kevin Feige is probably going to want someone who will be able to play Gambit for years and years to come. Channing Tatum is already 40 and has aged a lot over the years. I just don't see it happening at this point.


Also, I'm not even sure why some people are so hung up on him. He was never even close to being the best choice for Gambit.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: wantutosigh on March 31, 2021, 07:28:08 PM
This the problem with all this "multiverse" crap they're doing now. We have rumors of every character and every actor attached to them to show up somewhere because "multiverse". Obviously, all these things are not going to happen.


This rumor is about Channing Tatum showing up somewhere as a cameo because "multiverse". It's not a rumor of him playing the MCU Gambit going forward. Like I said, there is a rumor for almost every FOX X-character to show up somewhere just because.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: hairlesscat on April 01, 2021, 09:57:39 PM
"Technically, seeing as the actor hasn’t yet played the character (https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/gambit-movie-reportedly-track-marvel-studios/), Feige could also realistically hold off for a couple of years and have Tatum as the canonical Gambit whenever mutants are integrated into the mythology instead."


This is the line in the article to which I was referring. I simply do not see this happening. He has aged out of the role and he wasn't even that great for it to begin with.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: wantutosigh on April 01, 2021, 11:47:21 PM
Yeah that's not happening. All these rumors are about actors coming in strictly for the multiverse to have cameos so the audience can get excited. I personally think this is a bad idea. What if these cameos hit so well that audiences demand that actor play the character in the MCU going forward. It's a potential nightmare for the studio. They should just be distancing themselves from the FOX characters and thinking about how they can work in their new versions of these characters.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on April 02, 2021, 05:47:40 AM
The only thing good about Tatum's interest was his enthusiasm. Not only is he too old now but his only real claim to fame is 'Magic Mike'.

Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Toadman005 on April 02, 2021, 12:16:10 PM
The only thing good about Tatum's interest was his enthusiasm. Not only is he too old now but his only real claim to fame is 'Magic Mike'.


Agreed. I loved he was a fan of the character, and thus would have trued his hardest. However, he's a potato head who cannot act, doesn't look like Remy, and is too old now, plus, he's no a draw anymore.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on April 02, 2021, 12:29:22 PM

Agreed. I loved he was a fan of the character, and thus would have trued his hardest. However, he's a potato head who cannot act, doesn't look like Remy, and is too old now, plus, he's no a draw anymore.
Yeah, that was great having an actor speak so positively about the character when the writers and reviewers were all negative.

*laughing* potato head. I remember when that first surfaced, he would have had to slim down for a more angular look.

He's been in some terrible films, GI Joe, Jupiter Ascending, 22 Jump Street - to name a few. IMO too. I'm certain there is folks who liked those films.

I agree - he's not much of a draw anymore.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: hairlesscat on April 02, 2021, 01:03:59 PM

Agreed. I loved he was a fan of the character, and thus would have trued his hardest. However, he's a potato head who cannot act, doesn't look like Remy, and is too old now, plus, he's no a draw anymore.
Well damn, bro! LOL!
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: wantutosigh on April 02, 2021, 04:24:49 PM
The main reason he's not as big a draw right now is because he put his whole career on hold to try to get the Gambit movie made.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on April 02, 2021, 05:54:29 PM
The main reason he's not as big a draw right now is because he put his whole career on hold to try to get the Gambit movie made.


Agree.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on April 02, 2021, 06:36:50 PM
Tatum had at least 14 movie projects between 2014 - 2019. And has an upcoming one in 2021 that he is directing. Respectfully, I disagree about his 'hold' on his career.

While I don't consider wiki some great source, it has listed everything he's done in that time period. IMDb lists more films for the time period.

The most popular thing he's done since negotiations was be the voice of Superman in the Lego Movies and do yet another Magic Mike film.


(Those years are the ones listed for the Gambit project that got abandoned.)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: wantutosigh on April 02, 2021, 11:55:56 PM
Tatum had at least 14 movie projects between 2014 - 2019. And has an upcoming one in 2021 that he is directing. Respectfully, I disagree about his 'hold' on his career.


I respectfully disagree with your respectful disagreement.


When Channing Tatum came on board for the Gambit film he was at the peak of his career and popularity and was poised for leading man roles in major studio films. But the film he was most interested in by far and was a producer for was the Gambit film.  He wanted that to be his big break as a big budget leading man role.


Films like 22 Jumpstreet, Jupiter Ascending, and Magic Mike XXL were obviously already in the bag by the time he was working on Gambit. After that he has like 4 supporting character roles, a bunch of voice acting performances and a few tv appearances. That's it. I mean, sure he kept busy, but he didn't capitalize on his star power at the time because of his investment in the Gambit film. This is just fact. And his directorial debut in 2021 is clearly after Gambit fell apart so that's irrelevant.


It also didn't help that after Gambit fell through, his passion project, he went through a sloppy divorce. Point is his career could be in a very different place right now if he didn't go all in with FOX on the Gambit movie.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on April 03, 2021, 05:26:03 AM
I followed Gambit movie and Tatum's situation closely when all this happened.
Wantutosigh is right about this.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: hairlesscat on April 03, 2021, 09:51:25 AM
Channing Tatum already HAD his big break as a leading man with movies like 21 Jump Street and Magic Mike. Those movies were huge, wildly successful blockbusters. He was already a bonafide, bankable star by that point. He didn't need the Gambit movie for that.

Sure, Gambit was a passion project for him. But lots of celebrities have failed passion projects and that doesn't stop their career. Movies get caught in limbo all the time. Look at Ryan Reynolds and how he struggled with Deadpool for years. He still got plenty of work and even raised his status in between. I think it is pretty unfair to blame an unmade movie for Channing Tatum's decline. Some people are meant to have long-lasting careers in Hollywood and others aren't. That's just the way it is.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on April 04, 2021, 07:43:34 AM
It's moot now anyway. He was never hurting for moola, Tatum had movies no matter when released. The ship sailed and with no fault for him. He tried. He had taken on producer role for the film and part. FOX was never a good choice for X-Men.

There is a reason the last movie was pulled one week after opening, I would not want a Gambit film go the way of Phoenix.


Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021,
Post by: bigbarda on April 06, 2021, 07:34:34 AM
I've tried to hate Channing Tatum and I can't. He's a very likeable actor who maybe can't headline a relatively unknown comic book movie like, say... no other actor I can think of? I think Fox's reputation for sub-par movie making would have sunk a solo Gambit movie unless it had excellent word of mouth or was sold by Tatum with the enthusiasm Reynolds sold Deadpool.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on April 06, 2021, 11:28:01 AM
The only thing good about Tatum's interest was his enthusiasm. Not only is he too old now but his only real claim to fame is 'Magic Mike'.


My thoughts exactly. At this point, I think Tatum would serve better as a producer, rather than playing the part.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: wantutosigh on April 08, 2021, 12:19:12 PM
https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/ryan-reynolds-reportedly-gambit-deadpool-3/ (https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/ryan-reynolds-reportedly-gambit-deadpool-3/)

Noooooooooooooo!
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on April 08, 2021, 12:37:45 PM
https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/ryan-reynolds-reportedly-gambit-deadpool-3/ (https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/ryan-reynolds-reportedly-gambit-deadpool-3/)

Noooooooooooooo!


Well...I admit, I’m a little scared. I’m just picturing that Shatterstar moment in DP2 all over again. Tho I laughed pretty hard when it happened, but then I’m pretty sure NO ONE’S favorite character was Shatterstar. ‘Shat’ is in his name.


Okay, trying to stay positive here, DP is in the MCU officially in #3. So really, Gambit could be the first X-Man to make it to the big screen in the MCU universe. No doubt there will be many jokes made at his expense, so we will have to gird our fragile Gambit-loving egos, my friends.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on April 08, 2021, 01:37:30 PM
I think it is not true or Tatum would have appeared in second DP movie.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Paneo01 on April 08, 2021, 05:46:41 PM
Channing has gotten in much better shape....he lost a lot of weight and got in shape during the pandemic.


 About to do another movie with Sandra Bullock. That being said....hes to old to play Gambit. Gaperd Ulliel (French actor) all the way
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: andresa on April 08, 2021, 07:55:02 PM
https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/ryan-reynolds-reportedly-gambit-deadpool-3/ (https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/ryan-reynolds-reportedly-gambit-deadpool-3/)

Noooooooooooooo!


Hope it isn't true. Tatum's ship has sailed a long time ago.


About to do another movie with Sandra Bullock. That being said....hes to old to play Gambit. Gaperd Ulliel (French actor) all the way


I honestly can't understand why this guy's name keep coming up. What a terrible, terrible pick for Gambit. Old, French and weird-looking. Gambit should be played by someone young, unknown and good-looking. Disney usually does a good job at casting decisions, so there's hope.   
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on April 08, 2021, 08:19:13 PM
Everyone looks young to me anymore. I felt like a real perv watching Friday Night Lights until I looked up Taylor Kitsch and saw he was only 2 years younger than me. Please don’t let them pick someone too young. I don’t want to come across as a pedo. Seriously, with the right accent, every dude is 200% more sexy. 300% if he’s funny too.


I honestly can't understand why this guy's name keep coming up. What a terrible, terrible pick for Gambit. Old, French and weird-looking. Gambit should be played by someone young, unknown and good-looking. Disney usually does a good job at casting decisions, so there's hope.   
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Varia on April 08, 2021, 09:08:34 PM
Okay, trying to stay positive here, DP is in the MCU officially in #3. So really, Gambit could be the first X-Man to make it to the big screen in the MCU universe. No doubt there will be many jokes made at his expense, so we will have to gird our fragile Gambit-loving egos, my friends.


At least in a film like DP it's less likely he'll be the only character with jokes made at his expense?


I dunno. I'm just trying to stay positive, too.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on April 09, 2021, 11:43:59 AM
 
I honestly can't understand why this guy's name keep coming up. What a terrible, terrible pick for Gambit. Old, French and weird-looking. Gambit should be played by someone young, unknown and good-looking. Disney usually does a good job at casting decisions, so there's hope.

 
RE: Gaperd Ulliel

 
Never heard of him but after looking him up, I agree. Hollywood is always casting people too old for parts, 20 somethings as teens, etc. Look at the film Grease, all of those actors were suppose to be teenagers, senior year highschool. Pfft. Fun film but none of them looked like teenagers.

 
Yes, younger good looking actor, unknown keeps the mystery and less likely to have a negative bias.

 
Re: Deadpool – never watched the films. Not only am I not interested in the character, I would prefer Gambit not be in a Deadpool film but that is just me.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: hairlesscat on April 09, 2021, 12:31:28 PM
Him wanting the character in the movie (allegedly) and him actually being in the movie are two different things. I don't think it would make much sense introducing Gambit as a side character in a movie about Deadpool. One thing about Disney is that they recognize and exploit potential when they see it. I'm sure they realize that Gambit could be another Deadpool (in terms of popularity and success) if they play their cards right. I think they'd find a smarter way to introduce him. But we'll see. Aren't these the same people who reported that other stuff about Tatum?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on April 12, 2021, 01:22:16 PM
Him wanting the character in the movie (allegedly) and him actually being in the movie are two different things. I don't think it would make much sense introducing Gambit as a side character in a movie about Deadpool. One thing about Disney is that they recognize and exploit potential when they see it. I'm sure they realize that Gambit could be another Deadpool (in terms of popularity and success) if they play their cards right. I think they'd find a smarter way to introduce him. But we'll see. Aren't these the same people who reported that other stuff about Tatum?
Agreed. Apples and Oranges at this point.


I don't think the source is credible anyway. One source and nobody else is rehashing it? yeah, okay, filler article for click bait, I think.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on April 12, 2021, 01:22:32 PM
Hmm... Put it this way... If Gambit ends up in the Deadpool movie there's no chance Feige will allow the writers/producers to damage the brand. It's why only the fringiest of fringe characters were heavily featured in those movies as gags. All the other characters were treated with respect or just made passing cameos.

Fringe characters: Bedlam, Shatterstar, Ajax, Negasonic, Vanisher, Rusty, Blk Tom, Copycat, Painkiller etc.


Mains (protected): Cable, Domino, Juggernaut, Colossus, whole XMA cast.


Gambit would fit into the later list. Used but held in high regard. Juggs got the hardest rub out of them, but he was also a villain - so, yeah.

If Disney plans on making money off of the Gambit brand - they'll protect it. Full stop. On the plus side, if Deadpool 2 is any indication, the 3rd will have a great budget. So any use of Gambit that is indeed protected, will undoubtedly look really good on screen.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Sparta on April 13, 2021, 01:17:42 PM
I'd go all in and give Gambit his own film right away. Disney knows he's popular enough and he has the narrative scope for 3 solo films. The lack of appearances throughout the Fox era gives him the advantage of bringing something new to the table. Don't make the same mistake that Fox did when they decided to introduce Gambit in a film based in the 70s revolving around Wolverine...where he ended up stuck in that timeline. Think bigger.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on April 15, 2021, 03:24:54 PM
FYI - Pop Marvel Zombie Gambit Vinyl Figure in shops on Wednesday April 21st.
(https://bbts1.azureedge.net/images/p/full/2020/12/ecb5b80e-2c8b-465c-8035-fc45f8613cfa.jpg)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Sparta on April 15, 2021, 11:06:04 PM
Funny, we've waited years for Gambit to finally get a pop. Now in the last 12 months he's had about 5 or 6. I think he's getting a black light pop as well.
He's popular and prominent enough in the merchandise world. Hopefully the MCU and maybe even a new animated series will help things.
I've given up on the comics, it's just never gonna happen...and no one one buys comics anymore, so he's better off getting a push in other media.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on April 16, 2021, 06:32:04 AM
Funny, we've waited years for Gambit to finally get a pop. Now in the last 12 months he's had about 5 or 6. I think he's getting a black light pop as well.
He's popular and prominent enough in the merchandise world. Hopefully the MCU and maybe even a new animated series will help things.
I've given up on the comics, it's just never gonna happen...and no one one buys comics anymore, so he's better off getting a push in other media.
Agreed. The writers they have are terrible. I don't like the direction or the lack of care for history.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: hairlesscat on April 16, 2021, 06:58:51 AM
I've been saying this for a while. But I think the uptick in Gambit merchandise and talk about Gambit outside the comic books suggests that the MCU has plans for the character.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on April 16, 2021, 07:14:11 AM
Funko told that Gambit and Rogue Pops were the most requested ever.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on April 16, 2021, 11:31:43 AM
https://twitter.com/Marvel/status/1383057643149885443?s=19


New X-Men team announced. Rogue is on it, which leaves Gambit alone with Tini Howard. Personally... I'm terrified. I don't like the idea of him alone with her because without Rogue, she may give him more stuff to do instead of safely being tucked away in the background.


No good can come of this... Perhaps because Tini is doing X-Corp and Rictor is getting a solo book, for some reason - Gambit will get stuck in limbo! Which is preferable to what we've been offered as of late.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Sparta on April 16, 2021, 12:08:33 PM
https://twitter.com/Marvel/status/1383057643149885443?s=19 (https://twitter.com/Marvel/status/1383057643149885443?s=19)


New X-Men team announced. Rogue is on it, which leaves Gambit alone with Tini Howard. Personally... I'm terrified. I don't like the idea of him alone with her because without Rogue, she may give him more stuff to do instead of safely being tucked away in the background.


No good can come of this... Perhaps because Tini is doing X-Corp and Rictor is getting a solo book, for some reason - Gambit will get stuck in limbo! Which is preferable to what we've been offered as of late.


I saw this coming a while back, Gambit in limbo is inevitable...and it's happened far too many times in the last 15 years to be honest. Always scrambling for a spot in a satellite X-Book. I don't see the point in him being in Excalibur, we probably have to rely on Duggan for table scraps...and he's trolled Gambit in the past, so...

I'm really hoping the MCU and Disney+ can do something about him, because in the comic world I really think he's finished.

Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on April 16, 2021, 12:30:29 PM

I saw this coming a while back, Gambit in limbo is inevitable...and it's happened far too many times in the last 15 years to be honest. Always scrambling for a spot in a satellite X-Book. I don't see the point in him being in Excalibur, we probably have to rely on Duggan for table scraps...and he's trolled Gambit in the past, so...

I'm really hoping the MCU and Disney+ can do something about him, because in the comic world I really think he's finished.


How things work, if Disney/MCU moves on him, then the books will push him and you'll have a dozen creators all of a sudden wanting to write him.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Sparta on April 16, 2021, 12:38:32 PM
Well that's what we have to hope for...

Btw, I hear this X-Men line-up is only going for a year? What is it like a rotating cast? If that's the case it's not really long term then...
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on April 16, 2021, 12:54:52 PM
Nothing seems to be long term planned. The OG X-Men were here to stay, until they were sent back. Uncanny X-Men Disassembled was supposed to be a X-Men restart/reboot, until HoX/PoX was.. Laura was meant to be the only Wolverine - until she wasn't. X of Swords of was supposed to be VERY different. Polaris was redesigned and made part of X-Factor, until she was made part of the X-Men. Who knows anymore?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on April 16, 2021, 02:05:27 PM
Rictor is getting a solo? SMH. Rictor??


This s*** is bananas.


How many books do we need with Cyclops and Marvel Girl!? Omg, hard pass.


It’s possible for Rogue to be on both teams, same for Polaris. If we have to have the Summers clan in every iteration of every book, why can’t they double up on Rogue?



https://twitter.com/Marvel/status/1383057643149885443?s=19 (https://twitter.com/Marvel/status/1383057643149885443?s=19)


New X-Men team announced. Rogue is on it, which leaves Gambit alone with Tini Howard. Personally... I'm terrified. I don't like the idea of him alone with her because without Rogue, she may give him more stuff to do instead of safely being tucked away in the background.


No good can come of this... Perhaps because Tini is doing X-Corp and Rictor is getting a solo book, for some reason - Gambit will get stuck in limbo! Which is preferable to what we've been offered as of late.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on April 16, 2021, 02:52:35 PM
Cool for Rogue.
I prefer Limbo over bad Tini's writing.


Where is info from about Rictor solo?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: hairlesscat on April 16, 2021, 08:39:18 PM
Rictor getting a solo? Why though? SMDH I really did stop reading at a good time.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Sparta on April 17, 2021, 03:28:06 AM
Why don't they give Nicieza a 12-issue Gambit series? Or even 4 issues...
I mean, they gave him Juggernaut which no one asked for.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on April 17, 2021, 11:12:15 AM
I don't want 12 issues. Go back to the days of minis with only four issues. Better content, no fluff or filler crap.

A couple of well written minis would be better than 12 issues which would contain a filler between arcs.

I'm not buying these books.

Gambit should have stayed in limbo after PAD's poor portrayal.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Sparta on April 18, 2021, 10:20:46 AM
A few Gambit fans elsewhere are hoping for Duggan to write him in Marauders or a guest appearance in 'X-Men'.
lol that guy ain't writing him...

Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on April 18, 2021, 10:40:35 AM
It is normal.People are just get desperate and frustraited over the years of bad writing.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on April 18, 2021, 11:00:02 AM
Basically the whole of Krakoa voted for Rogue to break up with Gambit. There had to be a Survivor aspect to the island, right?


Marvel didn’t have the balls to put Gambit on the roster for fan votes, they knew he’d win.


Maybe it’ll be the moment Gambit realizes Rogue doesn’t actually love him, and he’ll slink off all butt-hurt and Rogue can continue to be the Good Guy and Gambit will just never be Good Enough.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: wantutosigh on April 18, 2021, 11:55:49 AM
Basically the whole of Krakoa voted for Rogue to break up with Gambit. There had to be a Survivor aspect to the island, right?


Did this happen? I'm not reading this garbage. Are they going to break them up?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Sparta on April 18, 2021, 12:04:38 PM

Did this happen? I'm not reading this garbage. Are they going to break them up?


They won't be on the same team. Nothing official about their marriage ending, speculation for the moment.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on April 18, 2021, 12:09:52 PM

Did this happen? I'm not reading this garbage. Are they going to break them up?


Naw, I’m saying that the new X-team was assembled by island vote. Rogue got a nod, G-man did not. Obviously, he’s very unpopular, a terrible fighter, and lacks any kind of charisma. He’s getting his torch put out and voted off the island.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Sparta on April 18, 2021, 01:24:43 PM

Maybe it’ll be the moment Gambit realizes Rogue doesn’t actually love him, and he’ll slink off all butt-hurt and Rogue can continue to be the Good Guy and Gambit will just never be Good Enough.


lol, Christos Gage's run.
Literally no difference.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: wantutosigh on April 18, 2021, 04:04:42 PM
Well I'm in agreement with those who say being in limbo is better then some writer who doesn't like him or know him assassinating his character. I also hold out hope for Gambit showing up in the mcu or an animated series for future content. Unless they give Gambit a solo mini or something in the comics.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: RomeoSvengali on April 18, 2021, 04:20:58 PM
Limbo would be much better than being written by Tini and Duggan (the assh*le).
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on April 20, 2021, 01:00:18 AM
Limbo would be much better than being written by Tini and Duggan (the assh*le).


Never trust the Duggan.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on April 20, 2021, 09:04:03 AM

Never trust the Duggan.


Maybe Duggan’ll reveal that what we’ve seen isn’t Gambit after all! Gambit has been a pod-person the whole time he’s been on Krakoa! That’s why his dialogue is so stilted, why he has the personality of Velveeta Cheese. He’s a life model decoy created from the scum of a Krakoan swamp!
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: anya on April 22, 2021, 11:10:08 AM
Funny, we've waited years for Gambit to finally get a pop. Now in the last 12 months he's had about 5 or 6. I think he's getting a black light pop as well.
He's popular and prominent enough in the merchandise world. Hopefully the MCU and maybe even a new animated series will help things.
I've given up on the comics, it's just never gonna happen...and no one one buys comics anymore, so he's better off getting a push in other media.
Wasn’t there someone here who emailed Funko asking if they were going to make gambit or night crawler pops? They responded back that they didn’t have the license for those? So I guess once marvel let them make those pops, they made those pops.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: remydat on April 22, 2021, 06:57:30 PM

They won't be on the same team. Nothing official about their marriage ending, speculation for the moment.


More likely he just has Rogue cheat on Gambit and then Gambit will be written like a chump who just accepts it ala the whole Make Carey storyline where Gambit pushed Rogue onto Mags so she could bang him and get it out of her system. More than likely it would be written as Gambit's fault Rogue cheated.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: remydat on April 22, 2021, 06:58:04 PM
Always thought a good book would be Gambit and the Marauders where Gambit connected with and eventually led the clones of the original group of Marauders plus the original Sabretooth. You could then do flashbacks of that era and actually flesh out the Marauders more and have them come to terms with what they did.Story begins with Marrow asking Gambit to help her find all of Sinister's clone shops to destroy the Marauders once and for all and to help her. Instead Marrow and Gambit end up using the Marauders to help them try and kill Sinister and stop Sinister or any of the Marauders from being able to be created by Krakoa (haven't been following the books so don't know how that works). So Gambit and Marrow end up leading the Marauders in a conflict to take down Sinister.

 

 
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Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on April 22, 2021, 07:47:27 PM

More likely he just has Rogue cheat on Gambit and then Gambit will be written like a chump who just accepts it ala the whole Make Carey storyline where Gambit pushed Rogue onto Mags so she could bang him and get it out of her system. More than likely it would be written as Gambit's fault Rogue cheated.


We all know whatever it is that leads to their inevitable breakup will be All Gambit’s Fault(R).


(All Gambit’s Fault is a registered trademark of Marvel)


Rathe than a cheating situation, I kinda picture a baby-whiner moment where Gambit says something dumb like: it’s the X-Men or me! And then stomps off like a child while Rogue nobly assumes the mantle of righteous heroism.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: X-fan73 on April 22, 2021, 10:53:05 PM
I think it is okay for Gambit and Rogue to be on different books obviously, but again it looks like Gambit is going to be mostly unused by Marvel as a supporting character. If Duggan does go after the marriage, it will be just another example of the same type of dribble we have seen before. Everyone other than Reed and Sue Richard's can't be married. And Superheros need to be single. Who, knows.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Sparta on April 23, 2021, 10:57:04 AM


Rathe than a cheating situation, I kinda picture a baby-whiner moment where Gambit says something dumb like: it’s the X-Men or me! And then stomps off like a child while Rogue nobly assumes the mantle of righteous heroism.


That's pretty much on point on how he's written in Excalibur.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on April 27, 2021, 09:25:13 AM
I think they should have been on different teams from the get-go. They should be a huge liability. In a team situation - it's only natural that they'd put each other over their teammates despite the situation. It's why spouses are typically not placed under the same command. They more than likely report and live on the same base - perhaps the same regiment, but different companies. The fact that they were together didn't make a lot of sense.. heck, them being on Excalibur to begin with didn't work. It's not their avenue. Out of the two, Rogue works best - but Gambit just never fit. Not with the story, not with the writer's style. Marauders, Hellions, X-Force - all would have been a much better fit. I feel like I've said this before...
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on April 27, 2021, 10:05:21 AM
I think Gambit would work on Excalibur if the writer bothered to know the character at all. The Guild he grew up in was steeped in magical prophecy. His Tante Mattie is a voodoo priestess. He's pals with Doctor Voodoo. He STOLE THE EXCALIBUR from EXCALIBUR herself. And I don't know if it burned up with his New Sun powers, but he did have some lore crammed into his head by Sinister stolen from Ozymandius. He was even casting magic spells in the first issue of All New X-Factor.


Rogue maybe has some kind of magical connection through that weird hippie commune she grew up in (weak). But her role is to be BFFs with Betsy. You know, because they're so close.


Trying to make sense of Excalibur the book is not really worthwhile. Let's hope it's canned after July.


Gambit is chained up on the July issue. OH NO! How will he escape without Rogue there to help him? (the sarcasm is fierce with me today). Likely, he will be unconscious the whole time. I'm gonna guess some kinda spell that prevents a master thief (who finds himself bound in chains about every Tuesday) from escaping, but it's all the more likely he knocks himself out.


I'd like it if Gambit, who has completely isolated himself from friends and family in his single-minded commitment to Rogue, got bored of his house husband duties and took a walk around the island looking for some of his long-lost friends. And maybe realizes that his precog pals killed during his last stint as a Marauder aren't around. Then he can go over to X-Factor and they can look into it. They could solve the Mystery of the Missing Clairvoyants.


Or maybe Storm swings by the Lighthouse, says I got a bunch of teens to mentor and you're good at that, so let's jet.


He's not going to Marauders, I think Banshee is. X-Force is too gross and I don't want to see him get chopped up into hamburger. He'd have to do something bad or be out of control to end up with the Hellions. Likewise, while I am endlessly amused by Sinister, I don't want Gambit being used as canon fodder, eaten by zombies, chopped up by deformed mutants, or have his teeth pulled out. Given its horror themes, Hellions would probably kill his cats and there will be a whole Pet Semetery arc.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Sparta on April 27, 2021, 10:26:11 AM
Too many Gambit-haters writing X-Books at the moment.
Been like this for 20 years.
MCU and Disney+ are our only hope.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on April 27, 2021, 02:53:02 PM
I think Gambit would work on Excalibur if the writer bothered to know the character at all. The Guild he grew up in was steeped in magical prophecy. His Tante Mattie is a voodoo priestess. He's pals with Doctor Voodoo. He STOLE THE EXCALIBUR from EXCALIBUR herself. And I don't know if it burned up with his New Sun powers, but he did have some lore crammed into his head by Sinister stolen from Ozymandius. He was even casting magic spells in the first issue of All New X-Factor.


Nah, nah, nah. Not what I meant. Gambit can work in a magical-mystical book... not the @#@[email protected]$ that Excalibur has been about. Gambit makes fun of fairyland situations, he gets a kick out of it. We've seen that. The kind of supernatural book that would work with him is something with the tone of Midnight Sons or the last half of PADs X-Factor (Investigations). That and...  #[email protected]@[email protected] if you cant write superhero comics - you shouldn't write superhero comics.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: thjan on April 27, 2021, 06:36:52 PM

Yeah, I don't want Gambit on X-Force of Hellions for the exact reasons you listed, NicoPony.

Too many Gambit-haters writing X-Books at the moment.
Been like this for 20 years.
MCU and Disney+ are our only hope.


Yep, it really is looking like the only hope for comic Gambit is for Gambit to be important in the MCU.  Those same writers will suddenly be falling all over themselves to write him and say how they have always liked Gambit.


I kept hoping as time went by and people that grew up with Gambit started writing and editing the comics that he would get a place of prominence in the comics again, but aside from Kelly Thompson that has not happened.  I guess there is still time for that though.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on April 27, 2021, 08:15:05 PM
Yeah, I don't want Gambit on X-Force of Hellions for the exact reasons you listed, NicoPony.


Yep, it really is looking like the only hope for comic Gambit is for Gambit to be important in the MCU.  Those same writers will suddenly be falling all over themselves to write him and say how they have always liked Gambit.


I kept hoping as time went by and people that grew up with Gambit started writing and editing the comics that he would get a place of prominence in the comics again, but aside from Kelly Thompson that has not happened.  I guess there is still time for that though.


It seems deeper than that. There have been others that want to write the character. Asmus wanted another shot with a proper X-Men book but got stuck with that Inhumans book. Donny Cates publicly pitched his interest in writing a Gambit solo. Then Fabian... Well Marvel's Editor In Chief said all he had to do is say the word. I think that's or best bet (aside from the MCU insta-amping his profile). If Fabian got the nod even 3 months ago, we wouldn't know untill like... August, maybe? They'd have up to 4 issues done before they'd announce it.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on April 28, 2021, 10:06:49 AM

Nah, nah, nah. Not what I meant. Gambit can work in a magical-mystical book... not the @#@[email protected]$ that Excalibur has been about. Gambit makes fun of fairyland situations, he gets a kick out of it. We've seen that. The kind of supernatural book that would work with him is something with the tone of Midnight Sons or the last half of PADs X-Factor (Investigations). That and...  #[email protected]@[email protected] if you cant write superhero comics - you shouldn't write superhero comics.


TBH, I don't know what Excalibur is about. And when I try to find summaries/reviews on it, it seems no one else knows what it's about either.  ;D  I get what you're saying now. I want Gambit in the real-world where he belongs. Not in Avalon or Otherworld or whatever the hell. I have never been into high fantasy like LOTR, but I like Harry Potter, The Magicians, because it incorporates reality. Like, magic CAN be real, my owl just hasn't arrived yet.


I'm all for exploring different genres with superheroes. When it comes to magic, if there's no explicit rules, then there seems to be no danger/repercussions. If it doesn't have ties to the world, then there's no impact or growth for any of the characters trapped in Excalibur.

Now there's an X-Corp, which I wonder will it be anything like PAD's concept of a corporate sponsored X-Team, or do we watch X-Men write TPS reports?




OK, changing topic. Can we talk about Gambit's Gala outfit? For someone who likes pink, comes from NOLA, this looks more like his PJs (if we didn't know he slept in the buff).


I'm going to pretend that the shirtlessness is the designer knowing Gambit eschews shirt-wearing and not just because he was lazy and didn't feel like finishing his drawing.




Found some code mixed into your post*
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on April 28, 2021, 11:55:01 AM

TBH, I don't know what Excalibur is about. And when I try to find summaries/reviews on it, it seems no one else knows what it's about either.  ;D  I get what you're saying now. I want Gambit in the real-world where he belongs. Not in Avalon or Otherworld or whatever the hell. I have never been into high fantasy like LOTR, but I like Harry Potter, The Magicians, because it incorporates reality. Like, magic CAN be real, my owl just hasn't arrived yet.


I'm all for exploring different genres with superheroes. When it comes to magic, if there's no explicit rules, then there seems to be no danger/repercussions. If it doesn't have ties to the world, then there's no impact or growth for any of the characters trapped in Excalibur.

Now there's an X-Corp, which I wonder will it be anything like PAD's concept of a corporate sponsored X-Team, or do we watch X-Men write TPS reports?




OK, changing topic. Can we talk about Gambit's Gala outfit? For someone who likes pink, comes from NOLA, this looks more like his PJs (if we didn't know he slept in the buff).


I'm going to pretend that the shirtlessness is the designer knowing Gambit eschews shirt-wearing and not just because he was lazy and didn't feel like finishing his drawing.


X-Corp was supposed to come out a while ago but got pushed back. From what I can tell it centers around Corporate Espionage and how Krakoa is taking over industries - which is what I thought Marauders was leaning into, to be honest. It's another avenue someone like Gambit could easily guest star or become a regular in - buuuut it's being written by Tini Howard, so, adamantium-hard pass on that.


Again another reason why I think Excalibur is ending. With her over there and Rictor getting his own book (The Druid) - perhaps it's done but maybe at least a different creative team? Maybe when Bryan Edward Hill returns with Fallen Angels - he'll cast Gambit? The book of wasn't great but I dug the tone and it was the only book where Sinister after like himself.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on April 28, 2021, 02:42:01 PM
Don, where did you get info about Rictor solo book? I can't find it anywhere.


I hope Excalibur will end soon but it probably won't end till issue 25 or 27 that will be October or December.


Don't care for Gala but Gambit's look is boring. Probably just a wallpaper look for a wallpaper character that won't have even a line in a main story.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on April 28, 2021, 03:28:47 PM

X-Corp was supposed to come out a while ago but got pushed back. From what I can tell it centers around Corporate Espionage and how Krakoa is taking over industries - which is what I thought Marauders was leaning into, to be honest. It's another avenue someone like Gambit could easily guest star or become a regular in - buuuut it's being written by Tini Howard, so, adamantium-hard pass on that.


Again another reason why I think Excalibur is ending. With her over there and Rictor getting his own book (The Druid) - perhaps it's done but maybe at least a different creative team? Maybe when Bryan Edward Hill returns with Fallen Angels - he'll cast Gambit? The book of wasn't great but I dug the tone and it was the only book where Sinister after like himself.

Whenever my company comes out with a new "innovation", I ask myself: WHO ASKED FOR THIS RIDICULOUS/DISGUSTING PRODUCT?

Nine months later, guaranteed, it is discontinued. Marvel needs to ask: Who is asking for a magical book starring Rictor? Was he even magical a year ago?  (I don't actually need these questions answered, because I don't really care) Can the X-verse support two Magical Mutants books?

Here's the explanation for Gambit's future disappearance. He heard there was a new comic coming out called "The Trial."
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Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on April 28, 2021, 05:02:04 PM
Don, where did you get info about Rictor solo book? I can't find it anywhere.


I hope Excalibur will end soon but it probably won't end till issue 25 or 27 that will be October or December.


Don't care for Gala but Gambit's look is boring. Probably just a wallpaper look for a wallpaper character that won't have even a line in a main story.


It's part of a redacted image marvel put out about upcoming books. There was already a rumor before it, and then you can trace out the name of the book from the redacted title, somewhat proving it. I'll look for the teaser image!
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on April 28, 2021, 05:04:17 PM
Case in point... Modok is getting a TV show. All of a sudden he's got a brand new solo... MODOK.




MODOK.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on April 28, 2021, 05:28:03 PM
Again. It was just a rumor Rictor was getting a solo using the title. And then this image came out. You can see it under "Classified"

"THE DR" are clear at the top.

Not a definite, but it's something to look at.

(https://terrigen-cdn-dev.marvel.com/content/prod/1x/x_lineup-social-1920x1080_04_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on April 28, 2021, 06:07:49 PM
I thought it said “The Trial” under Classified?


Both are stupid names, lol.


What’s under the question mark? Is there a reason the artist would give it away?


Don, where did you get info about Rictor solo book? I can't find it anywhere.


I hope Excalibur will end soon but it probably won't end till issue 25 or 27 that will be October or December.


Don't care for Gala but Gambit's look is boring. Probably just a wallpaper look for a wallpaper character that won't have even a line in a main story.


The best we can hope for is for Gambit to not look stupid, so in that case, the new ‘fit is a success.


Colossus tho...his ensemble went over in a big, big way. If ya catch my drift. Kate isnt the only kitty to sit up and say: prrmeow?


Is MODOK a rip off of Krang from TMNT, or the other way around? I’d love more animated Marvel, bc if I have to watch the Teen Titans Go series again with my daughter, imma lose my damn mind. MODOK isn’t going to interest her. Looking for Groot to draw her in.

Also this just popped upon Marvels official podcast: https://open.spotify.com/episode/7KdMYN9ofeqMT6E3yMeDVA?si=7s6G2n-KTF-A1YoDN1D3_w
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on April 29, 2021, 07:00:46 AM
First letter is not D. Probably T or E. The Trial fits better then The Druid. But it still can end up a Rictor solo just with a different name.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on April 29, 2021, 09:17:16 AM
"The Trial" does fit better. I agree.


But I hope it does spell the end of the Excalibur book seeing as Howard is moving onto X-Corp. She could be doing two books but I wouldn't understand why with so many writers I'm sure are interested in writing Marvel's newest pet project. I have the same hopes for Duggan. Currently he's writing Marauders and Cable. Cable is ending - and while there's been no news about Marauders, we know he's writing X-Men.


My hope is that Gambit is moved to Marauders and the book gets a new creative team. I don't know if the above are books being added to the line, or taking over what's already there. If it's the former, then what? 3 or 4 writers will have 2 books each in one franchise?


For me, it's move Gambit or limbo. I agree with you guys and I've said as much before. Gambit would work better in Hellions or X-Force but I don't want him turned into a running death gag under a writer that will undoubtedly take advantage of it.


However, I doubt his death would be as simple as those on the Hellions who either don't have a lot of people concerned about them or have family that have 100% bought into the Resurrection protocols.


Rogue, hasn't seemed to buy in yet, neither has Gambit just with how they've carried themselves in conversations about Krakoa and it's future. Either one of them dying would have huge implications for the other spouse even with resurrection I don't think any writer wants to deal with. And I don't think anyone want to read more than once.


Similar to the idea of Rogue getting pregnant. It works as a conversation within a subplot, but it actually being a "thing"... Sounds like a lot to deal with in an action comic at this point.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Sparta on April 29, 2021, 10:34:55 AM


Is MODOK a rip off of Krang from TMNT, or the other way around?


MODOK was created in 1967 by Lee/Kirby. I don't know much about Krang's history, but TMNT were around since the 80s, so I'd say MODOK's got a good 20 years ahead of him.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on April 29, 2021, 10:35:05 AM
March Sales Estimates
10) Demon Days X-Men 1
21) Children of the Atom 1
23) X-Men 19
35) X-Force 18
37) Deadpool Nerdy 30 (one-shot)
40) X-Men Legends 2
43) Wolverine Black White Blood 4
61) SWORD 4
67) Hellions 10
75) Excalibur 19
84) X-Factor 8
88) Cable 9

Cable is cancelled already with #12. Not sure if X-Factor is cancelled but it is not solicited for July.
Excalibur is next X book with the worst sales so hopefully #22 on July will start it`s last arc and after it we would never see Howard writing Gambit again.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Sparta on April 29, 2021, 10:47:11 AM
March Sales Estimates
10) Demon Days X-Men 1
21) Children of the Atom 1
23) X-Men 19
35) X-Force 18
37) Deadpool Nerdy 30 (one-shot)
40) X-Men Legends 2
43) Wolverine Black White Blood 4
61) SWORD 4
67) Hellions 10
75) Excalibur 19
84) X-Factor 8
88) Cable 9

Cable is cancelled already with #12. Not sure if X-Factor is cancelled but it is not solicited for July.
Excalibur is next X book with the worst sales so hopefully #22 on July will start it`s last arc and after it we would never see Howard writing Gambit again.



So they're pretty much back to the same old numbers as pre-HOX-POX.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Sparta on April 29, 2021, 11:04:19 AM
"The Trial" does fit better. I agree.


But I hope it does spell the end of the Excalibur book seeing as Howard is moving onto X-Corp. She could be doing two books but I wouldn't understand why with so many writers I'm sure are interested in writing Marvel's newest pet project. I have the same hopes for Duggan. Currently he's writing Marauders and Cable. Cable is ending - and while there's been no news about Marauders, we know he's writing X-Men.


My hope is that Gambit is moved to Marauders and the book gets a new creative team. I don't know if the above are books being added to the line, or taking over what's already there. If it's the former, then what? 3 or 4 writers will have 2 books each in one franchise?


For me, it's move Gambit or limbo. I agree with you guys and I've said as much before. Gambit would work better in Hellions or X-Force but I don't want him turned into a running death gag under a writer that will undoubtedly take advantage of it.


However, I doubt his death would be as simple as those on the Hellions who either don't have a lot of people concerned about them or have family that have 100% bought into the Resurrection protocols.


Rogue, hasn't seemed to buy in yet, neither has Gambit just with how they've carried themselves in conversations about Krakoa and it's future. Either one of them dying would have huge implications for the other spouse even with resurrection I don't think any writer wants to deal with. And I don't think anyone want to read more than once.


Similar to the idea of Rogue getting pregnant. It works as a conversation within a subplot, but it actually being a "thing"... Sounds like a lot to deal with in an action comic at this point.


'Marauders' as a concept suits Gambit best, but Duggan won't write him, like you said, it'll have to be under a new creative team. That said, Marauders' sales aren't great, so if Duggan leaves that book, it'll probably end with him.

With Gambit remaining in Excalibur post-Gala, I have absolutely no idea what his purpose is.

Personally, they should do something with Gambit and Sinister, but that's far too much to hope for. Gambit to me is the Black Widow/Hawkeye of the X-Universe, espionage is more his setting, not fantasy.

Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on April 29, 2021, 12:03:13 PM
Rogue, hasn't seemed to buy in yet, neither has Gambit just with how they've carried themselves in conversations about Krakoa and it's future. Either one of them dying would have huge implications for the other spouse even with resurrection I don't think any writer wants to deal with. And I don't think anyone want to read more than once.


Would Gambit getting resurrected return him to his original factory settings? If so, please go ahead and Egg him. New Sun nuke Krakoa.



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Similar to the idea of Rogue getting pregnant. It works as a conversation within a subplot, but it actually being a "thing"... Sounds like a lot to deal with in an action comic at this point.



Rogue won’t get pregnant once she realizes she is gay for Polaris. When Gambit says: WTF, wife?  They can say he’s a white cis male homophobe and send him packing as an bigoted dinosaur. Or if he asks if he can play too, they’ll say he’s a perv.


Egg him I say! Have Cerebro glitch, and Gambit wakes up with no memory of Rogue, Apocalypse, or Clown Pants.





Personally, they should do something with Gambit and Sinister, but that's far too much to hope for. Gambit to me is the Black Widow/Hawkeye of the X-Universe, espionage is more his setting, not fantasy.



Has Gambit met the crazy new Sinister yet? I am dying to know his take. My theory is that Sinister is like Michael Keaton’s character Number Four in Multiplicity. He’s a copy of a copy of a copy.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on April 29, 2021, 03:06:01 PM

Would Gambit getting resurrected return him to his original factory settings? If so, please go ahead and Egg him. New Sun nuke Krakoa.



Rogue won’t get pregnant once she realizes she is gay for Polaris. When Gambit says: WTF, wife?  They can say he’s a white cis male homophobe and send him packing as an bigoted dinosaur. Or if he asks if he can play too, they’ll say he’s a perv.


Egg him I say! Have Cerebro glitch, and Gambit wakes up with no memory of Rogue, Apocalypse, or Clown Pants.





Has Gambit met the crazy new Sinister yet? I am dying to know his take. My theory is that Sinister is like Michael Keaton’s character Number Four in Multiplicity. He’s a copy of a copy of a copy.


That was an excellent post... however, I haven't thought, about clown pants in years. Thanks for that...


I don't know how a rebirthed Gambit would work... Cyclops has been resurrected at least once, but perhaps twice, and still doesn't have control over his optic blast.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on April 29, 2021, 03:10:59 PM
Just FYI of who's writing what, if those books don't end


Ayala - Children of the Atom & New Mutants
Duggan - Cable, Mauraders, & X-Men
Williams - X-Factor & "The ??? "
Howard -Excalibur & X-Corp
Percy - Wolverine & X-Force


Hickman - ???
Spurrier - Way of X
Wells - Hellions
Ewing - SWORD


What is that clown White (X-Men Group Editor) doing over there?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on April 29, 2021, 05:12:29 PM
I forgot about the clown pants too. It actually took me a few minutes to remember the issue. Oh man, that was a horrible story. That writer clearly did not like Gambit or he would not come across as perv.
I'll take a reset for Gambit. His character has been assassinated, nobody recognizes the character.
I don't know what J.White is doing. How is TH allowed to write the tripe she does.

I'm so done with writer dislike of the character.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on April 29, 2021, 06:05:56 PM

That was an excellent post... however, I haven't thought, about clown pants in years. Thanks for that...


I don't know how a rebirthed Gambit would work... Cyclops has been resurrected at least once, but perhaps twice, and still doesn't have control over his optic blast.


This just confirms what I’ve always believed and that Cyclops was born brain damaged.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: andrei on May 03, 2021, 09:56:14 AM
Problabily wont go further, but I reached Donny Crates about making a Gambit book. I still have things to do after Birthright but wanted him to know we could do it
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: andrei on May 03, 2021, 01:15:17 PM
And I get the idea of making him sort of spy, but... it seens it aint working for him either. I remember of hearing Kirkman saying spies never do really well in comics. So, my bet would be to move Gambit from Mutants for some time. Realyy would like see him more in touch with Sons of Midnight or any Magic team on the corner... X writers hate him and maybe giving him a new home, something like a Devil May Cry could work better and leave Mutants for years. Damn I would like to see him into new things, even a romance with Wanda feels better if take the point of being an outcast among the outcasts(xmen)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Sparta on May 04, 2021, 01:23:20 PM
Problabily wont go further, but I reached Donny Crates about making a Gambit book. I still have things to do after Birthright but wanted him to know we could do it


Really hope he gets his chance, I remember Cullen Bunn wanted to write a Gambit book too which was a huge missed opportunity for us. I think he would've been great.

Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Varia on May 04, 2021, 11:27:10 PM
OK, changing topic. Can we talk about Gambit's Gala outfit? For someone who likes pink, comes from NOLA, this looks more like his PJs (if we didn't know he slept in the buff).


I'm going to pretend that the shirtlessness is the designer knowing Gambit eschews shirt-wearing and not just because he was lazy and didn't feel like finishing his drawing.



In fairness, his costume seems to have a bit more creative flair than Angel's.


Emma looks like she found a lost colony of yetis, skinned their leader, and declared herself their queen in one of her looks...
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on May 05, 2021, 08:01:26 AM

In fairness, his costume seems to have a bit more creative flair than Angel's.


Emma looks like she found a lost colony of yetis, skinned their leader, and declared herself their queen in one of her looks...


I agree about Angel. Snooze. Emma did go big, got to give her cred for that.



I’m surprised at Daken’s look, it’s about the most boring of anyone. A suit with no shoes. At least put him in a pair of pumps. Why is he, of anyone, wearing a shirt?


Gambit is channeling his inner Vampire Lestat, I’m convinced of it.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on May 07, 2021, 02:56:48 PM

It’s “The Trial” of Magneto. Didn’t we do this back in the 70s? Another opportunity for him to appear the suffering heroic and superior; they know not what they do.

Again. It was just a rumor Rictor was getting a solo using the title. And then this image came out. You can see it under "Classified"

"THE DR" are clear at the top.

Not a definite, but it's something to look at.

(https://terrigen-cdn-dev.marvel.com/content/prod/1x/x_lineup-social-1920x1080_04_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Varia on May 07, 2021, 07:46:15 PM
Gambit is channeling his inner Vampire Lestat, I’m convinced of it.


Oh, he's exuding vampire vibes for sure!
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on May 09, 2021, 09:41:57 AM
So Marvel's pool of writers that may want to write a Gambit book;


Bunn
Asmus
Niceiza
Cates


That ain't bad.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: hairlesscat on May 09, 2021, 12:11:25 PM
So I was thinking about that rumour re: the Gambit Disney+ series. And I remembered they said it was like a western and compared it to Maverick. I hope we get to see Gambit being the master thief he is and they don't just paint him as a petty, two-bit con man. As he said: he is at least a 10-bit thief.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: wantutosigh on May 11, 2021, 07:21:33 PM
https://screenrant.com/x-men-characters-mcu-solo-films/ (https://screenrant.com/x-men-characters-mcu-solo-films/)

At least it's becoming obvious.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on May 12, 2021, 06:36:45 PM
G&R chatting up Stormy, see pg 2. Such the cute.


https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/hellfire-gala-previews-predictions-x-men-21/ (https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/hellfire-gala-previews-predictions-x-men-21/)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: wantutosigh on May 15, 2021, 02:27:23 AM
https://comicbook.com/marvel/news/marvel-x-men-the-animated-series-favorite-character/ (https://comicbook.com/marvel/news/marvel-x-men-the-animated-series-favorite-character/)

How do you vote on this? Do you have to have twitter?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on May 15, 2021, 09:54:07 AM
https://comicbook.com/marvel/news/marvel-x-men-the-animated-series-favorite-character/ (https://comicbook.com/marvel/news/marvel-x-men-the-animated-series-favorite-character/)

How do you vote on this? Do you have to have twitter?


I believe so. It doesn't seem to be on their Bookface.


I listened to a podcast recently re: Disney+ and Gambit in the MCU. The "sources" say that Rogue would be intro'd in Captain Marvel 2 and G-man would have a Disney+ show. And when the two met, Gambit would be the "good guy" (kinda) and Rogue would be the bad girl.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on May 15, 2021, 01:43:39 PM
https://comicbook.com/marvel/news/marvel-x-men-the-animated-series-favorite-character/ (https://comicbook.com/marvel/news/marvel-x-men-the-animated-series-favorite-character/)

How do you vote on this? Do you have to have twitter?
Yes, you have to have twitter to vote or comment. They want to read opinions from fans. I didn't see this until you posted. I'll check for the direct twitter link. I'll edit this post when I find it.


https://twitter.com/Marvel (https://twitter.com/Marvel)

I tweeted a gif of Gambit from the intro. The quote below is my tweet.

Quote
May 15th tweet
Gambit because he is the sexiest Xmen EVER. Everyone is 'thirsty' for him.
Yeah, yeah, should have said Xman - but I had already deleted a tweet because I forgot to add a comment. I'm done with it.  :crazy2:
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on May 16, 2021, 09:24:40 AM
Just want you all to know, I love all of y'all here. Talking here about anything is so much saner than anywhere else. I wish we were together more often.


I know it's hard with the lack of content. I'm about ready to join  our fearless leader in comic eXile with X-Men being so rudderless. I had high expectations coming out of HoX and PoX and even a few months in and then it turned downward gradually. I'd say Excalibur crashed and burned right out of the gate. First issue was horrible and very hard to read - never recovered for me.


I don't understand why Gambit got stuck there outside of his marriage - but if you have space for this nonsense, why not entertain the idea of a name writer that wants to write him not falling into a hole..?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on May 16, 2021, 10:37:04 AM
https://twitter.com/ValerioSchiti/status/1393226939830358016?s=20 (https://twitter.com/ValerioSchiti/status/1393226939830358016?s=20)


Valerio Schiti’s four fave X-Men include Gambit, and he drew a bunch of Gambits. Nice to see someone in the marvel club likes Remy.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: hairlesscat on May 16, 2021, 02:52:06 PM

I believe so. It doesn't seem to be on their Bookface.


I listened to a podcast recently re: Disney+ and Gambit in the MCU. The "sources" say that Rogue would be intro'd in Captain Marvel 2 and G-man would have a Disney+ show. And when the two met, Gambit would be the "good guy" (kinda) and Rogue would be the bad girl.
I watched a video that said the same thing a while ago. I would love for Rogue to appear in CM2. But the whole good boy bad girl thing seems like it should be the other way around. Or like maybe they should both be bad guys who meet and flirt as bad guys before both eventually find their way to the X-Men individually. But whatever. We shall see.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on May 16, 2021, 03:23:06 PM
I watched a video that said the same thing a while ago. I would love for Rogue to appear in CM2. But the whole good boy bad girl thing seems like it should be the other way around. Or like maybe they should both be bad guys who meet and flirt as bad guys before both eventually find their way to the X-Men individually. But whatever. We shall see.


I took it to mean comparatively “good.” Like still a thief so not that good, but not so bad as he’d attack and drain the life force of an Avenger. Wooing her away from Mystique would be exciting. Having Rogue take Cap Marvel down to a reasonable power level would benefit both characters.


 
Just want you all to know, I love all of y'all here. Talking here about anything is so much saner than anywhere else. I wish we were together more often.


C’mon Artax, fight the Swamp of Sadness! Don’t give up hope!
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: RomeoSvengali on May 16, 2021, 04:04:39 PM
More art

Gambit
https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1719546 (https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1719546)

https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1726440 (https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1726440)

https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1726715 (https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1726715)

Gambit/Rogue
https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1717527 (https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1717527)

https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1721545 (https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1721545)

https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1725598 (https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1725598)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on May 17, 2021, 11:03:38 AM
https://aiptcomics.com/2021/05/17/x-men-monday-106-gerry-duggan-interview/#jp-carousel-360197 (https://aiptcomics.com/2021/05/17/x-men-monday-106-gerry-duggan-interview/#jp-carousel-360197)


G&R teaser art from the Gala. Aw, they look so happy together.


Re: Jubilee/Shogo. Somebody build this island a freakin' child care center. They want to be "inclusive" and "diverse," but just like the US, they don't support working moms and don't pony up affordable daycare options or universal pre-K. DO BETTER KRAKOA. Name idea: The Kinder Garden. Montessori-like setting that encourages children to learn from the natural world. Breaking ground in 2021!



Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on May 17, 2021, 05:01:25 PM
Yeah... nothing like the Capitol parties in The Hunger Games.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: X-fan73 on May 17, 2021, 06:33:04 PM
This may be unlikely but doesn't it seem Rogue and Gambit are surrounded by their friends applauding them? And Gambit is embracing Rogue. Could there actually be a baby
 announcement after all? It was teased in the first issue.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on May 17, 2021, 07:05:35 PM
This may be unlikely but doesn't it seem Rogue and Gambit are surrounded by their friends applauding them? And Gambit is embracing Rogue. Could there actually be a baby
 announcement after all? It was teased in the first issue.


Think they’re clapping bc Rogue got made an X-Man.


Lol, someone said the same thing about Meggan bc of how it looked like her hand was on her belly. Everyone has baby rabies.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: X-fan73 on May 17, 2021, 10:03:33 PM
I haven't been paying close attention to the story. How are X-Men squads selected on their island?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on May 18, 2021, 08:06:13 AM
I haven't been paying close attention to the story. How are X-Men squads selected on their island?


Rose ceremony? LOL. I dunno, they haven't done it yet. Popularity vote I guess. Think this is Krakoa's version of Prom King and Queen.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on May 18, 2021, 03:07:38 PM
 
Just want you all to know, I love all of y'all here. Talking here about anything is so much saner than anywhere else. I wish we were together more often.

 
Agreed. Fan sites are disappearing and have been for years, with the big sites allowing so much negativity until extreme measures – its tough to find fan sites. At least we try, even if in small spurts.

I know it's hard with the lack of content. I'm about ready to join  our fearless leader in comic eXile with X-Men being so rudderless. I had high expectations coming out of HoX and PoX and even a few months in and then it turned downward gradually. I'd say Excalibur crashed and burned right out of the gate. First issue was horrible and very hard to read - never recovered for me.

 
Lack of content is an issue. We might have to comb fanfic and fan art for things to talk about.

 
LOL - the company would be welcome. It's difficult at first for comic eXile but I'm glad that I'm not letting the hobby hold me hostage to purchase books that are awful. When Gambit can't get me to buy a book, you know that book is bad and I've spent enough money on horribly written comics.

I don't understand why Gambit got stuck there outside of his marriage - but if you have space for this nonsense, why not entertain the idea of a name writer that wants to write him not falling into a hole..?

 
Agreed. There is no reason for Gambit to be in Excaliber, and he's stuck due to the marriage. Marriage is fine but with Rogue and her selfish representation its hard to hold the institution as a positive. And that is on the writer. IMO.

 
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: anya on May 20, 2021, 11:20:33 AM

Think they’re clapping bc Rogue got made an X-Man.


Lol, someone said the same thing about Meggan bc of how it looked like her hand was on her belly. Everyone has baby rabies.
To be fair, one of the writers said something baby news, but it will probably end up being someone completely random like the last baby hints were. Or it will be Jean with the 17th summer’s kid. Megan is decent guess though, because she’ll go back to limbo after Excalibur ends. It’s possible Howard was planning a baby story, but no way in hell Dugan let’s her write that now.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on May 20, 2021, 11:26:07 AM
Or it will be Jean with the 17th summer’s kid.


LOLOLOLZ


Excalibur is missing from the August solicits. So you're probably right, Excalibur is done for.


Meanwhile, there was a Gambit/Frenzy sighting. The two of them are walking into the Gala together on the Green Carpet in New Mutants previews. Please let Frenzy take Gambit to a galaxy far far away from Excalibur.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on May 20, 2021, 01:57:42 PM
It appears Rogue will be on a new team. Jean, Cyke, Wolverine (female), and a few others.

I won't be buying it and it appears Gambit is either in limbo or something.

Gerry Duggan tweeted the cover art for issue #2. (X-men).
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on May 20, 2021, 03:43:34 PM
It appears Rogue will be on a new team. Jean, Cyke, Wolverine (female), and a few others.

I won't be buying it and it appears Gambit is either in limbo or something.

Gerry Duggan tweeted the cover art for issue #2. (X-men).


Yeah, the full team is 7 people - Jean, Cyke, X-23, Synch, Sunfire, Rogue, and Polaris. Not the biggest of names - but as name-heavy as Marvel typically allows their X-men books to be ... because I guess they like testing how far a book can go before they reboot it.


Surprised you didn't hear about it before now, boss-lady
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on May 20, 2021, 04:10:26 PM

LOLOLOLZ


Excalibur is missing from the August solicits. So you're probably right, Excalibur is done for.


Meanwhile, there was a Gambit/Frenzy sighting. The two of them are walking into the Gala together on the Green Carpet in New Mutants previews. Please let Frenzy take Gambit to a galaxy far far away from Excalibur.


I hope not. I like SWORD but Gambit may be as out of place there as he was in Otherworld. Don't get me wrong... I like the idea of him in space - but as an adventurer or maybe a pseudo-space pirate scoundrel-type. I wonder if he's one of those empty spots on the info-pages in SWORD? Staff positions that haven't been filled.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on May 20, 2021, 06:40:13 PM
Unfortunatelly Excalibur is not dead yet and just skipped August.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on May 20, 2021, 06:46:35 PM

I hope not. I like SWORD but Gambit may be as out of place there as he was in Otherworld. Don't get me wrong... I like the idea of him in space - but as an adventurer or maybe a pseudo-space pirate scoundrel-type. I wonder if he's one of those empty spots on the info-pages in SWORD? Staff positions that haven't been filled.


well, no need to worry...apparently excalibur continues on, dragging our cajun behind it like that time my cat stole my whole pot roast from the pot, threw it off the counter, dragged it across the kitchen floor, and down the basement steps where she attempted to leave it in her bowl, to save it for later.


august is a skip month for excalibur, along with sword and new mutants. just to prolong it's demise i suppose. uuuugggghhhh. i also hate the idea of a mashup of new mutants and excalibur, as they both seem to be doing magic-s*** now.


the only magic gambit needs to be involved with is Magic Mike style dancing, preferably with lorna as an audience member.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on May 20, 2021, 08:31:33 PM
In my defense - comic book  eXile is something. I briefly scan stuff and don't read other stuff. I don't visit CBR, Newsarama or anything (those sites are toxic anyway). Let's be real, twitter is junk but its the only place I get info. Not a good source but is what it is ... I suspect I'll be behind the line always from now on. *shrug*


Yeah, the full team is 7 people - Jean, Cyke, X-23, Synch, Sunfire, Rogue, and Polaris. Not the biggest of names - but as name-heavy as Marvel typically allows their X-men books to be ... because I guess they like testing how far a book can go before they reboot it.


Surprised you didn't hear about it before now, boss-lady
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on May 20, 2021, 09:28:06 PM
Unfortunatelly Excalibur is not dead yet and just skipped August.


...I'll take SWORD. Please? Please?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on May 21, 2021, 11:01:15 AM
I am sure most X books will end soon or get replaced with reboots. If Gambit will ever get rescued from Excalibur then he would be in limbo or join a new team.


I doubt that current Marvel editors would give Gambit a solo book because since HOX POX he was only a wallpaper in Excalibur and has 0 panels with dialogues in any other book.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: X-fan73 on May 23, 2021, 03:48:49 PM
Weren't the X-Men on Utopia more than ten years ago? What the appeal of X-Men and isolation?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on May 23, 2021, 07:45:04 PM
Weren't the X-Men on Utopia more than ten years ago? What the appeal of X-Men and isolation?


I hated Utopia era. I’d compare Krakoa to the time when we were left with 198 mutants... they were all gathered together and were given something of absolution (except boringly trapped at a school instead of a magical island). A lot of characters get a re-set, more freedom for writers to do what they want. It feels a little like an doomed AU, but instead of AoA, it’s like an illusion of paradise instead of global apocalypse. I don’t hate the concept. I’m a huge fan of Hellions bc while it’s the horror genre of comics its consistently funny. If it weren’t for the weird humor I’d never buy in, I hate gore.


Unfortunately, Gambit doesn’t really get a chance at new exploration, he’s in a box. The major players who get all the attention and hold all the power are Magneto and Xavier. I do not understand why so many writers have such a hard-on for Magneto.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on May 24, 2021, 10:46:46 AM

Unfortunately, Gambit doesn’t really get a chance at new exploration, he’s in a box. The major players who get all the attention and hold all the power are Magneto and Xavier. I do not understand why so many writers have such a hard-on for Magneto.



It's the cape.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on May 25, 2021, 06:36:49 PM



It's the cape.



We know it’s not the shoes.


With Gambit, it’s gotta be the shoes.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: RomeoSvengali on May 26, 2021, 09:31:09 AM
The people at Marvel are like the people of Hollywood, they love pervs / pedos and terrorist (although in their eyes he would be a "freedom fight"), since he got smacked around by Nazis (everyone is a Nazis these days) and he pretty much fits both of those categories for them.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on May 26, 2021, 10:06:42 AM
Well, post-Gala, Mags will be on trial for murder. I hope Gambit is on the jury. Bring out the guillotine.


I'm sure Mags will have "noble" reasons for his actions. Besides, what's one more kill to his overall body count? It's only a crime to kill humans. He's done in plenty of those.


In other news, that isn't Gambit-related because there's no Gambit books:

Moira has Destiny's Diaries.



Except...didn't Gambit have something to do with that particular plot? Was he lying about their destruction?


The new as yet unrevealed book is "Inferno."  I loved the OG Inferno storyline because Goblin Queen is 100% that b***h. Alex Summers in a gimp suit. Sinister being despicably evil. Demonic possession and child sacrifice. All these things, and more. But if we revisit this theme with a Krakoa spin, do we HAVE to have yet more Summers family drama? Please please please be something different.

So Karma dies in New Mutants and I guess has the option to come back with her leg or not. So back to something I was thinking about earlier, if you can resurrect yourself and have a choice, WHY would Cyclops choose to be brain damaged? And if Gambit got Egged, he could totally come back un-lobotomized.



Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: anya on May 26, 2021, 10:38:25 AM
He couldn’t  be lying, we saw him blow up the books on panel. Whether or not Hickman bother with an explanation, we’ll see...
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on May 26, 2021, 11:01:02 AM
Remy got back missed part of brain by Sinister. Probably got completely un-lobotomized by Faiza in Gambit #17 but it never was used later or explained. Because no writer cared.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on May 26, 2021, 01:18:08 PM
He couldn’t  be lying, we saw him blow up the books on panel. Whether or not Hickman bother with an explanation, we’ll see...


Rats, I think it happens in X-Men #202 Endangered Species and just happens that is not a book I own. 201, check. 203. Yup. No 202. Anyway...maybe it was a sleight of hand?  ;D  If it was drawn by Ramos or Bachalo it's anyone's guess what is going on at any particular time because the art is just so nonsensical and horrendous.


Remy got back missed part of brain by Sinister. Probably got completely un-lobotomized by Faiza in Gambit #17 but it never was used later or explained. Because no writer cared.


Asmus was hobbled, not allowed to have Gambit do anything, interact with anyone, or become too interesting lest it have any impact at all in the rest of the universe. It was left vague just what G was capable of.


Is it too much to hope that Gambit would be involved in Inferno? Wishful thinking, considering the author. But if it involves Mystique, the Diaries, Destiny and Sinister...


Sinister is cooking up babies over in Hellions. He and Destiny had worked together on Black Womb. The Inferno arc, at least the 80s version, had to do with babies. The upcoming one has a baby in the teaser art. C'mon, man. Mystique and Gambit team-up round two! What could possibly go wrong?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on May 27, 2021, 07:05:43 AM
Problabily wont go further, but I reached Donny Crates about making a Gambit book. I still have things to do after Birthright but wanted him to know we could do it


Good luck! You are very talented.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on May 27, 2021, 07:07:17 AM

Rats, I think it happens in X-Men #202 Endangered Species and just happens that is not a book I own. 201, check. 203. Yup. No 202. Anyway...maybe it was a sleight of hand?  ;D  If it was drawn by Ramos or Bachalo it's anyone's guess what is going on at any particular time because the art is just so nonsensical and horrendous.



Asmus was hobbled, not allowed to have Gambit do anything, interact with anyone, or become too interesting lest it have any impact at all in the rest of the universe. It was left vague just what G was capable of.


Is it too much to hope that Gambit would be involved in Inferno? Wishful thinking, considering the author. But if it involves Mystique, the Diaries, Destiny and Sinister...


Sinister is cooking up babies over in Hellions. He and Destiny had worked together on Black Womb. The Inferno arc, at least the 80s version, had to do with babies. The upcoming one has a baby in the teaser art. C'mon, man. Mystique and Gambit team-up round two! What could possibly go wrong?


Don`t want to be a negative one but I don`t expect anything good for Gambit at all. Hickman marked characters that he wants to use. Remy is not one of them.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on May 27, 2021, 10:06:18 AM

Don`t want to be a negative one but I don`t expect anything good for Gambit at all. Hickman marked characters that he wants to use. Remy is not one of them.


yeah yeah i know. it's going to be the same five characters featured in every major storyline regarding "the fate of mutantkind." but it's fun to imagine how easily Gambit could play in this storyline.



Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on May 27, 2021, 10:35:40 AM

yeah yeah i know. it's going to be the same five characters featured in every major storyline regarding "the fate of mutantkind." but it's fun to imagine how easily Gambit could play in this storyline.


Yeah, I agree. The only hope is that some writer would want to write Gambit and get him for a new project. Like Duggan chose Rogue for his new X-Men team. If Hickman continued to write a new X-Men team then it would be for sure Monet on team instead of Rogue like in HOX POX and even Swords of X event.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: anya on May 27, 2021, 11:15:55 AM
Nico- I thought he destroyed the diaries in Messiah Complex, I think? When he was with Sinister pretending to be a maurader. He acted like it was an accident because another maurader threw off his aim
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on May 27, 2021, 01:29:11 PM

Yeah, I agree. The only hope is that some writer would want to write Gambit and get him for a new project. Like Duggan chose Rogue for his new X-Men team. If Hickman continued to write a new X-Men team then it would be for sure Monet on team instead of Rogue like in HOX POX and even Swords of X event.


Probably would have been a half-decent X-Men team - the strike team from HoX;


Cyclops
Jean
Wolverine
Nightcrawler
Mystique
Archangel
M
Husk


Still don't understand why Archangel and Husk were there. I don't see how wings help inside of a space station and I'm sure there are X-Men with more experience than Husk. This was a "wet-work"/ demolition mission. I don't see how she was going to be useful with her mentality. M is a multi-tool but again - I think there were others available. Colossus (walking tank that can withstand the vacuum of space and extreme heat), Magik (teleporting sociopath, great escape plan), and Iceman (could probably take down the whole facility, and survive in space while in ice-form... probably wouldn't fare well outside that close to the sun, though) probably would have been more useful.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on May 28, 2021, 03:27:57 PM
Nico- I thought he destroyed the diaries in Messiah Complex, I think? When he was with Sinister pretending to be a maurader. He acted like it was an accident because another maurader threw off his aim


Yes, that’s what I vaguely remember too. 2007, me and Marvel Comics were ON A BREAK at the time.


Yeah, I agree. The only hope is that some writer would want to write Gambit and get him for a new project. Like Duggan chose Rogue for his new X-Men team. If Hickman continued to write a new X-Men team then it would be for sure Monet on team instead of Rogue like in HOX POX and even Swords of X event.


Leah Williams will need something to do after Magneto’s Trial. Shrugs.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on May 31, 2021, 02:25:33 PM
So, I put up a poll in a FB X-Men group I joined just to see where everyones head is at. It's 17k group. I ask what characters are most miss-casted in the books and by far Gambit is in the lead.


https://www.facebook.com/groups/WeLoveTheXmen/permalink/2986524471604990/
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on June 02, 2021, 02:09:18 PM
Good grief.

So much lack of Gambit, we'll have too read fanfic.  :crazy2:
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on June 02, 2021, 02:36:48 PM
Good grief.

So much lack of Gambit, we'll have too read fanfic.  :crazy2:


AppleJ wrote this a couple months back. Thought it was pretty good.


https://www.archiveofourown.org/works/28944381
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on June 02, 2021, 06:14:40 PM

AppleJ wrote this a couple months back. Thought it was pretty good.


https://www.archiveofourown.org/works/28944381 (https://www.archiveofourown.org/works/28944381)


I love that story. It is ::chef’s kiss::


I’ve been digging EightyTwo’s MMX series. https://www.fanfiction.net/u/14850532/EightyTwo (https://www.fanfiction.net/u/14850532/EightyTwo)


Don’t think there’s been any Gambit sans Rogue stories written since 2015. Unless you want Gambit/Pietro stories....


admin edit for crazy site formatting. Silly site. Neko
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on June 02, 2021, 06:16:04 PM
NicoPony has works on AO3 too.

https://archiveofourown.org/users/NicoPony (https://archiveofourown.org/users/NicoPony)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on June 03, 2021, 07:49:22 AM
The Gala event kicked off yesterday. I heard that there was some ROMY wallpaper in a few panels, but since I only tune in to Hellions, I didn't see it. It makes sense Gambit would avoid Sinister at a party.


I did have an epiphany though.

Krakoa is an allegory for the COVID Pandemic.


Mutants living in isolation.
Trapped with family members they are completely sick of seeing.
Nothing has happened for a year.
Birth rate plummets (sorry Gambit, no babies for you).
No available childcare (sorry Jubes, no telling the long-term impact on Shogo's development will be).
Alcohol consumption increases (Tiki bar anyone? It's 10 am somewhere).
Nothing to do but get horned up watching Bridgerton.
Rise in autocratic leadership.
Election held that a quarter of the population will claim to be fraudulent.
A big party turns into a super-spreader event (Beast does not follow proper hand-washing procedure).
The event is a costume party where everyone shows up dressed as a version of the Tiger King.


IT ALL MAKES SENSE TO ME NOW.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on June 03, 2021, 08:43:52 AM
The Gala event kicked off yesterday. I heard that there was some ROMY wallpaper in a few panels, but since I only tune in to Hellions, I didn't see it. It makes sense Gambit would avoid Sinister at a party.



To that same effect, you'd think the same thing about Apocalypse too? I can see why he stuck around. Rogue was in "hurt" but what reason would he want to stay around him, and by extension his wife? You think if I had beef with some dude, my wife would be like: "Cool honey, do your thing - but I'm going to stick around and see what happens". That's not a failing of the character or franchise. That's a writer forcing a narrative and editorial staff not caring enough to pull back annoyingly inaccurate ideas that just don't work.


I never liked the fact that historically the X-Men have only by one demo - but I understood it - at least to a point. The hobby was vastly supported and patronized by a specific demographic. If only that demo is reading - chances are the same demo would end up producing it later. That makes sense with anything. Music genre, food, etc. But that hasn't been the case for a couple of decades now. I know for a fact people from all walks and ilks have pitched to write the X-Men - mostly after XTAS created millions of new reading fans (something the movies never did). Yet somehow the X-Men didn't get their first full-time woman writer until Liu's 2012 books (X-23 & Astonishing X-Men) and black writer until 2019 with Bryan E Hill.


To their credit - they did employ Fabian Nicieza heavily from the 90s into the 00s. You might be able to argue the pool was shallow in the 90s - but until the 10s? At this point, it's not a shallow talent pool problem - it's hiring habits. People naturally put on people that they know - and people tend to know others similar to themselves. That's why HR is supposed to step in to make sure this doesn't become a trend, esp in large corporations. This problem continues today in comics.


Why I bring all this up? Simple. For the word "overcorrection". Marvel isn't stupid. It's not hard to stand back and look at the company and see that this inclusion and diversity effort is new territory for them. Before they got jumped on they took what arguably is their biggest franchise and flooded it with individuals that would better suit their narrative. I have zero problems with people getting a shot at the big stage. That's not the issue at all. It's who they are choosing. It's not their aspects that has me shaking my head - it's their backgrounds and track records. Some of these writers have either little or no experience in these types of books - and what they do have tends to be middling, at best. Most of them are decent writers but it appears, no one is saying "no" to some of the less inspired story ideas.


It's no wonder why these characters are written the way they are - as if the person behind the pen doesn't understand them or isn't being properly directed. Or perhaps, they're doing exactly what's intended. Who knows? But the stories we're getting don't feel like they are coming from imaginations birthed from comics. Most of this feels like the result of watching a lot of XTAS or other shows like Wix and then writing fan-fiction based on those impressions. Then we're returning to "people hiring people that they know" instead of it being based on resumes.


This is why we get stories where we see one of the X-Men's most agile characters falling in a hole or sliding uncontrolled down a hill.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on June 03, 2021, 05:00:07 PM
I know at my place of business - out in the middle of no-where white red-hat midwest - our hiring pool is limited. Certainly, there's been a push towards diversity (as long as that diversity is 40 and under, but that's another issue). But you can only attract so much talent to Amish Country.


Part of the solve was having diverse voices on a panel to review work. What comes out of our agencies is reviewed with that lens in mind. Trying to overcome our lack of diversity by having a sounding board of people who have fresh perspectives and are actually experts and have the theory and education. The end result ultimately is more consistent.


I dunno.


Preview for Excalibur. Gambit is wallpaper, as expected. Sexy wallpaper. God I hate Rictor.


https://www.comicsxf.com/2021/06/03/captain-britain-makes-a-splash-in-our-preview-of-excalibur-21/ (https://www.comicsxf.com/2021/06/03/captain-britain-makes-a-splash-in-our-preview-of-excalibur-21/)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on June 03, 2021, 05:47:39 PM
This frustraiting preview shows in 2 pages most problems why this book is such a hot garbage. It is super important Betsy and ... Blah, blah Excalibur team that noone cares about.Wallpaper Gambit without dialogue.Rogue with non important lines to show like she is doing at least something.Everything should be about Apoc even when he is not in book. Annoying Rictor with forced obsession that is just stupid.Jubs with Shogo symbiot.But art is beautiful as always. To deserves better.



erased some site formatting - DonP
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on June 03, 2021, 06:01:12 PM
...Jubs with Shogo symbiot.But art is beautiful as always...


Shogo symbiote!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on June 04, 2021, 03:37:53 PM
https://twitter.com/Marvel/status/1400867701061472259?s=20 (https://twitter.com/Marvel/status/1400867701061472259?s=20)


Remy hangin’ out in a panel from X-Factor be like: I wanna be...where the hot people are....away from Betsy...wish I could be...part of your woooorrld.


https://twitter.com/Marvel/status/1400882897704345607?s=20 (https://twitter.com/Marvel/status/1400882897704345607?s=20)


Dead Remy on the ground for Inferno. Or still drunk from Gala.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on June 04, 2021, 05:23:51 PM
Dead Gambit is better then No Gambit at teaser.
It is the first time that he is used on event poster.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on June 04, 2021, 05:56:49 PM
Dead Gambit is better then No Gambit at teaser.
It is the first time that he is used on event poster.


Think the people on the ground are the ones questioning the status quo.


Havok: But why can’t Maddie come back? I miss getting spanked.
Gambit: Apocalypse is a tool! Why is no one listening to meeee???
Wolvie: This islands pollen count is off the charts and now I have hay fever permanently.
Jean: ain’t nobody gonna tell me nothiiiin
Polaris: stop mansplaining everything to me DAD!
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on June 05, 2021, 03:22:51 AM

Think the people on the ground are the ones questioning the status quo.


Havok: But why can’t Maddie come back? I miss getting spanked.
Gambit: Apocalypse is a tool! Why is no one listening to meeee???
Wolvie: This islands pollen count is off the charts and now I have hay fever permanently.
Jean: ain’t nobody gonna tell me nothiiiin
Polaris: stop mansplaining everything to me DAD!


Cool idea! Iwould really love that.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on June 08, 2021, 03:11:39 PM
Ah, Sinister pulling that ole "Hey, what's that over there!?" con. Tricksy.


Does anyone read Hellions? In #11, there's a notes page about how the clone farm Arcade's indentured servants are building was only making infants, and that Arcade killed the guy who knew how to make adult clones. Unknown to all, the farm was being built to Sinister's specifications. So I assume his intent was to make babies in the first place. Is he making another Baby Factory, a la Black Womb? Is the baby we're being teased Sinister's creation?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on June 09, 2021, 08:22:23 AM
I read Hellions and enjoy it a lot but I probably missed that data page:(
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on June 09, 2021, 08:47:47 AM
I read Hellions and enjoy it a lot but I probably missed that data page:(


Here it is.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on June 09, 2021, 10:46:57 AM
Interesting. But I am sure that if the new Black Womb would happen then Remy won`t be a part of this story.

Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on June 10, 2021, 11:46:36 AM
Stay home with the cats?!
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on June 10, 2021, 01:34:24 PM
Stay home with the cats?!


All part of his “plans.”


Remy’s Honey Do List
Plan 1: get chained to a wall
Plan 2: get killed in Inferno
Plan 3: cats ??
Plan 4: Profit
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on June 10, 2021, 10:18:31 PM
Omg, the paaaaiiiiin....
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Sparta on June 11, 2021, 09:03:14 AM
Well that Brooks Inferno promo pic with Gambit on the ground (with a few other A-listers) gives me hope that he might have a role to play in a major event.
He doesn't need to be front and centre, just a respectable showing. 
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on June 11, 2021, 09:53:32 AM
Well that Brooks Inferno promo pic with Gambit on the ground (with a few other A-listers) gives me hope that he might have a role to play in a major event.
He doesn't need to be front and centre, just a respectable showing.


Yes. Feel the same.
Wolverine, Gambit, Jean, Polaris and Havok may make a cool strike team.


Would like to see them as HOX squad as Cyke, Logan, Jean, Nightcrawler, Monet, Mystique, Husk and Archangel. I am just afraid that he might be used as Husk or Achngel. They were used in story to add 2 stupid plot moving questions like "Why or how we should do it?" and then got killed before fight even started. After that when everyone on ressurected team was having a reference to shine, they were used as wallpapers. All others from team got time to shine or do something important before they died.

Gambit is the only one who is in his old uniform. May mean something.


Or he may don`t even appear. Won`t be surprised.



Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: RomeoSvengali on June 12, 2021, 02:44:43 PM
Gambit art
https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1732848 (https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1732848)

https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1731601 (https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1731601)

https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1733740 (https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1733740)

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b0/75/c0/b075c05e62d518d1582fbeecdebaf1a1.jpg (https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b0/75/c0/b075c05e62d518d1582fbeecdebaf1a1.jpg)

Gambit and Rogue art
https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1729327 (https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1729327)

https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1730257 (https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1730257)

https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1730258 (https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1730258)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on June 14, 2021, 08:16:11 AM

https://aiptcomics.com/2021/06/14/x-men-monday-110-hellfire-gala-week-2/


AIPT: Speaking of X-Couples, X-Fan Kristen said Gambit and Rogue have been side by side since their wedding. Now, they’ll be transitioning into having an extreme work life/home life shift to the point they largely will not be living together. How did the decision play out to put them in different books? And similarly, X-Fan Scott Evans asked if the X-Men Election caused Tini Howard to have to change her plans for Excalibur.


Jordan: It wasn’t a real election. [Laughs] There was only the one character that got actually elected in real life — we just picked who was going to be on the team for those other six characters. So you know, when we started planning the book, Gerry was like, “Hey, I’d like to use Rogue.” And Tini was like, “Cool, that sounds neat.” And that was long enough ago that Tini didn’t have to blow anything up.


As for Gambit, there was some back and forth on that, actually. Like, what should happen to him? If Rogue is going to join the X-Men, should he go live there as like, a little househusband or what? And there, Tini was like, “Actually I do have stuff I would want to keep doing with Gambit and I think it makes sense for him to stay here in Excalibur and do these things.” And we went great, it’s not a problem. And don’t forget, this is Krakoa, they have gates. They can walk from New York to England…


AIPT: X-Fan Emmanuel Boyd pointed out that Gambit revealed he has his own plans. What can you tease about these plans and how soon might we see them?


Jordan: Keep reading, keep reading. It’s in Excalibur. Tini, like I said, does have stuff in the hopper for Gambit. And it’s going to be playing out there. So if you want to see what mischief Gambit’s up to, that’s the place to look. Although, they’re husband and wife. So he makes appearances in other places. He will appear at least a little bit in X-Men. I’m not saying he’s in every issue of X-Men, but I do know there’s at least a scene in X-Men that I’ve seen drawn already that is pretty great.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Sparta on June 14, 2021, 12:21:47 PM
Well, I guess we'll at least see Gambit drawn by Pepe Larraz when he cameos in 'X-Men'. As long as he's not teaming up with the Hamburglar again.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: andrei on June 15, 2021, 08:45:14 AM
you know... even knowing Tini has some plans for Gambit alone, does any of you get excited about it?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on June 15, 2021, 11:24:53 AM
you know... even knowing Tini has some plans for Gambit alone, does any of you get excited about it?


I have doubts about her ability to deliver on these ‘plans,’ and if they occur it will be off-panel. The “I have stuff I want to keep doing” part is the clue. Keep doing what exactly? Stringing us along?


No doubt if she does do something, we’ll just go from complaining about her doing nothing to doing it all wrong.  ;)



Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on June 15, 2021, 02:16:25 PM
https://aiptcomics.com/2021/06/14/x-men-monday-110-hellfire-gala-week-2/ (https://aiptcomics.com/2021/06/14/x-men-monday-110-hellfire-gala-week-2/)


AIPT: Speaking of X-Couples, X-Fan Kristen said Gambit and Rogue have been side by side since their wedding. Now, they’ll be transitioning into having an extreme work life/home life shift to the point they largely will not be living together. How did the decision play out to put them in different books? And similarly, X-Fan Scott Evans asked if the X-Men Election caused Tini Howard to have to change her plans for Excalibur.


Jordan: It wasn’t a real election. [Laughs] There was only the one character that got actually elected in real life — we just picked who was going to be on the team for those other six characters. So you know, when we started planning the book, Gerry was like, “Hey, I’d like to use Rogue.” And Tini was like, “Cool, that sounds neat.” And that was long enough ago that Tini didn’t have to blow anything up.


As for Gambit, there was some back and forth on that, actually. Like, what should happen to him? If Rogue is going to join the X-Men, should he go live there as like, a little househusband or what? And there, Tini was like, “Actually I do have stuff I would want to keep doing with Gambit and I think it makes sense for him to stay here in Excalibur and do these things.” And we went great, it’s not a problem. And don’t forget, this is Krakoa, they have gates. They can walk from New York to England…


AIPT: X-Fan Emmanuel Boyd pointed out that Gambit revealed he has his own plans. What can you tease about these plans and how soon might we see them?


Jordan: Keep reading, keep reading. It’s in Excalibur. Tini, like I said, does have stuff in the hopper for Gambit. And it’s going to be playing out there. So if you want to see what mischief Gambit’s up to, that’s the place to look. Although, they’re husband and wife. So he makes appearances in other places. He will appear at least a little bit in X-Men. I’m not saying he’s in every issue of X-Men, but I do know there’s at least a scene in X-Men that I’ve seen drawn already that is pretty great.


@@$#$.... @#@$#@%#... #[email protected] #%@#%@!
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on June 15, 2021, 02:20:07 PM
"househusband?"


Gambit's not unemployed and they don't have children. Pets are not children. I know ya'll love your cats - but they are cats. Not human beings. You leave them alone all the time because they can fend for themselves better than any of us if left alone. You don't leave kids by themselves. Not the same thing. How and why would Gambit end up as a "househusband"? Why are they pretending Gambit as a character is rudderless without Rogue?


you know... even knowing Tini has some plans for Gambit alone, does any of you get excited about it?



#@[email protected], no.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on June 15, 2021, 03:41:26 PM
"househusband?"


Worse than that, “little househusband.” Having cats makes no difference, you can still be a housewife or househusband kids or no kids. Household management is a fine occupation, I have myself spent time in this pursuit. But not ideal for a comic book superhero.


Man, I used to want to be Gambit. Attractive, gift of gab, athletic. Now Gambit is me, has too many cats, doesn’t leave the house, falls down for no reason.


Excalibur #22 cover. Gambit looks how I feel about this book. Tired, and just kinda like:why?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E377b08XIAEqzTd?format=jpg&name=large (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E377b08XIAEqzTd?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on June 15, 2021, 03:54:59 PM
How disappointing that Tini Howard still has Gambit in her clutches when it is clear she doesn't know a thing about him.
I'm worried about what's in the 'hopper'.

Househusband is bulls*** for this character.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: wantutosigh on June 15, 2021, 04:43:55 PM
The annoying thing is they would never say this the other way. Imagine the flack a writer would get for saying something like, "Oh maybe Rogue should just be a housewife now." While Gambit is off adventuring. The headlines and twitter mobs would be going ape.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on June 15, 2021, 05:06:06 PM
The annoying thing is they would never say this the other way. Imagine the flack a writer would get for saying something like, "Oh maybe Rogue should just be a housewife now." While Gambit is off adventuring. The headlines and twitter mobs would be going ape.
Agreed. I almost said the same thing. Gambit has been emasculated and its hard to support him in any book when you can't recognize the character that was once so much more than he is now.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on June 15, 2021, 05:48:58 PM

Worse than that, “little househusband.” Having cats makes no difference, you can still be a housewife or househusband kids or no kids. Household management is a fine occupation, I have myself spent time in this pursuit. But not ideal for a comic book superhero.


Man, I used to want to be Gambit. Attractive, gift of gab, athletic. Now Gambit is me, has too many cats, doesn’t leave the house, falls down for no reason.


Excalibur #22 cover. Gambit looks how I feel about this book. Tired, and just kinda like:why?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E377b08XIAEqzTd?format=jpg&name=large (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E377b08XIAEqzTd?format=jpg&name=large)


My point wasn't about the role of "housewife" or "househusband". Both exist.


It was the logic of "WHAT THE @#@$" for Gambit. The @#[email protected] does that even mean? Why was that even a thought in the head of an X-Men writer?


And I'm used to the lackluster art of Gambit in the books. It's like they go out of their way to make him look as uninteresting and dull as possible. It's like... they don't like money?


Rumor is Tini is the main creative mind of the X-Men outside of projects directly produced by Hickman. Lord save us... or not. And I can start saving my money. It's the direction I'm heading in.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on June 15, 2021, 06:23:52 PM

It was the logic of "WHAT THE @#@$" for Gambit. The @#[email protected] does that even mean? Why was that even a thought in the head of an X-Men writer?



Apologies for agreeing with you, as I said, househusband isn’t a role for a superhero anyone wants to read about. the snide “little househusband” comment is insulting. Insulting to the character, his fans, and actual househusbands, bc it comes across as it being a bad thing.


Honestly, I thought that was the concept Marvel writers were going for with Gambit. Gambit says to Rogue, let’s build a house, she says: I’d rather go back to work. She says: I don’t want a family, he says your body your choices. He supports her in all things, then sends her off to work with a kiss and a bagged lunch. I thought the writers were presenting with an example of a male hero we haven’t really seen before. not that I like it at all, the relationship is totally one sided and not the least bit reciprocal. So I am confused by the ‘little househusband’ comment, was that not the character they were building, the direction they were going? And that’s ignoring the food prep, the cat maintenance and the hair brushing.


The annoying thing is they would never say this the other way. Imagine the flack a writer would get for saying something like, "Oh maybe Rogue should just be a housewife now." While Gambit is off adventuring. The headlines and twitter mobs would be going ape.


If I were braver on Twitter, I’d go out and suggest it. Okay Remy, just go sit over there stay quiet and look pretty. Also, you have no shirt. Boop.

Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on June 15, 2021, 07:01:56 PM
Not worth the mobs and how easily upset they become at the injustice of Rogue being a housewife.

Why its seen as some horrible thing, I don't know.
Women do domestic stuff all the time. Some are even creative by calling it domestic engineering.

At this point, Gambit is a trophy husband with no character. The traits given after he was created is long gone.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on June 16, 2021, 07:33:52 AM
Not worth the mobs and how easily upset they become at the injustice of Rogue being a housewife.

Why its seen as some horrible thing, I don't know.
Women do domestic stuff all the time. Some are even creative by calling it domestic engineering.

At this point, Gambit is a trophy husband with no character. The traits given after he was created is long gone.


You're right, not worth entering the fake outrage discourse, because it's not offensive to call someone a home-maker. And an insulting "little house-husband" comment doesn't really compare equally to the multigenerational struggle to overcome gender bias and assigned female gender-based roles. So even saying: "if we said this about Rogue people would be mad." Well, it's not really apples to apples, is it? No one is going to weep tears of unfairness over so-called reverse sexism. Because they shouldn't.


But it is snarkily amusing to me that while Marvel is being all into representation, diversity, and "wokeness," the derogatory use of calling someone a little home-maker slipped out during an interview. Hey, dude, maybe check your own internal biases. Maybe have a safe space set up so you and the other writers can talk about the real reasons Gambit triggers you.


It's not really about gender/sex/emasculation. It's more about a formerly "problematic" character being Sanitized for Our Protection. He was more fun being problematic. Now Gambit is boring AF.


And the Trophy Husband - lol, true. Because Tini made sure to add that Rogue will be entitled to conjugal visits while Gambit is in the Prison of Excalibur. Thanks SO MUCH for the single panel to clear that issue up, you know it was my top-most concern about when Rogue was gonna get some.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on June 16, 2021, 12:42:31 PM
It is reverse sexism.

Since TH supports the LGBT+ community, you'd think she would be smarter in her answers. You would think she would know better than to label. Is the comment some sort of 'shaming'? In the world of woke, something to think about.

I agree about the stripping down Gambit's character. He is not only boring, he's replaceable with anybody.

TV  handles problematic characters all the time and gain much love from fans with them I don't know why comic books are what they are now.

I may edit my comments, the world of woke scares me into silence.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on June 16, 2021, 02:34:40 PM
It is reverse sexism.

Since TH supports the LGBT+ community, you'd think she would be smarter in her answers. You would think she would know better than to label. Is the comment some sort of 'shaming'? In the world of woke, something to think about.

I agree about the stripping down Gambit's character. He is not only boring, he's replaceable with anybody.

TV  handles problematic characters all the time and gain much love from fans with them I don't know why comic books are what they are now.

I may edit my comments, the world of woke scares me into silence.


Nothing you said needs to be censored. We've discussed this before. A lot of the reasons people don't like Gambit stems from their weird obsession with Rogue during the 90s and the fact that he was so popular over characters like Nightcrawler, Kitty, and Colossus - 3 characters that continuously get pushes despite barely having a fandom behind them. Those fans have become creators over the last 15 years and now they can push through their ideas of what the X-Men are - damn what the consumer is interested in. Duggan literally said they are writing stories for each other. Not us. Over the years, they made Gambit jokes in interviews and panels so much that it became commonplace - so others just piled on in this "clique" mean-girls fashion in a very high school-like manor.


Marvel likes making money and sought to correct the image of a proven money-maker with Asmus' run - and he did a pretty good job, despite being denied use of characters and blocked story ideas. 17-issues strong in which sales only dropped once we found out the book was ending. Originally, it was only meant to be a 12-issue run, but it was doing well. All that work to have the entire effort belittled by PAD and then flat-out ignored by every other writer besides Kelly Thompson (who could have done more with it, honestly). With Gambit's established position, he should be anything but "boring".


He should be heavily used in current-day X-Men, almost across the board, and the fact that he isn't at all but running around Otherworld - has to be an intentional effort or due to pure ignorance. It just doesn't make sense that Kitty, Iceman, and Bishop are "pirates" mixed up in the black market - but Gambit gets to fall into holes and get saved by Rictor who's all of a sudden a master gymnast.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: wantutosigh on June 16, 2021, 02:36:39 PM
It is apples to apples because it's a stupid idea for any established marvel superhero. It's used disparagingly for a chuckle for Gambit. But if used to joke about Rogue would set them off. Hypocrites and just a lame comment in general.


I have very little hope for Gambit going forward unfortunately. I'm even losing hope for him in the MCU.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on June 16, 2021, 02:55:47 PM
It is apples to apples because it's a stupid idea for any established marvel superhero. It's used disparagingly for a chuckle for Gambit. But if used to joke about Rogue would set them off. Hypocrites and just a lame comment in general.


I have very little hope for Gambit going forward unfortunately. I'm even losing hope for him in the MCU.


I agree with you about the hypocrisy and wonder about the productivity of this particular meeting in the X-Office. I won't talk further about the part I disagree with.  ;D   And it wasn't Tini who made the comment, it was whoever the interviewee was (I forget and am too lazy to look him up).


Speaking of outrageous things done to male characters, we can at least be glad Gambit is not Jamie Braddock. What has been seen cannot be unseen.

Congrats to the Braddock family, I guess.



Overall, I like the new concepts in the X-Books. That's what makes it so disappointing Gambit doesn't get to participate. Can't even get a Pint-Sized X-Men.

admin edit: darn site and its formatting issues.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on June 16, 2021, 03:38:23 PM
My bad on getting who said what wrong. I should look it up too but in the grand scheme of things, bleh.

My general thought is ... somebody else should handle Gambit. Not a person who doesn't get him.
As for writers ... writing for themselves.  Isn't that fanfic? I think it is because they certainly don't support continuity.

Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on June 16, 2021, 03:53:12 PM
My bad on getting who said what wrong. I should look it up too but in the grand scheme of things, bleh.

My general thought is ... somebody else should handle Gambit. Not a person who doesn't get him.
As for writers ... writing for themselves.  Isn't that fanfic? I think it is because they certainly don't support continuity.


Some of it is the kind of AO3-tagged fanfic you're gonna want to filter OUT of your search terms.  ;D


No one's gonna jump on you re: wokeness. Not here anyway. C'mon. There's like five Gambit fans left. And right now, we all need emotional support. So, group hug everyone.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on June 16, 2021, 03:53:25 PM
It is apples to apples because it's a stupid idea for any established marvel superhero. It's used disparagingly for a chuckle for Gambit. But if used to joke about Rogue would set them off. Hypocrites and just a lame comment in general.


I have very little hope for Gambit going forward unfortunately. I'm even losing hope for him in the MCU.




Watch these mofos trip over themselves to personally butcher his character at the mention of a live-action project. Thing is, if it's still a possibility - then they'd know before us. Tini wanting to hold onto him might be a self-preservation tactic. Look at her line-up: Braddock (not Psylocke), Rictor, Meagan, Jubilee. I'd argue the name "Psylocke" is a selling point - not Betsy Braddock. The look that people recognize is with Hellions (but I can easily say that "Kwannon" isn't popular either, but way less known than "Betsy"). Marvel split one character into two. Gambit is legit her biggest name and he's an unutilized background character.


I can't believe we were just a no/yes away from him getting free of her... But hey, he might have ended up in X-Men as an off-panel househusband. So, perhaps we were spared of that.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on June 17, 2021, 10:02:20 AM
Watch these mofos trip over themselves to personally butcher his character at the mention of a live-action project.


Sad, but true. CBR has published several articles insisting Gambit doesn’t deserve a solo, holding that the failed live-action with Tatum is proof of Gambit’s lack of merit. The last one was laughable, bc they suggest Forge and Cable both would be better choices. Proving that people don’t want anything different, just more of the same Militant Remorseless Guys With Guns ‘you hurt my buddy/wife/daughter/dog now I’m gonna get you’ revenge-porn movies. But I guess you have people believing the Earth is flat, too. The anti-Remy cliques having to go out of their way to discredit something as bad is almost a compliment to his unwavering mass appeal. Or that’s gonna be my positive spin on it.


I am gonna be the Live to Laugh Gambit and not the Sit on Roof and Sulk Gambit.


Tini wanting to hold onto him might be a self-preservation tactic. Look at her line-up: Braddock (not Psylocke), Rictor, Meagan, Jubilee. I'd argue the name "Psylocke" is a selling point - not Betsy Braddock. The look that people recognize is with Hellions (but I can easily say that "Kwannon" isn't popular either, but way less known than "Betsy"). Marvel split one character into two. Gambit is legit her biggest name and he's an unutilized background character.


For sure. Hellions uses fewer big names, has a smaller following, and yet despite not having a cast of Big Names or even likeable characters, has somehow made me care about them anyway. Excalibur has done the opposite, and made characters people love into …I don’t even know what. Just a bunch of randos sitting around complaining about s*** and being mean to each other for no reason. It’s like Twitter became a comic book. Maybe Pete Wisdom can join the lineup and add even more grouchiness, he’d fit right in.

It’s gonna get a shake up, it has to. It’s passed 20 issues, so we’re due for a reset. C’mon, gotta believe we’re in the home stretch, and something new will happen after September’s event.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on June 17, 2021, 07:47:41 PM
Hellions is a gem of a book. I wish I jumped on at the beginning. Loving it now, though... Even with clown Sinister, who's actually pretty funny... Not Sinister, but still very entertaining.


Got no evidence bit Wells seems the type of writer that would use Gambit very well. But despite his misuse, I think Gambit is still protected to a point. They can humiliate the character and annoy us all they like but I think they'll only go so far - as we saw in Deadpool V Gambit. As bad of a story as it was, it could have been worse.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on June 18, 2021, 12:11:00 PM
Hellions is a gem of a book. I wish I jumped on at the beginning. Loving it now, though... Even with clown Sinister, who's actually pretty funny... Not Sinister, but still very entertaining.


Got no evidence bit Wells seems the type of writer that would use Gambit very well. But despite his misuse, I think Gambit is still protected to a point. They can humiliate the character and annoy us all they like but I think they'll only go so far - as we saw in Deadpool V Gambit. As bad of a story as it was, it could have been worse.


Sinister’s narcissism has reached psychological disorder levels. He wouldn’t want to deprive the world of every errant thought that passes through his head. Someone asked why he’d be scared to have Nanny stab him with a broken bottle, since he’d just heal. Isn’t it obvious? He doesn’t want her to ruin his outfit.


Every issue makes me laugh at least once, and I am easily won over by funny people. The line about Greycrow being evil, but someone forgot to tell his hair…  ;D  [size=78%]He does have Pantene-commercial level hair. I can see why Kwannon is into it. [/size]


Would love to see Wells take on Gambit, but I thought he was in the Gambit-hate camp (not that it should matter). If he can make freaking Nanny the Queen of the Gala, he’s practically spinning straw into gold at this point. Give the man another book. The people who like Hellions also seem to like X-Factor, so I might go back and try that too. Polaris and Akihiro are enough of a draw. With that book ending, there’s a bunch of now homeless characters, and it seems like Tini is trying to do something with Rachel. So just let her have at it and give us a team shake-up. Put Gambit on a team with Akihiro, I want that in the worst way.


Hopeful this next arc with these magician people is the last, that Betsy “proves” she’s a worthy Cap Britain and puts this to bed. If she can make Rictor king of the Druids in two pages, surely she can wrap up her failing flailing Queen Betsy storyline in three issues.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on June 19, 2021, 10:50:08 PM
Hopeful this next arc with these magician people is the last, that Betsy “proves” she’s a worthy Cap Britain and puts this to bed. If she can make Rictor king of the Druids in two pages, surely she can wrap up her failing flailing Queen Betsy storyline in three issues.


I've got no clue of what you're talking about.  ;D
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on June 20, 2021, 09:24:00 AM

I've got no clue of what you're talking about.  ;D


Only Tini knows. At least here’s hoping.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: wantutosigh on June 21, 2021, 07:52:59 PM
https://screenrant.com/guardians-galaxy-2-yondu-mary-poppins-xmen-gambit/ (https://screenrant.com/guardians-galaxy-2-yondu-mary-poppins-xmen-gambit/)

Interesting connection they make here.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Icefanatic on June 22, 2021, 01:25:29 AM
A few thoughts...

To start, some of you may be wondering what the heck an Iceman fan is doing here. 'Did he get lost, the poor thing?'

Lets see: Back in the 90's(oh, how I miss the comics of that era, faults and all) Iceman, Gambit and Wolverine were my top-three favorites(with Remy and Logan regularly duking it out for 2nd place). My interest in Gambit sadly waned over the years due almost entirely to his near-constant mishandling by Marvel. I reconnected with my Gambit interest after Neko joined up with my forum and decided to come check out her place.

'Wait, you have your own forum, wtf are you doing here, man? You a narc? NARC! ' Uhh, my forum is largely inactive at the moment. I have had some new members join in recent months but their only interest seemed to be in what I was posting about Iceman(specifically the somewhat-secret history of how a fan-theory from the 70's about Iceman being an analogue to the Phoenix called 'the Dragon' made it's way surreptitiously into the cannon of the comics along with my advanced theories about what the consequences have been and will be for both the character and the larger Marvel Universe.) They basically made a few posts and PM's along the lines of 'I am interested in reading more' without contributing anything more to the forum. Considering I had protracted conversations with one of them at CBR before they joined ABP it was pretty frustrating. I've also been battling some problems with carpal tunnel syndrome off-and-on for months, affecting my dominate hand/arm and haven't really felt like posting on anything more than a sporadic basis, much less working intensely on something that seemed to be the only draw for certain members.

On 'wokeness'. Don't get me started. They've gone beyond woke. I started using the word 'sanitizing' to describe what they are doing to our society and everything in it they view as in any way 'problematic'.  I noted someone in the thread used the term to describe what has been done to Gambit and it's appropriate. I saw a news story the other day about a major university that is trying to rename everything on it's campus that is in any way derived from whiteness, maleness, straightness and cis-genderedness. We are rapidly going from having to use the right pronouns to not being allowed pronouns or gendered terms at all. I have no idea where this is headed except we will probably all eventually be wearing burqas and making pleasing hums at each other to avoid anyone seeing or hearing something that might offend them.

I'm not reading the current X-Books at all except for X-Men Legends. Most of the current stuff feels like either an alternate timeline/universe(some of you know my theories) trying to pass itself off as the real thing or bad fanfic, or some combination of both.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on June 22, 2021, 07:45:20 AM
https://screenrant.com/guardians-galaxy-2-yondu-mary-poppins-xmen-gambit/ (https://screenrant.com/guardians-galaxy-2-yondu-mary-poppins-xmen-gambit/)

Interesting connection they make here.



I think about this umbrella scene a lot, as the perfect example of out-of-the-box creative use of Gambit’s powers.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on June 22, 2021, 02:47:06 PM
Glad to see you post Icefanatic. You are always welcome here. And my apologies for not visiting your forum more often. ABP is friendly and that is a good thing even if people are slow to post. People are slow to post here too.

But I'm not visiting forums but this one and sometimes I forget to look in on this place and that is due to lack of good Gambit content (comic books, not poster comments.)

I don't even bother with CBR anymore. I'm done with certain fans, especially the nastier fans of a certain character I am not a fan of, the entitlement is too much for me to put up with. I get tired of people assuming things I have NOT said. Hey, read what was stated and stop projecting.

I agree with your wokeness paragraph, that I don't know where its going either, why its not good to be any of those adjectives.

It's why I mention fanfic a few pages back for Gambit content and now its completely ruined via a certain fandom who only care about half the relationship. Some of the comments stated to one our posters who writes is redic via a group who don't know when to stop.

I've totally left fanfic for Xmen. Though, I think people are asses in all fandoms, I'd rather read stuff with silly dragon or TV stuff that I think is interesting.


Ultimate Xmen 13-14 written by Chuck Austen - do you remember why he did the fill in for the book, because the writer of Ultimate Xmen didn't like Gambit. Stated as much in interviews and all of that, this is the stuff that really beats on a fanbase. 
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on June 22, 2021, 07:26:10 PM
A few thoughts...
To start, some of you may be wondering what the heck an Iceman fan is doing here. 'Did he get lost, the poor thing?'


You have to answer two questions first: who is your favorite X-Man and why is it Gambit?
Ultimate Xmen 13-14 written by Chuck Austen - do you remember why he did the fill in for the book, because the writer of Ultimate Xmen didn't like Gambit. Stated as much in interviews and all of that, this is the stuff that really beats on a fanbase. 



I do feel beat up, but not beaten. We will persevere in the face of adversity. Abandon us in a desolate arctic wasteland to die, we come back and are like: Hey, guys! Remember us? You thought you got rid of us, but naaaah! What’s for dinner? When is the next solo coming out?


Ppl using “wokeness” to bully or shame others is counterproductive to the movement espoused. We’re all of us learning to be better people and not everyone fully knows the ins and outs of every hot button topic. Nothing is going to turn someone away from a cause faster than by treating people with meanness.


Feeling like “wokeness” been pushed on you, like drinking from a firehouse of PC culture, is understandable. I know I feel overwhelmed. But a massive overcorrection is needed to remedy issues that have been long ignored in regards to diversity and inclusion. I’m sure for people who have been waiting for change for so long and might have given up, it seems things are moving too slow. My feeling overwhelmed is small potatoes compared to other people who’ve long been marginalized.


Gambit got sanitized for sure, to be suitable as a doting husband. Every bad romance story ever written features an impossibly wonderful woman who might have one flaw (I’m so clumsy, teehee!), and a tragic train wreck of a man who is magically cured with the love of said woman. Also sometimes a baby is involved and the man might sparkle in the sunlight. That has nothing to do with wokeness, that’s just pandering. Gambit and Rogue don’t even have a relationship, and if you’re waiting to see it realized on panel, then you’ve been baited.


Pandering and baiting are the problems, and have been for ages. Like by insinuating a throuple involving Wolverine/Cyclops/Jean with zero considerations for character growth and history, and then not bothering to address the complexities of a polyamorous relationship is pandering. If they’re trying to sell it as recognition of a kind of relationship outside of the heteronormative, then they are doing it wrong. Right now it comes across as some straight dude’s idea he had about Logan and Scott making Jean the Eiffel Tower. Then they bait a queer audience with the insinuation of a lesbian relationship, then make the audience pay for 20 issues worth of comics just to see them dance together. Or give the gay audience a book and immediately cancel it after getting recognized for their attempt. Then again, if you’re waiting for that all-female girl power team or for a POC to have a major role in the X-books, well you can have that…but only kinda because the same five white dudes (plus Emma Frost) are still headlining all the comics and calling all the shots. All attempts so far at being ”woke”, just more pandering and baiting, is worse when you do it under the guise of being inclusive. Lies, I tell you! it’s all lies!


So, guess I’m saying as a Gambit fan, I can empathize with the frustration about the pandering and the baiting. That is Excalibur’s MO.


Glad to see you post Icefanatic. You are always welcome here. And my apologies for not visiting your forum more often. ABP is friendly and that is a good thing even if people are slow to post. People are slow to post here too.


You could rename the site Rogue’s Husband Guild and get a ton more members!!  ;D ;)


I only tease the ones I love.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on June 23, 2021, 07:48:00 AM
Jubilee's face says it all.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on June 23, 2021, 12:20:49 PM
Jubilee's face says it all.
Now, that is funny.

You could rename the site Rogue’s Husband Guild and get a ton more members!!  ;D ;)


I only tease the ones I love.

I know.   ;D
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: hairlesscat on June 24, 2021, 01:09:38 AM
Ultimate Xmen 13-14 written by Chuck Austen - do you remember why he did the fill in for the book, because the writer of Ultimate Xmen didn't like Gambit. Stated as much in interviews and all of that, this is the stuff that really beats on a fanbase.
Such a pervasive lack of professionalism in the X-Office. This is EXACTLY why I gave up on reading the new books several years ago. You shouldn't have to like a character in order to write them and give them a fair portrayal. Agatha Christie didn't like Poirot. Doyle hated Sherlock Holmes toward the end. Both writers put their own personal feelings aside and continued writing the characters because they realized that it was about their readers and not their egos.


X-writers don't seem to understand that they are not writing fanfiction. They are writing comic books that people PAY good money to read.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: hairlesscat on June 24, 2021, 10:26:38 AM

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbr.com/marvel-characters-deserve-tv-adaptations/amp/ (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbr.com/marvel-characters-deserve-tv-adaptations/amp/)

Anybody see this? Notice how the author never actually gives us a REASON why Gambit shouldn't get a Disney+ series? Also, while I agree with Storm, I think it's ridiculous to say that Professor Xavier isn't interesting enough to have a series. I mean, I don't think I'd want one. But that is mostly because I think his backstory should be explored and alluded to in the main movies. But certainly not because he isn't interesting.


admin edit: formatting.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: andrei on June 24, 2021, 01:06:34 PM
WHat a f***ing (o)! I always get pissed off with things like this...
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: andrei on June 24, 2021, 01:11:10 PM
FF4 had some many bad versions and yet is getting a major feature screen.... Gambit doens't even have a decent place in comics for AGES! So pls, just shut the f***off, this guy have NO idea of what he is actually saying. I whish a Thor hammer just to reach his guy head from distance
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on June 24, 2021, 02:03:55 PM
Jubilee's face says it all.


Enough with baby-dragon-boy nonsense! Stop trying to make it happen - it's not going to happen. No one cares!


A few thoughts...

 I have no idea where this is headed except we will probably all eventually be wearing burqas and making pleasing hums at each other to avoid anyone seeing or hearing something that might offend them.



LOL pleasing hums!
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on June 24, 2021, 02:26:16 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbr.com/marvel-characters-deserve-tv-adaptations/amp/ (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbr.com/marvel-characters-deserve-tv-adaptations/amp/)

Anybody see this? Notice how the author never actually gives us a REASON why Gambit shouldn't get a Disney+ series? Also, while I agree with Storm, I think it's ridiculous to say that Professor Xavier isn't interesting enough to have a series. I mean, I don't think I'd want one. But that is mostly because I think his backstory should be explored and alluded to in the main movies. But certainly not because he isn't interesting.


admin edit: formatting.



He literally cut/paste the sentences from the article 2-3 weeks ago about why gambit shouldn’t get a movie. Which is why that writer works as a shill writing for a fanboy site and not working for Disney itself. at this point, as a fan, I persist just to spite this writer and everyone like him. 


But yes, Punisher, sure. Guns/revenge porn. Let’s do that some more.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: hairlesscat on June 24, 2021, 09:33:48 PM
^I forgot to put that in my original comment. Apparently we haven't had enough Punisher. Never mind the fact that his entire schtick has been done 6 million times by characters who aren't even in the Marvel universe. The guy has already had 3 movies. And if you ask me, that is 3 too many.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on June 26, 2021, 12:55:30 PM

Enough with baby-dragon-boy nonsense! Stop trying to make it happen - it's not going to happen. No one cares!



The creative team could’ve gone with using the magical heritage drawn from Krakoas multicultural mutant diaspora. Instead she puts people of Cajun/Creole, Mexican, and Asian descent into Union Jack costumes and hammers home the same tired Eurocentric concepts of magic, druids, dragons, swords. Snore. I’ve watched all five-million episodes of Elena of Avalor several times now. Pretty sure Central and South Americans have their own magic.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Varia on June 26, 2021, 10:48:51 PM

Pandering and baiting are the problems, and have been for ages. Like by insinuating a throuple involving Wolverine/Cyclops/Jean with zero considerations for character growth and history, and then not bothering to address the complexities of a polyamorous relationship is pandering. If they’re trying to sell it as recognition of a kind of relationship outside of the heteronormative, then they are doing it wrong. Right now it comes across as some straight dude’s idea he had about Logan and Scott making Jean the Eiffel Tower. Then they bait a queer audience with the insinuation of a lesbian relationship, then make the audience pay for 20 issues worth of comics just to see them dance together. Or give the gay audience a book and immediately cancel it after getting recognized for their attempt. Then again, if you’re waiting for that all-female girl power team or for a POC to have a major role in the X-books, well you can have that…but only kinda because the same five white dudes (plus Emma Frost) are still headlining all the comics and calling all the shots. All attempts so far at being ”woke”, just more pandering and baiting, is worse when you do it under the guise of being inclusive. Lies, I tell you! it’s all lies!



And then they turn it around on those who call them out on all of this and say they're the insensitive bigots and blah, blah, blah. No... Your writing just sucks and all you do is peddle Regressive crap with a very thin "Progressive!" veneer slapped onto it in the hopes of diverting attention away from your ignorance.

*Slinks back into shadows of lurkiness*
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: wantutosigh on June 27, 2021, 12:40:33 AM
Let's face it, we are on a Gambit site here and he is our favorite character and it sucks how he gets treated but, At this point in the comics almost all the characters are being treated poorly and are written out of character and such. Comics are in bad shape it seems and doesn't look to be getting better anytime soon.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Meliorist on June 27, 2021, 04:21:12 AM
Wow, you all have been busy while my back was turned haha
The discussion is making me glad of my choice to peace out of comics after the third or so issue of Excalibur
Nobody was getting a fair shake in that book and, honestly, came off like there was meddling because I can't fathom someone wanting to tell that story. Can you imagine that being part of your legacy? Ah, well, guess actors phone it in for a paycheck too
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on June 27, 2021, 12:30:01 PM
I wanted to hate Krakoa…but I don’t. I’m good with characters getting a fresh start or reset. I just wish Gambit was included. Maybe that’s why I’m so butthurt about it. hopefully after Inferno. I remain cautiously optimistic. If gambit ends up getting dead, we could have Sinister reveal Gambit’s been a clone since after X-Factor and the real one’s been in deep freeze for the last decade. I’d be okay with that.  ;D


I peaced out of the fandom seven years ago bc I wasn’t in a headspace where I could withstand any more negativity. After this s***ty past year, I reached for a big heaping bowl of comforting nostalgia. Re-read all of Asmus’ books, Mr & Mrs X, and X-Factor and thought: why didn’t I enjoy the hell out of this before? Oh yeah, because the internet told me not to. Lol.


I am so glad we have moved the X-line away from Days of Future Past/Mutant Death Camps/Dire Apocalyptic Visions. Being treated to eons of despair, no wonder X-fans are such a sad bunch. So yeah, mutants  having a new society and then enjoying a big dress up party, I am there for it. I am going to read the hell out of that s***. 


I still heavily drink the Haterade for Magneto though. That hasn’t changed. Still being sold as the be-all-end-all writers’ pet Patron Saint of Mutantkind endured since Legacy days. I ain’t buying it. Did you know, in the Pride issue it turns out Magneto was an ally to gay mutants everywhere since before the word ‘ally’ existed? He is also nominated for Father of the Year, all while guiding his people to salvation like the Moses of Mutants. He is just so amazing in every way. I can’t wait til women’s history month when they put out A Very Special Episode about how Magneto was historically a vocal supporter of the ERA, and is solidly behind reproductive rights. Oh, wait, no…never mind, he’s mansplaining something to Lorna again. Give him an hour or so. I hope he is martyred in Trial of Magneto and he can finally be canonized as a saint, his corpse beatified and have him ascend to heaven. Good bye. Gambit is wondering where he can set up the guillotine for the trial.


if you’re really really into nostalgia Liefeld is getting a shot with his favorite characters, so if you’re into grimacing, big guns, gutting people with swords, there is that. Little something for everyone, including the ppl who hate krakoa.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: anya on June 29, 2021, 10:43:52 AM
I don’t hate krakoa, but I don’t really like it either. I was more than done with the extinction stories, so change of pace isn’t bad. Don’t like the whole ‘humans are supposed to go extinct and mutants are unquestioned next step in evolution (because that’s never been a science thing, the ‘next step in evolution) and the magic plants… how do mutants have so much more power/control now? Magic plants, that make medicine and food and houses and computers and more land and they teleport too…
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on July 01, 2021, 10:24:48 AM
Got no evidence bit Wells seems the type of writer that would use Gambit very well. But despite his misuse, I think Gambit is still protected to a point. They can humiliate the character and annoy us all they like but I think they'll only go so far - as we saw in Deadpool V Gambit. As bad of a story as it was, it could have been worse.


So I didn't realize this was a thing. I have a high tolerance for painful reading (I *almost* made it to the end of the second Stephanie Meyers book, after all). Now I'll have something to read. Pray for me.


What else did I miss?


(https://64.media.tumblr.com/87df05ed7656a69c9fc0c2e6210983a0/86fe96cf9a3aa942-9f/s540x810/21b29b0bc520a53c8a3e1cf1147081de5c7b8e6e.gif)


I don’t hate krakoa, but I don’t really like it either. I was more than done with the extinction stories, so change of pace isn’t bad. Don’t like the whole ‘humans are supposed to go extinct and mutants are unquestioned next step in evolution (because that’s never been a science thing, the ‘next step in evolution) and the magic plants… how do mutants have so much more power/control now? Magic plants, that make medicine and food and houses and computers and more land and they teleport too…


SO MANY QUESTIONS. Most of them are: Hunh? What? and when it comes to Gambit, "WHY???"


Does Gambit have a place on Fantasy Island, Mutant Edition? They threw Sabretooth in The Pit because they didn't have a reason to write a remorseless psychopath serial murderer on Krakoa. They threw Gambit into a marriage with cats because they don't need a street-savvy King of Thieves. Hey, good news for Gambit though. If he still has a raging case of baby-rabies, he can go pick up a floor-baby from Stacy X. There are magic flower babies over in Way of X. Krakoa Provides. And now it has it's very own version of Cabbage Patch Kids.


Magneto has in fact been recognized as a Saint now. Here he is as the blessed Virgin Mary, based on Michelangelo's Peita.
 Ave Magneta. 
Spoiler image:
https://twitter.com/Marvel/status/1410335662369345542/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/Marvel/status/1410335662369345542/photo/1)


Wanda died for their sins. Her boobs are still perky as ever though.



Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: anya on July 02, 2021, 11:52:31 AM
Well, if you remember he terribleLegacy cover a few years back, where Magneto was literally god, Marvel restraining themselves here. He’s only a saint  and Wanda is the lord and savior.. of perkiness. ;)



Edit: stupid autocorrect changed saint to staging. Why autocorrect, just why?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Varia on July 02, 2021, 03:05:14 PM

Magneto has in fact been recognized as a Saint now. Here he is as the blessed Virgin Mary, based on Michelangelo's Peita.
 Ave Magneta. 
Spoiler image:
https://twitter.com/Marvel/status/1410335662369345542/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/Marvel/status/1410335662369345542/photo/1)



I have no clue what needs to be put under a spoiler tag or not! So, please let me know if I need to edit this or just... edit it accordingly.

*Facepalm* Holy mother of... nevermind...

It's not even "evocative" of the pieta, because that would imply they were going for any sense of nuance or artistic subtlety. It's just straight up copying.

Also... aside from Wanda's amazing support, is that a frilly lining around the crotch and legs of Wanda's costume or is that just some weirdly drawn musculature? Either way glad to know that being a corpse doesn't mean you can't grace the cover of an '80s Romance.

Otherwise, the technical skill is good.

Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on July 02, 2021, 03:53:15 PM
I think its fine. That image has been floating at the regular 'comic' sites.
In other news, Xmen #1 will have 24+ covers.

https://www.gamesradar.com/x-men-1-2021/
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on July 03, 2021, 09:39:59 AM

Also... aside from Wanda's amazing support, is that a frilly lining around the crotch and legs of Wanda's costume or is that just some weirdly drawn musculature? Either way glad to know that being a corpse doesn't mean you can't grace the cover of an '80s Romance.

Otherwise, the technical skill is good.


 ;D ;D ;D


It’s either her panties or she needs a bikini wax. What it is evocative of are those photos of Ivanka Trump sitting on her father’s lap. I cannot unsee it.


In other news, Xmen #1 will have 24+ covers.


I think they said there will be a page with Gambit on it. The question is, will he be packing Rogue a lunch for her day at work? Doing the dishes? Taking cute photos of his cats for his Insta feed? Place your bets, folks.


I will likely buy it. I have to know what Polaris is up to. Whatever the default digital comic cover is, that’ll be my version.


A more accurate depiction of Magneto as the humorless stuck-up stick in the mud who makes everything about himself, as opposed to the fanfic Magneto we’ve been getting since Carey’s run:
https://twitter.com/akira1love/status/1410908003201658885?s=20 (https://twitter.com/akira1love/status/1410908003201658885?s=20)
The hat, the expression, Lorna blowing him off, it’s hilarious.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: anya on July 04, 2021, 11:17:27 AM
That is much better. ;). And I think it’s more like forty covers, it’s ridiculous.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on July 04, 2021, 01:48:17 PM
That is much better. ;) . And I think it’s more like forty covers, it’s ridiculous.
They have to be doing a 1:1 ratio. Order the books and get what you get as it were.  Gambit might be on one of them.  :D
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on July 04, 2021, 02:46:27 PM
Rumor has it that AiPT article all confirms that Jonathan Hickman isn't steering the X-Men boat and hasn't been for a long while now... Which makes a lot of sense with what we've been given.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on July 05, 2021, 07:15:53 PM
I’m not entirely sure what it means that Hickman isn’t at the helm. Did he dictate story beats and then the rest of the x-office follows a general outline?


Today’s AIPT just seems to confirm that Excalibur is just a throw-away inconsequential book orbiting the greater storyline. They have a whole new planet now, why would anyone care about the UK Brexit-ing Krakoa? They should have just given the UK delegation peace fingers and been like, aight, later. Until Rictor goes and unilaterally creates an act of war and annexes part of England. Repercussions being what, now? Oh no, there goes Xavier’s chances of replacing Putin to recreate the G8. What a pointless book. The interviewee could barely muster the energy to mention that Pete Wisdom was murdered. He was all: oh yeah, that guy. Characters are sent to Excalibur to die slow painful deaths. Wisdom got off easy.


Well, saw a spoiler image of Mystique approaching Daken. I hope she starts recruiting people to her cause. With Gabby’s death, Daken would have cause to get her resurrected, despite the No Clones resurrection rule. Maybe she’ll approach Gambit with some kind of ‘work with me for Rogue’ incentive. Like, help me get Rogue’s mommy Destiny back.


Or it’ll be about Doctor Doom now, with Gambit saying: we can’t trust him, no one listening to him, Rictor whining about Apocalypse, aimlessly following a useless Betsy, and for… reasons…? A Baby Dragon. Jubilee will…exist.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on July 06, 2021, 08:28:33 AM
I’m not entirely sure what it means that Hickman isn’t at the helm. Did he dictate story beats and then the rest of the x-office follows a general outline?



Actually, yeah. He got the Claremont deal where he directed (not write) all the stories starting with HoX/PoX. Even called the "Head of X". I was one of the people wondering why they were wandering away from the original story. Now I know why. The guy put in charge wasn't in charge which is probably why X of Swords got so many sweeping changes or why Planet Sized X-Men was obviously pasted into Hellfire Gala. If you look at Planet Sized you'll notice characters that are supposed to be at the Gala in completely different clothes and acting like they've been there for fours - yet are active at the party at the same time.


Look at how this started in 2019 to where it all is now. Doesnt make much sense. The only books following the narrative is his X-Men title, the New Mutants when he was writing, and SWORD.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on July 08, 2021, 02:19:56 PM
YOU GUYS!!! GAMBIT IS ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING!!


https://comic-watch.com/news/sneak-peek-exclusive-preview-of-marvels-excalibur-22 (https://comic-watch.com/news/sneak-peek-exclusive-preview-of-marvels-excalibur-22)


Catching a bullet? Blowing it up? Stealing something from Otherworld??
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: andrei on July 08, 2021, 03:22:30 PM
Okay... now he is talking third person too?!! oh damn...
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on July 08, 2021, 04:11:43 PM
Interesting. Gambit talking third person though is a huge turn off for me. I'm not buying books now anyway, I guess it doesn't matter. LOL  :crazy2:


edits: At least he's doing something.  :gambit:
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on July 08, 2021, 06:02:08 PM
 
Okay... now he is talking third person too?!! oh damn...


mebbe he's having an out of body experience. re: DEATH.

or mebbe the only place you can find Gambit not speaking in third person is in fanfic. we've come full circle.
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/n4K1CUamSfLY63C7nrkI1Y9rKTlWk2LWL4qxtgDMCY5cDK_VMWL0r65_pog8OdlThxrZD_8Excc4WQNotghtcBAopbEM_i_eORvgrDTX2e3jWL2BNdczvDweoD5Mpbswmrtg8tFS7Q=s1600)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: andrei on July 09, 2021, 12:43:31 PM
well... this is pretty curious... lets see how it turns out. I was about to say kind of the same, if lead us to some charcater development with a hidden/supressed persona, could work having a third person line
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on July 09, 2021, 06:53:00 PM
YOU GUYS!!! GAMBIT IS ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING!!


https://comic-watch.com/news/sneak-peek-exclusive-preview-of-marvels-excalibur-22 (https://comic-watch.com/news/sneak-peek-exclusive-preview-of-marvels-excalibur-22)


Catching a bullet? Blowing it up? Stealing something from Otherworld??


Not sure what happend if he cathed it or blown up but it was cool.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on July 09, 2021, 06:53:54 PM
Claremont instagram:
Grabbing a tad of reward time after finishing Ga***t 3. Plus lots of other crazy stuff. Nothing like playing catch-up on deadlines.




admin edit, site formatting, crazy site. Content intact.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: wantutosigh on July 09, 2021, 07:02:55 PM
Claremont instagran:
Grabbing a tad of reward time after finishing Ga***t 3. Plus lots of other crazy stuff. Nothing like playing catch-up on deadlines.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CRAPYYdMjNH/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/CRAPYYdMjNH/)


What's he doing?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on July 09, 2021, 07:41:00 PM
If its Gambit and it could possibly be him, at least CC knows him and can write him. LOL

Edit: I'm going to follow him to keep up with could be a good thing, or so I hope.
I don't visit Instagram often even though I have an account and follow some folks.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: wantutosigh on July 09, 2021, 09:49:06 PM
Does he not say "after finishing Gambit 3"? What does that mean? Am I not understanding something?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on July 09, 2021, 09:53:13 PM
We are alluded to Gambit 3. He purposely used asterisks for the name for reasons. Probably to keep the project quiet. And we are assuming its Gambit. Without full info for which I looked, the truth is ... we don't know until Marvel announces.

That is why I said 'if'.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on July 10, 2021, 09:16:13 AM
Issue three? Episode three? Script three? Who knows. Regardless, CC probably deserves some downtime after writing, god knows his dialogue would go on for several pages.


I kid.


Kinda.


I honestly don’t know how I feel about him writing Gambit again, if in fact he is. Does CC’s writing style feel a little, I dunno, outdated? Remy is a lot more lighthearted and charming under his pen, which I like. And if it was a solo act, he might not get overshadowed by Claremazons.

Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: wantutosigh on July 12, 2021, 09:58:33 PM
https://screenrant.com/xmen-gambit-power-super-speedster/ (https://screenrant.com/xmen-gambit-power-super-speedster/)

This is stuff we know Gambit should be shown doing more of.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: RomeoSvengali on July 13, 2021, 03:55:40 PM
Well, when you don't do any research of any kind like the people at CBR and Bleedingcool, other than what you read on wiki, this will be shocking news.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on July 13, 2021, 11:19:37 PM
Uhhh....
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on July 14, 2021, 10:32:06 AM

haven't downloaded it yet, but i heard today's excalibur wasn't terrible.


Edit: oof. nvm. well, everyone is entitled to an opinion, and if they think this issue redeems the book, i’m glad they’re happy. admittedly haven’t read most of the series, so if this one is “good” i don’t want to read the “bad.” the dialogue is so bad as to be nonsensical. it’s cringe. i read xm #1 too, and the dialogue is bad there, too, but the plot is still good. i can’t say the same for excalibur, nothing makes any sense. it could be I just don’t like high-fantasy, with the boring politics/factions arguing with people with unpronounceable names questing to un-spellable places. then inexplicable spells accomplishing conveniently random things. this issue has all of these things. Pete Wisdom is the only remotely interesting person. <—now there’s a sentence I never thought I’d write.

ooo, i love those panels. the two hottest x-men duking it out.


gambit's super fast. 'nother example from xmen 34:

Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on July 15, 2021, 03:49:40 AM
More speed :gambit:


(https://i.imgur.com/PGrT1DH.png)


(https://i.imgur.com/NwhQPoX.png)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on July 15, 2021, 04:00:28 AM
So Excalibur 22. I didn`t like it as issue.


But I liked Gambit moments and he was useful.
The problem is that most stuff wasn`t explained how he did it or what exactly he did with it.


So at the beginning he catches and destroys a bullet with explosion. Finally his fast moves is shown again. For me it is a very cool moment.


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6Rv8l9WYAIB4nw?format=jpg&name=medium)





Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on July 15, 2021, 04:06:15 AM
Also he charged a train. People can say that it is not how his powers work.
A problem that it wasn`t explained how it worked but if he charged some engine with his energy the same way as he was powering Iron-Man uniform with his energy.


At this point over the years of different writers we can easily say that in different situations Remy can release energy of objects or also to charge it with his own.
My head canon that when he charges with his own energy (like Fanto`s gun in Civil War II or his t-shirt to blow a dragons head in Gambit #4) then he is immune to explosion but when he releases energy of object hen it may hurt him.


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6RAL7WWQAAV8O_?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on July 15, 2021, 04:10:27 AM
And last moment I really loved. Tarot cards that Remy stole in Excalibur 11 is finally used 11 boring issues later.


He charges magic card with his energy and it can create magic from a card. Different cards for different tricks. Sad it didn`t happened in X of Swords half of year ago. I think that magic card stuff has a lot of potential and may create some new cool stories with a good writer and give Remy cool and fun power upgrade and open doors for new and creative stories.


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6RALgdXoAQ-KD0?format=jpg&name=large)




(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6QwBjyWEAMDtJV?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: remydat on July 15, 2021, 07:30:11 PM
Purp Thanks for the scans as I stopped reading the pile of trash that is Excalibur. Tini still sucks writing Gambit but I didn't have a problem with his power uses here. I also don't think they really need to be explained in any detail as we have seen echoes of them before. Gambit has caught bullets and other fast objects before, he has powered Iron Man's suit as well as being the power source for Khan's interdimensional portal in X-treme, and with his death persona, he has used mystical cards before as he trapped someone within a card during Hellbound I believe it was.







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Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on July 16, 2021, 03:43:32 AM
Purp Thanks for the scans as I stopped reading the pile of trash that is Excalibur. Tini still sucks writing Gambit but I didn't have a problem with his power uses here. I also don't think they really need to be explained in any detail as we have seen echoes of them before. Gambit has caught bullets and other fast objects before, he has powered Iron Man's suit as well as being the power source for Khan's interdimensional portal in X-treme, and with his death persona, he has used mystical cards before as he trapped someone within a card during Hellbound I believe it was.

admin edit: site crap as always.


Glad to see you again, Remydat Big Gambit fans can easily explain what happend or find a way to explain it but some explanation should be in this issue. I saw a lot of posts on twitter and here from people fro bullet scene that it was awesome but they don't understand what happened.Even I don't understand what happened with bullet exactly.Did Remy cath it, charged and then it explode?Or he charged his fist and create explosion to stop it?Or did he remove a kinetic energy from bullet? EtcWho knows what happened.Oh, I even forgot about Death persona an how he trapped someone in his card.It was a right decision to stop reading it.

 


 
admin edit: size and color tags ... site stuff as usual
 
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: remydat on July 17, 2021, 06:33:29 AM
Given how close it was to his face and his hands were already up in the scene before the explosion, I presume he caught it, charged it and then made it explode in one swift motion.  Really he probably didn't need the explosion but like with the train they probably just did it for dramatic effect.  That or the intent was to indicate he could not merely stop it without also discharged the energy in the bullet.


Hey I liked that issue of Hellbound.  Think that was also where he could control people with a touch and make them his minions.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on July 19, 2021, 10:00:12 AM

Nothing new in it but some new Gambit articles.


Chris Claremont Teases New Gambit Comic Book Series From Marvel?
https://bleedingcool.com/comics/chris-claremont-teases-new-gambit-comic-book-series-from-marvel/


X-Men: How Gambit STOLE His Biggest Power Boost in Years
https://www.cbr.com/x-men-gambit-tarot-cards-power-boost/
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on July 19, 2021, 11:30:39 AM
I'll believe it when I see it. I'm cool with Claremont, would have preferred Fabian, but I'm all for anything other than Tini. You can tell how much a writer knows about Gambit and where they got their knowledge of him if they have him talking about himself in the 3rd person more than once in a blue moon. Her flawed take on him is saturated in XTAS. While w respectable version that I grew up on - that's not comic Gambit and she's supposed to be writing comic Gambit.


I'm still trying to figure out what version of Apocalypse she was writing because I still don't recognize it.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on July 19, 2021, 04:00:13 PM
I'm okay with Claremont, after all he helped create the character with another creative person.


If anyone knows Gambit it would be CC.

Anyone to take him from TH - I hope it happens.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: wantutosigh on July 19, 2021, 05:46:56 PM
I'd be very excited for a new Gambit solo by Chris Clarement. As long as he isn't trying to change something fundamental about his character/story. But a regular new story/adventure for him to go on, I'm in.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on July 19, 2021, 06:56:07 PM
I would guess it’d be a Legends story with Lil Ororo. CC doesn’t seem to respond positively to the current era.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on July 20, 2021, 04:05:34 PM
You're being nice with that take. I hear he absolutely hates it. I was down for Hickman's original view but what it is now...
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on July 21, 2021, 06:26:35 PM
Why does marvel give him and liefeld more oxygen then? Must be something in their contracts. As long as CC doesn’t keep pushing his: Gambit is related to the Summers and is some Sinister Frankenstein’s monster, fine. Whatever it is won’t add or detract to Gambit’s character, regardless.


Cats and marriage have been the only two changes made in like a decade that have actually stuck, and one was more for Rogue’s character than Gambit’s.


No one can convince me she’s a cat lover. She has ‘dog person’ written all over.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on July 21, 2021, 08:19:00 PM
I think I read somewhere that CC gets paid whether he writes a book or not.

Having write Gambit would be a nice change from the current crop of writers.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on July 22, 2021, 03:39:43 AM
I would prefer a Gambit solo in new era with a good new writer. cough Asmus cough


But I always wanted to see what Claremont would do with Gambit solo and how he would use him as lead character. Good story in past is better than bad story in new era.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: andresa on July 22, 2021, 09:55:52 AM
I'd be fine with Claremont writing Gambit again. I think he would get Gambit back to the basics with a fun adventurous story. Asmus, on the other hand, is a hard pass. The more I read his run, the less I like it. I'm all for someone new taking a shot at a Gambit book. At this point I just want someone to take Gambit away from the hands of that awful untalented Excalibur writer. Warping Gambit's powers is not character development. 
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on July 22, 2021, 10:20:39 AM
 I was thinking that Claremont wrote a treatment for Tatum`s Gambit. In script for movie it was revealed at the end that Gambit is Sinister`s son.


Then I remembered X-Men The end and old theory video:
https://www.reddit.com/r/xmen/comments/4c3mh6/xmen_gambit_theory_video_with_new_evidence/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/xmen/comments/4c3mh6/xmen_gambit_theory_video_with_new_evidence/)


Interesting what everyone is thinking. Would you like this to be used?
I would like Gambit to be a resurrected Adam Essex, NOT a clone. With all pod people from Krakoa it feels like a logical time for reveal. And NicoPony shared not so long ago a Hellions data page that was similar to Black Womb.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on July 22, 2021, 10:45:36 AM
I'd be fine with Claremont writing Gambit again. I think he would get Gambit back to the basics with a fun adventurous story. Asmus, on the other hand, is a hard pass. The more I read his run, the less I like it. I'm all for someone new taking a shot at a Gambit book. At this point I just want someone to take Gambit away from the hands of that awful untalented Excalibur writer. Warping Gambit's powers is not character development.




I'm all for someone new taking a shot at a Gambit book too.


I liked Asmus. I think he was just very limited in freedom or characters that he can use in Gambit`s book or what to do.
Asmus wasn`t allowed to use Black Cat, to make a rematch with Cap, to make Gambit in love with a male character and seduce other male character (Thanks Daniel Ketchum for not allowing it or Gambit would end up like Iceman now), to tell a story about Gambit`s real parents. Maybe something more but I don`t remember right now.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: hairlesscat on July 22, 2021, 01:09:26 PM
Maybe it's just me, but I don't have any kind of burning desire to know Gambit's parentage. I am perfectly fine with that facet of his life remaining a mystery.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on July 22, 2021, 02:51:27 PM
I recently re-read Asmus' series and I actually came away liking it more. The pity-party stuff was lame, but him giving Tombstone a hard time was truly a treat. I seem to remember the same as Purp, Asmus' hands were tied.


Meh, the data page ended up being something else. Sinister is experimenting on himself, his favorite subject. FabNic was setting it up like Sinister might have some kind of empathy/humanity towards Gambit way back when, but that ship has long sailed. By this time, I'm sure Essex just feels Gambit is a nuisance. Every time Gambit is around, all Sinister's s*** gets broke.


Him being an unwanted baby is enough of a backstory considering the rest of the guild stuff is cuckoo bananas as it is. Not that I'm not totally into cuckoo bananas.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on July 22, 2021, 04:50:54 PM
I think I read somewhere that CC gets paid whether he writes a book or not.

Having write Gambit would be a nice change from the current crop of writers.


That is true. He's paid like a figurehead/ consultant and gets that money regardless if he does anything or not. I figure it's also to keep him from going to other companies or having too much freedom to critique the company - so like a running NDA. Think of how voicing his displeasure could affect comic sales.


I recently re-read Asmus' series and I actually came away liking it more. The pity-party stuff was lame, but him giving Tombstone a hard time was truly a treat. I seem to remember the same as Purp, Asmus' hands were tied.


Meh, the data page ended up being something else. Sinister is experimenting on himself, his favorite subject. FabNic was setting it up like Sinister might have some kind of empathy/humanity towards Gambit way back when, but that ship has long sailed. By this time, I'm sure Essex just feels Gambit is a nuisance. Every time Gambit is around, all Sinister's s*** gets broke.


Him being an unwanted baby is enough of a backstory considering the rest of the guild stuff is cuckoo bananas as it is. Not that I'm not totally into cuckoo bananas.


Yep. Purp is right. He revealed in an interview that all the stories we read were 3rd, 4th, and even 5th choice and he was severely limited in the characters he could use. This is why the Avengers were there - but they didn't have any dialog. Or why Gambit was robbing Iron Man but had to fight War Machine. It doesn't make any sense. These are comic character - they don't have schedules or agents. All that could have gotten in the way was ego and comic office heads getting in their feelings about characters in their wheelhouse being used outside of it... But it's ok for the Thieves Guild to be used in Spiderman, but not for Spiderman characters to be used in X-Men? Or how the Phoenix Force is just open for the whole company to utilize now. This was all pre-Disney ownership of Fox. I doubt this would be a problem today - even ignoring how Dan Slott overwrote Franklin Richards being a mutant a few months ago because: reasons.


Very annoying.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: thjan on July 22, 2021, 06:04:30 PM

I am more than okay with Claremont writing a Gambit solo, even if it is set in the past.  I have always wanted a Claremont written story where Gambit is the undisputed star and main character.

Although same as NicoPony I would hope he won't try to push the Gambit as Sinister experiment thing.  Not a fan of that.  Also, I am expecting Gambit to be in a suit of some kind for this story, sigh.  Not a big fan of that either, but Claremont seems obsessed with putting him in one now.

Quote from: andresa
At this point I just want someone to take Gambit away from the hands of that awful untalented Excalibur writer. Warping Gambit's powers is not character development.



Agreed. I know sites are going crazy over these feats and fans are trying to explain how he is doing these things like it is normal or a natural evolution of his powers, but I am not feeling it at all.  And I for real think Howard is not putting any deep thought into these scenes and power displays like the fans, and it is just her not understanding how his powers work or simply wanting to give him things to do to justify his presence in the book whether it makes sense or not.  Everyone else's powers have been pretty nebulous and inconsistent in the book too from the very beginning.

Quote from: hairlesscat
Maybe it's just me, but I don't have any kind of burning desire to know Gambit's parentage. I am perfectly fine with that facet of his life remaining a mystery.



Super Agree!!!   This is how I have always felt about it.  I am perfectly fine with him being a normal mutant with normal human parents that did not want him because of his eyes of something.  His origin does not need to be any more complicated.  I know comic writers and a lot of fans are obsessed with every character being connected in some way, but I feel like it makes the Marvel Earth feel smaller and everyones origins overly convoluted and less unique and interesting.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on July 22, 2021, 07:38:01 PM

I am more than okay with Claremont writing a Gambit solo, even if it is set in the past.  I have always wanted a Claremont written story where Gambit is the undisputed star and main character.

Although same as NicoPony I would hope he won't try to push the Gambit as Sinister experiment thing.  Not a fan of that.  Also, I am expecting Gambit to be in a suit of some kind for this story, sigh.  Not a big fan of that either, but Claremont seems obsessed with putting him in one now.


I think as long as CC doesn't dwell to much in the past, it could be entertaining and if he doesn't shove a Claremazon into as well. And Xmen- The End was really crazy. Gambit wasn't only related to Sinister but Cyclops too if I recall correctly.


I want Gambit to shine too. One would hope with one half of the creative team (as in for creating the character) for Gambit, that he should be able to handle him.


RE: All New X-Factor

ANXF was underrated for a few issues here and there then PAD phoned it in and picked his favs and Marvel wasn't having it. Marvel gave him years to do what he wanted (with the older X-Factor -Maddrox) and then when they wanted what Marvel wanted, he was a codger.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: wantutosigh on July 22, 2021, 08:06:25 PM

Super Agree!!!   This is how I have always felt about it.  I am perfectly fine with him being a normal mutant with normal human parents that did not want him because of his eyes of something.  His origin does not need to be any more complicated.  I know comic writers and a lot of fans are obsessed with every character being connected in some way, but I feel like it makes the Marvel Earth feel smaller and everyones origins overly convoluted and less unique and interesting.



I agree. We don't need all the mutants to be somehow connected to eachother. It makes mutants feel like a small inbred race. Not necessary. Let Gambit be his own man with his own story and path. I'll admit that it is a good source for a story but I don't think I would wind up liking how they handled it and it just isn't needed anyway. As long as Claremont doesn't go with the 3rd Summers brother thing or the him being a Sinister clone I'll be ok. Don't think he'll touch his sexuality either. Just give us a good story we can all sink our teeth into. Not try to change what's been well established. I think we can all get on board with that.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: andresa on July 22, 2021, 08:17:06 PM
I liked Asmus. I think he was just very limited in freedom or characters that he can use in Gambit`s book or what to do.
Asmus wasn`t allowed to use Black Cat, to make a rematch with Cap, to make Gambit in love with a male character and seduce other male character (Thanks Daniel Ketchum for not allowing it or Gambit would end up like Iceman now), to tell a story about Gambit`s real parents. Maybe something more but I don`t remember right now.

I know Asmus was being held back but at the end of the day he was the one who wrote all those bad fillers. There were other places he could've gone when he didn't get to use the characters he wanted. Characterization was mostly fine, I'm just glad Gambit didn't end up like Iceman.

Super Agree!!!   This is how I have always felt about it.  I am perfectly fine with him being a normal mutant with normal human parents that did not want him because of his eyes of something.  His origin does not need to be any more complicated.  I know comic writers and a lot of fans are obsessed with every character being connected in some way, but I feel like it makes the Marvel Earth feel smaller and everyones origins overly convoluted and less unique and interesting.

Although I agree, I doubt it it would happen that way. When/if Gambit's origins were revealed, I don't think it'd be as simple as him having regular folks who abandoned him because of his eyes. His birth would have to be connected to Sinister after all the hints that were dropped along the years.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on July 23, 2021, 09:11:02 AM
Him being born unwanted and then acquired by Black Womb could be the Sinister connection, rather than a biological relation. Thought New Sun was born and then brought into his universe’s version of Black Womb to be raised as a weapon. It depicted his birth in the regular way, out of a birth canal, not a test tube. Given in Hellions Nanny finds a big pile of dead babies at Sinister’s old clone farm, probably a good thing the Guild stole/kidnapped Remy.


Funny that Iceman’s “relationship” with Cloud, fans hold that up as evidence that Bobby was queer. Gambit kisses Jake and it’s basically, well, that’s Gambit being Gambit. That was back in what, early 2000s? Any other male marvel characters kissing non-binary or trans people prior to this? Sekhmet turned out to be a red herring. Jake was Gambit’s damsel in distress all along.


Meh, I think Gambit kisses anyone if he thinks he can get away with it. Turns out, a male character can kiss another male-identifying character and it doesn’t need to be a BIG THING. Gambit kissed Danger, maybe he’s a robosexual.

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Yes, what is up with this? He looks so skeezy in that last Claremont Lil Stormy/Gambit story.


The only suit he needs to be in is either the tacky brown one from his nightclub date with Bishop, or that purple one from the cover of Deadpool v Gambit. Eccentric, not skeezy.


And definitely nix the orange sweater/collared shirt getup from his and Rogue’s party. You know she laid that out on the bed for him to wear that night. That was truly offensive to me.  ;D
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on July 23, 2021, 11:49:54 AM
Rogue in general is the most offensive thing .... and it wouldn't be that way if writers were not worshiping her or self inserting themselves and demeaning Gambit for her. Apologies to Rogue fans, those who are here are good people. The bad people are on fanfic and the other place(s). Lets face it, the day of the forum is gone. IMO


As for suits for Gambit. Can't agree with the brown one. That was one of the worst eye sores I've seen.


IMO - being a thief and all. Classy all the way, with a black or pin stripe suit.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: wantutosigh on July 23, 2021, 11:59:33 AM
I miss when Gambit would just wear a leather jacket ripped jeans and boots as his casual wear.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on July 23, 2021, 12:05:45 PM
IMO - being a thief and all. Classy all the way, with a black or pin stripe suit.


i concur with this as well. we know he is perfectly capable of dressing foine as hell.


I miss when Gambit would just wear a leather jacket ripped jeans and boots as his casual wear.


me too. he should never look "nice." he should dress badass or sexy or like someone who is clubbing in NOLA. not nice.


and as don said once: never clown pants.


which every time i think about i start myself to laugh.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on July 25, 2021, 05:29:34 PM
Why must we resurrect clown pants?! I just got it out of my head!
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Varia on July 25, 2021, 05:53:10 PM
I was thinking that Claremont wrote a treatment for Tatum`s Gambit. In script for movie it was revealed at the end that Gambit is Sinister`s son.


Then I remembered X-Men The end and old theory video:
https://www.reddit.com/r/xmen/comments/4c3mh6/xmen_gambit_theory_video_with_new_evidence/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/xmen/comments/4c3mh6/xmen_gambit_theory_video_with_new_evidence/)


Interesting what everyone is thinking. Would you like this to be used?
I would like Gambit to be a resurrected Adam Essex, NOT a clone. With all pod people from Krakoa it feels like a logical time for reveal. And NicoPony shared not so long ago a Hellions data page that was similar to Black Womb.


I guess I'm the odd one out in feeling that the theory Claremont provided in The End made some sort of sense and I didn't hate it. However, I love the idea you posited here, too!


As to his parents in general, does every character need a connection to another one? Or some strange sci-fi origin story? No, not really.


The story someone concocted for Rogue's parents in her solo series some years back comes to mind as strange and needlessly convoluted. The part with her aunt was the only thing in that that felt like it had any emotional integrity to it. The otherworldly bells and whistles felt like they were thrown into the pot by someone who was trying too hard to come up with anything other than "typical". Those are just my feelings though.


With Gambit, on the other hand, I feel like it makes sense that his origin may not be so straightforward, and obviously, in the hands of a good writer, could be done wonderfully.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Varia on July 25, 2021, 06:01:56 PM
Rogue in general is the most offensive thing .... and it wouldn't be that way if writers were not worshiping her or self inserting themselves and demeaning Gambit for her. Apologies to Rogue fans, those who are here are good people. The bad people are on fanfic and the other place(s). Lets face it, the day of the forum is gone. IMO


As for suits for Gambit. Can't agree with the brown one. That was one of the worst eye sores I've seen.


IMO - being a thief and all. Classy all the way, with a black or pin stripe suit.


As a Rogue fan, I concur. It seems to be what happens in the comics whenever you get a writer who, as a fan of certain characters, can't put aside their preferences to give all of the characters (favorite or least) their due in a story. At best it makes them uninteresting, at worst teeth-gratingly frustrating *keeps eyes rigidly away from Carey*.


The stuff that was being done with Rogue, Gambit, and many of the others was the reason I stopped reading comics in general. If I hear of a good run, I'll buy it in its collected form.


The reason I became interested in these characters to begin with was because of their many facets and the stories that exposed them and made them grow. They seemed to be able to do that while still keeping them distinct from one another.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: hairlesscat on July 25, 2021, 06:47:01 PM
Can someone please tell me what these clown pants are?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on July 25, 2021, 07:14:16 PM

I guess I'm the odd one out in feeling that the theory Claremont provided in The End made some sort of sense and I didn't hate it. However, I love the idea you posited here, too!


As to his parents in general, does every character need a connection to another one? Or some strange sci-fi origin story? No, not really.


The story someone concocted for Rogue's parents in her solo series some years back comes to mind as strange and needlessly convoluted. The part with her aunt was the only thing in that that felt like it had any emotional integrity to it. The otherworldly bells and whistles felt like they were thrown into the pot by someone who was trying too hard to come up with anything other than "typical". Those are just my feelings though.


With Gambit, on the other hand, I feel like it makes sense that his origin may not be so straightforward, and obviously, in the hands of a good writer, could be done wonderfully.


Your not alone. The idea never bothered me much. I actually thought it was interesting. I don't think or understand how it would lessen his character if anything in The End came to fruition in terms of his origin. I'd actually be more annoyed if his connection to Sinister was just left unexplored. Plot holes and unexplained strings annoy me to no end.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: wantutosigh on July 25, 2021, 07:17:10 PM
Can someone please tell me what these clown pants are?


I'm with you. What are these clown pants I constantly hear you guys bringing up? Maybe I don't want to know.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on July 25, 2021, 07:19:33 PM
Can someone please tell me what these clown pants are?


..................


In X-Men I don't know what run anymore but it was an all female team, Gambit was depicted... Attending Burning Man festival wearing card themed MC Hammer parachute pants whilst walking about offering women back rubs like some kind of creep. Some super villain thing happens and instead of jumping in - he calls for help and I suppose just obediently waits... I don't remember much else. It's by far the cringist out of character moment most of us have ever witnessed.


Can I please napalm it from my memory again?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on July 25, 2021, 07:25:58 PM
Written by Brian Wood X-Men 2015... I don't know anymore... Please don't make me go the bad place again... :'(
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: thjan on July 25, 2021, 07:53:56 PM
The clown pants were in X-Men(2013) #23 written by G. Willow Wilson.  And yeah that was a low point for the character.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: RomeoSvengali on July 25, 2021, 08:14:25 PM
Gambit art
https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1745409 (https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1745409)

https://www.deviantart.com/partyskelet0n/art/Gambit-886802244 (https://www.deviantart.com/partyskelet0n/art/Gambit-886802244)

Gambit Scale (I'll keep an eye on this)
https://www.deviantart.com/simonfx/gallery?q=Gambit%20Scale (https://www.deviantart.com/simonfx/gallery?q=Gambit%20Scale)

Gambit and Rogue
https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1734110 (https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1734110)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on July 25, 2021, 08:16:03 PM
The clown pants were in X-Men(2013) #23 written by G. Willow Wilson.  And yeah that was a low point for the character.


Willow... Right... You right... Why did I think it was Wood? Did he take over after she left or something?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on July 25, 2021, 08:17:40 PM
Wow, I totally put G. Willow Wilson out of my mind. She thought it would be hilarious to portray him that way and the Gambit fan were under the bus with other fans because allegedly a Gambit fan suggested it.  Pfft. That was awful. I'd look for the image but nope, don't have it in me to see those dumb pants ever again.  LOL

Thanks for the images Romeo.  An artist today posted some art on Twitter, just torso and head shot of Gambit and Rogue. Gambit looked good, Rogue looked a little young or like one of selfie filters, weird. Great on the artist for sharing though.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: thjan on July 25, 2021, 08:27:49 PM

Willow... Right... You right... Why did I think it was Wood? Did he take over after she left or something?


He started the book and was on the title for most of its run.

Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: andresa on July 25, 2021, 09:06:27 PM
Worse than clown pants was that... person calling Gambit skeevy to justify the clown pants, and his offering free massages and getting the brush-off *sigh*
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: wantutosigh on July 25, 2021, 09:06:51 PM
So it was just to make fun of him then. The free back rubs thing sounds even worse believe it or not.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: andresa on July 25, 2021, 09:10:56 PM

I guess I'm the odd one out in feeling that the theory Claremont provided in The End made some sort of sense and I didn't hate it. However, I love the idea you posited here, too!


I didn't hate it, either. At this point, Gambit's origins not having connections to Sinister would be nonsensical. Having said that, no need for any kind of relation to the boring Summers, please.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: andresa on July 25, 2021, 09:15:24 PM
So it was just to make fun of him then. The free back rubs thing sounds even worse believe it or not.


The combo is worse.


(I apologize in advance.)


(https://64.media.tumblr.com/434947b44df2787a9d5384ea40026ac6/tumblr_nnzhw5qvi81qf8fkeo1_1280.jpg)





Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Varia on July 25, 2021, 09:25:25 PM
My fiance's response to the clown-pants was to cringe and go "#NotMyGambit!"
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: wantutosigh on July 25, 2021, 09:26:23 PM
Damn, that's painful. It even looks like clown shoes too.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Varia on July 25, 2021, 09:29:30 PM
I'd actually be more annoyed if his connection to Sinister was just left unexplored. Plot holes and unexplained strings annoy me to no end.


Exactly!
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Varia on July 25, 2021, 09:36:00 PM

I didn't hate it, either. At this point, Gambit's origins not having connections to Sinister would be nonsensical.

Completely agreed.

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Having said that, no need for any kind of relation to the boring Summers, please.

I highly doubt the Summers could infect Gambit with their boring-ness. But, a connection to Gambit could only make THEM more interesting  :P  .
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on July 25, 2021, 09:38:15 PM

The combo is worse.


(I apologize in advance.)

Don't look Don! The eye sore that is clown pants in the thread.

Thanks for posting it - andresa, I had looked for far too long so that others who didn't know about them would understand. LOL

edit: they're worse than I remember and those shoes! oof. 
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on July 26, 2021, 09:50:12 AM

4chan rumor so don`t be very excited. But it would be really cool if it was a real one.


https://www.cbr.com/netherrealms-marvel-fighting-game-leaks/


The roster for NetherRealm's long-rumored Marvel fighting game has supposedly leaked.


The character list for the game includes, "Captain America, Thor, Iron Man, Black Widow, Hawkeye, Wolverine, Black Panther, Spider-Man, Groot and Rocket (duo character), Blade, Gamora, Moon Knight, Ghost Rider, Gambit, Shang-Chi, Kitty Pryde, Invisible Woman, Mr Fantastic, Hulk, Skaar, Doctor Octopus, Blob, Mojo, Bullseye, Mephisto, Daken, Arnim Zola, Venom, Abomination, Deacon Frost (and) Madam Masque."


Deadpool will be offered as a pre-order bonus. The first DLC pack will reportedly include Daredevil, Cyclops, Raiden and Kylo Ren (of the Star Wars franchise).
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: wantutosigh on July 26, 2021, 02:40:18 PM
4chan rumor so don`t be very excited. But it would be really cool if it was a real one.


https://www.cbr.com/netherrealms-marvel-fighting-game-leaks/ (https://www.cbr.com/netherrealms-marvel-fighting-game-leaks/)


The roster for NetherRealm's long-rumored Marvel fighting game has supposedly leaked.


The character list for the game includes, "Captain America, Thor, Iron Man, Black Widow, Hawkeye, Wolverine, Black Panther, Spider-Man, Groot and Rocket (duo character), Blade, Gamora, Moon Knight, Ghost Rider, Gambit, Shang-Chi, Kitty Pryde, Invisible Woman, Mr Fantastic, Hulk, Skaar, Doctor Octopus, Blob, Mojo, Bullseye, Mephisto, Daken, Arnim Zola, Venom, Abomination, Deacon Frost (and) Madam Masque."


Deadpool will be offered as a pre-order bonus. The first DLC pack will reportedly include Daredevil, Cyclops, Raiden and Kylo Ren (of the Star Wars franchise).


I'd be all over a high quality fighting game with Gambit as a playable character.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on July 27, 2021, 08:42:58 AM
Worse than clown pants was that... person calling Gambit skeevy to justify the clown pants, and his offering free massages and getting the brush-off *sigh*


Ahh... I remember the 'skeevy' comment. When pressed to give examples of such behavior we got crickets. Gambit does have questionable behavior but only die-hard fans that actually read his books would know of the literally 1 or 2 bad looks over his career (the Nun-thing and Storm... and the latter was a two-way street). Most people who trash Gambit make up most of their mental images of him in their heads and just run with headcanon. Cyke, Emma, Wolverine, Angel, Psylocke, and Xavier are ten times more "skeevy" than Gambit has ever been in his 30yr comic history. It's bull*%#%.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on July 27, 2021, 08:45:03 AM
Don't look Don! The eye sore that is clown pants in the thread.

Thanks for posting it - andresa, I had looked for far too long so that others who didn't know about them would understand. LOL

edit: they're worse than I remember and those shoes! oof.


 ???  what..?


::foolishly checks the bottom of the last page::


NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on July 27, 2021, 10:37:22 AM
Well, whatever there is to be said about T.H.’s writing, at the very least she doesn’t use her book as a forum to sh!t-post on Gambit. Can’t say the same for other writers.


The Comic-Con X-panel didn’t provide any insight/info. October solicits are Gambit-free. The only thing gleaned was from Duggan’s Twitter, that each month will feature insight into why each X-Man wanted to be on the NYC team. Next issue is Sunfire. We know from another post that Larraz  has drawn a panel with Gambit, so maybe he’ll cameo in X-Men #3?


When does Inferno start? Before or after I thirst to death from lack of Gambit content?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: thjan on July 27, 2021, 11:44:35 AM

Ahh... I remember the 'skeevy' comment. When pressed to give examples of such behavior we got crickets. Gambit does have questionable behavior but only die-hard fans that actually read his books would know of the literally 1 or 2 bad looks over his career (the Nun-thing and Storm... and the latter was a two-way street). Most people who trash Gambit make up most of their mental images of him in their heads and just run with headcanon. Cyke, Emma, Wolverine, Angel, Psylocke, and Xavier are ten times more "skeevy" than Gambit has ever been in his 30yr comic history. It's bull*%#%.



Yeah, super agree.  That bothers me so much.  I have long found Cyclops to be a bit on the disturbing side when it comes to women and you have no idea how much Emma Frost getting a free pass on everything she does bothers me.  The speculation around that Inferno cover with Frost on it has bothered me for kind of that reason too.  People want her to be part of the "take down" of Xavier and Magneto as if she has any moral high ground whatsoever over either character and want her to take over leadership of Krakoa as if she wouldn't make questionable decisions as well(like I don't know, manipulating the minds of some world leaders or something like she already did lol).


Well, whatever there is to be said about T.H.’s writing, at the very least she doesn’t use her book as a forum to sh!t-post on Gambit. Can’t say the same for other writers.



Yeah, I may have my problems with Howard, but at least she is not actively trying to ruin Gambit like some past writers.  Excalibur is just boring and the worst that has happened where Gambit is concerned is not being used enough and Howard not having his voice or powers quite right.  Disappointing for a fan true, but not damaging the character at least.

Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: andrei on July 27, 2021, 01:33:00 PM
My goodness... every time Marvel trashes Gambit like that I feel bad by giving them my money. That is not Gambit, that's just awful! But you know... it is easier thashing a character and yet got paid to do so. You want to point out some bad behavior? Cool, bring a story out of it and show the character growth.


But hey! Wolverine getting the teenager Jean in ultimate xmen is super cool!! - SARCASM.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on July 28, 2021, 09:56:23 AM
Most people who trash Gambit make up most of their mental images of him in their heads and just run with headcanon. Cyke, Emma, Wolverine, Angel, Psylocke, and Xavier are ten times more "skeevy" than Gambit has ever been in his 30yr comic history. It's bull*%#%.


We have to hold Gambit to a higher standard than Cyke or Emma…or say, I don’t know, actual living-breathing US politicians. Emma, meanwhile, is the epitome of class. I cope by envisioning the bus scene from the end of Mean Girls every time I see the Cuckoos.


I hold that Gambit was given dubious mushrooms at Burning Man. He is straight-up tripping balls.



Yeah, super agree.  That bothers me so much.  I have long found Cyclops to be a bit on the disturbing side when it comes to women and you have no idea how much Emma Frost getting a free pass on everything she does bothers me.  The speculation around that Inferno cover with Frost on it has bothered me for kind of that reason too.  People want her to be part of the "take down" of Xavier and Magneto as if she has any moral high ground whatsoever over either character and want her to take over leadership of Krakoa as if she wouldn't make questionable decisions as well(like I don't know, manipulating the minds of some world leaders or something like she already did lol).



Everyone gets amnesty, it’s the Krakoan way. Free passes all around. Amnesty is not forgiveness, though, and certain characters actually have the capability to experience regret and remorse. Oh, what a world, where the one person who might feel bad about s*** he did is a guy formerly known as Scalphunter. Meanwhile the mastermind behind the massacre is on the Council.


I’m not saying this to be critical of the storytelling because for sure it makes things interesting and seriously, as a US citizen and Ohioan, who am I to criticize any other country’s representatives? Same s***, different venue.


You want to point out some bad behavior? Cool, bring a story out of it and show the character growth.


Me: it’s important to depict the concept of consent in mass media.
Also me, reading Outlander: Jamie: “I plan to use you hard sassenach, whether you will it or nae!” Me: Oh, man, that’s hot.
Me: characters should learn from their mistakes and come to realizations that past behavior is unacceptable.
Also me, reading Gambit: Remy: “I don’t take ‘no’ for an answer.” Me: Yeeeah, boi, get after it!


Consensual non-consent No Means Yes is the theme of literally every romance novel ever written. Is it anti-Feminist? I don’t know. But seriously who is anyone to yuck my yum?


But hey! Wolverine getting the teenager Jean in ultimate xmen is super cool!! - SARCASM.


Okay, now that is Yuck.


Think some writers can’t deal with characters they can’t either see themselves being or see themselves wanting to have sex with. Which is why Emma gets such focus. Upcoming solicits look great if you’re a fan of Emma. Wonder what that’s like, to see your fave appear in multiple books every week looking awesomely righteous. Guess I’ll never know.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on July 28, 2021, 04:43:10 PM

Think some writers can’t deal with characters they can’t either see themselves being or see themselves wanting to have sex with. Which is why Emma gets such focus. Upcoming solicits look great if you’re a fan of Emma. Wonder what that’s like, to see your fave appear in multiple books every week looking awesomely righteous. Guess I’ll never know.


At least we had the 90's... right?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: RomeoSvengali on July 29, 2021, 07:06:31 PM
But hey! Wolverine getting the teenager Jean in ultimate xmen is super cool!! - SARCASM.

That reminds me of X-Men Evolution (a show I never cared for), where some people got angry over that Gambit was only a few years older than Rogue, even though they were not dating, but these same people had no problem with a high school student being with Wolverine...
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on July 29, 2021, 07:53:51 PM
That reminds me of X-Men Evolution (a show I never cared for), where some people got angry over that Gambit was only a few years older than Rogue, even though they were not dating, but these same people had no problem with a high school student being with Wolverine...


Dude, at least wait til she’s out of high school.


Whoever Wolverine is with is going to be considerably younger, unless it’s Mystique, and I don’t have a problem with age discrepancies, but there is only ONE thing any adult grown man is interested in when it comes to a teenage girl. And it’s not her insta feed.


I really liked Evolution. I’m learning now when someone says they were introduced to the X-Men by the cartoon, they are not talking XTAS. They are talking about XM:Evo.


I feel so old.


If Evolution had continued, Rogue would have ended up with Scott. The creators said so. Which meant Jean would be available, and Gambit coulda been all, hey, wanna try my gumbo, chere? And then a whole generation of Jemy shippers might’ve been born. What could’ve been!

Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: RomeoSvengali on July 30, 2021, 01:29:36 AM
Sadly, that's not the first time I've seen people liking and deafening statutory rape pairings, especially these days. I don't see that many people referencing Evolution, at least to the places I go to, and the fact that the writers wanted to kill off Jean and force Scott and Rogue together, despite the fact the two had next to no real connection or similarities, really showed the god awful writing that show had.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on July 30, 2021, 01:39:51 AM
Gambit in X-Men 2 preview.


https://www.superherohype.com/comics/502089-exclusive-preview-x-men-2#2 (https://www.superherohype.com/comics/502089-exclusive-preview-x-men-2#2)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: wantutosigh on July 30, 2021, 03:02:01 AM
Gambit in X-Men 2 preview.


https://www.superherohype.com/comics/502089-exclusive-preview-x-men-2#2



Damn, that small description of events has me nervous.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on July 30, 2021, 08:34:27 AM




Damn, that small description of events has me nervous.



I think I fixed the font-size problem...

Sadly, that's not the first time I've seen people liking and deafening statutory rape pairings, especially these days. I don't see that many people referencing Evolution, at least to the places I go to, and the fact that the writers wanted to kill off Jean and force Scott and Rogue together, despite the fact the two had next to no real connection or similarities, really showed the god awful writing that show had.



Different strokes...I do think Evolution was the best depiction of Rogue I've ever seen, and the only one I like.


Speaking of...so the preview.


Rogue can't risk her flawless reputation, other than her porking the Master of Magnetism (on trial) and her rubbing of mouth-holes with Wade Wilson (murderer 1000x over), by letting it be known her card-sharp husband is gambling in the basement. But we hold Gambit to higher standards because he is that much more of a man.



Please let them send him off to GameWorld. He would fit in so well there!
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on July 30, 2021, 12:40:47 PM
Gambit is playing poker with a villain, grey character and hero. It feets his characterization perfectly.It seems his A+X story where he was playing poker with Thing is not forgotten.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Varia on July 30, 2021, 12:46:14 PM


Different strokes...I do think Evolution was the best depiction of Rogue I've ever seen, and the only one I like.

Different strokes, indeed; I also really enjoyed Evolution's take on Rogue.

However, I wasn't a fan of the whole Rogue/Scott/Jean triangle to begin with. It felt too cliched, what with the loner Goth girl frustrated and envious over the popular guy pining after the popular girl. At most, I felt like Rogue attached to Scott because he was nice to her in a way she hadn't really experienced much in her life before. Then there are the projected insecurities onto Jean... And the many layers go on and on from there.

The crush seemed to kind of fade as she matured, found her footing on the team and developed more stable relationships. IMHO, that kind of growth made Evolution a much more complex show than the usual. Them likely ending up together in the epilogue felt like it undermined that arc a bit and was more of a personal fantasy-pairing for the creators than it was a natural conclusion.
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Rogue can't risk her flawless reputation, other than her porking the Master of Magnetism (on trial) and her rubbing of mouth-holes with Wade Wilson (murderer 1000x over), by letting it be known her card-sharp husband is gambling in the basement. But we hold Gambit to higher standards because he is that much more of a man.



Yes to this whole thing.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: hairlesscat on August 02, 2021, 06:18:04 PM
I enjoyed Evolution Rogue as well. But TAS Rogue will probably always be my ideal media depiction of Rogue.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Sparta on August 03, 2021, 01:11:45 PM
Gambit in X-Men 2 preview.


https://www.superherohype.com/comics/502089-exclusive-preview-x-men-2#2 (https://www.superherohype.com/comics/502089-exclusive-preview-x-men-2#2)



That'll be probably be the only page he'll be in for this issue, and I guess that's fine considering that he's not part of the main cast, so I understand that. But Duggan's got his voice right, he's pretty much in character here.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on August 03, 2021, 06:16:55 PM

That'll be probably be the only page he'll be in for this issue, and I guess that's fine considering that he's not part of the main cast, so I understand that. But Duggan's got his voice right, he's pretty much in character here.


I know, thank god, no third person. I also love how he’s dressed. Two panels of Gambit in X-Men and he’s more in character than 20 issues of Excalibur.


I enjoyed Evolution Rogue as well. But TAS Rogue will probably always be my ideal media depiction of Rogue.


But the screaming… I couldn’t deal with the screaming. Hoping to intro my kid to X-men via Evolution, bc the female characters aren’t always falling down and fainting.


Re: love triangles. Any teen drama is going to have them. At least Rogue/Scott is different. And the Wolverine/Jean angle wouldn’t work bc …gross. Evo Wolvie is like the Keeper of the Keys at Xavier’s. It’d be like Hermione making out with Hagrid.


Evo suffers from lack of Gambit, that’s my complaint.


Is Wolverine and the X-men worth watching?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on August 03, 2021, 07:38:27 PM
RE: XTAS
It wasn't just Rogue screaming, Jean did a lot of that as well. It was annoying.

RE: Xmen 2
Nice nod to continuity ... Thing and Gambit playing cards. Rogue chewing at Gambit ... bleh.

Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Varia on August 03, 2021, 07:47:06 PM

Re: love triangles. Any teen drama is going to have them. At least Rogue/Scott is different. And the Wolverine/Jean angle wouldn’t work bc …gross. Evo Wolvie is like the Keeper of the Keys at Xavier’s. It’d be like Hermione making out with Hagrid.


Love triangles aren't inherently bad. As with most storybuilding tools, it's how they're used. It was the nature of that triangle that struck me as cliche. But, as you said previously; different strokes  :) . I still love the show and its representation of Rogue is one of the best. I love the XTAS one, too, for different reasons.

Wolverine/Jean would have been extremely weird in that show. It was kind of nice to not have to deal with it in general...

Obviously agreed about the lack of Gambit.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Varia on August 03, 2021, 07:50:54 PM
RE: XTAS
It wasn't just Rogue screaming, Jean did a lot of that as well. It was annoying.


*Cough* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzc5VHL1bPM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzc5VHL1bPM)


Don't necessarily agree with the title that she was useless, but this video sums up one of the major reasons I could never really get into her on that show and preferred Rogue.

edit: formatting, content intact.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on August 03, 2021, 09:07:22 PM
Jean got done dirty, following in the footsteps of token female characters in the 80s shows that came before. Do you know how annoying it was as a child to pretend to be Cheetara and faint repeatedly while all my friends got to be Panthro and kick ass with nunchucks? Jean = New Cheetara. Her costume was also an abomination. But as a girl, take what you can get. Batman TAS was the superior show when it came to female characters. Cyke kinda got beat with the jerk-stick, setting up years of fans believing him to be a prissy stuck-up dick. If you’re going to hate him, hate him for leaving his wife and kid, cheating on his second wife, and having sex on her grave with Emma Frost. Wolverine wasn’t so much a rebel as just a freakin’ mean person. Seriously, so mean.

I think I internalized the XTAS Gambit/Jean cooking scene where they both annoy one another and that’s why I like them so much together.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Varia on August 03, 2021, 09:12:13 PM
I think I internalized the XTAS Gambit/Jean cooking scene where they both annoy one another and that’s why I like them so much together.


LOL! That was a great scene.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: wantutosigh on August 04, 2021, 12:24:41 AM
Jean got done dirty, following in the footsteps of token female characters in the 80s shows that came before. Do you know how annoying it was as a child to pretend to be Cheetara and faint repeatedly while all my friends got to be Panthro and kick ass with nunchucks? Jean = New Cheetara. Her costume was also an abomination. But as a girl, take what you can get. Batman TAS was the superior show when it came to female characters. Cyke kinda got beat with the jerk-stick, setting up years of fans believing him to be a prissy stuck-up dick. If you’re going to hate him, hate him for leaving his wife and kid, cheating on his second wife, and having sex on her grave with Emma Frost. Wolverine wasn’t so much a rebel as just a freakin’ mean person. Seriously, so mean.

I think I internalized the XTAS Gambit/Jean cooking scene where they both annoy one another and that’s why I like them so much together.


I'm going to disagree a bit here. Cheetara was certainly not the only Thundercat to often become compromised. Tigra was also compromised alot and even Panthro found himself in those positions. Not to mention Wily Kit, Wily Kat, and Snarf. The idea was to have Lion-o have to deal with his responsibilities and grow into being Lord of the Thundercats. He has to be as good as all of them combined and be the leader. That's pretty much the whole idea of the show.


As far as XMTAS goes, it was typically the most powerful mutants and the psychics that would lose control of their powers and/or their mind. Jean screams and faints a lot but it's typically when her mind is overwhelmed. It happens a lot to Xavier too. Rogue screams and struggles with her powers a lot as well but, like I said it's usually due to her overwhelmed psyche or her her powers being torn between the person she absorbed and herself. Sometimes, because of her durability she is physically being pushed to her breaking point. These are completely legitimate reasons to scream in my opinion and I've never seen an issue with that. Storm sometimes struggles but come on, she is immensely powerful and can control the weather. I would expect things to become erratic when she is pushing her powers. All stuff that I loved about the show.


My favorite Rogue is easily the one from XTAS. First off, Lenore Zann has an amazing voice.  But I love this version of Rogue. She's one of the physically strongest members of the team and also one of the most empathic and sensitive. And her not being able to touch anyone brings it's usual drama but in this show it's juxtaposed to her outgoing personality and charm. That comes off as a bit of a wall she's put up. We see there is a touch of melancholy and a sense of longing with her. Gambit is the character that simply penetrates that wall. These two were just a perfect match for each other at this time. It was true in the comics and this show. And you just root for the two of them. But it's not even like that's all she's about. She has a few of her own interesting stories and has a ton of her own great moments on this show. So counting all the cartoons/shows and the movies, XTAS is by far my favorite Rogue. This version of Rogue is the most endearing and exciting in my opinion.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on August 04, 2021, 08:20:40 AM
I won’t argue with my of that, my friend. Tigra was always first to get hypnotized, drugged, what have you. It became a bit ridiculous. Panthro is still the awesomest, I will not be swayed.


XTAS brought me to the comics (for better or worse) so it will always hold a special place in my heart. The groan-worthy scenes are part of its charm. My criticism, as always, comes from a place of affection. (Unless you’re magneto, in which case, f that guy).


Btw, there’s a Buzzfeed test on which XTAS character you are. I got Rogue…and now I need to go to therapy and revisit all my life choices. Pity my poor husband.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/ladym12/which-xman-are-you-a2rsswqay8?fbclid=IwAR2Qxy_SMbak6ZqP5FBn6qOkLy5F4YAZfmha9YlemzgZ_g9xHWIK1iKdiKM (https://www.buzzfeed.com/ladym12/which-xman-are-you-a2rsswqay8?fbclid=IwAR2Qxy_SMbak6ZqP5FBn6qOkLy5F4YAZfmha9YlemzgZ_g9xHWIK1iKdiKM)


Got the next X-Men this morning. I need to re-read it, but I’m happy enough to go along for the ride. There isn’t anything more than what we saw of Gambit in the preview, except Synch synching with Jean’s powers and saying he can hear Gambit and Rogue arguing in the basement.  :P
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on August 04, 2021, 12:04:46 PM
I liked Rogue's look in Wolverine and the Xmen. Goth was interesting take on her, a little emo but it wasn't horrendous.  Having said that, her killing Mystique while Kurt was there felt wrong.


Re: which xman are you.
These quizzes crack me up. Because if you pay attention you can predict a character you want. I answered what I liked and got Jubilee but I'm certain you can get Gambit easily if you don't pick your favorite things. LOL

RE: XTAS
That show also got me into comics. I romy'ed too, it was the comics that ruined the relationship for me. My first book was a collected edition of Gambit. For the longest time, I treated the hobby as a dirty secret too. LOL Now, I can't care what people think of the hobby. 

The show didn't age well. I tried watching it on Netflix, now its on Disney+ but the animation was not maintained well. Or maybe its my TV but it looks old and out of focus.  It's not standing up well with smart TV's and what not. IMO - Disney should have someone restore it, upgrade it if that is possible.


edit: damn the formatting of the site!
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: GambitMojo on August 07, 2021, 08:43:24 AM
I haven't gotten comics for a LONG time
because the art was TERRIBLE as well as the stories.


Gambit rebated stories were often depressing.


What are they doing with him (& Rogue) now?  :gambit:
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on August 07, 2021, 05:37:31 PM
Yesh, GambitMojo.  :D   Where to begin ....
Gambit and Rogue are married currently. I'll let others add stuff because ... I'm me. LMAO
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on August 08, 2021, 12:24:34 PM

What are they doing with him (& Rogue) now?  :gambit:


I started trying to catch up back in October after a 6 year hiatus and I still don’t know. Since my reading material is strictly Gambit or Sinister centered, if they aren’t involved, I don’t know or care. So I think Gambit’s done nothing for the last two years except own cats and brush Rogue’s hair.


Just read Rogue & Gambit mini, XMen Gold #30, Mr & Mrs X. Skip two years, and start Duggan’s X-Men #1 which at least has Rogue on the team. Unless you’re really into fairies and swords, I find Excalibur unreadable. Not just cause it’s bad, but because I literally can’t understand the sentences that come out of the characters mouths.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on August 08, 2021, 01:32:40 PM
The Rogue and Gambit mini's purpose was to resolve all of their baggage but it was more centered on Rogue.

Mr and Mrs X was an ongoing but again mostly focused on Rogue and whatever her issue of the month was; by the time Gambit got any story the book was cancelled.

Rogue and Gambit got put in Excalibur and that writer had absolutely no clue what to do with Gambit specifically but in all fairness, the writer is terrible with all of the characters.

Gambit hasn't really done anything worthy of note outside of some actions scenes or complaining. Rogue fairs a little better but mostly isn't very nice to her husband.

Now that Rogue is in a different book. That horrible writer on Excalibur still has Gambit, so I can't imagine anything good coming out of that book. The writer (TH) has stated she has plans for Gambit but tbh - that scares me.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on August 08, 2021, 07:42:53 PM
To put the Rogue & Gambit mini plus Mr and Mrs X in a different perspective… it took fourteen issues to resolve all of Rogue’s various problems to at least try to make her palatable. The problem with the relationship was never Gambit. He was always pretty straightforward with his intentions towards Rogue with the exception of the very early issues of the X-Men 1991 series. He had every reason to leave the X-Men to protect himself, and instead stuck it out because he loved Rogue, who made him want to be a better person. He told her he loved her, he showed her he loved her, and at every turn was rejected or ignored. He had his spaz moments, mostly due to Rogue and her continuous rejections.


But.


He got better. She doubled down on being—herself.


So yes, the Thompson’s run is Rogue-focused not just because she is the author’s Mary Sue, but because it was Rogue’s fault. She was the reason for the angst and unhappiness.


It does irritate me though, that Thompson never had Rogue apologize. “I’m sorry for how I treated you, I made terrible choices and mistakes”  would have gone a lot further for me than her excuses and explanations for her abominable behavior.



Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: wantutosigh on August 08, 2021, 10:35:48 PM
To put the Rogue & Gambit mini plus Mr and Mrs X in a different perspective… it took fourteen issues to resolve all of Rogue’s various problems to at least try to make her palatable. The problem with the relationship was never Gambit. He was always pretty straightforward with his intentions towards Rogue with the exception of the very early issues of the X-Men 1991 series. He had every reason to leave the X-Men to protect himself, and instead stuck it out because he loved Rogue, who made him want to be a better person. He told her he loved her, he showed her he loved her, and at every turn was rejected or ignored. He had his spaz moments, mostly due to Rogue and her continuous rejections.


But.


He got better. She doubled down on being—herself.


So yes, the Thompson’s run is Rogue-focused not just because she is the author’s Mary Sue, but because it was Rogue’s fault. She was the reason for the angst and unhappiness.


It does irritate me though, that Thompson never had Rogue apologize. “I’m sorry for how I treated you, I made terrible choices and mistakes”  would have gone a lot further for me than her excuses and explanations for her abominable behavior.


What a terrific post. I 100% agree with everything. That's why I was pretty happy with most of Rogue and Gambit & Mr. and Mrs. X. I knew she had a lot of baggage and a lot to make up for. Gambit was straight up about his intentions and how he felt. It made sense to focus more on her if we were to accept a marriage. It just sucks that mr and mrs x had to end just as there was room to focus on Gambit's story.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on August 10, 2021, 01:09:15 PM
Watching Rogue harp at Gambit in X-Men 2 made me cringe, not because it was wrong or annoyed me, but because I don't trust any of the current writers to portray them properly.. to Duggan's credit, this wasn't bad. Gambit was doing something fairly in character. I think it'd make more sense for him to be divorced from Excalibur completely for continuity sake, but this was fine as long as it doesn't become a running joke.


Gambit will probably never get his fair shake while being written by someone who doesn't care. He's a fan favorite that needs to be balanced properly to work, otherwise he's no more than gimmick. Tini might be a fine writer if she had an editor to direct her and was allowed to pull in characters for her book that make sense i.e. Pixie, Selene, Emplate, Forge, Magik and Colossus (on a stretch). Gambit is in no way in this vein.


Neither are Jubilee or Rictor prior to his arrival, which still was very forced and creepy (his fixation on Apocalypse - something we saw in AoA which ended in a gruesome death at Apocalypse's hand... Literally).



Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on August 11, 2021, 08:12:18 AM
It just sucks that mr and mrs x had to end just as there was room to focus on Gambit's story.


Her momentary focus on Gambit was to repeat what had already been done better by FabNic and Asmus. Why was he fighting to be leader of a bunch of NOLA punks again when he was made King?

[/size]
Watching Rogue harp at Gambit in X-Men 2 made me cringe, not because it was wrong or annoyed me, but because I don't trust any of the current writers to portray them properly.. to Duggan's credit, this wasn't bad. Gambit was doing something fairly in character. I think it'd make more sense for him to be divorced from Excalibur completely for continuity sake, but this was fine as long as it doesn't become a running joke.


Gambit is fine. He has been training for this moment his whole life. First, whatever hell the Guilds put him through, being awake for his own lobotomy, eviscerated by Sabretooth, tortured by the Mengo Bros, transformed while conscious by Apocalypse. He knows pain and suffering. Marriage to Rogue is what he's built up to.


I kid...kinda.


Seriously though, if Gambit had gone through the Weapon X program, he wouldn't have been plagued by agony and nightmares. He woulda taken off that dumb helmet thing and been like: Tis but a flesh wound! and then gone out for drinks and dancing.

Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on August 13, 2021, 06:56:38 PM
https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/deadpool-black-white-blood-2-preview-art (https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/deadpool-black-white-blood-2-preview-art)


Gambit spotted in Deadpool Black White and Blood #2.



Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: wantutosigh on August 13, 2021, 11:41:30 PM
https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/deadpool-black-white-blood-2-preview-art (https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/deadpool-black-white-blood-2-preview-art)


Gambit spotted in Deadpool Black White and Blood #2.


Not interested in Gambit being anywhere near a Deadpool book.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: GambitMojo on August 14, 2021, 02:40:06 PM
I MISS seeing Gambit art .
I PREFERR his with out the cowel (head thing)
especially when not of his uniform.  :gambit:


There is no new Gambit art in 2021 ?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on August 14, 2021, 03:43:18 PM

Not interested in Gambit being anywhere near a Deadpool book.


Aw I think he looks like a cutie patootie. If anyone belongs in a black/white/red comic it’s Remy. Those eyes!! Swoon.


I MISS seeing Gambit art .
I PREFERR his with out the cowel (head thing)
especially when not of his uniform.  :gambit:


There is no new Gambit art in 2021 ?


I drew a sketch of Gambit and Bishop on my deviantart, but the eyes came out wrong and I haven’t drawn anything in 6 years so I won’t post it here. He’s not wearing the head sock tho. I also did him and Black Cat but she came out weird.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: thjan on August 14, 2021, 06:08:56 PM
https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/deadpool-black-white-blood-2-preview-art (https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/deadpool-black-white-blood-2-preview-art)


Gambit spotted in Deadpool Black White and Blood #2.


Cool!  I will be getting this. Gambit indeed looks great in this art.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on August 14, 2021, 06:18:07 PM
https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/deadpool-black-white-blood-2-preview-art (https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/deadpool-black-white-blood-2-preview-art)


Gambit spotted in Deadpool Black White and Blood #2.


Cool! Will check this for sure.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on August 16, 2021, 07:39:43 PM
Deadpool Black, White and Blood #2's release date is Sept 8th .... I think I'll do digital for it.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on August 18, 2021, 10:58:30 AM

Hickman is leaving X books after Inferno mini.

Hickman: So after Inferno, I'll be leaving to go work on my 'Next Big Marvel Thing™' and starting in January the X-Line will rocket forward starting with a weekly series that leads into the very cool, refocused, line of books. Yes, it's taken us a little while to get everything assembled correctly, but the end result — everything that's coming after Inferno — is going to be pretty great.



"So refocused line of X books will start from February or March with new #1.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on August 18, 2021, 12:54:37 PM
Hickman is leaving X books after Inferno mini.

Hickman: So after Inferno, I'll be leaving to go work on my 'Next Big Marvel Thing™' and starting in January the X-Line will rocket forward starting with a weekly series that leads into the very cool, refocused, line of books. Yes, it's taken us a little while to get everything assembled correctly, but the end result — everything that's coming after Inferno — is going to be pretty great.



"So refocused line of X books will start from February or March with new #1.


Yes. He's leaving and his story was morbidly altered because the other X-Men writers didn't want to move on. Krakoa-era is basically stuck in the 1st act (literally) of blissful mutant happiness which ignores just about every piece of setup we saw in HoX and PoX. This is why we got a month of fashion with so little going on, if it didn't happen at all, nothing today would be different. It was fluff pushed on readers as an event. Nothing about Krakoa's creation told me that it was meant to last long. It was set up around corruption and deception. How can that be a lasting foundation.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: andrei on August 19, 2021, 01:24:13 PM
have you peps heard anyhing about a post credit scene from Shang Chi that hints Gambit?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on August 19, 2021, 01:31:32 PM
have you peps heard anyhing about a post credit scene from Shang Chi that hints Gambit?


Wow, I had ignored that tweet, now I plan on watching the promo material. I haven't heard much but now I'm intrigued.  I'll update this soon.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: wantutosigh on August 19, 2021, 01:31:40 PM
have you peps heard anyhing about a post credit scene from Shang Chi that hints Gambit?


No. Is that what you heard?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on August 19, 2021, 01:59:27 PM
I put the trailer in the movie thread. I did not see anything via the trailer to give a hint of Gambit.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: wantutosigh on August 19, 2021, 02:34:39 PM
It seems there are a million theories on what it could be and one of them is Gambit. So I'll reserve any excitement.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on August 19, 2021, 05:15:43 PM
Any link to tweet or theory that it may me Gambit?
Can't find anyrhing.


Yeah. We should keep our excitement low.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: andresa on August 19, 2021, 05:28:27 PM
There's nothing. Gambit is just one of the many names people are throwing around.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on August 19, 2021, 05:40:51 PM
There's nothing. Gambit is just one of the many names people are throwing around.


Oh, thanks. So it is not Gambit for sure.


Probably someone who gets movie soon like Blade or Deadpool.

Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: andrei on August 20, 2021, 10:59:41 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdGpzcf5HTk


yeah... Im on the low hope boat as well, this got to be something... if not Gambit, maybe a cool thing (cuz Gambit is the awesome kind of thing! haha)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: wantutosigh on August 20, 2021, 05:57:31 PM
Looks like the strongest rumor right now is them teasing an Iron Fist reboot. wow. I couldn't care less. They have the X-Men and Fantastic Four ready to go and this is the post credit scene that is blowing these critics minds? ???
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: anya on August 21, 2021, 12:13:11 PM
There’s a spoiler thread up on Reddit (because preview screenings have started) and no gambit hints or mentions. The post credit scenes described honestly don’t sound that special/ interesting, but I guess COVID movie starvation has made everyone crazy…
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: wantutosigh on August 24, 2021, 05:57:13 PM
Well the big post credit scene has been leaked. It's Captain Marvel .woohoo >:(
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on August 25, 2021, 03:41:50 AM
Gambit has not ties to Shang-Chi so I am not surprised.


I need to admit that I don`t expect Gambit to be even in the first line-up of X-Men. We, Gambit fans, are just always get a wrong end of the stick. Nothing so far gives me any hope that this time it will be different.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on August 26, 2021, 03:56:13 AM
When X-Men Legends got announced we were told that writers will be Chris Claremont, Louise Simonson, Fabian Nicieza, Larry Hama, Peter David, and more.[/size]Legends 1-2 - Nicieza and Adam XLegends 3-4 Simonson and Original X-FactorLegends 5-6 Peter David and his X-FactorLegends 7-9 Larry Hama with Wolverine soloIf Hama`s arc ends with #9 than I suppose that #10 - 12 will be Claremont arc for Gambit. Maybe even with John Romita on art.[/color]
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on August 27, 2021, 05:34:02 AM
Just ideas if Claremont is really writing a 3 part Gambit story for Legends.
[/size][/color]
[/size]So what if it was a story in the past revealing that Gambit was really working for Sinister with a mission to destroy X-Men from within and would betray and fight Sinister and refuse to work with him at the end?[/color][/size]I would make it with time jumps and adding some canon existing moments that changed his motives. So the final battle would be after X-Men #45 with emotional impact on Gambit from a story with Rogue and Sinister cameo that soon Gambit must betray the X-Men.It can be done as a solo Gambit story without X-Men even finding out at the end about his bad motives before he chooses a side of good. Or maybe only Storm would know and keep it as his secret because he chose the right choice at the end.I would love that:)[/color]
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: wantutosigh on August 27, 2021, 03:34:39 PM
https://screenrant.com/gambit-contest-champions-marvel-strongest-heroes-phoenix/amp/ (https://screenrant.com/gambit-contest-champions-marvel-strongest-heroes-phoenix/amp/)

I'm always glad when these types of pieces go out.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on August 28, 2021, 05:12:51 AM
Just a good old moment.



Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on August 28, 2021, 09:06:26 AM
Just ideas if Claremont is really writing a 3 part Gambit story for Legends.
So what if it was a story in the past revealing that Gambit was really working for Sinister with a mission to destroy X-Men from within and would betray and fight Sinister and refuse to work with him at the end? [/color][/size]I would make it with time jumps and adding some canon existing moments that changed his motives. So the final battle would be after X-Men #45 with emotional impact on Gambit from a story with Rogue and Sinister cameo that soon Gambit must betray the X-Men.It can be done as a solo Gambit story without X-Men even finding out at the end about his bad motives before he chooses a side of good. Or maybe only Storm would know and keep it as his secret because he chose the right choice at the end.I would love that:)[/color]


Pretty desperate for Gambit content. This is giving me hope. Vignettes of Gambit’s random acts of heroism and compassion eventually culminating in him realizing he’s not such a bad guy after all. Like in XTAS, Xavier saying:[/color][/size] how often must a scoundrel prove himself a hero, before he believes it himself. (Dang, who made these kids shows anyway?)[/color][/size][/color][/size]Maybe not Storm knowing, but have Xavier know, and because he’s pretty shady himself, keeping Gambit’s secret.[/color][/size]Here’s hoping we hear something, anything…[/color]
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[/size]https://screenrant.com/gambit-contest-champions-marvel-strongest-heroes-phoenix/amp/ (https://screenrant.com/gambit-contest-champions-marvel-strongest-heroes-phoenix/amp/)

I'm always glad when these types of pieces go out.
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I don’t know what to make of this. “Marvel admitted he’s an A-List hero”? When? Like 20 years ago? This article makes it sound like they were forced to confess after a water-boarding session. ‘Admit it! Gambit is great! Or else you get the hose again!’
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: wantutosigh on August 28, 2021, 12:07:41 PM
I don’t know what to make of this. “Marvel admitted he’s an A-List hero”? When? Like 20 years ago? This article makes it sound like they were forced to confess after a water-boarding session. ‘Admit it! Gambit is great! Or else you get the hose again!’


The headline is confusing as hell but the article is mainly talking about how Gambit is pretty much top tier when it comes to power and abilities and can take out the best and is giving examples. I just like when these types of articled pop up because too many people out there think Gambit is not formidable. There's been a lot of these articles over the last while proving that incorrect and I like the idea of people getting a chance to read these things who maybe bought into the idea that Gambit isn't powerful or isn't a good fighter or what have you.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on August 28, 2021, 05:11:42 PM
Just watched Reynolds new movie Free Guy. I liked it.
Tatum has kinda big cameo in it that was the most hilarious part of movie.


Interesting that Free Guy director is rumored to direct Deadpool 3.


In an interview with Inverse, Shawn Levy does his best to avoid commenting on the rumors that he could team up with Reynolds again for Deadpool 3. “I'm going to mostly skirt that question,” Levy says, “which might be an answer."

So, no high hopes but I would love Tatum as Gambit in Deadpool 3, even as Variant Gambit.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: wantutosigh on August 28, 2021, 06:12:34 PM
I do not like the idea of Gambit in a Deadpool movie at all. Especially not for his first appearance. It's probably the last way I'd want it done.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on August 28, 2021, 06:22:06 PM
I think that visual right and great action is very important for Gambit's first MCU appearence and Deadpool movies can do justice with that.


If Gambit appear in D+ first then I fear his action won't be as  good.
I loved Loki, WandaVision was great and FATWS was mostly fine but noone of the D+ shows provided quality fighting scenes so far.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: wantutosigh on August 28, 2021, 06:31:16 PM
I'm more concerned with Gambit's characterization done properly in his introduction. Got to start him right. Characters are basically parodied in Deadpool movies. Ruined basically and damn I didn't wait this long for a live action version of Gambit to be ruined right out of the gate. We already got that once in XMOW. In Deadpool it could be even worse.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on August 29, 2021, 05:01:00 AM
Reynolds and Tatum are friends. If Gambit to appear in D3 than he to be used as Domino or Cable in D2 and not as Shatterstar.


I think it would be cool but probably won't happen.


(https://www.houseofmcomics.com/media/catalog/product/cache/b332b746af9c0f248122a4a366eccf8e/3/b/3b_4.jpg)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: killphil on August 29, 2021, 04:03:02 PM
I don’t know what to make of this. “Marvel admitted he’s an A-List hero”? When? Like 20 years ago? This article makes it sound like they were forced to confess after a water-boarding session. ‘Admit it! Gambit is great! Or else you get the hose again!’
It was written by Claremont, and he's always treated Gambit rather decently. This was the 1st time Claremont had written Gambit since his early 90's departure. Plus it was released at a time when Marvel editorial respected Gambit (Quesada wouldn't take over as EIC for another couple years).

I remember when this series came out. It was during the 1st year of the Nicieza/Skroce monthly series. The artist even draws Gambit's outfit with Skroce's flairs, such as the added lines going downwards thru the stripes on Gambit's legs, and Gambit's chestplate only having horizontal lines instead of the usual crisscrossing pattern that's usually seen.
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-OtzDRRi7mFg/VyQSvzO-5bI/AAAAAAAAF54/3Ucs8U7XwKg9k8Jxo1o6gts1ktEHnWvmACCo/s1600/RCO021.jpg
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: thjan on August 29, 2021, 04:53:03 PM
I do not like the idea of Gambit in a Deadpool movie at all. Especially not for his first appearance. It's probably the last way I'd want it done.


Could not agree more.  I want Gambit to be part of the careful planning they are obviously putting into the X-Men reboot.  I don't want him sidelined into a goofy Deadpool movie and introduced way before all the other X-Men.  Plus, I am so done with the old Fox and Sony franchises.  I want a completely clean slate for these characters. I am already bummed about the upcoming Spider-Man and Doctor Strange sequels.  I loved the first two Holland Spidey movies and was really looking forward to the third until I started seeing all the rumors of the about Sony characters appearing.  The recent trailer completely removed all my excitement for it, and I have never not looked forward to a MCU movie.  And now the rumors are starting about the next Doctor Strange movie... sigh.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on August 29, 2021, 04:56:30 PM
Found at CBR. From some deleted twitter post.


Claremont's Gambit project appears to have a #4.[/size]Seems to say "Open on riverboat ..."?[/color]
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on August 29, 2021, 05:01:18 PM
Found it.


Claremont teases Gambit 4 on his IG.


(https://i.redd.it/zhljc1ctkbk71.jpg)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on August 29, 2021, 06:07:18 PM


Found it.


Claremont teases Gambit 4 on his IG.


(https://i.redd.it/zhljc1ctkbk71.jpg)



he got that felted lockheed from a fan when he was here in cleveland last week.


it does indeed look like we might have something to be excited about! gambit #4(?), not legends starring gambit.




Could not agree more.  I want Gambit to be part of the careful planning they are obviously putting into the X-Men reboot.  I don't want him sidelined into a goofy Deadpool movie and introduced way before all the other X-Men.  Plus, I am so done with the old Fox and Sony franchises.  I want a completely clean slate for these characters. I am already bummed about the upcoming Spider-Man and Doctor Strange sequels.  I loved the first two Holland Spidey movies and was really looking forward to the third until I started seeing all the rumors of the about Sony characters appearing.  The recent trailer completely removed all my excitement for it, and I have never not looked forward to a MCU movie.  And now the rumors are starting about the next Doctor Strange movie... sigh.



i can't get too excited about any live action comic movie really... but, any publicity is good publicity...?


it'd made sense for gambit to first appear in a group of misfit gray-area characters. i really enjoy the deadpool movies, and it's the only marvel movies my SO will watch with me. A LOT of people would see a DP movie. including those girlfriends whose boyfriends dragged them to see some super-violent comic movie and then it'll be: Oh, Who Is This Sexy Red-Eyed Fellow With the Accent? Maybe I Like Comic Movies Too...?


there's nothing that could make me watch another doc strange movie. i got vertigo from the last one.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on August 30, 2021, 08:55:40 AM
Yeah. All I got from that is maybe "Gambit #4"
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on August 30, 2021, 09:10:12 AM
Reynolds and Tatum are friends. If Gambit to appear in D3 than he to be used as Domino or Cable in D2 and not as Shatterstar.


I think it would be cool but probably won't happen.



I agree. I don't think it would happen, nor do I really want it - but if Gambit were in a Deadpool movie he'd be at the same level as the main cast as his brand is viable and would most likely be protected. I'd elevate it above Domino, second only to Cable due to who's plays him. Cable is a popular character among comic readers, but most people only know him from the Deadpool movie and remember him as a recurring character in XTAS. The most popular X-Men will continue to be the XTAS main cast, at least for the next decade or so while those who watched the show are still going to the movies, taking their kids, and watching/streaming content.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on August 30, 2021, 06:23:55 PM
Yeah. All I got from that is maybe "Gambit #4"


I think he uses some shorthand symbols so that makes it harder to read.
i see:


gambit #4 outline 18 to 21


open @ riverboat on Matisse(?) poker high stakes table folk having fun


[then there is a drawing of a poker table]


counterpoint re: doc talking @ remy being away


remy top [indecipherable] at the bottom


cut to them [indeciperhable]


banks(?) medal(?) cloves(?) school's ok days to see(?)  lol, wut?


why? next one, remy takes (talks?) to mob he [indeciperable]


solars(?) on trail


the last word i can read is "rules"


he spells 'remy' several times, using lowercase 'r'.


see, sometimes spending the day reading manuscripts from the early 1800s translates to real world applications. i've read a lot worse. haha.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on August 31, 2021, 01:52:02 AM

I think he uses some shorthand symbols so that makes it harder to read.
i see:


gambit #4 outline 18 to 21


open @ riverboat on Matisse(?) poker high stakes table folk having fun


[then there is a drawing of a poker table]


counterpoint re: doc talking @ remy being away


remy top [indecipherable] at the bottom


cut to them [indeciperhable]


banks(?) medal(?) cloves(?) school's ok days to see(?)  lol, wut?


why? next one, remy takes (talks?) to mob he [indeciperable]


solars(?) on trail


the last word i can read is "rules"


he spells 'remy' several times, using lowercase 'r'.


see, sometimes spending the day reading manuscripts from the early 1800s translates to real world applications. i've read a lot worse. haha.


Wow! You have a real superpower!
Thanks!
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on August 31, 2021, 09:10:09 AM

Nothing new in it but


Chris Claremont Definitely Writing New Gambit Comic Series
https://bleedingcool.com/comics/chris-claremont-definitely-writing-new-gambit-comic-series/
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on August 31, 2021, 09:23:50 AM
I wonder if this is going to be part of Legends or its own thing... "big Krakoan plan" ... there is no plan. Not anymore. The way in which the story has been going has all but proved that much. That and Hickman saying as much  ;D
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on August 31, 2021, 09:36:08 AM
I think it was planned as part of Legends at the beginning.
Maybe Legends sales made Marvel to change their mind because Gambit #1 by Claremont will sell better than Legends #10 by Claremont.


Claremont hates Hickman X-Men era. So it will be placed in past for sure.
Don, do you think that Claremont will use his treatment for Tatum's script as inspiration for Gambit comic?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on August 31, 2021, 11:35:47 AM
I think it was planned as part of Legends at the beginning.
Maybe Legends sales made Marvel to change their mind because Gambit #1 by Claremont will sell better than Legends #10 by Claremont.


Claremont hates Hickman X-Men era. So it will be placed in past for sure.
Don, do you think that Claremont will use his treatment for Tatum's script as inspiration for Gambit comic?


Don't say sexy things like that to me. I don't like being excited unnecessarily. All jokes aside - I don't think that script is being thrown away entirely. I'd assume chunks of it will be used in the MCU and since the MCU routinely harvests their scripts from comics I wouldn't be surprised if they have Claremont adapt parts of it (seeing as he inspired parts of it) and use his story as something of a filter between the original Fox treatment and what will become the MCUs version.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: thjan on August 31, 2021, 02:50:37 PM

I think he uses some shorthand symbols so that makes it harder to read.
i see:


gambit #4 outline 18 to 21


open @ riverboat on Matisse(?) poker high stakes table folk having fun


[then there is a drawing of a poker table]


counterpoint re: doc talking @ remy being away


remy top [indecipherable] at the bottom


cut to them [indeciperhable]


banks(?) medal(?) cloves(?) school's ok days to see(?)  lol, wut?


why? next one, remy takes (talks?) to mob he [indeciperable]


solars(?) on trail


the last word i can read is "rules"


he spells 'remy' several times, using lowercase 'r'.


see, sometimes spending the day reading manuscripts from the early 1800s translates to real world applications. i've read a lot worse. haha.


Awesome!  Thanks for all that.  I certainly couldn't make out that much.  Super looking forward to some Claremont written Gambit issues!
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on August 31, 2021, 02:58:03 PM

Don't say sexy things like that to me. I don't like being excited unnecessarily. All jokes aside - I don't think that script is being thrown away entirely. I'd assume chunks of it will be used in the MCU and since the MCU routinely harvests their scripts from comics I wouldn't be surprised if they have Claremont adapt parts of it (seeing as he inspired parts of it) and use his story as something of a filter between the original Fox treatment and what will become the MCUs version.


Ahhah))
Yeah, I hope that part of scipt would be used in Claremont's story and later in MCU. But Claremont probably only wrote a treatment for it and never read a full script.
Damn, I would pay a lot to see Gambit so dangerous that enemies even afraid of slices of orange in his hands.
That moment in script was soooo good.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on August 31, 2021, 05:07:39 PM

Ahhah))
Yeah, I hope that part of scipt would be used in Claremont's story and later in MCU. But Claremont probably only wrote a treatment for it and never read a full script.
Damn, I would pay a lot to see Gambit so dangerous that enemies even afraid of slices of orange in his hands.
That moment in script was soooo good.


Nah nah nah, the bathroom fight scene!
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on August 31, 2021, 05:58:10 PM

Nah nah nah, the bathroom fight scene!


Nope, plan with envelopes :gambit:
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on August 31, 2021, 06:02:00 PM
2 new event books announced for January 2022.
X of lives of Wolverine and X of deathes of Wolverine.


Not a joke. I thought it was a joke first.


It will be a weekly series written by Percy like House of X and Powers of X.


So it seems that new #1 titles will start on March and April.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on August 31, 2021, 07:46:11 PM
you can tell the hickman era is over if they're launching events that don't focus solely on magneto and emma frost. i'm actually glad for wolverine, he's done jack-crap for two years (something about fighting plant people). over-saturation has made me hate some of these characters sucking up all the oxygen of every book they're in.


the nice thing about solo titles is that they are easily ignored. not like crossover events which is just me committing to being confused for a couple months because i refuse to buy any other book except the one i want to buy. like, i still don't know what happened in messiah complex. or x-cutioner's song for that matter. you think i'm gonna buy x-force? screw that.


hopeful that if there is a gambit book it is taking place in the present. maybe these are his "plans" he mentioned in excalibur. if he's putzing about NYC as we saw in x-men, then he's not traipsing around krakoa. i did figure out it says "cut to them detonating bomb" in cc's script. unclear who "they" are, could be gambit and his companion. plus we have the deadpool issue coming out next week, and he's at a pool party. fun!


i think i finally figured out how to make sense of excalibur. just pretend gambit is brian braddock, rogue is meggan, jubliee/shogo combined are their creepily precocious elf baby. i can't explain rictor tho. his existence is still a mystery to me.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on August 31, 2021, 08:39:20 PM
2 new event books announced for January 2022.
X of lives of Wolverine and X of deathes of Wolverine.


Not a joke. I thought it was a joke first.


It will be a weekly series written by Percy like House of X and Powers of X.


So it seems that new #1 titles will start on March and April.


Nothing about those titles interest me. Coming from a wolverine fan and die hard overall X-Men fan. We've seen this. How is that going to be interesting. I know what they thought. "Everyone likes Wolverine! Let's make a whole @$$ event around him! Yeah they'll buy that!"
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on August 31, 2021, 08:44:05 PM
you can tell the hickman era is over if they're launching events that don't focus solely on magneto and emma frost. i'm actually glad for wolverine, he's done jack-crap for two years (something about fighting plant people). over-saturation has made me hate some of these characters sucking up all the oxygen of every book they're in.


the nice thing about solo titles is that they are easily ignored. not like crossover events which is just me committing to being confused for a couple months because i refuse to buy any other book except the one i want to buy. like, i still don't know what happened in messiah complex. or x-cutioner's song for that matter. you think i'm gonna buy x-force? screw that.


hopeful that if there is a gambit book it is taking place in the present. maybe these are his "plans" he mentioned in excalibur. if he's putzing about NYC as we saw in x-men, then he's not traipsing around krakoa. i did figure out it says "cut to them detonating bomb" in cc's script. unclear who "they" are, could be gambit and his companion. plus we have the deadpool issue coming out next week, and he's at a pool party. fun!


i think i finally figured out how to make sense of excalibur. just pretend gambit is brian braddock, rogue is meggan, jubliee/shogo combined are their creepily precocious elf baby. i can't explain rictor tho. his existence is still a mystery to me.


Rumor has it that Hickman's era ended some time ago. They'd moved on and started developing their own ideas which how Hellfire Gala became a thing and why Planet Sized read like it existed all on its own (characters out of place, dressed differently, not referencing thing that just happened at the party etc). You can tell Hickman guided Duggan through the story and even what parts of X of Swords was his. I think it's obvious that whole event was reworked halfway through. The promo art had zero to do with what happened. They scrubbed entire solicit publishing schedules to make that work
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on September 01, 2021, 01:48:26 AM


hopeful that if there is a gambit book it is taking place in the present. maybe these are his "plans" he mentioned in excalibur. if he's putzing about NYC as we saw in x-men, then he's not traipsing around krakoa. i did figure out it says "cut to them detonating bomb" in cc's script. unclear who "they" are, could be gambit and his companion. plus we have the deadpool issue coming out next week, and he's at a pool party. fun!


I think they are Gambit and deaged Storm. Would love solo to be in present but it probably takes place in past.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on September 01, 2021, 05:33:08 AM

Nothing about those titles interest me. Coming from a wolverine fan and die hard overall X-Men fan. We've seen this. How is that going to be interesting. I know what they thought. "Everyone likes Wolverine! Let's make a whole @$$ event around him! Yeah they'll buy that!"
Not interested in this too.


I think it will be similar to Days of Future Past movie. Wolverine`s mind will be sent in 10 alt Wolverine bodies from 10 Moira`s lives. One by one we will see how all X-Men and Wolverine will be killed in all 10 lives so at the end Logan will find a way how to stop death cycle and start Second Krakoa age.[/size]So I am sure that most X-Men will appear as alternative cameos but probably just to be killed in some brutal way for shocking moments.[/color]
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on September 01, 2021, 05:39:11 AM

Rumor has it that Hickman's era ended some time ago. They'd moved on and started developing their own ideas which how Hellfire Gala became a thing and why Planet Sized read like it existed all on its own (characters out of place, dressed differently, not referencing thing that just happened at the party etc). You can tell Hickman guided Duggan through the story and even what parts of X of Swords was his. I think it's obvious that whole event was reworked halfway through. The promo art had zero to do with what happened. They scrubbed entire solicit publishing schedules to make that work


I doubt it. It seems Hickman helped to create next Line of X books for near years.
For Gambit fans it is the worst thing that can happen because it means again No real plans for Gambit. Maximum that we can get is a supporting role in some team book like Excalibur and hoping that new writer don`t hate him as Howard and may at least do something with him.


I am excited for Claremont`s project but I am sure that it won`t be in Krakoa`s age. Claremont hates it and he is right. He told that most character development, friends of characters were killed with Krakoa`s new age. And look at Gambit who is now live for some stupid reason in Braddock`s lighthouse and have Nothing to add to his character on Krakoa except of 3 cats. Even his wife don`t live with him. Pure trash.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: andresa on September 01, 2021, 09:05:08 AM
I'd love for this story to take place in the present, but definitely not on Krakoa (I loathe this current era), anywhere else, have Gambit do his own stuff, go on solo missions, anything other than what we have now.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on September 01, 2021, 10:05:11 AM
Not interested in this too.
I think it will be similar to Days of Future Past movie. Wolverine`s mind will be sent in 10 alt Wolverine bodies from 10 Moira`s lives. One by one we will see how all X-Men and Wolverine will be killed in all 10 lives so at the end Logan will find a way how to stop death cycle and start Second Krakoa age.So I am sure that most X-Men will appear as alternative cameos but probably just to be killed in some brutal way for shocking moments.


I can’t imagine anything more tedious than that.


“If people liked it with Moira, what would happen if we did it with Wolvie?” Don’t we have enough iterations of Logan?


This is a little tedious too:
https://anchor.fm/cerebrocast/episodes/Episode-049-Remy-LeBeau-feat--Chris-Robinson-e16o8kh (https://anchor.fm/cerebrocast/episodes/Episode-049-Remy-LeBeau-feat--Chris-Robinson-e16o8kh)


It has some moments.


Maybe not a solo-solo. Remy’s at his best as a mentor or friend. He needs someone to play off of. My favorite parts of the past stories was Gambit/Ororo, Gambit/Courier, Gambit/Fence, Gambit/X-23, Gambit/Wolvie. Also Gambit/Quicksilver because that was great. Just a whole page of them slapping one another in the face.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on September 01, 2021, 04:01:18 PM
Now I don't think that Gambit story is for current X-Men Legends. #10 -12 will probably be by Claremont but about Pryde and Storm.All other from #1 cover already got their stories.


(https://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/f/c0/6026d16e53203/clean.jpg)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on September 02, 2021, 11:45:24 AM

I doubt it. It seems Hickman helped to create next Line of X books for near years.



Oh, no he was the Head of X and planned out EVERYTHING. But he just said in an interview that when it was time to move on (Im assuming some after X of Swords or before), the rest of the office was happy to stay in act 1 of the 3 that he planned. Several months ago on the same site in a different interview the current X-Men editor (Jordan White) said himself that they've "moved on" from Hickman's original plan. The X-Men writers want to stay in this era for the time being instead of evolving the story as Hickman stated. What we're seeing is Duggan, Ayala, Howard, Percy etc. sorta doing their own thing - which is why things seem disjointed and rutterless. They aren't telling the same narrative we started in HoX/PoX.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on September 03, 2021, 05:13:32 AM

Oh, no he was the Head of X and planned out EVERYTHING. But he just said in an interview that when it was time to move on (Im assuming some after X of Swords or before), the rest of the office was happy to stay in act 1 of the 3 that he planned. Several months ago on the same site in a different interview the current X-Men editor (Jordan White) said himself that they've "moved on" from Hickman's original plan. The X-Men writers want to stay in this era for the time being instead of evolving the story as Hickman stated. What we're seeing is Duggan, Ayala, Howard, Percy etc. sorta doing their own thing - which is why things seem disjointed and rutterless. They aren't telling the same narrative we started in HoX/PoX.


Not narrative that bothers me but lead characters that are in focus. I sincerely doubt that Gambit would get any lead project in Krakoa ear while Hickman is still there. If Hickman helped to create future books than it will be the same few characters as lead focus.



Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on September 03, 2021, 08:19:09 AM
During Inferno, I am hoping some of the secrets/lies come to light, the shenanigans are questioned, and the Council is deposed. Though now that they want to stay in this “first act”, I fear that won’t happen. Seeing Psylocke headlining the previews is a good sign, I hope she imposes some Jacobin-like revolutionary justice and clears a few heads from the council table.


Maybe there will be a war of secession on the island? An exodus of the disenfranchised? A power vacuum that brings Apocalypse back? A power shift from those with omega-level powers and money to those mutants who more accurately represent the real Krakoan people (maybe one repping clones’ rights)?


I could see Gambit just saying: “y’all is crazy,” grabbing the cat carrier, and peacing out.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: hairlesscat on September 04, 2021, 06:36:41 PM

I can’t imagine anything more tedious than that.


“If people liked it with Moira, what would happen if we did it with Wolvie?” Don’t we have enough iterations of Logan?


This is a little tedious too:
https://anchor.fm/cerebrocast/episodes/Episode-049-Remy-LeBeau-feat--Chris-Robinson-e16o8kh (https://anchor.fm/cerebrocast/episodes/Episode-049-Remy-LeBeau-feat--Chris-Robinson-e16o8kh)


It has some moments.


Maybe not a solo-solo. Remy’s at his best as a mentor or friend. He needs someone to play off of. My favorite parts of the past stories was Gambit/Ororo, Gambit/Courier, Gambit/Fence, Gambit/X-23, Gambit/Wolvie. Also Gambit/Quicksilver because that was great. Just a whole page of them slapping one another in the face.
Gambit has a million and one cool story arcs to choose from, and this guest chooses the Foxx one?! Go on somewhere with that nonsense!
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on September 06, 2021, 02:08:25 PM
Gambit has a million and one cool story arcs to choose from, and this guest chooses the Foxx one?! Go on somewhere with that nonsense!


LOL, that guy was so out of it, I think he might've been partaking of the aromatic herb during that interview.


The unbearable and super not-funny accent parts on behalf of the host aside, the idea of Gambit needing an author to come up with a Treatise on Remy LeBeau is food for thought.


Remy's motivations haven't been beyond being Rogue's loveseat (I decided he's no longer a coat rack, and he's moved past armchair, and has now graduated to loveseat/small sofa because he's so cosy). Otherwise, he's been showing up to a) steal stuff because he can or b) help friends when he can.


Anyone want to make a treatise on Gambit? A whole new world for Remy that moves beyond Guild/Rogue. What's his motivation? Who is his foil? Who is his buddy? What is his quest? What is the air speed velocity of an unladen swallow?


Comparing Gambit to Catwoman is apt. Before I fell in love with X-Men on Saturday morning there was Batman: The Animated Series after school. Loved Selina Kyle, I even named my cat Isis after her's on the show. I loved her motivation was stealing from rich people and corporations because they were destroying the environment and mean to animals. Remy needs a reason to put his skills to good use. Randomly showing up with a dumbass sidekick while wearing a beanie is not ideal.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Sparta on September 06, 2021, 04:12:23 PM

 Remy needs a reason to put his skills to good use. Randomly showing up with a dumbass sidekick while wearing a beanie is not ideal.


You mean the sidekick wearing the black & white horizontal stripes with a mask who's about to steal your quarter pounder?  Such stealth...
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on September 07, 2021, 01:11:59 PM

LOL, that guy was so out of it, I think he might've been partaking of the aromatic herb during that interview.


The unbearable and super not-funny accent parts on behalf of the host aside, the idea of Gambit needing an author to come up with a Treatise on Remy LeBeau is food for thought.


Remy's motivations haven't been beyond being Rogue's loveseat (I decided he's no longer a coat rack, and he's moved past armchair, and has now graduated to loveseat/small sofa because he's so cosy). Otherwise, he's been showing up to a) steal stuff because he can or b) help friends when he can.


Anyone want to make a treatise on Gambit? A whole new world for Remy that moves beyond Guild/Rogue. What's his motivation? Who is his foil? Who is his buddy? What is his quest? What is the air speed velocity of an unladen swallow?


Comparing Gambit to Catwoman is apt. Before I fell in love with X-Men on Saturday morning there was Batman: The Animated Series after school. Loved Selina Kyle, I even named my cat Isis after her's on the show. I loved her motivation was stealing from rich people and corporations because they were destroying the environment and mean to animals. Remy needs a reason to put his skills to good use. Randomly showing up with a dumbass sidekick while wearing a beanie is not ideal.


Thought we agreed to never talk about beanie-gate again... of was that just me? Clown pants, stupid beanie... helluva time for the cajun it was post-X-Factor.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on September 07, 2021, 03:26:56 PM
You mean the sidekick wearing the black & white horizontal stripes with a mask who's about to steal you quarter pounder?  Such stealth...




 ;D  i think i heard him quietly say: 'robble robble' to himself too.




Thought we agreed to never talk about beanie-gate again... of was that just me? Clown pants, stupid beanie... helluva time for the cajun it was post-X-Factor.




i didn't realize the beanie was verboten. me and marvel were on a break during that time period. i thought remy looked cute wearing it (and not much else) in the snow with joelle.  ;)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on September 08, 2021, 03:07:15 PM
Excalibur 23 is garbage. I loved completely The Deadpool: Black, White, and Blood #2. I wish that writer would do a Dedapool V Gambit vol 2. Really fun issue
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on September 08, 2021, 05:45:53 PM
Excalibur 23 is garbage.I loved completely The Deadpool: Black, White, and Blood #2. I wish that writer would do a Dedapool V Gambit vol 2. Really fun issue


I loved the Deadpool/Gambit team up and the other two stories were good, the Daredevil one bc Wade is so dumb, mind control barely works on him and the other for having a Dance Off and cool art.
 


The Gambit portion opens with DP falling out of a helicopter, cue record scratch. We pop back in time to see him blow a woman’s head off. Another record scratch. Further back now, a game of cards with the woman’s Boy Toy. Holy Shirt, it’s Gambit! Gambit goes to get the woman a drink, turns out he’s undercover, trying to recruit the woman for Xavier, a techno path with no scruples. Wade clues Gambit in, the woman is less than scrupulous, she’s a cannibal baby eater and so are all her monster friends. Wade and Gambit make a break for a helicopter, as DP has loaded the resort with explosives. But oops, DP forgot the detonator. Gambit charges DP and throws him out the window. Later he does the friendly thing and helps DP pick up his body parts. They ride off (on jet skis) into the sunset, DP telling Gambit he loves him. End.

Non spoilery spoilers:

Gambit in a Speedo.
Deadpool tries to speak French (moan cherry, lol).
Helicopter explosions.


I think Xavier knew Benji was a baby-eater. Krakoa has a back inventory of babies and he’s got to move them out fast.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on September 09, 2021, 03:00:33 PM
"Time to go-go gigolo!" Hilarious. Wished he was that and more ....
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: wantutosigh on September 09, 2021, 05:46:06 PM
Yawn


Edit: Sorry, this is what I thought in my head when reading the last few posts and without thinking, I posted it. I came back to delete it but couldn't figure out how.


I'm just not a fan of Deadpool and it all sounds very Deadpooly. At least it doesn't sound like it's mocking Gambit.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: hairlesscat on September 09, 2021, 07:39:54 PM
It is headcanon for me that Gambit was training that guy when Rogue found him. Or auditioning him for his International Guild.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on September 09, 2021, 09:38:31 PM
Yawn


Edit: Sorry, this is what I thought in my head when reading the last few posts and without thinking, I posted it. I came back to delete it but couldn't figure out how.


I'm just not a fan of Deadpool and it all sounds very Deadpooly. At least it doesn't sound like it's mocking Gambit.
I can delete if you want me to do so. We don't have a 'delete' per say, its called 'remove'.

However, don't feel you've said anything horrible,  you have not. Let me know or use the 'remove' feature. :)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on September 10, 2021, 07:56:15 AM
It is headcanon for me that Gambit was training that guy when Rogue found him. Or auditioning him for his International Guild.


I'm going to adopt this as well. It makes sense for his character to try to be a mentor to other young thieves, and otherwise invest his loyalty in people who do not deserve it.


"Time to go-go gigolo!" Hilarious. Wished he was that and more ....


All the nicknames...  :smitten:


Gambit was in character, had a personality, had an appropriate reason for being there, sticks to his moral compass in the face of DP's wanton murdering, but also shows trust/camaraderie with the guy.


Or you can tune into Excalibur where Gambit, literally and figuratively, is not playing with a full deck.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on September 13, 2021, 11:24:11 AM

I'm going to adopt this as well. It makes sense for his character to try to be a mentor to other young thieves, and otherwise invest his loyalty in people who do not deserve it.



All the nicknames...  :smitten:


Gambit was in character, had a personality, had an appropriate reason for being there, sticks to his moral compass in the face of DP's wanton murdering, but also shows trust/camaraderie with the guy.


Or you can tune into Excalibur where Gambit, literally and figuratively, is not playing with a full deck.


Seriously... Gambit has no use in this book. So many other characters not being used that be right at home in an X-Men book about magic and the occult.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on September 16, 2021, 05:03:02 PM
Excalibur finally ends with #26 on December.
Hopefully 2022 will be a good year for us.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on September 16, 2021, 06:20:23 PM
How the #$#% did it get to 26, but Hellions is getting canceled? Mind you Wells is moving onto Spider-Man - but still... what the #@[email protected]?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on September 16, 2021, 06:49:59 PM
Hellions is a fantastic story, but as the plot unfolded, it is obvious that it could not continue on as it was. Sinister's plot revealed, him losing his leverage over Kwannon, all in an extremely satisfying surprise reveal.


What is really disappointing is that you can tell a series is going to end by its cohesive plot and character beats that show progression and development. Part of what made this book special was that who cares about any of the cast, really? (Maybe Havok has fans, I don't know them.) Wells could do whatever he wanted. I'm terribly sad to see it over, but it's understandable.


Contrast that to Excalibur, which liked to produce plot points, but not in a cohesive way. Was this intended to create suspense? Intrigue? It was all very confusing from one book to the next because they don't flow into one another. Whenever a plot point was revealed, it was very 'meh, I waiting how long for this to come up again?' I hear that Howard and Hickman are into "world building" and "long form storytelling." World-building is not firing endless clues and hints and plot devices into the air like my neighbors with their semi-automatics on the Fourth of July... so many plot threads you need a spreadsheet to keep track of them all. You set parameters and your world operates in these parameters. Look at Harry Potter, we have a school teach us how the magical world works and then the story unfolds within this world. There are rules. Excalibur just seems like making s*** up as you go along. There are no rules, so there are no stakes. They don't seem to care about the characters or their history, just whatever it takes to move their "plot" along.


Tell you what though, stories are transportation, but the characters are the drivers. Stories are temporary, characters are forever. I prefer long-term investment over a craps table.


Real bummed over the solicits today. A 12 week hiatus to watch Wolverine get killed 10 times? And since he's damn hard to kill, you know it's going to be horribly disgusting. I can't think of anything more joyless than watching a character die repeatedly in an AU. I wouldn't wish that on Wolvie or any character (even Magneto. He should die once in a way befitting of his character - when his hair straightener falls into his bathtub with him in it). I pray Gambit has nothing at all to do with this X Lives/Death event. I hope Claremont has something in store for Remy and it relates to the "plans" hint that Howard dropped when Rogue was elected to the X-Men.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on September 17, 2021, 11:20:00 AM
Excalibur finally ends with #26 on December.
Hopefully 2022 will be a good year for us.
Too long of a run, but good that the pain is over.

edit: It's a Christmas/Hanukkah/Kwanzaa gift or whichever holiday that I have not mentioned works for us!!! Celebrate good times yah-hoo!!
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: wantutosigh on September 20, 2021, 10:35:49 PM
https://screenrant.com/xmen-mcu-gambit-channing-tatum-keep-good-reason/ (https://screenrant.com/xmen-mcu-gambit-channing-tatum-keep-good-reason/)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: andresa on September 21, 2021, 07:57:13 AM
Tatum was already too old to play Gambit seven years ago.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on September 21, 2021, 08:31:13 AM
Yeah, that's we call a fluff piece.


Tatum would be a great producer for the film at this point. Playing Gambit even a couple of years ago was a stretch due to his age and how I'd assume Fox would have used the franchise. The movie was already set in the past, so barring time travel - he was basically stuck in the 1980s with an actor rapidly approaching 40. That's even worse now. Gambit's not Wolverine or Cyclops - he shouldn't an elder member, at least not at the beginning.


I would think they'd shoot for a younger actor not unlike what they are currently doing across the MCU as they're replacing older actors and introducing new characters. Gambit starting out in his late 30s would change the character's function. We need to start him out younger than this - otherwise, he'll either be nothing like we know him or he'll have to heavily lean into the "cad" trope.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: wantutosigh on September 21, 2021, 01:08:47 PM
I tend to agree. Obviously Tatum could have always "played younger" but at this point I don't think it's possible. My only plus for him at this point is that I am extremely worried they are going to screw Gambit up. I have no faith in pretty much any of their projects right now. At least with Tatum he wouldn't let them screw him up royally. That's really my only plus for him. But yeah ideally Gambit should be played by a younger actor that can remain "young" for years to come. I just have no idea what they're going to do and my positivity for the mcu keeps waning.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on September 21, 2021, 01:13:35 PM
I would love Tatum as Gambit.


We had teen, old and female Loki this year. We can have different Gambits too.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on September 21, 2021, 03:31:32 PM
I would love Tatum as Gambit.


We had teen, old and female Loki this year. We can have different Gambits too.


We haven't seen a single mutant yet - and you're looking forward to time-variants?  ;D
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on September 21, 2021, 03:34:42 PM

We haven't seen a single mutant yet - and you're looking forward to time-variants?  ;D


Yep:) And a lot of them in Deadpool 3.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on September 21, 2021, 10:43:28 PM

Yep:) And a lot of them in Deadpool 3.


Oh, yeah we're going to get a time variant gag in this Deadpool movie.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on September 22, 2021, 02:40:25 AM
Not talking about gag. FOX Xavier is rumored for Strange 2. He will be a variant for shure. Deadpool and maybe Cable with Domino probably all will be back as variants too in DP3.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on September 22, 2021, 03:13:30 PM
I think that if Tatum Channing stays connected to a Gambit project as a producer that we'd be alright. He would look out for the character and still be apart of a project that is dear to him.

He's 41 now, thinking a bit too old for the part, would be best with a younger actor imo.
Still, his enthusiasm for Gambit is infectious.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on September 23, 2021, 12:34:18 PM
Not talking about gag. FOX Xavier is rumored for Strange 2. He will be a variant for shure. Deadpool and maybe Cable with Domino probably all will be back as variants too in DP3.


Well, all of those make sense. They already exist as part of the Fox movies as main characters. I could understand that. However, Tatum never played the part. IF they do pop up in Doctor Strange 2, I can almost guarantee it'll be fast, more like cameos. Using the known characters allows for quick inserts without exposition or inorganic name drops and explanations. Inserting Tatum as a variant Gambit would require too much explaining, in my opinion. Taylor Kitsch might make more sense - but his Gambit was a secondary character in a less than well-received spin-off movie. I seriously doubt we'll be seeing either actor as a time-variant in Dr. Strange.


Personally, I hope any inclusion from Fox's X-Men is limited. I'd really want to see a fresh start for the franchise - not a continuation of the mess that Dark Phoenix left behind.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on September 23, 2021, 03:34:02 PM
Personally, I hope any inclusion from Fox's X-Men is limited. I'd really want to see a fresh start for the franchise - not a continuation of the mess that Dark Phoenix left behind.
Agreed. That movie was pulled in ONE week, it was so bad and that was before COVID. 


I won't watch that film, I'm so done with the FOX version of X-Men. 


There needs to be imagines as it were for the characters.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: cajunpirate on October 04, 2021, 01:17:24 PM
Saw a Catwoman comment before, got me thinking it's too bad Marvel & DC don't do crossovers anymore. With Gambit & Rogue married and Batman & Catwoman married, would a been a good opportunity for a new 4-issue mini-series. Some entity needs the best thieves for a heist and recruits Gambit & Catwoman, while Batman & Rogue team-up and go after them. The banter and flirting between Selina & Remy would have been priceless.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on October 04, 2021, 06:17:04 PM
Saw a Catwoman comment before, got me thinking it's too bad Marvel & DC don't do crossovers anymore. With Gambit & Rogue married and Batman & Catwoman married, would a been a good opportunity for a new 4-issue mini-series. Some entity needs the best thieves for a heist and recruits Gambit & Catwoman, while Batman & Rogue team-up and go after them. The banter and flirting between Selina & Remy would have been priceless.


I at least would like to see them as two separate couples going into a trendy NYC restaurant, some double-booking reservation confusion, and then they get offered one of those community tables to which they begrudgingly agree at Selina and Remy’s insistence. Next thing: everyone’s eating family style and Rogue and Bruce are quietly dying inside.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Varia on October 04, 2021, 11:32:57 PM
The Batmobile might make for interesting conversation  ;D .
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on October 05, 2021, 07:38:27 AM
The Batmobile might make for interesting conversation  ;D .


OH YEAH! Didn't Gambit steal it??? The plot thickens.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on October 05, 2021, 10:05:07 AM

Played a little bit with Gambit 2012 covers.


https://twitter.com/i/status/1445388424345686022 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1445388424345686022)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on October 05, 2021, 11:37:09 AM

Played a little bit with Gambit 2012 covers.


https://twitter.com/i/status/1445388424345686022 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1445388424345686022)



You're a gentleman, and a scholar
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on October 05, 2021, 11:55:06 AM

Played a little bit with Gambit 2012 covers.


https://twitter.com/i/status/1445388424345686022 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1445388424345686022)

Very nice, looks great. Awesome job!


OH YEAH! Didn't Gambit steal it??? The plot thickens.

He did steal with Wolverine and I think Batman watched them take it too or it might have been Nightwing, I can't remember.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on October 06, 2021, 04:41:28 AM

You're a gentleman, and a scholar


I am a nerd ;D
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on October 06, 2021, 04:41:58 AM
Very nice, looks great. Awesome job!


Happy that you liked ;)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on October 06, 2021, 08:57:52 AM
I just afraid that after relaunch Howard will hold Gambit again so she can torture us more. I am sure that she hates him for some reason and is trolling Gambit fans on purpose.

Page from garbage excalibur 24
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FBA2LCvVQAoHAUq?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on October 06, 2021, 11:00:52 AM
Purp your animated covers brought me joy and it was so sweet of Mr Asmus to reply. Class act!


Onto Exc24… here was the pitch:


XWriter1: let’s give Gambit a bad guy!
XWriter2: how should we do that?
X1: how do you get Gambit on your bad side?
X2: uhm, threaten Rogue!
XWriter3: she’s in another book, you can’t use her.
X2: and we’re making all the X-men bisexual because “representation.”
X3: NOT bc you want to see Rogue kiss girls, right?
X1&X2: right right!
X3: how about you show the bad guy abusing individuals, those who can’t defend themselves? The impoverished, children? Someone who robs others of their agency?
X1: wouldn’t that make Gambit look, like, noble or something?
X2: can’t have that. I know! Let’s call him names and emasculate him!
X1: genius! I have never identified with Gambit until this moment!
XWriter3: I mean, just proving yourself to be a rich ashhole who abuses power is really enough to trigger Gambit, you don’t have to—
X1: let’s put him in a maid costume!
X2: haha awesome! What else do we know about Gambit?
X1: cats. Three cats.
X2: let’s give the bad guy DOGS! Three dogs!
X1: omg we’re gonna win a Pulitzer!
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on October 06, 2021, 01:17:39 PM
Purp your animated covers brought me joy and it was so sweet of Mr Asmus to reply. Class act!
Thank you! Happy to hear that you liked :)
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on October 07, 2021, 10:41:25 AM

Take a tip from Gambit--
https://twitter.com/i/status/1445872083527880712
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on October 08, 2021, 05:35:13 AM
Anson Mount who played Black Bolt:

"If you give me my choice of Marvel characters, I think Black Bolt would have been number two, second only to Gambit. Gambit is just one of the coolest characters in the Marvel universe and obviously I'm partial to him because he's the Southern superhero. He's definitely not one of the more powerful characters if you line them all up facing each other [laughs].

But his wit and his ability to overcome such a dark past and then the far future reaches that Marvel has done with him in terms of the scope of his possible futures, it's just amazing. I think it's a really rich territory and even if it's not with me, I hope Marvel does something with Gambit. Now, I'm probably too old so, you know, there's some people out there that have been calling about Reed Richards, but I don't know. My dance card's a little full right now and so is theirs."




edit to fix formatting.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on October 11, 2021, 02:38:08 PM
Anson Mount who played Black Bolt:

"If you give me my choice of Marvel characters, I think Black Bolt would have been number two, second only to Gambit. Gambit is just one of the coolest characters in the Marvel universe and obviously I'm partial to him because he's the Southern superhero. He's definitely not one of the more powerful characters if you line them all up facing each other [laughs].

But his wit and his ability to overcome such a dark past and then the far future reaches that Marvel has done with him in terms of the scope of his possible futures, it's just amazing. I think it's a really rich territory and even if it's not with me, I hope Marvel does something with Gambit. Now, I'm probably too old so, you know, there's some people out there that have been calling about Reed Richards, but I don't know. My dance card's a little full right now and so is theirs."




edit to fix formatting.


Holy @#@$, he's a nerd like us. That was a surface take on a character most people wouldn't be able to make in passing. He speaks like one of us...
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: purplevit on October 12, 2021, 07:06:51 AM

Holy @#@$, he's a nerd like us. That was a surface take on a character most people wouldn't be able to make in passing. He speaks like one of us...


He definitely is :gambit:
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: DonPriceTag on October 12, 2021, 07:57:31 AM
I just afraid that after relaunch Howard will hold Gambit again so she can torture us more. I am sure that she hates him for some reason and is trolling Gambit fans on purpose.

Page from garbage excalibur 24
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FBA2LCvVQAoHAUq?format=jpg&name=large)


Is it just me, or has Tini been having a lot of characters refer to Gambit as "stupid" during her run?
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on October 12, 2021, 10:08:58 AM

Is it just me, or has Tini been having a lot of characters refer to Gambit as "stupid" during her run?


Howard no write english good. She need thesaurus for more of describing-words.


Gambit's actions so far have been stupid. So, they ain't wrong. He got his pocket picked of Pop-Tarts by an old lady. He might actually be getting stupider the more time he spends in Fairy Land.


Jubilee too.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: NicoPony on October 15, 2021, 07:57:39 AM
Howard is working on Catwoman now. Y’know, cause she does such a good job writing thief capers and about married het couples.
Title: Re: Gambit Watch 2021
Post by: Nekobaghira on October 15, 2021, 07:48:12 PM
Howard is working on Catwoman now. Y’know, cause she does such a good job writing thief capers and about married het couples.


Bats is doomed and Catwoman ... I don't even know.

Plus - does that mean she's not at Marvel?