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Re: Gambit Watch 2021
« Reply #255 on: June 16, 2021, 02:36:39 PM »
It is apples to apples because it's a stupid idea for any established marvel superhero. It's used disparagingly for a chuckle for Gambit. But if used to joke about Rogue would set them off. Hypocrites and just a lame comment in general.


I have very little hope for Gambit going forward unfortunately. I'm even losing hope for him in the MCU.

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Re: Gambit Watch 2021
« Reply #256 on: June 16, 2021, 02:55:47 PM »
It is apples to apples because it's a stupid idea for any established marvel superhero. It's used disparagingly for a chuckle for Gambit. But if used to joke about Rogue would set them off. Hypocrites and just a lame comment in general.


I have very little hope for Gambit going forward unfortunately. I'm even losing hope for him in the MCU.


I agree with you about the hypocrisy and wonder about the productivity of this particular meeting in the X-Office. I won't talk further about the part I disagree with.  ;D   And it wasn't Tini who made the comment, it was whoever the interviewee was (I forget and am too lazy to look him up).


Speaking of outrageous things done to male characters, we can at least be glad Gambit is not Jamie Braddock. What has been seen cannot be unseen.

Congrats to the Braddock family, I guess.



Overall, I like the new concepts in the X-Books. That's what makes it so disappointing Gambit doesn't get to participate. Can't even get a Pint-Sized X-Men.

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Re: Gambit Watch 2021
« Reply #257 on: June 16, 2021, 03:38:23 PM »
My bad on getting who said what wrong. I should look it up too but in the grand scheme of things, bleh.

My general thought is ... somebody else should handle Gambit. Not a person who doesn't get him.
As for writers ... writing for themselves.  Isn't that fanfic? I think it is because they certainly don't support continuity.


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Re: Gambit Watch 2021
« Reply #258 on: June 16, 2021, 03:53:12 PM »
My bad on getting who said what wrong. I should look it up too but in the grand scheme of things, bleh.

My general thought is ... somebody else should handle Gambit. Not a person who doesn't get him.
As for writers ... writing for themselves.  Isn't that fanfic? I think it is because they certainly don't support continuity.


Some of it is the kind of AO3-tagged fanfic you're gonna want to filter OUT of your search terms.  ;D


No one's gonna jump on you re: wokeness. Not here anyway. C'mon. There's like five Gambit fans left. And right now, we all need emotional support. So, group hug everyone.

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Re: Gambit Watch 2021
« Reply #259 on: June 16, 2021, 03:53:25 PM »
It is apples to apples because it's a stupid idea for any established marvel superhero. It's used disparagingly for a chuckle for Gambit. But if used to joke about Rogue would set them off. Hypocrites and just a lame comment in general.


I have very little hope for Gambit going forward unfortunately. I'm even losing hope for him in the MCU.




Watch these mofos trip over themselves to personally butcher his character at the mention of a live-action project. Thing is, if it's still a possibility - then they'd know before us. Tini wanting to hold onto him might be a self-preservation tactic. Look at her line-up: Braddock (not Psylocke), Rictor, Meagan, Jubilee. I'd argue the name "Psylocke" is a selling point - not Betsy Braddock. The look that people recognize is with Hellions (but I can easily say that "Kwannon" isn't popular either, but way less known than "Betsy"). Marvel split one character into two. Gambit is legit her biggest name and he's an unutilized background character.


I can't believe we were just a no/yes away from him getting free of her... But hey, he might have ended up in X-Men as an off-panel househusband. So, perhaps we were spared of that.
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Re: Gambit Watch 2021
« Reply #260 on: June 17, 2021, 10:02:20 AM »
Watch these mofos trip over themselves to personally butcher his character at the mention of a live-action project.


Sad, but true. CBR has published several articles insisting Gambit doesn’t deserve a solo, holding that the failed live-action with Tatum is proof of Gambit’s lack of merit. The last one was laughable, bc they suggest Forge and Cable both would be better choices. Proving that people don’t want anything different, just more of the same Militant Remorseless Guys With Guns ‘you hurt my buddy/wife/daughter/dog now I’m gonna get you’ revenge-porn movies. But I guess you have people believing the Earth is flat, too. The anti-Remy cliques having to go out of their way to discredit something as bad is almost a compliment to his unwavering mass appeal. Or that’s gonna be my positive spin on it.


I am gonna be the Live to Laugh Gambit and not the Sit on Roof and Sulk Gambit.


Tini wanting to hold onto him might be a self-preservation tactic. Look at her line-up: Braddock (not Psylocke), Rictor, Meagan, Jubilee. I'd argue the name "Psylocke" is a selling point - not Betsy Braddock. The look that people recognize is with Hellions (but I can easily say that "Kwannon" isn't popular either, but way less known than "Betsy"). Marvel split one character into two. Gambit is legit her biggest name and he's an unutilized background character.


For sure. Hellions uses fewer big names, has a smaller following, and yet despite not having a cast of Big Names or even likeable characters, has somehow made me care about them anyway. Excalibur has done the opposite, and made characters people love into …I don’t even know what. Just a bunch of randos sitting around complaining about s*** and being mean to each other for no reason. It’s like Twitter became a comic book. Maybe Pete Wisdom can join the lineup and add even more grouchiness, he’d fit right in.

It’s gonna get a shake up, it has to. It’s passed 20 issues, so we’re due for a reset. C’mon, gotta believe we’re in the home stretch, and something new will happen after September’s event.
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Re: Gambit Watch 2021
« Reply #261 on: June 17, 2021, 07:47:41 PM »
Hellions is a gem of a book. I wish I jumped on at the beginning. Loving it now, though... Even with clown Sinister, who's actually pretty funny... Not Sinister, but still very entertaining.


Got no evidence bit Wells seems the type of writer that would use Gambit very well. But despite his misuse, I think Gambit is still protected to a point. They can humiliate the character and annoy us all they like but I think they'll only go so far - as we saw in Deadpool V Gambit. As bad of a story as it was, it could have been worse.
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Re: Gambit Watch 2021
« Reply #262 on: June 18, 2021, 12:11:00 PM »
Hellions is a gem of a book. I wish I jumped on at the beginning. Loving it now, though... Even with clown Sinister, who's actually pretty funny... Not Sinister, but still very entertaining.


Got no evidence bit Wells seems the type of writer that would use Gambit very well. But despite his misuse, I think Gambit is still protected to a point. They can humiliate the character and annoy us all they like but I think they'll only go so far - as we saw in Deadpool V Gambit. As bad of a story as it was, it could have been worse.


Sinister’s narcissism has reached psychological disorder levels. He wouldn’t want to deprive the world of every errant thought that passes through his head. Someone asked why he’d be scared to have Nanny stab him with a broken bottle, since he’d just heal. Isn’t it obvious? He doesn’t want her to ruin his outfit.


Every issue makes me laugh at least once, and I am easily won over by funny people. The line about Greycrow being evil, but someone forgot to tell his hair…  ;D  [size=78%]He does have Pantene-commercial level hair. I can see why Kwannon is into it. [/size]


Would love to see Wells take on Gambit, but I thought he was in the Gambit-hate camp (not that it should matter). If he can make freaking Nanny the Queen of the Gala, he’s practically spinning straw into gold at this point. Give the man another book. The people who like Hellions also seem to like X-Factor, so I might go back and try that too. Polaris and Akihiro are enough of a draw. With that book ending, there’s a bunch of now homeless characters, and it seems like Tini is trying to do something with Rachel. So just let her have at it and give us a team shake-up. Put Gambit on a team with Akihiro, I want that in the worst way.


Hopeful this next arc with these magician people is the last, that Betsy “proves” she’s a worthy Cap Britain and puts this to bed. If she can make Rictor king of the Druids in two pages, surely she can wrap up her failing flailing Queen Betsy storyline in three issues.

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Re: Gambit Watch 2021
« Reply #263 on: June 19, 2021, 10:50:08 PM »
Hopeful this next arc with these magician people is the last, that Betsy “proves” she’s a worthy Cap Britain and puts this to bed. If she can make Rictor king of the Druids in two pages, surely she can wrap up her failing flailing Queen Betsy storyline in three issues.


I've got no clue of what you're talking about.  ;D
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Re: Gambit Watch 2021
« Reply #264 on: June 20, 2021, 09:24:00 AM »

I've got no clue of what you're talking about.  ;D


Only Tini knows. At least here’s hoping.

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Re: Gambit Watch 2021
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Re: Gambit Watch 2021
« Reply #266 on: June 22, 2021, 01:25:29 AM »
A few thoughts...

To start, some of you may be wondering what the heck an Iceman fan is doing here. 'Did he get lost, the poor thing?'

Lets see: Back in the 90's(oh, how I miss the comics of that era, faults and all) Iceman, Gambit and Wolverine were my top-three favorites(with Remy and Logan regularly duking it out for 2nd place). My interest in Gambit sadly waned over the years due almost entirely to his near-constant mishandling by Marvel. I reconnected with my Gambit interest after Neko joined up with my forum and decided to come check out her place.

'Wait, you have your own forum, wtf are you doing here, man? You a narc? NARC! ' Uhh, my forum is largely inactive at the moment. I have had some new members join in recent months but their only interest seemed to be in what I was posting about Iceman(specifically the somewhat-secret history of how a fan-theory from the 70's about Iceman being an analogue to the Phoenix called 'the Dragon' made it's way surreptitiously into the cannon of the comics along with my advanced theories about what the consequences have been and will be for both the character and the larger Marvel Universe.) They basically made a few posts and PM's along the lines of 'I am interested in reading more' without contributing anything more to the forum. Considering I had protracted conversations with one of them at CBR before they joined ABP it was pretty frustrating. I've also been battling some problems with carpal tunnel syndrome off-and-on for months, affecting my dominate hand/arm and haven't really felt like posting on anything more than a sporadic basis, much less working intensely on something that seemed to be the only draw for certain members.

On 'wokeness'. Don't get me started. They've gone beyond woke. I started using the word 'sanitizing' to describe what they are doing to our society and everything in it they view as in any way 'problematic'.  I noted someone in the thread used the term to describe what has been done to Gambit and it's appropriate. I saw a news story the other day about a major university that is trying to rename everything on it's campus that is in any way derived from whiteness, maleness, straightness and cis-genderedness. We are rapidly going from having to use the right pronouns to not being allowed pronouns or gendered terms at all. I have no idea where this is headed except we will probably all eventually be wearing burqas and making pleasing hums at each other to avoid anyone seeing or hearing something that might offend them.

I'm not reading the current X-Books at all except for X-Men Legends. Most of the current stuff feels like either an alternate timeline/universe(some of you know my theories) trying to pass itself off as the real thing or bad fanfic, or some combination of both.

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Re: Gambit Watch 2021
« Reply #267 on: June 22, 2021, 07:45:20 AM »
https://screenrant.com/guardians-galaxy-2-yondu-mary-poppins-xmen-gambit/

Interesting connection they make here.



I think about this umbrella scene a lot, as the perfect example of out-of-the-box creative use of Gambit’s powers.

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Re: Gambit Watch 2021
« Reply #268 on: June 22, 2021, 02:47:06 PM »
Glad to see you post Icefanatic. You are always welcome here. And my apologies for not visiting your forum more often. ABP is friendly and that is a good thing even if people are slow to post. People are slow to post here too.

But I'm not visiting forums but this one and sometimes I forget to look in on this place and that is due to lack of good Gambit content (comic books, not poster comments.)

I don't even bother with CBR anymore. I'm done with certain fans, especially the nastier fans of a certain character I am not a fan of, the entitlement is too much for me to put up with. I get tired of people assuming things I have NOT said. Hey, read what was stated and stop projecting.

I agree with your wokeness paragraph, that I don't know where its going either, why its not good to be any of those adjectives.

It's why I mention fanfic a few pages back for Gambit content and now its completely ruined via a certain fandom who only care about half the relationship. Some of the comments stated to one our posters who writes is redic via a group who don't know when to stop.

I've totally left fanfic for Xmen. Though, I think people are asses in all fandoms, I'd rather read stuff with silly dragon or TV stuff that I think is interesting.


Ultimate Xmen 13-14 written by Chuck Austen - do you remember why he did the fill in for the book, because the writer of Ultimate Xmen didn't like Gambit. Stated as much in interviews and all of that, this is the stuff that really beats on a fanbase. 

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Re: Gambit Watch 2021
« Reply #269 on: June 22, 2021, 07:26:10 PM »
A few thoughts...
To start, some of you may be wondering what the heck an Iceman fan is doing here. 'Did he get lost, the poor thing?'


You have to answer two questions first: who is your favorite X-Man and why is it Gambit?
Ultimate Xmen 13-14 written by Chuck Austen - do you remember why he did the fill in for the book, because the writer of Ultimate Xmen didn't like Gambit. Stated as much in interviews and all of that, this is the stuff that really beats on a fanbase. 



I do feel beat up, but not beaten. We will persevere in the face of adversity. Abandon us in a desolate arctic wasteland to die, we come back and are like: Hey, guys! Remember us? You thought you got rid of us, but naaaah! What’s for dinner? When is the next solo coming out?


Ppl using “wokeness” to bully or shame others is counterproductive to the movement espoused. We’re all of us learning to be better people and not everyone fully knows the ins and outs of every hot button topic. Nothing is going to turn someone away from a cause faster than by treating people with meanness.


Feeling like “wokeness” been pushed on you, like drinking from a firehouse of PC culture, is understandable. I know I feel overwhelmed. But a massive overcorrection is needed to remedy issues that have been long ignored in regards to diversity and inclusion. I’m sure for people who have been waiting for change for so long and might have given up, it seems things are moving too slow. My feeling overwhelmed is small potatoes compared to other people who’ve long been marginalized.


Gambit got sanitized for sure, to be suitable as a doting husband. Every bad romance story ever written features an impossibly wonderful woman who might have one flaw (I’m so clumsy, teehee!), and a tragic train wreck of a man who is magically cured with the love of said woman. Also sometimes a baby is involved and the man might sparkle in the sunlight. That has nothing to do with wokeness, that’s just pandering. Gambit and Rogue don’t even have a relationship, and if you’re waiting to see it realized on panel, then you’ve been baited.


Pandering and baiting are the problems, and have been for ages. Like by insinuating a throuple involving Wolverine/Cyclops/Jean with zero considerations for character growth and history, and then not bothering to address the complexities of a polyamorous relationship is pandering. If they’re trying to sell it as recognition of a kind of relationship outside of the heteronormative, then they are doing it wrong. Right now it comes across as some straight dude’s idea he had about Logan and Scott making Jean the Eiffel Tower. Then they bait a queer audience with the insinuation of a lesbian relationship, then make the audience pay for 20 issues worth of comics just to see them dance together. Or give the gay audience a book and immediately cancel it after getting recognized for their attempt. Then again, if you’re waiting for that all-female girl power team or for a POC to have a major role in the X-books, well you can have that…but only kinda because the same five white dudes (plus Emma Frost) are still headlining all the comics and calling all the shots. All attempts so far at being ”woke”, just more pandering and baiting, is worse when you do it under the guise of being inclusive. Lies, I tell you! it’s all lies!


So, guess I’m saying as a Gambit fan, I can empathize with the frustration about the pandering and the baiting. That is Excalibur’s MO.


Glad to see you post Icefanatic. You are always welcome here. And my apologies for not visiting your forum more often. ABP is friendly and that is a good thing even if people are slow to post. People are slow to post here too.


You could rename the site Rogue’s Husband Guild and get a ton more members!!  ;D ;)


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