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Re: Gambit 2024
« Reply #615 on: May 27, 2024, 12:08:31 PM »
For some reason, I thought Rogue's eyes were green. I didn't notice the color in the episode I watched. Maybe she touched someone with brown eyes? No clue.

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« Reply #616 on: May 27, 2024, 12:25:54 PM »
By the way, why are Rogue's eyes brown in this show. I can't wrap my head around that. Sometimes I'm like, "I guess they're kind of green" but then I'm like, " no her eyes are brown". They can't even get Rogue's eye color right in this series. Maybe that's a sign. Rogue's just never going to be quite right in this.


It bothered me too. I agree, she’s all wrong in this.

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« Reply #617 on: May 27, 2024, 04:55:34 PM »
I would have sworn her eyes were greener. I think they tried to go with a dark type of moss green. Her TAS eyes are more bottle green.
In general, I don't like that her eyes are bigger. It makes it look younger. Rogue's features in TAS were of a young woman at most 25 and she's about three or four years older. A lot of designs have improved a lot (Gambit and Storm look much younger and I love that), but Rogue's not one of those. Honestly, do they hate Rogue?
ETA: her eyebrows are also the same color as her hair. For the record, thin eyebrows were a thing in the 90s. Her 97 look is too modern.
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Re: Gambit 2024
« Reply #618 on: May 27, 2024, 05:48:07 PM »
That side by side shows you how much better Rogue's design used to be. I swear there are shots where her eyes are straight up brown. Also she now has these thick black eyebrows. I really hate her design in this show.

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« Reply #619 on: May 27, 2024, 06:46:54 PM »
Too many current artists are influenced by Anime style, even in comics. This implies a more "youthful" look. I don't mind when it's in anime or when the cartoon is for kids, but Rogue is meant to be an adult, not a teen. The scene where she's been painted by Magneto seems like she's a teen because of her design. She's also acting like a teen herself.

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« Reply #620 on: May 27, 2024, 07:05:27 PM »
I dislike Rogue's design too. Hadn't noticed the thick black eyebrows but now I can't unsee it. Her eyes look brown most of the time and I hate the way her hair is a mess of brown and white. Oh, she is a teenager in that seen for sure.

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« Reply #621 on: May 28, 2024, 12:29:58 AM »
Found this video talking about Gambit in episode 5. It was a good commentary despite the guy talks too much. And thing I didn't notice or didn't really pay attention to:

Magneto being manipulative. Video mentions that Magneto was using his political needs to make Rogue go back to him. And when she told Gambit that she joined the X-Men for this reason ("I wanted to make the world a better place"), you know Magneto knew well how to manipulate her. How is this man the writers' pet? Arghh, just arggh... Makes you wonder how their relationship was in first place when she was about ten years younger.


It's kinda sad that Gambit didn't tell her that. There is no way he didn't realise. Boy really knew the odds that, no matter what he said, she wouldn't stay but would come back nevertheless.


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« Reply #622 on: May 28, 2024, 09:06:40 AM »
Too many current artists are influenced by Anime style, even in comics. This implies a more "youthful" look. I don't mind when it's in anime or when the cartoon is for kids, but Rogue is meant to be an adult, not a teen. The scene where she's been painted by Magneto seems like she's a teen because of her design. She's also acting like a teen herself.


Yeah like blushing and acting shy when posing for a painting, while also implying oral sex by both of them?
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« Reply #623 on: May 28, 2024, 09:31:57 AM »
I am genuinely surprised, but shouldn't be, that there is some real Rogue resentment in here. I guess it makes sense, if, her being the writers (at large) favorite, Gambit has either been written as her doormat or her neutered arm piece for 15-20 years. I really don't think Gambit came off in any way bad in this series. Even when they were having Magneto flex rank or power on him, intentional or not, it made him look bad, and Gambit, good. However, as a Rogue fan (secondary to Remy), and a ride and die Romy fan, I feel Rogue came off TERRIBLE in this series. And now that you all point oiut her facial appearance was meant to appear younger, cuter more naive, it is understandable why they removed her larger buttocks and breasts....they want her infantilized, which is just even creepier given they already had a pro-grooming Magneto.But Rogue came across in this series as:


Naive
Easily manipulated
Dishonest
Hypocritical
Cruel
Self righteous
Emotional/unhinged
Belligerent
Projecting and avoiding any self blame/recognition
HOMICIDAL
Tyrannical
and generally betraying everything she professes to believe in or anyone she claimed to love....all for some old dude who sexually groomed her because it's implied she either loves him (ugh) or, worse, just because he can lay pipe.


If anything is ruined by this show it isn't Romy, and it sure isn't Gambit. It's Rogue, who they basically made out to be a villain imo simply because they always wrote her to be at the whim or the convenient plot piece subject to Magneto's motivations.

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Re: Gambit 2024
« Reply #624 on: May 28, 2024, 11:16:23 AM »
And they have Magneto come in now that Xavier is gone and left everything to him(so stupid) and one of his first orders of business is to push up on Rogue creating disharmony on the team for his own satisfaction. And I find it hard to believe there isn't anyone else on the team that has a problem with this. I certainly  don't see them teasing Gambit about it without taking their own issues with it.


I never thought about it but Rogue is behaving like a teenager in this show. Emotional, impulsive, reactionary, gullible, and naive. This Rogneto stuff is just bad from all angles. And to screw up a character like Rogue like this is really terrible. I'm surprised more haven't complained. If they don't fix things as time goes on I'm sure more will start to see it.
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Re: Gambit 2024
« Reply #625 on: May 28, 2024, 01:56:51 PM »
I am genuinely surprised, but shouldn't be, that there is some real Rogue resentment in here. I guess it makes sense, if, her being the writers (at large) favorite, Gambit has either been written as her doormat or her neutered arm piece for 15-20 years. I really don't think Gambit came off in any way bad in this series. Even when they were having Magneto flex rank or power on him, intentional or not, it made him look bad, and Gambit, good. However, as a Rogue fan (secondary to Remy), and a ride and die Romy fan, I feel Rogue came off TERRIBLE in this series. And now that you all point oiut her facial appearance was meant to appear younger, cuter more naive, it is understandable why they removed her larger buttocks and breasts....they want her infantilized, which is just even creepier given they already had a pro-grooming Magneto.But Rogue came across in this series as:


Naive
Easily manipulated
Dishonest
Hypocritical
Cruel
Self righteous
Emotional/unhinged
Belligerent
Projecting and avoiding any self blame/recognition
HOMICIDAL
Tyrannical
and generally betraying everything she professes to believe in or anyone she claimed to love....all for some old dude who sexually groomed her because it's implied she either loves him (ugh) or, worse, just because he can lay pipe.


If anything is ruined by this show it isn't Romy, and it sure isn't Gambit. It's Rogue, who they basically made out to be a villain imo simply because they always wrote her to be at the whim or the convenient plot piece subject to Magneto's motivations.


Truth be told mate, i am surprised your are surprised because you’ve outlined it all. This is exactly what I was saying previously and Remydat, Neko and others have been saying about the comics for years. I think you even got the timeline right.


I would say at least since Messiah Complex in 2007, probably earlier (Deathbit etc) Romy has been completely unbalanced because the writers love Rogue and hate Gambit. I think you can now make a legitimate case that leaving him in Antartica was ‘nice Rogue’. Since then what has Gambit got out of the relationship…


Xmen 97 feels like a continuation of the latest R&G mini to me or is just replicating x men legacy. My stand by my comments that the best thing in this show would be for Gambit to take a break Death or no Death.


My bugbear isn’t Romy, we all grew up on that to a degree it’s that Gambit has to love modern Rogue no matter what despite her cruelty and isn’t allowed to move on.


Our Gambit from UXM 276-277 would just cut his losses.

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Re: Gambit 2024
« Reply #626 on: May 28, 2024, 02:57:06 PM »

Truth be told mate, i am surprised your are surprised because you’ve outlined it all. This is exactly what I was saying previously and Remydat, Neko and others have been saying about the comics for years. I think you even got the timeline right.


I would say at least since Messiah Complex in 2007, probably earlier (Deathbit etc) Romy has been completely unbalanced because the writers love Rogue and hate Gambit. I think you can now make a legitimate case that leaving him in Antartica was ‘nice Rogue’. Since then what has Gambit got out of the relationship…


Xmen 97 feels like a continuation of the latest R&G mini to me or is just replicating x men legacy. My stand by my comments that the best thing in this show would be for Gambit to take a break Death or no Death.


My bugbear isn’t Romy, we all grew up on that to a degree it’s that Gambit has to love modern Rogue no matter what despite her cruelty and isn’t allowed to move on.


Our Gambit from UXM 276-277 would just cut his losses.


I think the reason I can is because I don't read the comics anymore because they're such trash. I only reread stuff I enjoyed from the 80's-late 90's, so in a way, I'm perpetually stuck in a time when Gambit was the brass pair, and Rogue the heart on her sleeve rough and tumble girl we loved. Not the modern empowered girl boss b***h who treats her husband like crap, and him a lovesick, emasculated affirmation source, when he's not getting KO'ed, rescued or berated. Sometime two of those three at once.
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Re: Gambit 2024
« Reply #627 on: May 28, 2024, 03:30:42 PM »
they want her infantilized, which is just even creepier given they already had a pro-grooming Magneto.But Rogue came across in this series as
Infantilization of women has been a problem in comics for the past 10 years and so, caused by people whose writing talents are very limited. They mistake being strong with "girlbossing" and characters end up acting like they're throwing a tantrum or act villainous rather than use their strength and talents and be in control.

Same way, the removal of sexual appeal causes a removal of sexuality, unless the character is too obvious with how they use it.
In case of Rogue, this is truly appalling because her flirty nature and her showing off her body is how she can express herself sexually despite her own limitations. Like, during the picnic date, she's not dressed like that to be a tease, but rather as a "I want  you to see me" kinda of way, something she can control. When she visits Carol in the hospital in TAS, she's not covered up like she always does, but rather goes like she would normally dress, as an adult woman who likes her own body. She's not afraid of showing herself, this is development of her character during an important highlight of how she evolved.

To be fair, the men go through similar problem as many shame healthy male sexuality unless they're eye candy. It's ok for women to see Gambit's naked body, but it's wrong for men to see Rogue's curves. Both are flirty, there is nothing wrong with that, as long as no one forces themselves into other people, which has never happened in TAS or recent comics.


And, the infamous crop top scene has a different connotation because you see many articles saying it was eye candy for the gays, but when you look at how he's characterized there, the implication is that he's a bit of a twink, which is odd considering he's a big dude and closer to 30 than to 20. Like Rogue, he dresses and acts like an adult, not a teen.

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Re: Gambit 2024
« Reply #628 on: May 28, 2024, 04:23:46 PM »
My bugbear isn’t Romy, we all grew up on that to a degree it’s that Gambit has to love modern Rogue no matter what despite her cruelty and isn’t allowed to move on.
I hate he has to be the one forgiving all the time. Even related to the X-men, they accepted Magneto too quick compared to how they mistrusted him when Bishop first arrived, even Rogue.

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« Reply #629 on: May 28, 2024, 04:57:54 PM »

Yeah like blushing and acting shy when posing for a painting, while also implying oral sex by both of them?
The whole thing wouldn't be so creepy if they weren't portrayed so childish compared with Magneto, who despite looking like their grandpa, acted childish as well. The coffee scene ("new boss beat you to the pot") is the authors hinting "hey, gumbo, he was your girl's first, not you, isn't this funny?".


Here is when we know he developed a new mutant power: the power of being emotionally mature, bc I know real people who would have thrown the mug to Magneto and be done with it. Childish? Sure, but totally deserved.